Be very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines
69Filipino Women
Filipino women are typically attractrive to most foreign men and are therefore the first choice when it comes to asian-dating. Filipinas are generally admired for their unusual beauties and cunning. They're known for their incomparable hospitality and very convincing facial expressions. Lots of foreigners have been searching for love in Asia and Philippines is where they usually end up. Although Philippines is among the best countries in Asia to search for love, beware foreigners especially Americans that not all Filipinas are sincere lovers.
Take extreme cautions when finding a Filipina girlfriend(For American Men)
No one can ever deny the unnatural beauties that Filipinas possess. It's why American men do pay visits in the Philippines to have a taste of Pinays(short term for Filipinas). Pinays have a reputation of accepting and loving an individual no matter what type of person he is, or where he's from. However, these beauties may have dark and greedy personalities. Most pinays will think of any United States' resident having lots of money and therefore worth giving their bodies and flesh to. Pinays' most common goal is to make Americans fall in love with them and have the men marry and bring them to the United States for good, where they will settle down and enjoy the good life that the country offers. When they succeed, they will continue to stick with their men for a little longer until they obtain their alien registration card(green card). Upon obtaining this precious green card, they will abandon their men and look for the ones they really like. Infuriating huh? Due to this, Pinays can be considered to be opportunistics, who use their wits to continuously take advantage of the men who really believe they're not being loved for their money.
American men must thoroughly learn how to sense deception from these type of women as soon as they can to avoid making a really big mistake and not to mention getting their hearts broken so badly. It would seem that this case often happens to Americans who are sent to the Philippines intentionally by the U.S. president, like military personnels.
We men should be wise when it comes to finding mates. We can't always look at the outside beauty alone. We have to know if the women that we love do love us the same way. We're nearly in the 22nd century now. In our current time, the smartest and the fastest always wins. The stupid and the slowest simply loses and may become prey for a predator. We men shouldn't be the preys, and women have no rights to be the predators. Good luck!
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I am sorry but i have to disagree, my mom is Filipina and my dad is Lebanese and this doesn't apply. I guess this applies to some women but stereotyping a nation's women and making them all fall under one category is unfair. We all have our greedy natures (but the greed differs from one anotehr) but describing a whole sect to be so is kinda overreactiong. Not only Filipino women but this also apply to men and women as well. From where i come from some men (to be fair ) are opportunistic as well. People have various natures and so do women. I do respect your point of view all in all but i tend to disagree in categorizing all Filipino women/ women in general under one subcategory. I hope you don't get offended or anything though.
Regards to You and everyone here on hubpages.
Uriel
Wow, thanks Uriel for coming into Pinay's defense. I agree, there should be no stereotyping. But, on the other hand, thought I'm not siding on Ultra Magnus on this, I too have seen our (Filipinas) negative traits. Though it shames me to admit it, there are a lot of Filipinas who marry foreigners because they only see the money. In fairness to Ultra Magnus, he did say that 'not all Filipinas are sincere lovers'. So, in his own words, he is not saying that all Filipinas are like that but there are Filipinas who are like that.
Greetings! Dropped by to defend Filipinas.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-Some-Foreigners-Prefer
Heres my hub about Filipinas hehehe... try reading it hehehe..
You are here too wakikik emievil... :)
Yeah I agree that some of the Filipina women are opportunistics but not all. And not all Filipina women wants to live in the US or in the foreign land where their husbands live when infact my boss resides in the Philippines after marrying my close friend.
I agree with the person who wrote this note, I work in a hospital and I relate with many Filipino ladys who came to this country by marrying an American and I have seen how they have lovers in the workplace,They say they do because they never married for lone just for the chance to come to this country .I try to understand that they seek the opportunity to improve in their lives. The only thing left to wish luck to all but especially to the Americans looking for love in the Philippines....
Hey there, great hub. I agree that most Filipina girls you meet on online dating sites are bad news. I wrote a hub on this (I am an American and I married a Filipina ... been living in the Philippines for two years now). Check out my hub on marrying a filipina girl, I list my experience and those of many guys and girls I know. http://hubpages.com/hub/Marrying-a-Philippines-Gir
I'm not trying to categorize but including my wife and say.....4 out of 6 of her friends they claim that all Pinays think that white guys come from the USA. I'm like what?? "All Pinays" ??? U just made yourself and your entire race sound really stupid. Where in the hell did they get their education from on white people, television? Ching Chong Ping Pong all asian people are Chinese. Yeah I thought that way when I was 7 years old. Then I learned there is so many asian countries, and so many different languages. I am Canadian.
That simply means I know exactly where white people from from, and it's not the USA for damn sure.
It sure as hell isn't Canada either.
I even showed my passport to one of them, cuz she had hers out she just renewed it, and I showed my picture and she read "Ohh Canada.." and she sounded interested, but then she said "Sorry I dont speak American" WOW!
Supposedly she had a college education too.
Read a map! Canada is here, USA is there. We both speak a langauge called "English" not American. We both came from europe, conquered our lands and stole them from the native Indians.
I would like to ad my little piece of mind. I went over to the Filipines, 6 times, in 1 year.
The first woman i met on line, we emailed each other for a year. When, i finally met her, & her family, they were so nice to me, but she was desperate to come to America1! (bad sign) Also, a lot of the women are married still, cas they can not afford a divorce.
I probably met, like at least 10 different woman. went out with like 5, or six of them.
Finally, i decided to marry, what i thought was the best woman of all of them. By the time she arrived in America, she got pregnent with in a week. Yhe day she found out, was the day she changed. In 2 years she has never cleaned the house, i remodeled for her. She did not speak to me for almost 2 years! She tried to smother the baby at 4 monthes. She never speaks a word of english, except to her social worker. Talks behind my back all the time. Told her co-workers, she pays for everything, & had never contribute a dime for anything. I could go on, & on!
First thing to do when they get to the states, is to conquer marriage., Second, is to get pregnet, 3rd is to try to file abuse, 4th, is try to kill you! (excuse my spelling)
The last 2 years have been hell for me. I had to inform the uscis, & ICE. Hire 2 lawyers, blah-blah-blah!
If u r going to marry a Filipino, make sure u do not bring them to America! Stay in the Filipines! You will be treated with the up most respect! Like i said earlier, this is only half of the nightmare. The funny thing about it all is , she was the shyish., went to church, cleaned her house, never asked for money, & etc. In 2 years, living in America, i think we had sex 12 times! Ive had better tenents, as a landlord. well this is just some of the horror!, so do be careful!!!
If you think you met a genuine person, sincere, thoughtful, caring, and understanding and you met her on the internet, you are dead wrong. Just think about it.
The internet is not used by honest, sincere, thoughtful, people for the most part simply because they are aware that the internet offers seemingly limitless opportunity for people to be themselves.
It's an open door for doing things anonymously, it offers the safety and freedom from justice, from prosicution, and judegment.
In a world where adequate opportunity is next to none and poverty is prevalent what would you do, to survive,to successfully obtain comfort and physical pleasure or even safety?
All over the world there are those that seek an opportunity. Here in the United States where I am from I often hear guys telling of what club to belong to, what night time establishment is full of lonely rich girls to prey upon. Yes, there are wealthy women here that do the exact same thing as men. They use their money to capture a young man, a strong man or any man in many cases. They are called "toy boys".
Read filipino history first, take time to know a little about the people you wish to surround yourself with, vist,and marry. In other words, use your brain.
Question yourself. Are you the best you can be? Have you acheived the things you really wany in life or even truly ever worked for it? Are you honorable, decent, caring, faithful? In other words, do you possess the qualities, personality, character you are looking for in others?
Its not just because filipinas by nature or because of cultural infuence that they are hospitable, accepting, loving, caring. Its because They know this is what you are looking for. Its what you want to believe and they know it and so its a sales tactic. Who on earth would not like to have been born rich, marry rich, live in comfort and security?
Do you know yourself well enough so that you already know who is right for you to the extent that they will contribute to your well being, growth, and maturity?
Have you examined if you are truly the best for them? Chances are you are quite selfish with respect to this. However, we are also intelligent human beings. The greatest intelligence at are disposal is called, " common sense ". Common sense is actually a very high level of intelligence.
During the years when most people start to have relationships, date, and marry I failed miserably. Failing at getting a girlfriend or a mate is not harmful but I also failed to prepare responsibly to provide for myself, to work, to obtain adequate housing and keep my jobs.
I did not contribute to any social program, event, or cause. I was totally selfish. How would someone like me do if I went to the Philippines in that state? What affect would I have on the lives of friendly accepting filipinas?
I was also very naive and over trusting. Just picture how I would do with seasoned manipulative schemers.
Ad to this that the Philippines can and is quite dangerous and not because of any rebels, kidnappers, or criminals. It is a clanish society but far more organized than you would ever imagine. Their system of government start almost at your front door in what is called Barangays. This gives real meaning of government by the people. Your neighbor will see themselves as part of the government with a kind of authority over you.
No, they are not highly educated and many times have not formal education at all. They are not required to qualify for a position of social significance but they do have an outlet for the exercise of their will and it does mean over you whether you like it or not. You have to stay there long enough for them to feel comfortable enough to finally let you see where you are and what you got yourself into with them.
If you go to the Philippines thinking, Oh ! I can do anything I want here. I am between the ages of 40 to 70 but I can get a young 20 year old as a lover or a wife and I have my choice of so many you better catch yourself and contemplate thoroughly. Yes you may have you flings, laugh, joys, travels because you can afford it but do not think eyes are not on you.
What would you expect to do in the modern society of the United States?
Yes, there are certain joys you will find and experience in the Philippines you can find no where else and yes you will have many, many, many advantages if you do have a job, a business, some sort of recurring and continuous income or you are retired and have a pension or in the case of United States citizens, your social security payments but reason as a human being not as a despot.
Does a woman have to have a family to care for in order for you to treat her decent? Does she have to living a life of desperate poverty in order to accept you and treat you with reverence or respect? Is someone respectful out of self realization or because of social pressure, tradition, or culture? I would rather be with a person who realizes the natural order, humility, and evolutionary benefits of respect, good character, grace, and fundamental love.
I have been to the Philippines many times over the span of 6 years, met many filipinas and filipino families and I do have some friends. I have met the haves and the have nots. Those that have judge me and look for signs of adequacy and acheivement and signs of good character. They are less prompt to remain friends with me if I do not meet a certain stardard of quality of character. The have nots are more likey to accept me with all my faults.
Its a matter of being preceived as, " one of us ". It does not matter at what level you are whether low, middle, or high. You must meet the criteria of being, " one of us " with someone and as such once being accepted there are certain unwritten expectations.
If you love a girl would you not love her family, friends, and the world around her?
Filipinos are not different in wanting you to be like them. Americans will others to be like them. " America, love it of leave it". Ever hear that before? Filipinos feel the same way about their homeland, culture, and society.
Allot of what foreigners do in the Philippines is considered out of order but you are for the most part left alone and tolerated but there are limits to tolerance, patience, and injustice so be careful.
My advise is to be the best human being you know how to be and honest with yourself. If you know you need to grow then take time to grow. Among the adult filipinos you will find many who possess wisedom and they will be happy to benefit you with their experience. They are shy so you are the one who has to be looking for the lessons they are trying to teach you, that will be a sign of your intelligence and good heartedness, they will see it, know it, recognize it, and remember they have had years of exposure to evil so its not likely you will be able to get one over on them. They know first hand the suffering caused by immaturity, and selfish people. It a sense what you will find in the Philippines is a true test of character. What will you do if you have total freedom of expression and outward behavior?
Love does not mean accepting everything and all is good and wonderful. love like anything must survive and flourish, grow, and become deep rooted. Its a living thing and therefore requires the use and exercise of intelligence.
With good or bad people you must apply intelligence and be looking for signs of deception. If someone has a job, responsibilities, tasks to perform that are labourious and time and energy consuming there can be less effort in the thought process utilization when it comes to being with people. Remember filipinos have nothing but time and so for those that have a will toward using you, manipulating you they have a chance to perfect their schemes much more than you and I might. In other words they will be much better at deception and ultimately your destruction whether it be on an emotional level, on a finance level, or simply in conquering you phyically or phychologically.
Do not go to or think of the Philippines as being a bull in a china shop. Be a true human being and tha
First of all sorry for my english because Im French. Anyway I will try to express myself int the best manner possible.I visited the Philippines at least 6 times and let me tell you what I think about filipinas. Yes it is true that many filipinas are looking for opportunities and the best way to get them its through getting married to a foreigner. But ask yourself why they are acting that way. What kind of future are they offered in Philippines? What kind of support are they getting from the government of Philippines? Nothing.
So forgive me but I will not blame them if it is the last alternative left to them. Actually we should not forget that 11 000 000 filipinos are working abroad to sustain their families. Many of them are working in very difficult conditions and sometimes loosing their lifes for a small money. So filipinas, filipinos should be respected for that.
Who has to be blamed then? Let me tell you clearly that the governement of Philippines has to be blamed.They are not doing anything for the people. They are corrupted, thinking about their own benefits only. Who set up such government in Philippines? Do you think the people of Philippines did it? No.
I really like USA and the American history.Like most of europeans I like the great achievements USA did. For instance the landing on the moon,their action to liberate Europe from nazism. You gave us people like Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Martin Luther King, Elvis Presley, John Wayne. But dear americans, dont forget that you occupied Philippines from 1894 to 1946 and that after you occupied militarily, politically and financially the country. You brought the worse to Philippines during this time. Just look at places like Makati, Soubic, Angeles city, Boracai. What you will see? Bars, strip tease clubs, drugs, alcool, prostitution. And the streets are full of americans, australians, new zealanders rooming and abusing the people of Philippines, especially ladies. What kind of legacy is that?? Why did you not bring improvements, progress like you did in Germany or Japan with the Marshall plan after WWII? The answer is clear to me but I will skip the subject.
So after abusing the Philippines and the Filipino people, you are now complaining about the fact that some filipinas are cheating you or breaking your hearts? Do you think that the damage is more significant than what you did to them during the past century?? No comparison possible...Sorry I will not cry about your personal cases.
Let me add that Im married to a filipina and that I have a daughter which is by nature half filipina. She is very respectful,loving and caring and I love her sincerely and for life. May be its because Im not american or may be its because I treated and approached her in the good way. By the way she is from Mindanao and let me say that this place is clean and beautiful. It is true also that not so many foreigners are there. Which means no bars and all dirty things like that...
As I said earlier Im French. But let me tell you also that I feel FILIPINO too. Again I love America where I went there several times. You are a Great people, but please with all my due respect look at what USA did to Philippines too. And then think who is really unfair.
Please take this comment as a constructive one, not as fighting one. If someone plans to reply me by calling me Frog, Cheese eater ; I will reply that yes indeed I love cheese and frog legs. If someone will reply me by emphasizing that French are ungrateful coz you liberate us from Germans, I will just reply: remember Lafayette and the assistance we give you to get rid of the English for your independance. Any other constructive replies will be welcomed.
God Bless France, America and... Philippines.
With All my respect.
Adam
My neighbor(Landlord) married two women that were Phillippino,one about 8 yrs ago...well,he said she was too old for him(she was 25 then,and he was 40 something) Well, anyway they had a daughter,and she's now 9 yrs old. Now they are divorced. Then he married another Phillippino about 5 yrs ago,and she just got her green card and left his fat a_ _!! He promised the Consulate of the Phillippines that he was going to support her,but she had to get two jobs to support herself !! Then he stole her tax money,just to buy a new truck for himself,and she couldn't send her family any money out of it. The reason I know all of this,is he is illiterate,and I had to do most of his paperwork for him then. He has even abused his daughter(according to the neighbors)and got away with it! Currently, he is in the Phillippines right now,trying to bring this underage( she was when he was writing to her on the internet) girl from the Phillippines to America. He even bragged to his friends about it! He got so angry when I wouldn't let him use my computer anymore,he kept banging on my door every day for a week. We had a terrible confrontation,and then he told me "Well,if you don't like the way I operate,then you can just move the f---k out of here! {{The fact is,I've been living here for over 6 yrs now,and he has no right to treat me this way!}} I've been wanting to turn him in to the code enforcement for not making repairs,and renting a place that is termite infested,amongst other things. Fact is, they'll just red flag this place,and I'll be homeless. I just hope that they have handcuffs waiting for him somewhere !!! This man is a straight "Pediophile" !!!
Only fat, short, old and ugly Americans fall for this. The smart good looking guys hit it and quit it. On to the next. Us good looking catches can't relate to this lol
Ok! Guys im sorry to tell u. I doesnt matter where u go there are bad girls every where. I been i Thailand for 7 year and am married here. Yes my whife was an ashole who married me for money. What can i do. Im overage 45 and the girls u meet overthere or here in thailand are young and with no money. There is no socialsecurety and they have family that screaming for money. So guys wake up its not your body they are after. Its the money. If you never have any girls back home then u was young so dont belive u are the playboy then u will come to asia to look for a wife. Why should a young girl at age 20-30 marrie you if u are 40+. They want a better life and take care the family. Wake up! Its a game u can lose. Then u cut the money for her u will cut the love to. If u have the money i gues u can make here happy long time and she will not care if u look like mr shit. Its simple no money no honey.
The only people I see dating Philippines are fat pink pig face Americans. Philippines are greedy, unactrative, and opportinist woman
i don't think this is fair for pinay's. Do not generalize. Not all pinay's are opportunistas. It may be for some. I have an american boyfriend and he is happy with me, No money is involved because i have my own job as well. It's pure love, constant long distance relationship and it works fine. If in case we will get married soon, it's purely love and i'm sure my boyfriend can attest to that
Not all Pinay's are bad, I agree. But I have spent time in the Phils, in Hong Kong and for a year in Macau working IT. Many times it was necessary to visit small Internet cafes. I was shocked at the number of filipina filling these cafe's. Even more shocking was sitting back and watching these girls online with westerners....some with several windows open to several men at one time. I've heard many ask for money, I've seen many bare a breast for the promise of a western union payment. I've watched and heard many of these girls scam the guy into sending them a laptop or cell phone, promising the men they are honest, god fearing and want to marry them. If only these men could be sitting where I was, if these giggling scammers really knew I understood every word uttered to the friends standing out of camera view, pushing her to ask for more....never in any of my travels worldwide had I seen such an open, disgusting behaviour as these filipina were showing. Filipina have a terrible reputation worldwide, and I've seen first hand on many occasions why they have this reputation.
seems u got fooled/cheated. NOT all filipinas are the same...and NOT all americans are good...there are lots of Americans who are also cheters and users!!! its true...proven and tested...
All Filipinas are liars and very cunning, so be careful amigos.
If you are an American, then marry an American. Trust me...Life will be easier. There are plenty of beautiful women here in America. Just because you have to actually treat them like equals should not throw you off. People only go to foreign countries to grab a bride simply because they want the "housewife/servant" type. I think if you bring one of these people over, then you truly get what you deserve.
Not all filipinas wants money. Don't generalized it. I'm just curious when foreigners dated dark, petite and not that good looking filipina. Sorry but this is what i've noticed when i saw foreigners dated a filipina. You'll never know one of them will be the one who will fool you. Sometimes foreigner got fooled and they were not using their head also. Other women in other countries also have this kind of situation. Some filipinas also were looking for a true love that they can find to a foreigner guy.
Some piece of advice to foreigner guys out there. You should know the person more better and if they will ask you so many things some materials things you have to be smart about it.
im german, living 14 years in the philippines. been through it all, and can only say...4F. find them, feed them, F... them, forget them.
might not sound stylish, but works.
I am sincerely very sorry to those foreigners who experienced horror stories with their filipina wives. But please do not judge all of us in general. NOT ALL FILIPINAS ARE THE SAME.
I am a filipina who's been married with an american for 7 years. And i would like to share that we have a very good marriage.
My husband came to the philippines because his company sent him here for a 2-assignment. As part of this transition, he was able to bring his family (a filipina wife and a daughter) with him. But before his 2 yrs contract ends, his wife then manipulated him into trusting her their money and going back to the US with their daughter she can prepare for the place they are moving back to. After his contract ended, she told him to hang around and enjoy the country while he is still here until he almost already spent whatever money he had, although he was confident that his wife would buy his ticket going back to the US since that's what she told him. He then received a letter from her lawyer asking for divorce. Half way around the world, with almost no money at all, he had no choice.
I met him after he got divorced and his ex-wife re-married. I was still in college.
[I used to stereotype foreigner males as those who likes dark-skinned, skinny, illiterate, little prostitutes. And i used to judge and laugh at those couples walking around feeling proud with their partners.]
When i first saw him at the restaurant where me and my friends planned to have dinner before we kill the night, i immediately judged him as "one of them". I showed no interest for him at all but he was very persistent. So then i thought, what the heck? He looks young (no one could tell that he was 32 already and he could pass as a 25 yr old), good looking, has a well-toned body, plus i wanted to feed my curiosity regarding the bedroom side. He gave me his number through a tissue paper and a waiter. We started exchanging text messages since and agreed to go out on a date 2 days later. We became friends (with benefits). "That's all he was to me. Until he said the "L" word and started talking about moving together and introducing himself to my family which totally freaked me out. I was in college which my parents are supporting me with, and finding out that i was dating a foreigner would totally devastate them, let alone moving in together (which my parents totally disapproved). So i had to leave him. Tried to cut all my contacts with him, but he managed to find my parents address through a friend of ours. He came and talked to my parents, which didn't turn out to be as bad as I thought. He only asked them if he could ask me to be his GF.
He had no money, no job, an illegal in my country, and no passport soon. He was basically stuck here. What could our future be. But I was already "in-love".
Though I was only 18 at the time, i was already responsible and was making decent amount of money even before i met him from conducting piano and voice lessons and from singing at the hotels on the weekends. These helped me get him a lease in a decent 2 bedroom house in the same subdivision where me and my family lives, pay for his bills, and buy food. It came to the point when my friends and family started to discourage me about my relationship with him. But i was worried that he was too desperate enough and for me to leave him would be a huge blow on him. So i thought if he gets a job it would be easier for him to take the break-up but since he was illegal here, it's hard to find a company who would hire him no matter how good his resume was. So i asked for my dad to pull out his contacts, and he finally got a good paying job. But the day he starts at his job was the day i found out that I was pregnant with his baby.
I had to drop-out from school and we ended up moving-in together despite of my parents disapproval. They wanted us to get married first but we couldn't because of his illegal status and we couldn't afford to pay for his immigration penalty, and we were too proud to ask for help. My parents were very angry and basically disowned me until i had our baby. He got acquainted with other foreigners eventually and started to do part-time jobs with them that got him fired from his job. and those foreigners conned him eventually. he was able to get a better job, again, with the help of my dad. But he also started cheating on me with his office mate. I was devastated and heart-broken when I found out. I was so angry that it lead to a bad break-up. I kicked him out of our house, got him fired from his job, and reported him to the immigration. He was able to hide himself at his other woman's shabby apartment. Me, left to raise our son on my own and started to earn good with my job at the bank and as a realtor.
He realized eventually that his other woman was only with him because she thought he had money and will eventually take her to America, when she realized that he couldn't give her any, she started cheating on him. There he came to beg me to take him back 4 months later.
As much as broken-hearted i still was, it was more painful to see my son growing without his father. I took him back and forgave him for the sake of our son. But i didn't want to make the same mistake that i did, co-habiting without marriage. So i paid his immigration fees and got him a temporary visa so we could get married. We had 2 more kids, he was able to get a job with a multinational company with expat package and everything went well since.
Green Card is never an issue, and we never discussed it, nor am i interested. He now secured a permanent residency here. Money is never an issue as well, I have my own source of a decent income.
I don't blame the foreigners who hates my kind because of their bad experiences. BUT PLEASE DON'T JUDGE US ALL BECAUSE YOURS DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE WHAT YOU EXPECTED.
Why get married at all? It is just a societal "norm" foisted upon us, but is not really a "natural" state of being at all...
I also disagree with the common thread running through many of these posts that the Philippines is a hopeless basket-case economy and there's no hope or future for people here and that's why they find it best to go abroad. Balderdash. For hard-working, intelligent, educated, positive-thinking and ambitious people opportunites abound everywhere.
But guess what? There is no "easy street", and no land where the streets are paved with gold. You make your own luck in life. It takes hard work, ambition and dedication.
The reality is that 99 out of 100 of us don't have that. And we look for a short-cut. But, there are no short-cuts in life, I'm afraid.
i will never want to live in the US with my 3 little kids. I am way too spoiled to survive the first week without maids and nannies (which are very affordable here in philippines). I made that clear with my husband when we just started dating. with his US-based income plus my business income, we live like king and queen here, not like if we live in the US, we will probably be just an average middle class couple.
I am a filipina married to an american but we don't follow the said tradition where the husband also provide for his wife's extended family. that mostly happen to foreigners who marries a gold-digging whore from the bar or the internet.
i will never want to live in the US with my 3 little kids. I am way too spoiled to survive the first week without maids and nannies (which are very affordable here in philippines). I made that clear with my husband when we just started dating. with his US-based income plus my business income, we live like king and queen here, not like if we live in the US, we will probably be just an average middle class couple.
I am a filipina married to an american but we don't follow the said tradition where the husband also provide for his wife's extended family. that mostly happen to foreigners who marries a gold-digging whore from the bar or the internet.
para mi son traicioneras! comolo dijo alguien que conoci son una maquina de hacer dinero!! no son buenas personas tengo unos seis anos conociendolas y son como las serpientes una vezque logran su cometido tedan la estocada....
I have never had a filipina as a gf or a wife just friends, good friends. They don't ask me to marry them or for me to help them take care of their families. One of my friends Julita lives and works in Dubai because her father can't work anymore so she has to earn money elsewhere. She hasn't even asked me to lend her any money.When i was starting to look around at the possibility of marrying a filipina she steered me away from the "bad" ones to the good ones that are also just friends and don't ask me for any money. Julits had a fiancee in North Carolina that was supposed to be a true love for her but out of no where he broke up with her. Julita asked me what it meant when she would write to him and he didn't write back. I told her that there are many "bad" men like that here in the USA.This saddened me greatly because i know that being friends that she has a wonderful heart. Julita was crushed. Julita couldn't eat, sleep, and just cried all of the time. Working and getting no sleep was very hard on her. I knew that as a friend that the correct thing to do was to give her as much comfort, caring and love that i could possibly give to her. It took me a week to be able to get Julita starting back to her normal self. I tell Julita that i care about her and i love her greatly and consider myself lucky to have such a great friend as she is to me. She tells me that she has never heard of a man, or have ever known one that talks to women like i did for her. I explained to Julita that this is what true love in a friendship, espicially when we are best friends, is supposed to be. Julita has talked to me about all of her life the good things and the bad as i have done with her. Julita steered me away from the wrong women like a caring and loving woman would do for her best friend. I haven't met or known a lot of filipinas but the ones that have met have become my friends and i cherish their friendship greatly. I know that if i was actively looking for a wife then i would run them past Julita and she would let me know if the lady was the right one for me, her knowing what i am like. I would trust her judgement because i know how good her heart is. I got lucky making a friend like she is to me. Marriages. I have been married 2 times in my life. I married my first wife Kristina becausr i got tired of listening to her parents about us living in sin. We got married in a June wedding and by Sept. i kicked her out. I found out that Kristina was cheating on me with a neighbor that i knew. I told her there's the door go be with him now. I had a rebound relationship with a woman that was rebounding herself. Cyndi my 2nd wife was with 2 children from her first marriage and i loved her 2 daughters like my own. The girls were 6 months and 1.5 years. Cyndi wanted to marry me as soon as she could and told me all of the time that thats what she wanted more than anything. i kept telling her no for 2 years then she became pregnant. Cyndi should of stopped having babies after her second because she was having bad pregnancies like life threatning ones. Her OBGYN told her that if she tried and got pregnant again that it would be worse then the other 2 pregnancies. Cyndi told me that she loved me and wanted to have my child since i have never had one before. We ended up getting married at her 9 month of her pregnancy because my parents weren't married and i didn't want that for my child.We stayed together for a few years after that,5, but in the end i had to show her the door also just like i did with Kristina years ago. Cyndi wasn't cheating on me with another man, she was cheating because when i went to work at night she would take all 3 sleeping children to her friend Barbaras house and snort Cocaine and drink whiskey all night with it. We fought a lot on this issue. It was my 4 year old son Tony that told me about what was going on and he didn't like it. I showed her the door, she let me have Tony and she had the girls. Cyndi begged me for 4 months to get back with me again. i told her that things have top be different and that i must see a difference in 6 months or we are done for good this time. Nothing changed so after 6 months she was gone again. i kept Tony and she gave her 2 daughters to her brother to raise then she went and started partying like she was single with no children. There are good and bad people in this world everywhere. Yes you can find relationships working good in PI or the USA just like you can find bad ones. I was never lucky in my life and so i learned a lot of lessons and went through a lot of tribulations. I'm single and happy in my life not with anyone. My best friend Julita said that when i'm ready to try once again then she will help me find a good filipina for me to like, love, cherish, and show great respect to her as she would be willing to be like this towards me. I love my best friend Julita, she's a filipina and i'm so lucky to have one as my best friend.
not all filipina is gold digger.
I am an american dating a filipino women, i am 34 she is 28. We have been talking for 4 months, i having fallin in love with her. I came to the internet tonight and typed in my search things to know about filipino women ,WOW! All the bad stories have now scared the u know what out of me. I have not given any money to her, we talk every day and for about 3 hours on the weekend, she has a college degree, dad retired mom works i have met all the family on the internet, i ask everyone the question how can i tell if she is really true? Am i just stupid? What am i missing
how could someone "fall-inlove" over the internet?
out of 100%, 80% are opportunistics & materialistics, 15% doesnt really cure. and 5% are american haters. anyway, i'm a filipina. and i'm one of the 5%.
The author has correctly written. Flipina are thinking that foreigners are printing the currency at their home country. If I explain my experiance, People will think that am stupid ; Truly I lost 2000 USD as Girl wants on urgency for their mothers hospitalization charges.
I sent money through western union ; After which no contact or no calls from them and am trying to call them and she said , Please do not call any more.
there is not even a gratitude for the help. Cultureless will not give you any benifit to have a wife.better have short gf ; what author has written is correct. Only outer beauty is there and not inner beauty and once your money is gone, you will be in the road or if you get any accident ..she will not with stand with you.
better marry the girls at their home country where culture and character is known for living.
lots of filipinba come here and then bring all their family here as well. they like to dominate also and love material things. can shop all day long. my wife is different shes a filipna and iam african we have a daughter and she tells me how some of her stupid friends asked why she married black guy. they are prejudice as well. thank god her parent love me and shes a christian. she will soon move with me to africa when we both retire. now thats true love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Philippine bride women are after a real loving relationship. They are not just after money. Well of course there are some women that are just after money.. Introduction agencies like http://www.introasia.com can help you to find a genuine woman who are looking for a loving caring man to spend the rest of their life with.
Hey, I married a Filipino in the USA. Oh happy days. Or so I thought. I was 60, she was 47, already getting overweight, ect. But, she was unfaithful to me, and I tried to love her, I honestly wanted to make love, not just heve sex, but she wouldn't even kiss me. She shunned me, told me she had a job she had to on the weekend from Friday 5pm. to Sunday 12 noon. I called her at work on Friday night and someone else answered the phone. Long story. Don't want to get into it. I call her the whore of the Philippines, and she was/is. But her family, her friends helped her in this scam. Her friend, the doctor. (from the Philippines), who she was having an affair with while she was married to me, and before she even came to America. This doctor, and his wife, who later came to America, and thats when I found out. she was a whore. The whore of the Philippines. Northern Philippines. Ha. I laugh now, although I'm still married to her, and her doctor friend the doctor, and his wife who is here now, has been, and now she's no longer gone weekends. IF, if you marry a Filippino, know who she is, know she is not in love with another guy. What I've learned is, this woman will not leave me now, I do not love her, and neither does she love me, we've expressed that to each other. OK! But, her lover, the doctor, Philippine doctor, who is now an American doctor, and his wife has him under control, ha. My wife will not leave me, although I have put everything in a trust, she gets nothing. BUT, the bitch wants my SS, and retirement. Ha. I can't leave her as I'm old now. Yes, there are other women who'd marry me, but I'm too old to take the chance. Right here near the town I live in. BUT, but, yes there is always a but. But, I love the eyes, noses and shape of the Asian woman. So, they are beautuful. I cannot help that. So, if an Asian women reads this, write me, I bought credits on Chinese sites, Chn.love, and I wrote one lady and lost all 10 credits I bought in one letter. I think, wonder is all sites are scams. Well, it doesn't matter, I'm rich, but, love is I believe obscure. I do know all Philippine women are not like this one, and if one will write me, I'll send her home. Hey, I just don't want to be alone. I'm 66, still work out, I own a home, two cars, one BMW, Z3, a classic since it's stopped being build. I'm strong, I am the most romantic man you'll ever meet. Let me tell you about this Philippine woman, she says she's romantic, but she will not kiss, in the 18 times she's had sex with me in 6 years, not once has she kissed me. Soooooooooooo, I brush my teeth 3 times a day, dental floss every night, I bathe every night, though she comes to bed dirty, and in the beginning, since I love oral making love, I love giving it, and I learned how to make a woman gush, or you call it squirting now, when I did it the first time with my first wife, gee, I didn't know what to call it. She nearly drowned me. It truly was the sexiest thing that ever happened, and there are two places to touch. Now, if you study you will see how. Oh, how about this, my Philippine wife told me, my momma told me, nothing goes into the pussy, sorry, except the penis. OK, so the tongue and finger much work together to bring an gushing orgasm. She is th coldest woman I've ever been with in my life. Well, maybe it's because of her Philippine doctor lover, who was cheating on his wife. And, I hope she reads this. She won't, as she has total trust for this Philippine trash.
Oh, hey, let me tell you one more story of this family, I swear it's the truth. Contact me, and I'll prove it. My wifes sister was married to a Philippino man, but he was from Californis, when she came here. He seduced her, she worked hard and owened a home, cars, ect. He' married her, divorced her and tried to get half her estate. I laughed. Hey, it is funny.
So there, this will never get printed, but my email is oceanblueNsailing@yahoo.com If a girl will marry me, I'll give her more love then she has ever expected. Probably not for but 10 years at the most. But, all I wanted was to be loved, where is it when you grow old. Well, beware guys, I'm a sucker. She's at work tonight, she makes more then my SS and retirement, but attributes nothing to living here. I do not want to be alone, let her go to the doctor. Ha, he'll never leave his wife as she is a doctor too. They make $200,000. a year together, OK, that's all I have to say. Is there one girl in the Philippines, Thailand, China who is capable of loving a man. Not for his wealth, but for love, or at least, can you actlike you love her. I ask her to at least pretend she loved me, and she couldn't. I suppose it's the doctor, and his $100,000. a year. Thanks, Oceanblue.
Not necessarily true not all filipina's r bad tho couple r bad the one i'm marrying is good asks for no money not going to mention her name tho the one's who r bad should for warn ever one traced her down to San Fernando in Cebu the other i'll have arrested when i come..
@ khayM is possible yahoo video chat
A very good friend of mine fell in love with a Filipina over the Internet, he traveled overseas from the United States and promptly married her and they had one child. Her original intentions were to come over to the United States. This man came back to the states (where his employment is at) and he has been supporting this woman by sending her money from the U.S. to the tune of $600 to $800 a month. He has been sending money to her for 3 years now and he keeps saying that immigration is very slow in responding to her request to leave the Philippines. Yes, they are married but he sees her once or twice a year. It seems as though little or nothing is being done to facilitate her coming to the United States and it looks like she has no real intention of ever doing so. To compound matters a second child is on the way. I find it very hard to believe that it takes 3 years plus to leave that country on a visa or such. This whole thing sounds very fishy. Please, can any of you give me any advice or thoughts on this, so I can inform this man. Is he being scammed? Does this happen often over there? Does this sound fraudulent?
dont marry a filipina, its all about your money and if you do marry., YOU will remember this message, most of you but it will be to late. TRUST ME, Im finding out the hard way
if she asks for money (for whatever reasons) RUN THE OTHER WAY and don't look back. that already gives you a hint of her intentions
know her family. if she and her family lives in the province and in the rural part, you will be doomed to provide for her entire family and extended family, that includes her father's new fishing boat, her mother's livestock, her siblings education, and handouts to her relatives. (i'm not exagerating, but believe me, it happens)
KNOW HER! means that YOU DON'T MARRY A GIRL if you have known her for less than a year especially a filipina. also means a lot of dating, not just taking her to fancy restaurants and hotels.
*know her education. the more educated she is, the less communication gap you'll have. remember, communication is the key for a successful marriage. and FYI, well educated filipinas are more independent monetarily, and we don't ask nor accept charity even from our boyfriends.
*know her work and where she works. and make sure that her claims are true. if she's lying to you from the beginning, she'll be lying to you for the rest of your lives.
A huge age gap will sure be an issue in the future! Who ever thinks that a 20yr old something girl will sincerely love a 50ish or 60ish man is a fool! she will end up dumping you and find a younger guy after she secured her green card.
filipinas are very fertile (LOL). they could trap you into marrying them by getting pregnant. so better bring condoms all the time.
STAY AWAY FROM WOMEN WHO WORKS AT THE BAR/CLUB, AND WOMEN WHO SELL THEMSELVES ON THE INTERNET! DON'T BELIEVE ON DATING SITES, THEY ARE ALL SCAMS.
I know women who also wish to marry foreigners for different reasons. Some are down right straight after the guys' money. Others are for american citizenship security. some are just curious of "the size" and the bed side performance, while some just simply envy me for having beautiful kids. I tell you, Filipino-american kids are the cutest.
@Cowboy Mark it shouldn't take that long to petition his wife and kids, i know some people who got theirs done in 6mos to 1 yr the longest. and ask him if he is also willing to relocate in the philippines to be with his family. there's a lot of US based company who are looking for people who are willing to relocate here, all expenses paid, and with US-based salary (around 2k-10k USD a month). and if his wife is willing, she could petition him for a permanent residency here so he'll pay less taxes.
some women would rather stay in the philippines especially if they have kids because life is so much easier here. she can afford a full-time nanny and a maid, international schools here can really match private schools in the US but cheaper, and living of with 800USD a month is more than enough really.
I've had them try to take advantage; my girlfriend there was honest when I was with her, but 2 weeks after I left the country she was coming up with 'emergencies'; her kids were sick and in the hospital etc needing money...I demanded hospital receipts and the ones she sent me were forgeries. Even after she was caught her 'house burned down','mother had tuberculosis',she was 'robbed at knifepoint' etc etc all in a few months.
We are all human and we have our different personality and of course attitude, I am not agree for all those person that mentioned about how bad Filipina is!!! In my own opinion all people are not the same Filipina,American,African etc.If we show our love and truly respect to our parther in life ( husband or wife) then there is no reason to cheat or find someone else!!!! I'm Filipina married to American man and we lives here in North Carolina we have a lot of respect in our relationship and I'm very satisfied for all the love and kindness of my husband he is my soul mate and i thank God that he brought us in the same path. I believed that even what nationality you are if you brake your trust of your love ones then your relationship will turn bad .
Yeah I agree with khay, Not all Filipina are the same.. If these white men go to clubs date a woman there and then marry or, non educated women with no jobs, then what else these women will ask for? MONEY RIGHT? The main point is, when a woman started to ask money directly or indirectly, then beware..
I really don't like foreigners at first, because for me they are cheaters, once they get what they want they will dump you like a hot potato..or in the end they will divorce you once they found a sexy and pretty woman but when I met my bf online accidentally.. my mindset change.. he is not like the others after all..
A LOVE is not something that you can just feel right away?It takes time and effort to develop and succeed. I am in love with an american guy for four years now..And I know it was the love we felt with each other why we reach this far. He has no steady job when we met online while I was working as tech'l assistant in the mine.. And now he is finished with his school and started earning he wants us to get married soon. He doesn't want to live in my country because of so many reasons he doesn't like the hot weather etc and etc.
If you wanted to marry a Filipina women why not pick a woman who has a degree and working.. for you to know that they can support themselves and their family wont ask you for money? White men or foreigners should be smart.. and hopefully, these white man marries because of love not because they need a servant or a slave..
We are not all the same regardless of what race we belong.. and its not nice to say that "ALL" are the same because we are not the same..even twins are not the same.
A TRUE LOVE will stand the test of time.. if you passed that test then your marriage or relationship will succeed.
im a aussie living in phil i met my gf on the internet we chatted for 16 months, we became very close friends and not once did she ever mention money she had her own career here in phil and owned her own car, in 2009 i came here to visit we shared a house , our relationship became serious and its know 2011 and we plan to marry , we built house in province. all her brothers and sisters are well educated with there own careers not once have i been asked for any money or support. i guess it depends how long you allow a relationship to develop and that goes for any country you live in whether it be philipines , usa or australia as examples
Chad and John advise men to find wives in their own country, but this lies at the heart of the problem under discussion here. There are not enough potential wives of child-bearing age to go around in first-world countries. Note the very low birth rates.
In my so-called ‘developed’ country (Australia), only a proportion of women are receptive to the idea of mutual love and loyalty in marriage. Serial monogamy is seen as a perfectly valid alternative for a large proportion of Australian women. Of the women not too rough to be attractive to the normal educated male, or too high-flying to be attracted by them, many are so self-involved that they feel better off without any male slowing them down, even in child-rearing (I’m not saying they’re wrong), or they choose for their own reasons to not have children (see below), and some have swallowed the extremist feminist dogma and are just plain man-haters. Sorry to seem offensive, but I’m just stating the obvious, and I’m not commenting on whether they’re wrong to hate many of the males they meet. But more innocent males are caught in the same feedback loop. The remaining loyalty-in-marriage-minded women are quickly spoken for and remain so because of their very qualities of love and faithfulness. Result: an imbalance in the population seeking spouses.
Add to this the extreme cost of raising a family in a first world country, in which couples need to be half-way to being millionaires early in life just to have the basics in some cities. This causes an age gap. Young females are keen to reproduce while they are of optimal childbearing age, but young males find the idea of establishing a family daunting on low start-up salaries. Without generational financial help, that early bond often breaks up (I know), and by the time the individuals find a new bond, the woman may either be past child-bearing prime or so involved with career and lifestyle that the urge wanes. Thus the males join the population of males looking for younger child-bearing women. Any sociologist who doesn’t see these problems is living in a cave in the desert.
I’m now a 55 year old male, having been receptive to finding a mate for 30 years, and reasonable looking, with reasonable physique and fitness (still run the same distance I ran at age 45), sane, sober and intelligent enough to take a responsible role in society and hold down a creative, professionally salaried job etc etc – in short, eligible. (I know I must be attractive by the number of women interested in a bit on the side, but I had no interest in that pointless exercise!). Yet among the hundreds of potential mates I have met in my life in my own country, only one has embarked on a family-oriented relationship (which was beautiful, but in those early days finances led her to decide she would rather join the abovementioned go-it-aloners, and did so for 25 years). So where to for a 55 year old male who would still like the chance of having a family?
Many of those ladies might say I have no right to want a family at my age, and they are more than likely right, but there are nearly 7 billion people in the world, and ones like me can’t help thinking that somewhere in the less prosperous, more populous world there might be one, just one sincere woman of child-bearing age, perhaps finding herself in a bad situation at home, who might want to make a family and a life together with a relatively prosperous older husband. Someone with less to lose materially than her first-world sisters, and so is willing to take the chance on loyalty.
Perhaps I’m naïve, but I’m sure I’m not alone. That’s why older western males become involved with the Asian women from lower income backgrounds, whom this thread is noting can cause problems. We assume the professional, financially independent women of child-bearing age have no reason to want us. It’s a trend caused by both the affluence and the breakdown of modern first-world societies. Taking a broad perspective, the redistribution of fertile women to solve the disparity can only be a good thing for the world demographic, and their remittances good for economic parity.
I haven’t visited Asian dating sites – far too scared of being conned (another effect of that affluence and breakdown). But I’ve travelled widely in Asia and India and I know I have more affinity with the ordinary people of those regions than many of the citizens in my own country. And as my years tick by, I have a sense my time is running out, and my options for “true love”. I know a marriage of this sort won’t be like the marriage I may have made in my own country in my younger years. But it would still give me a family.
I hope this explains why many older western males feel the need to look beyond their own countries and income levels. It has nothing to do with wanting a subservient concubine or "housewife/servant" type. Yes, money is tied up with love in this situation, but marriage has, over the centuries, always been a mutually beneficial social contract. All contracts need to be honoured; the girls that cheat are simply breaking the contract.
A. Nony Mouse
I've come accross a lot of online forums including this one branding Filipinas as gold diggers,self centered individuals who want nothing but used foreigners for their own gain.But none so far among these accusers ever admmitted (who will admit anyway?) having done wrong also to their wives.Obviously,many of these Foreigners were hurt after being cheated,neglected,treated like a milking cow and so on.But had anyone of you ever asked yourself why these things happen to you? First and foremost why would a decent 50 or 60 year old man will marry someone who is like her daughter? You guys should be realistic what can you expect from a girl(yes girl) half your age? Western men should be wise enough to know that many of these women married for convenience sake and that I don't need to explain.I am a filipina,I AM PROUD OF IT! It might not sound believable to all of you here but I take pride that when I married my German husband,no one among my family did ever coerce me or push me to marry him.I was very old by standard when I married my husband I'm already past my 30's but my hubby is just a year older than me.He's a Mechanical Engineer by profession and has a good physique.The reason I marry him was because he has what I don't have.He has a good family background,I'm a frustrated Civil Engineer(make it to 4rt year atleast in College)and his tall.(I'm 5'2 his 6 flat).So I said why not cause Im tired of some Pinoys guys asking me when they saw me what's my vital statistic haha..I wanted to marry a Filipino guy but unfutunately haven't found one that I can truly trust.And surprisingly, my husband pursued me like how an old fashioned Filipino guy will pursue his lady love so I was taken by that.My husband was attracted to me cause I guess I am a straight forward person.When he first called me and started asking about my interest,I told him frankly I can't cook.I'm only good at jumping at the table when lunch is served lol!So he was shock by my behavior plus when I could't understand what he was saying on the phone I told him point black..Learn English!But he was not discourage by that infact he love me for it! So my point here is at the beginning of the getting to know each other's stage.Both parties should be frank to each other.Before I am scared to marry a foreigner what with some reputation of being a Pedophile,woman beater and arrogant.But sometimes fate has it's way on finding us to our partners in life.So what I did to make things straight.I wrote my would be in-laws then that once I came to Germany they should not expect a slave in me and that I will not tolerate being treated like a third class.True ended I never experienced being treated like a servant but still my husband and I still have frequent issues and Culture has something to do with it! I'm very sensitive to the German mentality and dealings.I find them already arrogant.I'm a typical filipina yes cause I'm family oriented.My parents already died several years ago but I have 4 brothers one of them I tried to support get a College diploma.But sadly some of our family members are abusive so I taught him a lesson and after that I never send him money anymore.I can't afford my whole life being stereotype as somebody like a leech.I am not!
To those who are complaining that some filipinas don't want intimacy or less.Consider yourself lucky cause you have more than us in 4 years.Some Filipinas like me need no feeding more than loving and sweet kisses are ok.Yes some of us are not that active enough.And I'm lucky that my husband doesn't really mind cause he knows me from the very start.
It take's two to tango so guys no matter how desperate you are in whatever bad experiences you have had from my fellow Filipinas.Learn from it but don't blame them solely alone.Maybe all of us should look at each other sides and face ourselves in the mirror.And let us all ask some question.What I want from my partner? Is she the wife Im going to marry to spend my life with or Is she my only future servant I couldn't have in my own country? Lastly,spread the word to stop these wrong practises among ladies searching for green pastures.DON'T SEND MONEY TO ATTRACT THEM TO YOU!
I wish many of my fellow Pinays will read what some guys are lamenting here,then maybe it will gave them a signal to stop or maybe( i wish) that no matter what droves them to search their man online.Still it is but fair to gave love and respect back by being respectful to oneself.Yes,I am also poor,I also seek ways to have a better life and that's the reason that I want to educate myself with what's goind around.And one day I want to go back home not as a wife of a foreigner but a woman who has found a place in a land where cold people are.I want to earn a diploma in one of German University and I just started.I'm an ambitious Pinay but money has nothing to do with it but self progress and I want to be treated as equal no matter what my reputation is among the Western and Europeans.
Hope it helps to understand some of us..
@breakingice very well said!!!
totally agree with you. My stupid father married an opportunist filipino who has completely ruined our family. He sold my inheritance property and gave it to her. He is a pensioner who now has three more children and lives off the state. Appauling.
i completely agree with those gentlemen wrote about pinays lady, i dated with many girls and i met with some of them, what i found 85% are liers and scammers, i was victims of them, now i know very well how the dating works, they fooled me before, now i fool them the wat they did to me. they are most of them know how to decieve foreigners, but i am now very careful and i know how to deceive them. tit for tat.
Well, I'm an American male, old now, and I read the fellows opinion, and I wasn't even looking for it. But, I've written before, not on this site, but on others because my life was destroyed by a Filipina woman, 50, so I did not marry a baby you see. I was 58 and only wanted a loving wife, but to my surprise, she was/is a witch day and night. Now, as to sex, I cannot touch her with my hand, only the penis goes in there. But after about a month of marriage, she did a strip tease in our window for a guy outside in a truck. After that, guys were gathered round, waiting for the next show, me, I now call her the whore of the Philippines. You think I'm cruel, if you knew me you wouldn't, I've always had trouble dating because I'm a nice guy. You know the type, I'm not jealous, hell, I've been married to her five years since the strip, when I caught her naked with nothing but her bra on. Why did she keep it on, she knew if any guy saw she had not tits, they'd never come back for more. Ha. Sounds funny, but it's really not, she has done more things since then, my stomach has been turned in knots, now for 5 years. Why don't I leave her, I've got the divorce papers right here in the room, she won't sign them, swears, I'll never get rid of her. I paid $800. for a will which cut out her, but what she wants now is my SS. She's the biggest liar I've ever meant, but, but I have forgiven her, cause I'm an old fool. Yes, it's hard to have a broken heart in your old age, but she's drugged me, several times, when her daughter was here, one of them drugged me then, I accused the daughter, but maybe I was wrong. Last night she slept in the other bedroom, probably because when she came in at 11pm. I asked her if she'd like to play around. Well, she fixed that really quick, she left to the other bedroom and I only saw her the next day. Oh, heres the really big thing, I have money to support us and I told her before we were married, I want my wife to be with me, not leave me every night to work. I'll give you money if that's what you want, but she chose to work, and get this, I swear this is true, she told me when I ask her to pay half the utilities, for after 6 years I'm running out of money. I asked her, would you like to pay half the utilities, "WHAT", "My Filipina relatives and friends, couldn't believe you ask me that". She doesn't pay half, not even one cent, but she did tell me she is only home 40% of the time, so that's all she'd pay, hell, I told her, don't worry about it, I'll pay it all as I always have. You want a good wife, look for an American drug addict, you'll have less pain, trust me, I swear I'm not liaen. Yes, it's hard for me to believe, she's not only the whore of the Philippines, but she's also the bitch of the Philippines.
Your welcome guys, maybe she's the only one, I've meant a number of Filipino's at parties, and they seem alright. Trust it to me to find maybe the lemon of them all, or, maybe she's just payment for all my sins.
If you'd like to reply, captgary55@hotmail.com I have nothing to hide, I have not lied, I'll have her write you, maybe you can sweap her off her feet, and then she'll sign the divorcee papers, bug chance, she's got a garanteed $1,000./month for the rest of her life. I actually think she's married to some guy in the Philippines, I've got reason for that statement, so, yes, yes my friend, I'm a loser, I'm a loser in love. I'm convienced there is no such thing as love, not true love, hell, I'm still a nice looking guy, I work out three times a week, well, I have to so she can work out with me and keep from exploding, as she has a weight problem now. You know, at about 45, a Filipino woman starts getting that pregnate look in the front, so though I'm just a prick, I go and work out, but I've dont it since I was 12, and now I'm 66. She also has a heart maumer too, and though I've been treated like s--t, I'm still a nice guy, I am a loser, for I don't won't her to die. Doctor's did say if she didn't exercise she would die young, so being the a--hole I am, I go and take her to work out. I do know what ya'll are thinking, I'm either a real bum, but I promise you I"m not. YOu see, I love her, though abused, and she's sick, and her friends and family who told her, "I can't believe your husband asked you to pay half the living expenses. So he bought a second car so you could go to work, and so he's alone from 3-11 every night, so, what does that matter?" I"m tired of writing and she'll be home in a couple of hours, I'll get her other bed made up, so she'll be comfortable instead, ha, men, beware of Filipino women, oh, let me tell you about this, my wifes sister married a Filipino man in the good old USA, and he after years of marriage tried to take the house she had when he married her. I ask my wife, what do you think about him, "He's scum". Ha, but the sister was a good Filipino woman, she took care of him, even after she found out her had had a Filipino girlfriend every since she married him. Ha, I wonder how it felt to see her sister screwed, for home and property, by a real scumbag. Well, he's an a--hole, but my wife she is not, even the sister would not help me when I asked for her help. These people are sick, and I got what I guess I deserved, I wanted love, and I got left overs. Read it and fall into your own Filipino trap. But when you do, don't say you were not warned. Franklin.
i am filipina married to a norwegian, but i really love my husband and respect him. i am not with his money but just to live a happy life.
so good luck guys and just be carefull choosing the girl you love :)
not all girls here are scamming.. or what... ok me im ot the type of girl im not a gold digger or materialistic im looking forward to be with genuine and caring guy.. hope u realized not all filipina is that based on your experience... gooluck
y son is going to marry a Filipina and she is a warm, compassionate , sincere woman. Don't paint all with the same paintbrush!
I am a Filipina aged 25, reading these threads made me feel uncomfortable interacting with other races. Those qualities mentioned have become trademarks for Filipinas. We all aim for goodness and greatness yet the hunger for money/wealth, glamour, passion, honor / acceptance / acknowledgements, and love and to how we achieve them might be the cause of this ailing society. Nourishing evil thoughts, emotions and deeds as we attain our goals, wants and needs in life would also harvests evil and unsatisfying outcomes. I still believe there is goodness in each person that has yet to be cultivated and is worth to be respected.
Looking for your soulmate, twin soul, kindred spirit, true love or whatever you desire to call it is a lot like Algebra. If we wish to solve for x and y the first step is to eliminate one of the unknowns. My point is to get to know the person before rushing into marriage. Ask yourself some questions like are we past the infatuation phase of romance? This applies to all relationships not necessarily just to Filipinas (Pinays). Guys, philosophically speaking what is true for a part is not true for a whole! So stop generalizing and stereotyping! But really? If that is your experience maybe a powerful generalization of the concept algebra will help you to eliminate these type of women!
Each place in the world has good and bad people. It is universal and without boundaries!So follow your heart and be yourself.
You'll always know what is true and what is false. Take time. Love, true! ... Is forever!
Me: I met Rachel (Filipina) and I trust. A caring person and wonderful: the woman of my life.
Christophe
hi there i've met this filipino gil on line she told me all her story about his family bad and good things she couldnot carry on with her studies cause of financial reason but when i offer to support her finish her study she refuse ,she doesnot ask me for any money i always offer but she always refuse to me i'm confused never met her but planing to met her is she the one i'm looking for i did not really knew that i'll fall in love with an asian lady but when i see this girl i really love her but we met in the internet i dont really trust the internet but willing to give it a chance please help with your experience
Filipinos in general are one of the best people/races on earth. Always use your mind and analytical skills.
Filipinos in general are one of the best people/races on earth. Always use your mind and analytical skills.
TO: abdallajh
Hi. I'm an educated and independent Filipina. I can say that I am very logical but I never thought I'd find love online. I think that you should give it a chance because finding a life partner is also about taking risks. If it doesn't work out at least you gave it a try and this would be a learning experience you can use Best of Luck
I agree, my HUSBAND (of almost 15years) has met a phillipino woman ONLINE who he has not met in person - we are separated, but have a healthy friendship, and I do care about him being scammed - obviously I want him to be happy, and he has dated other women prior to this, and I had no issue with it - however - this woman WHO HE HAS NOT MET keeps putting off her coming to Australia - advising him that she has health problems and that her father is very sick in ICU - to this date - my husband has sent over VIA WESTERN union almost $20,000 Australian dollars - not a bad living hey in the phillipines ($1000 per week - she would be laughing all the way to the bank) I have seen messages from her on his phone - confessing how much she loves him and cant wait to be with him, whilst adding that her dad is very sick and she will be here next month - and so on and son - this has been going on for months now - what these women dont understand is that we in Australia live on borrowed cash mostly - credit cards, mortgages and our electricity/food/petrol is high not to mention Australia pays one of the highest tax rates in the world - I am by no means a gold digger and have worked very hard to achieve a roof over my head with my husband - we still have a joint mortgage which we both contribute too - I understand if the man pays for her to keep in touch (pays for her telephone/internet) while dating online - but until a commitment is established ? it is appauling that they MANIPULATE our men to sending them money, alot of money, and morally corrupt - because they survived before their night in shining cyber space came along - surely the right phillipino woman would wait if she was genuine, and not take advantage of yes - some men who are a little niave and blinded by their cunning manipulating ways and beauty - I am sorry that these type of women have given the good phillipino women a bad name - but remember we have them in every culture - this has just affected me personally - and I will do everything in my power to ensure my own roof is not taken from my own head because of this phillipino woman - I too have worked hard - and I cant allow this to happen. Feel free to respond - if you dissagree with what i am saying then you are one of them, because what im saying is logical - sincere and the absolute truth, I dont wish anybody to be in this position. My family home is now at stake, why? because of these women who prey on vulnerable western men, and they dont see the damage they cause over here - it affects not only the man - but people he loves and love him back - GENUINE LOVE.
BEWARE the cunning Filipina. She will fall in love - with your money. She will be loving - for as long as you have money. They look for older men to marry, hoping the silly old fool will have saved up enough for her to buy her jewelry, make-up, and clothes. The Filipina is vain, she loves to look at herself in a mirror, like a bird.
They lie, and love to flirt.
Be warned!
hell dont try to fool your self . pinay their all liers
thE heck!! NOT ALL FILIPINAS ARE GOLD DIGGER!!! I REPEAT,, NOT ALL!!! I'm proud to say that I am A Filipina!,, I have the looks and the attitude!!.. what if I say THAT AMERICAN WOMEN ARE SLUTS!!!?? PROUD TO LEGALIZED PORNOS?? WOULD YOU AGREE WITH IT? Of course you won't coz I know, NOT ALL American women are sluts,..just as Filipinas,, there are indeed sluts around but NOT ALL....SO BEFORE YOU UNDERESTIMATE A PeRSON FROM OTHER RACES,, YOU MUST SEE THE WOMEN FROM YOUR RACE....IT's Not surprising that women in your race are known to be LIBERATED!!
WELL I"VE SHARED MY REACTION AND COMMENTS...THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD TIME... GOOD LUCK FOR FINDING THE RIGHT GIRLS FOR YOU!!!!
i am a pinay who got married to a white man tru internet,my situation:
i was in college at tht time,running 19 yrs old,i live in mindanao which computer used only at school,i started using computer in cafes by playing games,and started learning about ym ym bec of gays chatting there,later on i also started chat2 and meet lot of people,but all of them are cr-p,thy want to see me naked blah blah,until i found a sri lankan friend who invited me join tagged and thr one time this white guy who eventually became my husband sent me invitations blah,so we started chatting sending love letters calling each other,until when he's planning to visits ph and want to marry me,i was so afraid wht to tell to my parents cz am so young i havent even finish my schooling,later on when he's almost coming i finally broke the news to my parents whch thy just laughed(thy think am just fooling thm),until he send me money to go my sisters place in manila where we are going to meet,he also sends money for my parents fair,he was 9 yrs older thn me,when he arrived my parents started to like him,not because of money cz he was even so (kuripot),but bec he is so mature and sweet to me,and my parents let me understand tht maybe he is kuripot cz he is savings for our future whch my family just approved our wedding,but my parents and sisters were so afraid tht im young am gonna change my mind later on whch thy let me understand i cannot back out if im already married,thy give me bunch of advises,cleaning cooking, taking good care of my husband,everything,so i made an assurance tht i'll be good housewife,at tht time i was young,so clean(virgin)and i give up my ambitions to become career woman or busy woman someday cz i was already so inlove and i just said ok im willing to be a housewife only,so we got married and after months i flew here in eu,and waiting whats gonna happend,until i arrived and found out to be my husband is renting in 1+kk flat,very small place,he has no savings,no car,has banks debts he used in our wedding,i cant get any kind of job bec people here arent speaking even the basic english,and i cant enroll myself in a language course cz my husband cant afford to pay,so i ended up staying in the house all day no television,i met some pinay here but i cant enjoy being with thm cz thy go shopping blah2 and me i cant afford those simple housewife choirs going groceries cz my husband salary is so tight tht he has no extra for my simple needs,so i have no choice but to lie to my parents tht im ok,though sometimes i sleep without having dinner cz of no food,havent visit ph for almost 3 years now,i isolate myself,having self pity cz i miss my family,i wanted to visit thm once in a while,sometimes i think maybe just to find some old guy who can afford my simple needs in life,but i cant cz i love him,he is my husband and i need to live with him all the way,hes good and smart man but hes kinda slow,and thanks to me he got new job offer in english country,i helped him in interviews and even acting like i am the interviewer and asking possible ? to him,finally he got the job and waiting for 2 months,he loves me and tried harder to not make me hungry,the problem is he just started being serious bout the job and life until he got married to me,now tht we are moving to an english country i need to resume my past plans to become career woman cz i need to help my husband financially or wll not gonna make it to have a children,im just 23 now and am not going to have children whn hes already old,i let him understand tht,so he tried so hard now to work for us,and my ambition to become full time housewife just set aside and try to work also to help him,the good thing about my husband is hes very sweet and understand me so much,and hes very calm a total contrast to me whch is i panic so easily cz i want my life to always organize,though he has lots of flaws i accept it all,though hes not the man i was expecting to be,though the life i was expecting ddnt came i will stay with him cz he is my husband,and i love him,and he said he love me cz i stayed with him even he has nothing and im very faithful to him,he said he cant find a single eu woman tht can live a man despite of not having things tht woman cant live without,women here are like better to become po-n actress than to study and work hard and get those money tht can get easily by stripping etc,and my husband said i am very ambitious(cz i keep on singing,dancing and having drama though am not good at it) little wifey,and also since my husband is working hard now he doesnt have time in our sex life,he is tired and me im young and wanted to have those but i just sacrifice cz i understand tht he is tired,we havent make love since january 2010,one year already,i sacrifice harder cz he is my husband,i am a filipino,are ther any white woman who can do tht,?as long as you showed to your wife tht u're trying to make her happy she will not ended up cheating on u,
To Resky:
Well, thank you for what you just wrote, i will prob have a similar situation like you. However, I had thought about the sex thing and to be honest, when a man loves a woman they must give each other soul and body completely. Can I ask you something, do you go to church? Again, thank you for what you wrote, it helped me a lot. For further reference you can add me: angel_solo123abc @ YAH00.COM
im a sigle mom and i really didnt like the usage of facebook ,chatting etc but my kids is the one who made my account and not nknowing that it will be a way to meet my one true love...im not asking for money as i have my own business,it happens that i met someone who makes me fall in love with him so many times,,he is the most loving i ever met,so devoted and i know that our love was made in heaven..
Im married an american man here at USA for 11years he has no much money and im making a good money here am not an ugly we love each other so dont tell me all filipino are for money.Actually seldom you can find an american who really much of money only few who has money like those who are pensioner and some of those will look a filipina women because they cant afford the white women.
yeah
I met this American guy over the internet. My life was ok when I met him. I am studying in good university and almost done with my studies, my father can even afford me to buy a new car and got 2 houses. Not until everything falls down on my part. Got finances problem and so on. My bf offered me a lot, he want to send me money and even offered to send me back to school. I politely says NO to him becoz I only want his love and since we haven't met yet. I find it very humiliating to accept money to someone whom I never met.
To tell you honestly my bf lied at me from the very beginning and told me he is already divorced but actually NOT!They are just been separated and he is having a hard time dealing with his wife. I tried to forget him and break up with him many times but in the end I still find myself talking to him. I know what I want and I know what I feel though we have 17 years of age gap. I am 24 and he is 40.
Now to those who are saying that Filipinas like to marry a Foreigner just for the money, well you are totally wrong. Yes there are Filipinas who are after the money but please do not say all and generalize. I love him so much and I am sure of what I am feeling and I promised him to wait for him until we can get marry. If I only want easy money then hell sure that I wouldn't wait for him for there are a lot of AMERICAN men who are looking for young sexy and petite pinay and I can use my charms.
My point here is DO NOT generalize, all countries/places has its own trash.
Oh my, the person who wrote this article, and those who commented negatively about Filipinas certainly had bad experiences with us, Filipinas.
I am a Filipina living in Canada.
I am a 35 yr. old Filipina living in Canada. I am an immigrant who moved here 5 years ago. All the guys I have dated are white (Canadians). Some I would say have the yellow fever syndrome but most were really not looking at the color of my skin.
If you ever had a bad experience with Filipinas, please don't generalize us all. I don't blame you for writing negative things about us but it is not right to say that ALL share the same qualities.
I totally agree with Khay, a lot of white men are looking at bars, clubs, thinking that they can easily find Filipinas whom they can date, marry and live happily ever after with. Go there and you're maybe 90% doomed!!I once dated a guy who said that someone told him that if he goes to the Philippines, Angeles in particular, he would be treated like a king because he's white, and it would be very easy for him to find a Filipina who will literally "serve" him... WTH?!!! I didn't finish my chemical engineering degree and took up my MS in Engg to be someone else's nanny! I don't have anything against nannies or being giving to a partner, I just believe that giving a part of yourself to another persons is something that should come out of a loving relationship where both can compromise and treat eahc other fairly.
Just remember that there are Filipinas like us, who are educated, who is very independent, and who wouldn't depend on others for a living.
As for internet dating, it's a hit and miss thing. There are some nice people there but they are definitely outnumbered by the weirdos. And just a note, if you ever join these internet dating websites, make sure that you meet the guy and go out with him several times before committing to a relationship. Email, chats and online thingies are TOTALLY different from "physically" being with a person!
And all things that are written in this site is not something that is exclusive to Filipinas only. For heaven`s sake, anyone living outsive a cave would know that cunning people abound in this time and age!
I totally disagree with this.... I met my beautiful wife while we were both working in the middle east. I'm Australian and she is a filipina, we are both around the same age as well (29) . I've never been so happy as I am now we do everything together. She is very well educated, speaks perfect English and has travelled extensively throughout the world. Not once has she ever asked for money, we have sinced moved Australia and are both planning to go and live in the Philippines within the next year or so. She is such an amazing person as she sees the good in everyone, she adores me to death. I have met a lot of Filipina girls and have found them to be so nice and very generous, they are always happy and willing to help with anything.
My wife did not have a great upbringing and also came from a very small province, but she made sure she was well educated and did very well for herself in life before I met her and I adore that from her. I think the people on here that are saying all his rubbish about filipinas should go to the Philippines for a trip and instead of hanging out in dodgy bars and strip clubs, go to some decent places and meet genuine down to earth girls. Stop making stupid comments like such on the Internet when you have maybe met just one or two bad individuals that you where to stupid to see was a fraud in the first place, which is not hard to pick by the way in any country. I have never met a nicer and more loving woman than my beautiful wife, filipinas deserve respect..
@Hussla77- Hear, hear!
I think the author, and those who agree with him, should stop stereotyping and generalizing Filipinas.I think love is such a diverse and broad topic. Does it even cross your mind that finding love is never too easy? And if one relationship ends badly, it doesn't always mean that one of those two involved was at fault. The world doesn't revolve that way. There isn't only just right and wrong. How do you explain falling for your friend's man/woman? You never wanted to happen. Those people trapped in this kind of situation didn't chose it. Which path are they supposed to follow? Are they bound by the conventions of the society or their duty is to their hearts? What am I trying to point out is that not all of us are successful, yet, in finding the one. If our heart's had been broken- to some of us our pockets and wallets as well- let's just move on and live. Always give those heartbreakers the benefit of the doubt. Most people say, Love is all about taking risks. To those who were hurt/dumped/taken advantage of by Filipina women-I noticed there are lots- think of it as part of the risk in falling in love and you're one step closer to the one.
Oh and I totally agree with Adam! The Philippines is a third world country. And you must know that not everyone is receiving a good education.
not all filipinas are the same, in fact i had an aussie boyfriend,i never ask money from him since we met,it's purely love.And it happens to all women in the world,not only to filipina.
Not all Filipinas are the same,pls.don't generalize all because all race and nationality have good and bad people...There are lots of american men are happy and contented with their filipina wives.Fortunately,they found a true and genuine Filipinas,and that kind of women are loyal,sincere and nice...You have to agree that in general,Filipina women are considered as the best wives and companions ever !
Not all filipinas are into money and wanting to reside in the US. I think the americans were looking for love at the wrong side of the strip. Try to know the filipina first and try to marry someone who is relatively good in speaking, who happens to have a college degree. That there is no way you can go wrong, other than getting someone who has so many emotional baggage behind her, has family issues and being "poor".
Please as much as you wanted to help, PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY
100% correct, why it seems that everyone else here denies the obvious, the majority, NOT ALL filipinas girls simple want to use men and get as much as they can in the shortest time possible ;)
@jim You're right, Any woman can be greedy and dishonest regardless of race. You just have to explore and bet your lucky stars that you may find a nice filipina who will love you and accept for who you are. I must say, my boyfriend is also named JIM and he's from Wichita. AND i told him about this too. Wait a second THIS IS YOU.
@jim You're right, Any woman can be greedy and dishonest regardless of race. You just have to explore and bet your lucky stars that you may find a nice filipina who will love you and accept for who you are. I must say, my boyfriend is also named JIM and he's from Wichita. AND i told him about this too. Wait a second THIS IS YOU.
Everyone says "not all filipinas are the same" but this is a mostly a lie. In my 6 year experience with meetnig filipnia online and in person, I have found 95% seek money or citizinship to help their povery situation. AND its culturally acceptable to steal from Americans or foreingers because, hey they are dumb and rich. --- My store, I met her at Christian Singles, she was 24 I was 34, not too far apart. She was honest, single, not having boyfriend, sister of pastor, blah blah. Althogh these things were true, she was the biggest lier and scammer of all. Her family help perpetuate the lie. I knew her 4 years before i ask for marriage, and then after being turn down, when she learn about my money and willingness to help family, they took me to the cleaners. 10,000 USD gone! How????? Will not in one time. It took several years with many small and large reasons. But the point is I WAS A FOOLS FOOL! --- I took all the precausings, never sending money to people I never met in person. I met her family. I wrote for years. I thought I knew her, but she was a very good liar and family too. They work in harmony. --- About the other girls. 95% of online is gold digger. No way do they want you. Unless you are very handsome and young, then maybe, but you still run risk! I have so much more details but the bottom line is "The simple filipina" does not exist anymore, and if she does in some lost jungle barangay, she is NOT intereseted in Americans. All this is just becusase filipnas advertise they dont care about mans age etc. But they DO!!! -- My professional friend friend marry one for 10 years married, then she visit family and got pregnant by filipino, who suports xwife and new baby, yes almost had to due to alimony. WARNING WARNING WARNING TO AMERICANS. Filipinas are very beutiful and your dream is to marry one and avoid the hassles of women liberties in your own country. Your dream is to marry young cause you messed up with your first wife, or maybe not have one. Filipinas seem like the right asnwer for reputation, but that reputation is NO LONGER TRUE. Marry one and risk losing your life! You may take it yourself when you are living in hell. --- I like the idea if staying in the Phils so she will NOT become americanized. That seem to be the trick. But many will not accept this. And its hard for you to do. Even filipinas here in the US are cheaters. My neighbor a filipna gal would not date me because she wanted to marry a doctor MD. She suggested her friend who (to my surprise) was still married! She said her man could not have sex anymore. She wanted out. OMG. They say filipnas stay loyal past the grave. I can see this is NOT true. The Traditional Filipna is dead. to be fair maybe 1/10 of 1% are honest, god fearing and loyal. But you will always run risk. Why? Cause YOU are the forienger and her family always come first. Her filipino family, not yours and hers. -Ripped of by Filipnia
P.S. To all those who say "other countries do this, why say just filipino" -- Here is the reason: The Philippines is the ONLY country in Asia where English is taught in schools. So you can TALK TO YOUR GIRL. Any other county is much more harder. Russian do not speak English, nor Thailand or other. That is why Philipinnes is the first choice, besides the girl of course. And the filipinas know Internet is Lottery! (be mad I dont care) I am now without the money that she use to by a HOME for her family. I later learn they were SQUATERS! Explains a lot.
these women are low life whores looking for money
well, too bad for you ripeforpicking. Clearly, the girls here who completely disagree with your stand are the 5% you unfortunately haven't met.
Ten years of %*%@ and it's over! My life's savings not to mention the loss of time. All the promises by my Philippine wife with "Masters" from UP.. That's equivalent to a junior high diploma here in the USA. She took me for all I could and as for being a loving wife???? I wasn't even in the family picture! She lied, lied and lied about everything! Tagalog.... Lot's of luck living with a house full of it and all the party times. Before I go insane I'm out of here and back to living in America. Yes, That's where we live along with all her "kids" all being of adult age and should be on their own. I'm excluded by not speaking Tagalog from any information and later accused of not remembering! Hello????? This is AMERICA!! Assimilate or go back to the Philippines!! God knows I've tried to be a loving, understanding husband. I only wish there was some reciprocity. Should there ever be another in my life she'll be AMERICAN MADE!!!!
Love my filipina fiance! We have been together for 2 years now. I have been there and spent a wonderful time with her and her family. She never asks for anything. She certainly isn't all about my money as she has shown. If she was, she'd be chasing the wrong man! She knows I don't have much:) In any case, the scammers do exist and make a profession of this. However, to stereotype the fiipina woman is just a bad start. It is wise to be aware and use common sense rather than thinking with something else, but to enter a relationship with preconceived notions is a set up for disaster. Take the time to get to know a person. Is that too difficult? A marriage should be between two bestfriends. Bestfriends are not looking at how they can take advantage of each other. If she lacks patience, asks you for money early on, shows a general disinterest in you other than how soon she can get her green card, or just always makes excuses for why she can't commit to online dates, phone calls, or emails etc., then she probably isn't even the woman you think she is. This scam is an old business and not exclusive to the Philippines. If it goes sour, you could always contest her in court to prove her fraud. Anyone contemplating immigration fraud in the U.S. is a clueless dope anyway and deserves what they get.
Oh thank you for this articles.... I feel hurt this news but I'll would understand because the people who had bad comment to the Filipina had a bad experience.. please not all Filipina bad. I am Filipina too I had cousin who married foreigner but she have one son and ahappy couple.. her family not expected help, living a simple life her parents only fisherman..... but what I say to the foriegner want to meet a Filipina know her better ok.......
@toodles874 : Thank you for your post! everyhing you said is soo true! :D
Is true many oportunistic Filipinas but also some true clasy ones-Like in all cultuures there is a mix of people-As far as being the prettiest I guess you have not been to Spain, Portugal, Italy and Poland
To Shelly
It's sad that your husband was a victim to this manipulating lady.I hope he wakes up before it's too late.My goodness many women from my own countries haven't really change.Until now many thought that once they met a foreigner they would have a better life.You just said about credit stuff and so on it's true.But some women out there don't really care!
You seem to be a nice lady hope everything will be fine with you and your ex husband in the long run.
Reminder again to guys out there.DON'T BE A FOOL!
Let no pathetic girls break your heart and stole everything you have work for!!
You're an idiot. I'm pinay, and so is my mom, who has loved the same man that brought her over here over 30 years ago. And the same for...I'd say all of the other Filipino women I've met.
I've HEARD about this but not any more from the Philippines than any other country that has less to offer than the US.
Also, I've seen more women use men for money here in the USA than I have anywhere else so.......
Greetings! I have learned alot from these postings. I like many other men want to marry a good women and have a fathful relationship. I traveled to the philipines last oct to find a loving wife. I am a good man in my early 50s, never been married, or had children. I wanted to find a women here in the US. but found women that are hurtful, greedy, and crooks. If you have money your good for a while and then you loose it, while she is with someone ealse living in your house..... While in my travels in the philipines I met a young women at 25 years old. Even though I had several women to meet, she seemed to want all my attaintion. So as a nice guy I gave it to her, and discarded the others. During our first week of dating I took her to the mall to buy her a laptop, because thats all she wanted; she said, but before long I was buying her much more. Then when I thought I may have wone her with kindness, she said something that really stunded me "quote women are not cheap" un quote. It reall hurt, becaues I felt used, so I plained my escape. She cryed and didn`t let up, until I forgave her. Well after 6 months I got the visa for her to live here with the intent of getting married. She has been asking me for money every month like clock work. If I was reluctent she would start a drama episode. So I sent her money, but now after talking to a friend that is Philipno he said if she is asking for money, run fast. Any comments.... Thanks
To Steve:
Hello Mr. Steve it sounds to me you are being victimized already.If she is someone sincere,loving and honest with intentions she will never asked you to buy a laptop cause this is what she only want.I heared this story again and again.
Your Filipino friend there is right..Think about it Sir...So you won't end up with those men here who were also victimized by believing that these young girls are sincere.Im also a filipina and I know not all my 'Kababayans' are doing the same.But your description of this girl behaviour is screaming..RED FLAG: BEWARE!!
Keep things simple guys!!!
"Birds of the same feather flock together".
1) So when you marry a Pinay, it is in most cases a marry one take two deal.
Marry one Pinay and take her family and her boyfriend too.
Most of these pretty ladies have already a loving boyfriend as early as 13 or 14 years old.
In other words, once they are ready to fertilize,the boyfriend comes in.
And it may be a carry on relation forever("Birds of the same feather flock together").
You can't do anything about it. Few foreigners were even murdered by a loving B.F who didn't want to part from his G.F.
Some were murdered after the wife was fully wealth loaded.
I even saw several cases in which the B.F fertilized the wife of the foreigner LOL.
2) Most Pinay who marry a foreigner, come from the lower economic strata of the society(losers)and most foreigners are losers too(legion of the dumped losers:too old,mentally or physically handicapped,disgusting characters, ex-con...) taking advantage of the distressed situation in the Philippines.
Call it "DISTRESS WISE MARRIAGE".
When Pinay hear something bad about them they scream in unison one sentence:"NOT ALL".
Well if "not all" are "all" so why "all" scream "not all" :)?
Remember friends, that the Philippine society is not that kind which encourages individualism, so similarity among people is more striking than in the west.
Let us call the baby by it's name: Those young ladies(mostly short and ugly) who marry a foreigner are after their money.
Did you ever think about, why foreigners marry Ugly Short and Black Pinay(USB type Pinay)?
Well the answer is simple: Once a girl is pretty the Pinoy will do the best to marry her and keep her for themselves.
If the girl is tall and pretty she may end as a wife of a Japanese(as asians the Japs have better taste than the europeans).
If you want to have a good quality Pinay: Pretty, tall and well educated middle class lady, make sure you are also young well educated and good looking.
To make things more successful, better if you can get a reliable young Chinese wife, which in most cases her family will object.
Many outsiders who came here and saw the situation just turned back or remained here singles.
Night clubs and girlie bars are loaded with foreigners who split from their wives and decided to go hermit for a short time marriage(3 hours short time, is cheaper and more diversified).
Friends, my dear loveable karabao is moaning behind the door, wants to take me for a ride.
Bye
Karabao Racer.
If you are in the Philippines or meet sincere Pinoys abroad, check how many times they heard about a lady having sex with the husband of her elder sister(Ate).
I came across it few times, and it seems not too rare.
Strong family ties? LOL!
Oh yes I know what they can do. my bro in law married one call him every day e-mail evey fu>>>day. He got no job,dirty,and more. One of he's best friend said to me he need someone to work for him,clean, cook, and put him on her health care when she has the visa. When you have all those Irakien helping americains, and they can have the visa to come here. They pinays shouldn't have allowed to come here, because they are always doing prostution to married those stupid asshole, and said they are the must pretty. when you see here tx, California how much they come because they are well educated to prostitud her self. They should be more investigated by INS.
Mine just broke up with me and we had a child a year ago. While she is still married and now living with her supervisor from work. While her husband raises her first born child from the phillipines. And now she's trying to take his house , my kid , my money , and living rent free at her new place.
i had a philipino step mother who had nothing when she came to australia and become my step mother my freinds told me to whatch her i told them she was not like that she was nice a few things she done rased my supitions but did not give it a second thought untill my farther died and she showed her true side she is a very well off now thanks to 4 house bought by my dad and left to me and her 50/50 but when solictor told me that her boss a solicitor as well had set the houses up in joint tanitcy so that when my farther died they became hers and by pass the will leaving me with harf a tax bill and thats it and she wants my truck and bussines as well my farther work for me for 4 years and im told that makes him own 50% of my company go figger so sorry i fucken hat philipino brids at the moment
soy filipina desde de corazon que me disculpa todo eso,sobre me pais,,si claro que hay filipinas malas ,y de verdad que me da pina sobre eso,,,pero ti lo huro que hay muchas buenas filipinas que hasta ahora esperar so amor verdadero,ni dinerro y de nada,,,como jo ,que hasta ahora estoy esperando siemrpre quando me amor viene
I married a Filipina. She married me with the intention of staying married to me. We have been together for 17 years now. 17 years filled with constant nagging, complaining about everyone in the world, offending everyone we meet while being offended herself by almost everyone. I now believe that those in the world doing the most offending are the ones that get offended the easiest by others. I stayed with her for only one reason. We have a little girl(now 7). I have talked with a lawyer and the lawyer told me that if we divorce, I will get sole custody without a doubt. But I just can't take my daughter away from her mother, even though I provide 90% of the care and interaction for our daughter. My goal being to make sure that I provide the biggest influence in building my daughter's character, because my wife will completely destroy her chances in life if she is allowed to mold who our daughter becomes. My daughter relies on me for everything, but still loves her mother. However, My wife will come home and lay on the couch to watch a movie or get on facebook while my daughter and I play downstairs or make dinner for her. I take her to all of her events. My wife once told me "I am going to do some work tonight. Get me when she falls asleep because I want to work from my laptop in her bedroom since I have been missing her and want to spend as much time with her as I can" Huh!?!?! If I am out of the house, my wife will set up our daughter with her portable DVD layer while my wife watches her favorite TV shows. Nothing she does makes sense to me. But the worst is that she wants me to interact with our daughter while she micromanages our interaction from afar. She complains about every way I do things with her and demands that I do things the way she wants them done. It's tough, but once my daughter leaves the nest, I probably will not be far behind her. I suspect that as my daughter grows older, she will be like one of my firends. This friend says when she goes to her hometown, she has to take a deep breath and talk herself into visiting her mother while there.
I am sorry if this upsets anyone, but I see so many other guys in my situation as well.
I didn't go into the financial end of things, but never ever allow a Filipina to have access to your money!!!!!!! At least I learned this in time to legally protect the money that my parents left to me so that when I die, I will have something to pass on to my daughter. My wife has spent everything else. But I have managed to hide away $100 every month that she doesn't know about. It adds up after 10 years of smart investing.
Yes, there are people of all races who are liars and scammers, but from my global experiences, the phils has the largest percentage. It seems that lying is just part of the culture, and it has no shame. I honestly never met a person from the phils who was 100% honest. I'm not a sex tourist, nor am I fat and ugly...I'm educated, and look like a handsome movie star. I've met higher and lower class philipinos, and while some seemed sincere, 90% had a tendency to be dishonest, especially the girls trying to get to know me...Yes, it's easier to find a single attractive woman in the phils than USA, but since God does not want any man to have sex/love and happiness, there is the downside that most are just ROTTEN people..TRUST ME!!! To the pinay trying to rationalize that not all pinays are liars...yes it's a stereotype, but how do you think it got started in the fitst place? p.s. my friend tried to do some sociological research for his dissertaion in phils, but could not get enough honest people to interview therefore her data was skewed and couod not prepare a valid report....
I think if you don't do any research, you'll get what you deserve.
so stupid , i ever heared , my girl friend she si filipna, and we are for all most 1 year i teach her to knw between good and bad, i remove her badness and now she know just me and we are engaged cuz she my love of life, so this bullshit you are writing have no mean, qyou need to understand your self and listen to the one you are with and none else then see. good luck
Well, how many pinays are also fooled by the foreigners?
Cheating and greediness is everywhere dear!!
BUt of course be very careful coz filipinas are very good in acting like innocent, pure, caring, sincere and etc. excluding myself.. I just can't tolerate being someone i do not love and it is very easy to read what i feel..
I am in love with greek guy (Son's Father). He is 40 years old and im 23. I was 30% happy but 70% it's like living with lies and deceits.. He betrayed and cheated. He used to come philippines without my knowledge event he day i gave birth.
Terrible experience but atleast i have beautiful baby.. I guess theres many stories like mine..
People who are sincere they are the once cheated by foreign guys. While those greedy and cheater are the one has sincere love..
Women all over the world do this. In fact, I married a white Australian woman who not only robbed me blind after the 2 year green card period was over, but left me to chase after her coveted American black hip hop man.
I think there is a story behind every story.. If your wife changed after few years of marriage did you ask your self if you change as well. Many Americans are expecting when they marry a Filipino they married a full time made( Made is better because they have salary and proper treatment....These Americans.. They don't support their wives they control everything .. They dont give their wife even a little money to ride a bus.. when they arrive to US they isolate them .. no friends no love ones..nothing these men became abusive husbands with their language etc. Many of these women keep this anger inside of them until one day they had enough.. and decided to leave,.. Will I say good on them
I can only speak from personal experience, but i was engaged to a filipina who was a sales associate for a property company and i travelled to phils 3 times per yr, thought she loved me, im 33 shes 24, i sent money regularly for her apartment rent and was even godfather to her aunts new born baby, i met the family numerous time and had paid for wedding reception photographer and dress, only to find out when i left the phils in april that she was having an affair with her pinoy boss whose in his 50s and he was living in her apartment which i paid for and that all the money i gave her she gave to him, they had been planning for a baby and were saving money (mine i might add) to buy a house, and her whole family knew about her affair , and they kept up the act , i found out cos her boss sent me pics of them together in bed! That's the filipina way, Ive been talking to many people who have had similar experiences, most of them are looking for a quick dollar
I found a filipino women through a internet dating site. She was telling me false and misleading information to obtain money from me. Made stupid excuses like needing money for food, hospital costs ect. I did a background check on her and she was using photos from a website of a famous model in philippines. Luckily i was cautious of her so i did a pretend money transfer! She went there to collect funds and none were there and straight after i dump her. She should have known not to have mess me. around.
@MCG: I feel sorry for you...
Well it really depends on a case to case basis...
I just want to share my case also.. coz I am bothered with my situation right now… I have a lover who is a Spanish-American citizen, he is just and average man in his early 40s while me im 28 (age gap was never an issue to us because we have same interests – movies, music, etc…), I never thought long distance and foreign love affair will gonna work out until I experienced it.. Before, I hate the idea when people seeing me with a foreign guy, they would think that I’m after only for financially security and the Visa…
My man takes care of me, I just moved out to my parent’s house… I can’t deny the fact that he makes my life from Good to Better, that’s why im also afraid that I might can’t sustain the life he is providing when he decides to stop helping me.. But he insists, to choose a good place coz when he comes here, we will not stay in the hotel anymore.
I’m a Comp-Engr’ng graduate and working in an IT industry, and im taking masteral class also… im not bragging but as much as possible I don’t want people to think that I’m just after for money matters, coz I know myself.. I need more than that… Main reason why I prefer foreigner because I already have 2 kids, the fact that its not difficult to look for someone who is ideal for me (because I am educated and have career), but I knew Philippine culture, even if the guy accepts and love me unconditionally, it is so difficult to deal with his family… Foreigners are liberated, as far as I knew, they don’t care even if your single mom, and I want mature guy, who is tired of playing and wants direction in their life (let’s face it, there’s gonna be a stage in a man’s life were he needs to explore and have fun with his life..)
I thought everything was perfect, we videocall everyday, exchange passwords and lately we decided to have privacy (I agree to that also)... Before, I discovered lots of shit in his emails/facebooks, I let it go because when he came here in Phils, he only spend his time with me, and I knew that from the fact.. We were so transparent (as far as I know with myself), and I really believed that he is for real, the fact that he is sending me money every month, and he is working in my annulment (he is not a business man, he is JUST depending on his salary every 15 days).. so basically it really affects his pocket when he did send me money.. Just 3 days ago, I found out in his yahoo that he is still talking with this Filipina girl (one of the hotel staffs where we stayed before). And he is showing interest with him.. well I didn’t read any “I Love you”. But he is telling the girl that he likes her and he has to delete the girl in his facebook because I am jealous with the girl (as far as he said to me, the girl is showing interest on him, but when I read their conversation it seems he is more interested to the girl).. We are still doing good now (I dint confront him yet), I was about considering of giving him a baby this December when he comes here.. I am really puzzled with his intention to me.. Is he for real? Coz I am so in love with him, we videocall everyday, in my every day life I tell him everything, he is a bestfriend and a lover to me... but with these things that I found out.. I really don’t know what to do.. Can anyone give feedbacks?
P.S. he is also a divorcee and has 2 kids. He met already my family, my circle of friends, my officemates, I even let him talk to my ex-husband when my ex-husband came to my parent’s house to see my kids and there comes a point where me, my ex-husband and him had conference, just to let him no that I didn’t hide anything from him…
hi jujanester, actually im so much proud of u in which i read ur comments here en show ur angryness to everyone jejeje. the fact is that all white people included their women´s ha, r always have thought´s about filipinas r just aftering their money but they dont accept the trueth that their own women means the white women american en eurpean r more even worse dan filipinas coz after divorced they really force their x husband to pay the costudy of thier kids, though, even they knew thier x can´t afford to supply the demand of the kids, thier womens r really going to court to reach out the custody of support. in the additional fact is that mostly of white men are only getting the security support by the government in which they always said they support entire families of filipina, but it cn be also lied ha. some of them cant afford en some filipinas too r not aftring of money. i knew most of the filipina´s r shy, so how we cn really prove that their bad thought´s to some of filipina´s according to them are true! hayyzzzz they always telling about poor filipinas, no oppurtunity. well, all of u guy´s white people men or women, WE FILIPINA R trying hard to have a good life, coz here n our country if u have no educations, if parents cant afford to send u college, if u have no work u really have a very hard life, is not like in europe en american that the people who have no work, education r still cn stand n their life coz government pay their cost of living. suppose your government is currapt, dont think ur life r easy! all of u guy´s r just lucky borned n this rich country coz not all of u cn afford too, more also whos married of filipina r also poor, so dont so much think that only filipinas r no money! maybe im right all of u guy´s white people who´s here that u judging so much filipinas but the trueth u just make urself satisfied because u cant handle ur problem´s anymore, maybe u live in this world with debts just to show to the filipina that u r something! uuuhhhmm pretending king but hangry stomach!
cant believe there are still people with these kind of attitude....make you wonder under what rock did they came crawling out.....i assume the writer is an american assumingly protecting the interest of the american men....but did the writer omit the fact that there are also american women wishing to marry rich american men to get out of their hell hole themselves.... what ego.....but maybe not ego but ashame!
Having a filipina wife is not a dream come true, just like any other woman from other races ,they also have issues to deal with. A filipina who is educated and who has a college degree would be a sought after candidate because they are sensible and independent. On the other hand, a filipina who isn't tends to be bit desperate are the ones who, after being coaxed by their friends to try "Foreigners" because they're new money, give mix signals to men, posing provocative pictures online, that they like listening to radio or watching soap operas daily and watch movies on their profile, is as good as it gets. You won't be able to talk anything other the sun other than talk about local movie stars, their favorite shampoo and their favorite snack.
I'm not belittling my other filipina counterparts because this is REALITY. The educated ones are either happily married or are so into their careers,they could barely find a filipino man who will accept them with their stature in life. ( Still, its a stigma that filipinas who are high wagers makes filipinos insecure)
We should give all women of all races the benefit of the doubt. That all women have their agendas in life and hopefully most of them are good. It's up to the man with his skills to choose the right girl for them. If he's a douche, he'd probably end up with some bar girl and lose a lot of money for supporting her family, if he's a nice guy, he's most likely end up with some nice girl.
Guys get what they deserve. They attract women like magnet.
most of the european en american men are likely to be treated king. the fact is that most of who married filipina are POOR having a lot of debts, no work, ugly old ( but anyway they are all uglies even their women are so much ugly, putting make up so much thick, their earing is unbelievable so bigggg round but still uglies old looking people ),unhappy people men en these people are the most easy to offer money to those filipinas to capture them. showing there hundreds of dollars or euro coz when u change their hundred money it's multiply by folded thousands of peso's en for that they cn afford to buy everything of those filipinas but the trueth their money is big so they are looking rich en they achieve their dreams to be a king!
hey guy's in phil we have bad en good people, also same in ur country. bad en good r everywhere, lot's of white women are marrying rich, lot's of white women are making divorced when their hubbies no enough money is not only happened in phil but everywhere. i've notice, all of u guy's that almost of the filipina u love en like so much are so much ugly en have kids already, no educations, working in the bar's en really prostitute. if this is the way to find of filipina to be a wife, OFFCOURSE it's really money because these kind of filipina's needs money to their kids en send to their parent's which mostly happen to them that their parents care their children's cause how they can afford to hired maid, is not questions that all of u are treating good just because of money! ( except maybe if ur good looking guy ). when u come visit in phil, u know already what is good en bad. so, I AM NOT SORRY TO all of u! U GET WHAT U DESERVE! uuuhhhmm i would be never walk in the street with ugly white old male...im ashameeeeeeee! thnx GOD my husband is pinoy! some filipino's family are more rich than all of u guy's but they r not treated by king, they act as normal. ur only king to the people which need's ur handred's of euro or dollar. ( i saw white male's too having wive's from THAILAND ALL THOSE WOMEN ARE SO UGLY TOO, ALSO WITH KIDS ALREADY FROM THE PAST MARRIAGE! A LOT OF PROB. BAGGAGE FROM THE PAST SO DRAMA PEOPLE!
I've been to the Pinas to meet in person a pinay that I met online. She is over 50 yrs. old and has a college education. Her family doesn't have much money but not a poverty family either. I was expected to pick up all the checks, which I did willingly because I was "the rich Kano" haha. I plan to retire to Mindanao soon and will need help learning and adjusting to a different culture, so I will marry this pinay who I already feel comfortable with. Like any relationship between the opposite sexes, its a give and take situation. Hopefully a 50-50 deal. I know she is interested in me providing her and her family a better lifestyle, but desperate people do desperate things. All I can say is if you plan on visiting the Phils, be vigilant, use common sense and obey your instincts and be smart with your money. The majority of Philippinos are a warm and friendly people, but beware of the minority who don't like foreigners and are only looking to exploit you.
not all filipinas are money lovers..im a canadian and soon to marry my filipina girlfriend of 3 years..her aunt introduced us..after that day its been sheer fun with her..shes smart,shy,and very quite..for a teacher she doesnt make the most money back home in the phils..not once has she commented on money or monitary things..she comes from a hard working family..her father and mother love me.they are both hard working.they asked me what i do for a living.like my girlfriend there were amazed..they joked at laughed saying leave it to her to bring home a logger and arborist..i make a large amount of money here in BC canada..not once have they asked for a cent.i tried offering money to them they politely declined.after reading some horror stories here i really do feel sorry for the ones who got cheated out of ther love and money from filipinas..my best friend who is also a over size timber feller warned me about south asian women..i told him to take his opinions and piss off..not all women are out there to lie.cheat and steal..he asked me why a filipino gurl.i told him most canadian women are in huge debt,wear copious amounts of make-up and are in dead end jobs..i love my filipina people who have a hate on for them should grow the f*** up and get a blow up doll.live and learn eh!!!
Some of you gentlemen here chat/befriend/marry a filipina or two, and seem to think it is wise to jump immediately to their defense. To those filipinas here who repeatedly defend your sisterhood that not all filipinas are bad, run from those who ask for money etc...let me say this...filipinas are so skilled in wringing a man dry, they don`t have to ask for money outright. They just get the man to pay for stuff...all kinds of stuff...for them to live the good life that they never bothered to work hard enough to earn.
I am an Asian-Canadian who have come into close contact with filipinas over the years both in Canada and Asia, have close friends from the Philippines know their kind only too well. Gentlemen...before you plunge into the shark tank full of great whites, take a look at the statistics. I use the shark tank analogy because, sure, not all sharks eat people. There are angel sharks, nursing sharks, basking sharks, whale sharks who don`t eat humans. But if you choose to plunge into a tank where great whites outnumber the harmless sharks, ask yourself if you are asking for trouble. Sure there are many of you who get sucked in by them because you don`t know any better. But after you read this, you can`t say you don`t know any better any more.
Now back to the statistics. `Statistics` is defined as `an analysis of population characteristics by inference of sampling`. Ask yourself what other group/country of people has topped the filipinos/filipinas in squatting on land and property owned by Chinese people who simply cannot get rid of them; and ask yourself what other group of foreign domestic maids have ripped apart more families by sleeping with the male bosses. There are countless such instances in my home country, where illegitimate children are born. Ask yourself what other group of women voluntarily produce more illegitimate children through incongruous hook-ups than filipinas.
The filipinas don`t stop in Asia. To my surprise, a caucasian friend from Montreal just told me it is the same there...these filipinas are not here to work as domestic help. They are just interested in getting into bed with the male boss, then wrangle for financial support for herself and the baby unfortunately produce.
Those illegitimate children suffer immensely. I recently met 2 such young people quite by chance, and my social circle isn`t all that big. So imagine how many more there must be. Both were abandoned at a very young age. One ended up marrying someone 30 years her senior - ask yourself why. The other is now a foster kid struggling hard to pay his way through art school. Where is the sense of responsibility of these filipinas who bear illegitimate children with no plans or means to provide for and support them properly?
As I write this, I am feeling sorry for a caucasian friend who invited a filipina into a live-in relationship, thinking she is `nice`. He is now worrying day and night that she will nail him for 1/2 his house, as she is just refusing to move out after the relationship is long over. Why kind of woman would evade moving out after A ONE YEAR PERIOD after the man repeatedly tells her the relationship is over, no longer wants to sleep or eat together. Why does he want to end the relationship? A few months in, the lack of intellectual and sexual compatibility was all too clear. She also repeatedly tried to move the rest of her family into his house. Sounds familiar? Makes him pay for her wheels by refusing to do anything about getting her broken car fixed. Hands his car keys to her people for free rides as soon as his back is turned to go out of town. He didn`t know who was driving his car, or if that person was even insured, as his car was `borrowed` without permission, hah.
The good Chinese families wouldn`t let their sons touch these filipinas with a 10-foot-pole. So now you understand my shark analogy. As it is said, human only end up eaten by sharks for jumping into their territory.
Some try to justify their attitudes to poor government in history. Well the Chinese didn`t have it much better either, as history as proven. We don`t make this an excuse for choosing a path of dishonesty and unethical behaviour toward others. Many of us have reached out to filipinas, giving them employment and courtesy, only to find ourselves ripped off, some have our husbands stolen and family destroyed. Enough said.
yes i married one i never brought her to america but she stole my money even if she thought i didnt but i did because i war suspicious so i would count my money everyday sure enough there was always a couple of hundred bucks missing my opinion is dont marry a filipina i heard to many horrible stories leave them for there own kind
This post is for the Frenchman Adam:
Oh Adam Adam Adam,
Your article made me sick....blaming all of the ills in the Philippines on the USA. That is LUDICROUS.
By the way...look at EVERY country FRANCE occupied in the past and look at how terribly disorganized and a complete mess the French left every single country in its care!!! Haiti comes to mind...but so many others...
And then look at EVERY country ENGLAND occupied in the past and look at how wonderfully organized the English left every single country in its care!!! India comes to mind...
Il pleut grenouilles dan votre comment tres STUPIDE!!!
And yes...I do speak French and love France...but you,sir, are an IDIOT.
Monsieur Franck en Floride, Les etats Unis
@objectivelyspeaking: Seriously?! Bitter lately? The ignorance on this board is amazing...We defend our wives because they are our wives, not because they are of any one nationality. I defend the Filipina for the same reason I would defend anyone who is being singled out due to a stereotype that generalizes a whole nation of people. Any nation for that matter does not deserve it. If someone hates me simply because I am an American, chances are I wouldn't be able to carry an intelligent conversation with them anyway so what's the loss? Sadly, the ignorance of humankind never ceases to amaze me.
@toodles874: I don't know about you, but in my culture we have a proverb: He who compromises on principle in defence of a relative can end up killing someone. And no, I have no reason to be bitter, as I am not an injured party here. Just feeling sorry not for the fools who ask for it, but for those caught unaware by the snares of those people. No one here is saying that ALL filippinas are bad. I have already defined "statistics", haven't I? No one here is saying they are all bad. Even in Sodom and Gomorrah, there were good people, and God spared the good ones. Even when there were only 4.
You don't have to be injured in relation to this article to be bitter. Your post was full of negativity toward the Filipina in particular so that is why I asked if you were bitter. As far as statistics goes, it's nice and all to give a definition or state an opinion, but that is not a statistic. If you can provide statistics that provide data for the stance of your reality, I would love to look into it.
toodles874 - You weren't asking if I was better. Your post started with implying that I was being bitter, then went on to dismiss me as being ignorant and unworthy of an intelligent conversation with you, while in all that time, you have somehow managed to skip over my definition of "statistics" and shark analogy. I have provided enough facts to support my own opinion of filippinas from the many painful experiences and losses suffered by people close to me. These boards are where people share their own opinions as a result of real experiences, how you seem to miss this point is a little beyond me. I will not spare any more of my time researching to provide statistics for such an unworthy cause, as there isn't even a need to. All one has to do is to total up the number of posts by men with bad filippina experiences on this board alone, and the picture is all too clear. This is not the only board where we see such warnings about a single group of people. If there is no smoke, there is no fire. If there is no wind, there will not be waves. Again, enough said.
all anti filipinos are idiots.....old americans outsmarted by filipinas are idiots...hahaha,,,why would you go to philippines to marry? are you not getting a good american woman in your own country?????? if you are fooled, whos fault? filipinos? o common..do you all know how to choose before you marry?? why do you blame filipinas? are the women in your country the perfect women of the world???? its all your fault if you had a bad experience in your married life...in the first place, filipinas did not invite you to marry them, but you guys insisted on marrying one our beautiful ladies here......old americans are looking for pinays...why? if they marry an american woman, they will ended up in HOME FOR THE AGED...money? hahahaha....who among you us doesnt need money?????? its all your fault if you dont know haw to choose whom to marry.....in america, are your women not gold diggers?????? in phili, we have prostitutes here,,,,dont you have in your country? or let me say, theres a lot of whores all over your country.....why dont you open a forum for successful marriage between americns and filipinas??????? and you would know theres a lot.......
american women,, dont you ever know that theres a lot of american men who swears they dont want to marry you???? idiots.........
is your race a perfect race??? ewww,,youre the most racist, rude, and most nasty race.....
to all Filipinos....you rock!!!!!
these nasty americans outsource in our country...why? low cost? why not in other neighboring asian countries?
you know for a fact that we have the skills.....we serviced you, in turn you compensate us...we are not beggars....before you say we are gold diggers, what about you????
If you are pissed off by Filis,,theres a lot of countries pissed off with your race too.....
haha.i agree. there is good and bad in filipinos, and in americans theres bad and bad. MISS UNIVERSE 2011, whats your place USA? how about Ms Philippines who spoke straight english in Q and A portion?
filipinas are not at all bad, some americans are just easy to fool...
objectivelyspeaking.....what statistics are you talking about? hahah, a poor one? whoa are your respondents? what kind of method did you use? personal opinion? poor study......
This is starting to amuse me...I have to agree with toodles874 here..."Sadly, the ignorance of humankind never ceases to amaze me." The whole point of my definition of "statistics" is that there is no need for any. A look at the sampling is a good enough indication...a point that toodles874 has ironically seemed to miss, for someone lamenting on the ignorance of the rest of mankind. I don't think too many people in this world would be interested in spending valuable time in harvesting data on the actual numbers of filippinas/os maliciously squatting on others' properties, sleeping with male bosses destroying families while working as domestic maids, scamming caucasian men on the internet for $$, voluntarily conceiving illegitimate babies to collect support money etc etc etc, to compile any such statistics.
Interestingly, the only "statistic" I have come across on this subject so far is on this board right here...posted by a Filippino lady...and what better to get it from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Here's what she had to say:
Lara 9 months ago
out of 100%, 80% are opportunistics & materialistics, 15% doesnt really cure. and 5% are american haters. anyway, i'm a filipina. and i'm one of the 5%.
What prompted ultramagnus' original post here in the first place, but for the infamy that filippinas have created for themselves internationally. Take a look at the following (another objective) comment posted by this gentleman:
Brian555
. If only these men could be sitting where I was, if these giggling scammers really knew I understood every word uttered to the friends standing out of camera view, pushing her to ask for more....never in any of my travels worldwide had I seen such an open, disgusting behaviour as these filipina were showing. Filipina have a terrible reputation worldwide, and I've seen first hand on many occasions why they have this reputation.
(scroll up on this board to read his entire post if you wish)
I am not sure I will comment further on this, but will continue to see how far this debate on "statistics" will go. Controversy is what makes boards like this interesting. I am glad I have done my part;)
A parting word for toodles874 -- I wish for nothing but the best for you and your fiance. Perhaps you are one of those extremely lucky men who managed to find the gem in a haystack, and I wish you both well and a lifetime of happiness. The last thing I want is to see a sad post from you a little ways from now, like the so many on this board. After all, those men must also have been confident and happy as lark in the beginning, just as you are now.
To those here challenging me on "statistics", someone here actually posted on why there isn't any available. It seems his friend tried to write a thesis in sociology on this subject but couldn't find enough honest pinays to interview and therefore unable to file a valid report. There you have it. Here's his post to save you the scrolling:
sinungaling ka 2 months ago
Yes, there are people of all races who are liars and scammers, but from my global experiences, the phils has the largest percentage. It seems that lying is just part of the culture, and it has no shame. I honestly never met a person from the phils who was 100% honest. I'm not a sex tourist, nor am I fat and ugly...I'm educated, and look like a handsome movie star. I've met higher and lower class philipinos, and while some seemed sincere, 90% had a tendency to be dishonest, especially the girls trying to get to know me...Yes, it's easier to find a single attractive woman in the phils than USA, but since God does not want any man to have sex/love and happiness, there is the downside that most are just ROTTEN people..TRUST ME!!! To the pinay trying to rationalize that not all pinays are liars...yes it's a stereotype, but how do you think it got started in the fitst place? p.s. my friend tried to do some sociological research for his dissertaion in phils, but could not get enough honest people to interview therefore the data was skewed and couod not prepare a valid report....
It may be true but then again all over the world there are people/females looking for oppurtunities. I met a wonderful woman from Manila, she's attractive, kind, soft hearted and we planning to get married next year and I was the one who suggested we reside in my country which is Namibia. She's not an oppurtunist, she's one in a million and if could marry her next week, most certainly i would.
Why you guys are fighting in the first place here?
Wherever you go, there is always cheater and the one cheated. As i myself has been cheated and hurt by a foreign man.
Most of foreign men thinks we ASIANS are innocent and can be fooled. How many foreigners treat Asian like their doll. They can fuck, make them preggy and leave the country like nothing happen. OH COMMON!!
If you are cheated and betrayed, don't you want to count pinays who are cheated too?
Again, cheaters and the once cheated are everywhere. You just need to be careful and wise.
I read the Blog post above with great interest. While I empathize with the writer, I can also see an underlying seething anger against women of other races. Is this the reason why filippinas seem to see it fit to sleep with the husbands of women of other races, tearing apart families, like it is some type of revenge? I say “other races” because the same happens in Asia, not just America.
American and Canadian women are ripped off big-time by Nigerian internet scammers too. The scenario described by Brian555 on this board of filippina internet scammers in internet cafes is starkly similar to that of Nigerian internet scammers. I was myself on internet dating sites a couple of years ago, and met 4 Nigerian scammers pretending to be British engineers or high-ranking American military officers. These scammers are not very educated people, and it takes quite a fool to fall for their schemes. I asked one for his address in London (England), which he promptly provided. Within 15 secs. I was looking at the street view of his supposed “mansion with a swimming pool” on Google satellite. It was a low-income apartment block beside a railway track in a bad part of town. I say low-income because I Googled up real estate prices of that block too. I followed a thread on the name of the scammer who tried to fool me and found out quite a few American women had sent him $$ to the tune of thousands.
Anyway back to the main story. Why are we on this blog? What key words did we use to land on this blog? Certainly not “good experiences dating filippinas”. The key words I used were “bad experiences dating filippinas”, and this board came up No. 1 on Google Page 1. Which brings to mind...why are the men claiming they are dating the “one in a million” even here on this board? What key words did they use to bring them here? If they are so sure of their filippina gf being a great potential wife, why is there a need to search the web on this subject? Are there any boards for “good experiences dating filippinas?” Only filippina dating sites came up for that search string...the same sites where American men looking for “good experiences” meet filippinas, get stung and bitten, then come post here to warn other men. Anyone noticed that the men here who praise their filippina gfs have met her online not for very long, so I guess form their conclusions based on long-distance communication and hearsay. The men who post warnings here have married filippinas and relate their experiences after years of being with one. What conclusion do we draw here? I would say Buyer Beware...big time!
Someone here said one should know the filippina’s family before marrying. Here’s an American man who met the whole family, a very rich and successful one at that, and here’s his story: http://panique.wetpaint.com/ It’s a very long story, at the end of it, we read that the FBI was involved as he was scammed some $12,000.
Does anyone know there are investigative agencies foreign men can hire to check out if their potential filippina gf is for real and not a scammer? I found one by chance: http://www.pointmancebu.com/filipina_scammers_in_c If internet scamming by filippinas is not rampant, there wouldn’t be such agencies, would there? Guess what, they have been in business 17 years, so filippina scamming has been going on for that long...wow.
And BTW, corporate America will outsource anywhere in the world where it is most profitable for them...it’s a capitalist society here. Any country can benefit tremendously from their outsourcing. Everyone knows the country that benefited most is China. As they get rich, they also go on to produce world-class entertainment such as this: http://torshow.com/ - watch the video. Why does American outsourcing to the Philippines have to be met with such angry words as those by the filippina who posted the previous blog? What’s wrong with this picture?
The socio-economic problems of the Philippines is no secret to the world. Those interested in statistics can see some here: http://www.txtmania.com/trivia/social.php The government seems to be exporting women as a commodity, see the para on “Vagina Economy”. How very sad. As a woman, this hurts me too.
The way to succeed in life is to work hard with self-respect and dignity, not in harbouring a vengeful attitude against those who have more, then whore oneself as a means of revenge, or entitle oneself to another’s hard-earned assets: http://www.bukisa.com/articles/274658_squatters-in and http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/column
Once again, enough said.
objectivelyspeaking,on one of your last posts, you just said what I was looking for so why turn it around on me? I was simply asking for statistics. Yes! A person or persons would certainly "waste time", as some would say, on obtaining the data. The data is what is needed to make a statistical analysis. People talking back and forth is not. That was the only point I was making. Claiming something is a statistic purely on your on experience is not an emperical study of any kind. You are probably on to something, yes, but biased experiences or experiences of those you know are not valid and reliable statistics. This was the only point I was making. As far as my statement on the ignorance of humankind, I was speaking in general hence "humankind". Don't take it personal. Why would I direct such a statement at anyone personally? People can read what they just wrote and decide for themselves if that is how they truly want to reflect to others.
A last note for now. I am more likely to get divorced if I did marry an American woman rather than a Filipina woman. The American divorce rate is a statistic easily searchable. I could not care less where she is from, what color her skin is, what ethnicity she is. Women are beautiful all over this world, but they can also be as equally deceptive and crazy. Everyone has the capacity to be evil and the capacity to love. Despite the environment, socioeconomical, inherited influences etc., all people have to decide what they will be responsible for because one way or another, they will be held accountable for their actions by someone at some given time. Anyway, it does make for interesting discussion. However, I feel the author of this was simply bitter and used this outlet to lash out and vent. I can't blame the person. I am sure there is a similar blog about American women out there too somewhere. I have never inquired and don't care to. I have a life time of experience with them, and I could write my own blog about it. However, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything here. They are just women. Some conditioned for this and some conditioned for that. I'd rather get hurt taking a chance than miss out on the potential of a wonderful relationship regardless of what region of the world she happens to come from.
as emievil stated in the very first post: Uhm, not that I don't agree with what you wrote here but I think these traits are not exclusive to Pinays. Other women from other countries exhibit them as well.
That pretty much sums it up.
Hi toodles874, nice to see your posts.
I never said "all" from start to finish in my original post. Hence my "shark tank" analogy.
Some day down the road, there may be actual statistical data published on this subject, likely by a doctorate student compiling data for a thesis, when he/she finds enough honest people in the Philippines to interview. By then, you and I would probably be too old to care :O
BTW, this is the stuff self-fulfilling prophesies are made of: "I am more likely to get divorced if I did marry an American woman rather than a Filipina woman."
No one should paint everyone with the same brush. This is why we treated our filippina domestic help like family, until some of us found them in bed with our husband within a few short months. The damage done was permanent and irreversible.
After so many negative experiences with a particular group of people, one can't help but form an opinion of them. After all, don't we say "live and learn", "once bitten twice shy"... Why do employers check references before hiring? Why are HR experts using FB to size up incumbents? Therefore, be wise my friends.
One can wait till statistics get published and pray it wouldn't be too late for us by then. Or, one can draw insights from the experiences of others.
Someone here advised others to marry in the Philippines instead of the US. Well, I would say be sure to read the following excerpt from the Wetpaint board written by the man who got scammed $12K:
I am writing this to warn every Ex-pat who exhibits a passion for a young Filipina wife that he examines and understands the possible circumstances that occur in the Philippine judicial system on a regular basis.
The U.S. Consulate claims in Cebu alone, one man a week is brought to his knees by the “woman and children harassment law” IRR9262 which removes the husband for a distance of 100 meters from his home, car, bank accounts, child’s school, place of worship and even the places the family frequents.
Today, the lawyers are using this law to evacuate these men often on “hear-say”. A woman can go to the local barangay hall and ‘blotter’ mental harassment. With this record and a little help from your local “ambulance chasing attorney,” this is enough to start the proceedings for the husband’s warrant. No physical violence need be recorded.
This protection order separates everything from the man until the court chooses to reverse the status. Unfortunately, the courts are always in favor of the Filipina woman. Stripped bare, most men find themselves returning to their country. The Consulate advises every man in this situation to “stop bleeding and go home”. It’s a waste of money trying to pursue it.
objectivelyspeaking,
wheres the statisctics here? blog/sites you are posting as your reference are bias..you just look for the negative among filipinos, what about the positive? STATISTICS? WHERE? these are merely your personal opinions...analogy is not a statistics, do you know that? give us a data of your statistics.....hahaha,,you are a poor specimen.
objectivelyspeaking,
objectivelyspeaking,
hey, if you are going to defend these writings on a panel, this is a failure....are you sure of your statistics? are you filipina hater? why dont you make writings about how bad is an american woman? european? other asian women? why filipinas?.........if you say statistics, who are your respondents? oh common...you are posting bias sites.....
THE AUTHOR HERE NEEDS TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL....
I am not hear to concoct stories about women of any particular race. Since I haven't come across any bad stories about women of other races, there is nothing to post or write. We are writing here because there is a disproportionately high number of horror stories posted by men about filippinas than about any other group of women.
The dictionary will explain the definitions of statistics, census and sampling, feel free to check there. I have already written enough about statistics and sampling above, if the "laughing and loving writers" above can't comprehend that, sorry I can't help anymore.
Analogy is sometimes better than statistics, as statistics can be skewed by dishonest people telling lies when interviewed. Someone else here already wrote about not having enough honest people in the Phils to compile reliable statistics. No, I do not copy and paste negative postings about filippinas from other blogs on here. There is actually one titled "filippinas-liars" with lots of men posting there about how filippinas lie so naturally it is like second nature to them, about how they double-talk with forked-tongues all the time, say one thing and mean another, lie to the man about the son being brother, and the lover being the brother-in-law etc etc, but I did not paste anything from there on this blog. There is another blog about how some filippinas can get violent and physically beat up and throw things at their caucasian husbands in public, no I did not copy from there to paste here either.
I am not the only well-travelled person here who has negative opinions about filippinas. A number of men here who have lived and worked internationally share the same negative opinion about filippinas in comparison to women of other countries/races.
As for other Asian women, now that China is opened up and everybody from young to old are learning English, I can see caucasian men increasingly going to China instead for love, romance and marriage rather than the Phils, for several reasons...more caucasian men will be sent there by companies to work in the many developing industries unlike the Phils where there is hardly any...Chinese women are novelty to caucasian men since they were previously inaccessible unlike filippinas who are pretty much old news by now...and Chinese women are tall, fair and slim around the waist even after having babies, definitely not USB (ugly short brown) as described by one of the men here of filippinas (sorry not my words I am just quoting).
In fact, there are a good number of Chinese girls already here in the US and Canada in international business schools' adult education programs. A caucasian guy friend of mine recently married one. I think he is really smart to find an Asian wife this way. She is already in school here, so there is no need for the type of risks and expense going East to find her. A wife from business school is potentially an asset who can earn her own keep and contribute financially to life after marriage, not a complete liability who does nothing but bleed money, expecting the man to pay for everything.
So yes, Chinese women are definitely the emerging group for romantic interests to caucasian men. In a few short years, there will be less of these negative stories about filippinas because the men will get smart with them, and instead go to China for love and marriage rather than the Phils. What type of stories about Chinese women whether good or bad remains to be seen, as they haven't happened yet.
its nonsense, my brother and uncle were married to Filipina and they were happy...theres bad and good in every culture. if you are talking to chinese as good, well, i know a lot who are uneducated, nagging, demanding, ill tempered bitches here in USA..
Aha...I knew that was coming from the filippinas. I have no interest engaging in any dialogue with filippinas on this board, as we have nothing in common. The title of this board is "Be very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines" so don't try to deviate from the subject to American and Chinese women in the US. This is the reason ultramagnus and many other men started boards like this one to warn men. Why are filippinas even here rebutting true but negative comments about them? What key words did they use to find this board? "Bad experiences dating filippinas"? So they know themselves.
Nothing is secret these days with the internet. If there is bad news about women of any other race, be rest assured men will write about them on the web.
I made my first post because of the injustice I saw my friend suffering in the hands of a squatter filippina in his house refusing to get out. What surprised me was the amount of posts by other men already here and on numerous other blogs, some with far worse experiences than that my friend is suffering. Honestly, it makes me a little sick in the stomach reading about these filippinas. They are capable of far worse than I thought I knew about them.
I have said my piece on here, generated the awareness I have intended, and will not be posting any more for now. I may come back, I may not, but likely not.
All the best to the men out there on your search for love and a life partner. Watch your back with these filippinas.
Why wouldn't anyone defend themselves when one side of the coin is being presented here? That is like saying, "Why did black people in America fight for civil rights when the preconceived notion was that they weren't entitled to equality?" Sounds silly doesn't it. The fact is that people are not the same anywhere in the world, and they are not the same due to the region they were born in. My Filipina fiancee is educated and works in health care. She has no need to come here, yet, she will to marry me and start a life with me. We are not getting married there because of the bureaucratic mess it would entail. Yes, experiences tell us a lot. However, I could easily have a negative perception of black people here because some people in my life of black color have treated me poorly. So what? Haters and scammers come in every shade. It is just another facet of the dark side of human nature. Experiences don't always guide us in the right direction. As far as infidelity goes, the hired help sleeping with the husband is absolutely wrong, I agree, but what about the husband? Why is the husband not to blame as well? The hired help made an immoral decision in the sense of fornication whether the man was married or not. However, the married man made an immoral decision by fornicating and breaking trust, loyalty, faithfulness, and a lifetime commitment to another. Is the entire race guilty of this act because some men and women take part in these acts? Absolutely not! By the way, was he a Chinese man or American man? Why would I even ask this? It doesn't matter what "kind" of man he was! Also, I understand the self-fulfilling prophecy. However, I was simply stating my observation of a statistic. This is not setting myself up with any preconceived notions. It is what it is. By the way, pointing this out to me is somewhat contradictive since your whole debate is derived from your experiences and what you call statistics. Aren't you setting yourself up for a self-fulfilling prophecy by thinking with these convictions? I mean, will you ever give another Filipina or Filipino a chance or not? Will you continue to let a bad story shape your perception of an entire nation? When we think so narrowly about others, is it any wonder why there is hate, violence, and wars in the world? This discussion might be on a micro scale, but the mentality is not much different from the driving forces behind prejudice and discrimination.
One more thing just so we have an understanding. I realize through what is presented on the internet that there is a prevalence of foreign men being taken advantage of in the Philippines. However, this prevalence appears to be within the drastic age difference groups. Meaning, older, sometimes retired men go looking for a woman that is 20 years or more younger than them. I think this is a setup for disaster in most cases in itself. The same would most likely happen between an American man and woman. The article should be revised to be titled "Be careful when marrying a woman much younger than you no matter where she is from" with the subtitle being "Do you ever stop to think why a woman young enough to be your daughter would have any real romantic interest?" I think this would make a great article! There is certainly more to write about and it focuses on the specifics of a matter rather than singling out a nation of women.
Toodles874, you sound exactly like my friend when he first started with the filippina and now finds himself stuck with a squatter who is using every delay tactic possible to stay in his house till she gets legal status of 1/2 his property. I am not saying you will end up like him, but when he started with her, he roo was over the moon happy, so sure he even talked marriage soon after the relationship started, because she came across as so very wonderfully perfect in every way. The truth only came out slowly, as she was concealing many important facts about herself from him, things that would have made her not someone he'd look for in a partner. He fell for her only because she carefully kept those truths from him. Somewhere on another blog, a few men have also commented on how their filippinas conceal facts about themselves and gave them only half-truths in the beginning. My friend now faces the prospect of having to legally remove her but being the gentleman, is trying to avoid such a scenario. And he is by all counts a very smart, well-educated professional man who is well-read and careful in his management of life. None of us expected him to be caught in such a trap. Unlike you, he did not search the web for blogs like this for comments on filippinas. He is not gullible but one of those who respects all people equally, assuming that everyone everywhere in the world shares the same values of honesty and good ethics like he does. He also prides himself on being non-discriminatory and non-judgemental. This is the reason we feel so bad for his current situation, and feeling adamant because he had worked so hard his whole life to own his house. Yeah sure you can say this is just an isolated case happening to my friend only. He had never expected a woman to turn into something totally different once moved in, repeatedly going back on her word, promising to move out, then when the day comes, has a new excuse for being unable to do so. From all the other blogs I have read, my friend's is certainly not an isolated case.
As for maids sleeping with the male employer, in my home country there are maids from the Phils, Sri Lanka, and Indonesia. Only the filippinas are so well-known for sleeping with the male bosses. How else would one form such an opinion of them? As for the men to be blamed as well...this is what's so puzzling. The filippina maids are rough, short, brown and uneducated compared to the wives who are fairer, taller, better-educated and professionals, sharing financial responsibilities including paying the maid's salary, some are doctors and lawyers. Which reminds me...what kind of people would sleep with the husband of the woman who pays her salary? Why would the men be attracted to the maid? Oh is it because all those educated professional women were bad wives and therefore the ones to be blamed for the husbands sleeping with the maid? Or is it because it is just a guy-thing to try out the maid too? But then why only with the filippina maids and not the Sri Lankan or Indonesian ones?
You can go ahead to scoff and dismiss this as stupid superstition and ignorance, but in Asia, we know certain groups of people are known to play black magic and use voodoo charms to entrap men, and the native phils are one of those groups. Again and again, we saw very smart and educated men throwing away wife and family for those filippina maids. Unless you grew up in Asia, you shouldn't argue with me on this one.
Ok, I have better things to do with my life and my time, with more than one business to run, and various engagements this week. Our exchange ends here, and all the best to you.
In response to toodles874's comment, my friend's filippina is not 20 years younger, they are both young and of compatible age.
And...how does the presence or absence of officially published statistics (derived from inference of sampling) change what's already been reported so extensively by so many men from the US alone, not to mention men from other countries posting in languages other than English, over so many years going back in time?? If one were to try an officially compile any statistics, shouldn't it be these same men to comprise the sampling??? There are many of them in Europe and Japan. This is not a (self-fulfilling) prophecy as toodles874 tried to put it. This is a well-documented phenomenon. Japanese men don't report these things online, doesn't mean they have not married filippinas and got taken for a ride.
There is no divorce in the phils, only expensive annulments that their people can hardly afford. So just because easily accessible divorce statistics in the US indicate close to 50%, does that mean marriages in the phils are all hunky dorie?
I grew up among very poor people in Asia. I know for a fact whoring oneself to foreigners is NOT the ONLY way out of poverty. It is a choice that brings so much shame even a lifetime of lies and excuses will never be able to cover it. Let alone making a national culture of it to the point where an unwholesome image of a single group of women is plastered all over the internet. There are many other dirt-poor third world countries where women are sold down the river sometimes by their own family just to put food on the table. Many East European and South Indian women are even tricked or kidnapped into prostitution...AGAINST THEIR WILL! And no, these women do not behave like the filippinas, or get written about similarly by men internationally like the filippinas are. Go figure. If I have any adamance, it is on behalf of all womankind who have self-respect and dignity, who work a real job whether domestically or abroad no matter how hard, in order to break free, with trust in God. There is a difference between working a dignified job no matter how menial to survive and be thankful for it, and having access to a man's bank account/house/car/credit cards in the name of a deceitful marriage.
No I do not hate filippinas. In fact, the word "hate" is most often used by filippinas themselves, on this board, and others I have come across.
correction: "included in the sampling" not "comprise the sampling".
There are beautiful women around the world. But only Brazilian Woman has all the qualities in one person.
what the hell all american talking about ? they don't even know that american women only wants tom marry a guy with a big job and lots of money ? where is the love about it? what kind of brain do you have? losers
sorry for all white man who had bad expirience for having relation with filipina woman,maybe you just not choose the good one coz all filipina is not same.evrywhere in the world have good and bad maybe much bad and worst than pilipino,,
And so I just finished watching a TV documentary "Banged Up Abroad", about this British guy who had a baby with a filippina in Manila, almost lost his life when her ex-husband hired people to car-chase them down busy city streets, shooting at them with a gun. Turns out she was still married the whole time, with 3 children looked after by her parents and siblings, has an unsettled divorce, and having a baby with a foreigner. What if any stray bullets hit or killed any innocent people on the busy city streets?? Her plan was to have the white guy pay $10K for a fake passport for the baby so she (and the baby) could get out of the country.
Why a man would go to the phils, hook up with a still married filippina, have a baby under those circumstances is beyond me. So this filippina/white man hook up is all in the name of love?? Ask yourselves...would a woman who abandons her own children so she can run away with a foreign man be capable of love? It seems to me from all my readings that filippinas are always talking about 'love'. Where is the love when her own children are all of a sudden immaterial and non-consequential upon meeting a foreign man?? Can a woman capable of just walking away from her own flesh and blood be capable of love? What is the filippina's definition of love here? Really.
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This is a very recent case. The American husband came got out of the US prison only a few months ago. He was a brilliant scientist who flew to the phils to meet a filippina after being pen-pals (before filippinas had access to the internet they advertised for pen-pals). He was 38 when they met, not some fat and ugly old toad. Fell madly in love because she was the most beautiful creature he ever laid eyes on, brought her to the US, married her, housed her in a million $$ mansion in a gated community, gave her all the luxuries any woman could ask for. The American husband hired a gardener to plant the many trees she wanted in her backyard. Next thing you know, she was committing blatant adultery with the gardener right under the husband's nose. Oh and btw, around the same time, the American husband's business took a downturn, so he was becoming less rich. She made the American husband take care of the 3 children, called him all sorts of ugly hurtful and insulting names, as she took off to commit more adultery in cheap motels. So love never grew (even if she didn't marry him for love) after more than 10 years of marriage and 3 children, that she could so easily walk away from her children and husband when a new man came along and the husband got less rich? The American husband lost his mind and killed her. The jury refused to find him guilty of murder, only for manslaughter. Why do you think the jury reached such a verdict? I would say because they felt sorry for the poor American husband.
Sure, this was another one of the 'bad' filippinas. There are lots of good ones, go look for them in the phils. I started this post with the documentary of the British guy on "Banged Up Abroad" didn't I?
I am sure there must be good filippinas too. But are they the ones who advertise to meet foreign men when they are still married with children...the ones foreign men hook up with through the internet? Go ask yourself.
After reading up profusely on internet information regarding filippinas, I have come to conclude that filippinas don't see committing blatant adultery and abandoning their own children as anything bad at all. It is all acceptable behaviour to them, perhaps even a culture.
Therefore, does one not think it is foolhardy for a foreigner with a whole different set of values and ethics to assume they can find a soul mate in someone so different at the core? Is that the reason for the many horror stories about filippina hook-ups posted all over the internet. It takes so many factors for a marriage to work well enough to last a lifetime. Compatibility, other than chemistry, ranks among the very top. A smart man will know not to confuse chemistry with lust. It takes time to really know a person. How is that possible through chatting on the internet, flying over for a couple of short vacations a year. It doesn't take a genius to recognize this recipe for disaster. Yet, illegitimate children are conceived during these short vacations, then come the talk of buying land or property in the phils (oh great deals abound when 1000 PHP is only USD23 wow pocket change for the Americans) or even better marry the filippina in the US. Yeah sure, the filippina is educated and has a job and doesn't need to leave her family behind...only for love with the American man. Did I hear that most white-collar jobs in the phils pay about USD1000/year, and nurses there make the equivalent of less than USD150 a month? No, they don't need to leave behind their family, children and country, but for love. Sure.
Perhaps there is a way out of poverty as a country, aside from exporting/exploiting their women. How about developing a good strategy to capitalize on the tourist business? After all, the phils has beautiful beaches, full of beautiful people and inexpensive services. Then stop hijacking tour buses and shooting at the tourists already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_hostage_crisis
Chinese tourists spent $6B on shopping at their international tour destinations last year. The Philippines is strategically positioned to capitalize on this, given their very different culture which makes for interesting travel for the Chinese. If only the phils would be willing to work and prosper like the other Asian nations, their women may not have whore themselves and abandon their children who will grow into the next generation of whores and heartless runaway moms. Or is this what they would rather do than work a real job like all the women in other Asian countries? I don't know the answer. But I truly hope not.
I have to agree that their are a percentage whom behave this way. However, their are many whom mary for various reason like my Mother whom is from Cebu of Espanic orgin, which a percentage of philipino's come from. My Mother's marriage I realise know as my Father that it was based on the colour of his skin which is "White". Because of my Mother's Espanic background I noticed in her family a general dislike and of looking down at the dark coloured philipino's. This attitude only applies to a percentage of Philippino's not all.
I've had 2 experiences with filipinas. The 1st one was a nightmare in hell, and 2nd one, oh well, I finally got lucky and it's been heaven for me since.
I married a filipina of the same age when I was still in the military and we had a daughter. Her family migrated in the US when she was still young and she basically grew up there. Though we never really had any monetary issues, but damn, that woman is a bitch and made my life miserable, even after we got married, she still wants to party like a single person with her sister, and I don't know if she wakes up every morning thinking of how she will make me even more miserable. I tried to be patient for the sake of our child. After I got out of the Marines, I went to school and was able to get a job in a Multi-national company and my first assignment was in the Philippines. I thought maybe if we move there, we can concentrate on our marriage and that she might change. But I was wrong. while in the philippines, she would leave me for 2 months 4x a year and got back to the US with our daughter. soon before my assignment ended, she went to the US and left me here for good. I trusted her all our finances, and my money. She promised to send me a ticket to go back home, but she never did. She sent me a divorce paper instead. It only took a couple of months for me to spend the little money I had left, then I was flat broke. It gets worse, my visa is expired and I couldn't afford to renew it.
In a friend's birthday celebration at a restaurant, I saw a very young lady walked-in. she was with her friends. She is not the typical Filipina, i can easily tell. She has fair & smooth skin, petite, with amazing body, beautiful and classy. She's the first filipina that intimidated me. I couldn't get my eyes off her. What are my chances of hooking up with girl like her? But I took chance and gave her my number with the help of a waiter. 2 hours later she texted me.
We went later on. She even offered to pay half of our bill on our first date, which was really impressive. She is very soft spoken and nice, yet very liberated and open-minded at the same time. She is also well educated and very smart. A trained classical musician who reads Ayn Rand. Blah... blah... blah... we ended dating with no emotional attachment, oh well, at least for her, but I couldn't help falling for her. After a while, she finally allowed me to come to her house, her parents' house. They live in an upper-middle class subdivision, she has a very impressive family background. Her parents are both profesionals, and her dad is also a part-time minister. I trying so hard to be a gentleman, asked her dad first if I could ask his daughter to be my GF, he did not say yes or no and told me it was up to his daughter and he'll respect whatever she decides. She finally agreed. That went well.
I know she wasn't after anything, like money or greencard, I am an illegal alien in philippines and has no money, I couldn't even afford to buy my ticket to go back home, let alone bring her with me. She understood my situation and offered to help me out. At first I refused, but life was really hard for me, and I gave in eventually. She moved me from the shabby room I was renting out into a decent house in their village. and though we weren't living together yet, she was paying for my rent (shame on me) and helping out on my bills and food. She even helped to get a job. She would take me to my job interviews and wait till I'm done, until I finally scored a job. Then we found out she's pregnant. That changed everything. Her parents were very angry so she left and moved-in with me. She never asked me once to marry her or anything, even after she had our baby. After all she had done, I was just a douche bag. I ended up cheating on her with some cheap pussy at work, and when she found out, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. She got me fired from my job, and kicked me out of our house. I don't blame her. I eventually realized what I did wrong, and ask for her to forgive me, and she did, and so I finally asked her to marry me, and we did. Her family, especially her father took care of everything, and I didn't have to spend a dime exept for transportation. She paid for my overdue visa and petitioned me as permanent resident.
Life with her so much easier. She doesn't want to live in the US as she have joint business with her dad here. She is a full-time housewife but have her own source of income. I have no problem with her handling our finances. She's been my angel ever since. Its been 8 years and we've had 3 beautiful kids, and yet, nothing has changed about her. She takes care of herself really well. She looks almost the same as when I first met her. She kisses me good morning everyday, and though she has maids, she personally make me breakfast, and packs me lunch every single day. She also never missed to walk me to the door and ask me to take care when I leave for work. When I come home, she welcomes me with her good food on the table. And at night, not doesn't miss to kiss me goodnight and tell me she loves me before we go to sleep. I sure cannot imagine how my life will be without my filipina wife, she is my best friend and I trust her with my life. And it gets better, she is also bi-sexual. And she allows me to have that benefit on my birthdays. I know you must be thinking I'm just bullshitting, but this is all true, and I have my perfect filipina wife. There's not a lot of them good filipinas out there though. I've been with worse ones before until I met my angel.
If your life and wife are so perfect Dirktooth, what brought you to a board such as this one, and for you to be interested enough to make a post?
I was just reading around about how filipinas are being perceived in general because I have been trying to convince my wife to move and live in the US. But she doesn't want to because according to her, she doesn't wanna be a part of demographic statistic whereas a filipina marries a foreigner and use him to get to the US. and she knows that people are going to look down on her and misjudge her once she live there. And true enough, this board says it all. Though I don't blame those who had a terrible experience with a filipina, I had a very very bad experience myself with my first wife. But this vast generalization is too much. There are good filipinas out there, and the good ones aren't for sale. they don't advertise themselves on the internet or any other way. It just happens. and number one trick to know their intention is to tell them that you are broke and never give them a dime. that's pretty basic I think when you are dating a filipina and wants a serious relationship, money cannot be involved. get the money out of the way, and you'll see her true intention.
Your wife is a really smart woman, more power to her! By the way, if she is fair-skinned and her parents are not caucasian, she is probably of Chinese descent or of that mix. There are many in the Philippines and they are not the filippinas referred to on this board and others with such disdain. I myself have Chinese-Filippino friends who are classy, educated, poised and from good families. But they no longer live in the Philippines. They tell me about the squatter situation, corruption, mismanagement, sub-par government and the behaviour of filippinas from the provinces. All in all, the Philippines have a really poor image to the world. Someone said adultery is rampant and if the adultery law were to be enforced, 75% of the population will be in jail. Filippinas also seem to think nothing of dumping their children to leave the country with a white man. What's with that?
By natural law, nothing in human nature is absolute. It is by sampling that statistics are compiled. If a single group of women are gaining such ill-repute, the red flags become too obvious even before official statistics are available.
Your wife is also well-informed about the reputation of filippinas in the US. And it is not the Americans or Chinese who sneer at filippinas seen with white men here. It is their own people who pass remarks of insult toward them. So again we think...what a bunch of rotten people are these. Those married to pinoys behave very poorly in public too, being rude, loud and ill-mannered, shout the F word right in front of their young children. There is a mall that bans filippino kids from entering because they play truant and hang out in large groups in the mall, shoplift and litter. They are even referred to as "flip"s - "f***ing little island people". That's how filippinas raise their children after they get out of the Philippines?? I once had a filippino manager who tried to lie and skate his way through the job, the American CEO fired him in no time. We wondered how he got hired and if he lied on his resume. Someone on another board said there is a filippina in her company who goes around asking the men if they want to marry her nieces from the Philippines. People just look at her and walk away. Gee-whizz...I have never come across anyone cheapening themselves like that. Then there are men on dating sites who talk about how easy it is to get hook-ups with married filippinas...and how they are facilitated in houses where orgies take place. After we hear and see all of this in a single group of people, can we help but form an opinion? I have personally conversed with them and seen how they lie back and forth, go back on their word, say one thing then turn around to do the opposite, as if the person they are talking to is either blind or stupid or both. Seriously, what's the matter with these people. Respect and credibility need to be earned.
On another note, you wife is also wise in preferring to stay in the Philippines, if she has good family support and lots of servants at her back and call, why come here. Life is hard in the US. I am an Asian immigrant woman here, I know how it is.
I must also add that apart from her well-off upbringing, she is not a pure filipina, maybe that explains part of why she is different, she is part chinese from her maternal side, and part hispanic from her paternal side. Though I have met and been friends with her friends who are true and pure filipinas and have the same level of finesse and sophistication. They are all successful and well established on their own at their young age. These women are not uncommon. You can find them in all the right places and NOT in "girlie" bars or internet cafes. You can also spot them in classy clubs, and most of the time, they for their own drinks. For 11 years that I've been here in the Philippines, I tell you, I can tell who the real catch and the ones who will just use you, and I was never wrong about my assumptions. As soon as you walk in a bar, the girls who are sitting solo and drinking iced tea are a NO NO, they are just waiting for someone to sit with them and buy them a drink, while on the other side, girls with drinks in fancy glasses and pulls out her wallet to pay for her drink, that's a sign. They also flirt differently. Cheap girls will cling on you right away, as soon as you sit with them, they will ditch the iced tea and order a more expensive drink on your tab, they will trying to put up a conversation, but I tell you, they will only understand 50% of what you are saying as their english is very basic and all they will give you are nods, grins, and silly smiles, while the good filipina girls flirt almost like western women, they are smart and articulate. They have extensive vocabulary, and are straight forward. They are not on the haunt for foreigners, but will take whoever comes their way and treats them with the same respect.
Those who were victimized by nasty filipinas brought it upon themselves. You chose the cheap kind, you get the cheap kind i guess. A rag, no matter how many times you wash and disinfect it will still remain a rag.
objectivelyspeaking, life in the philippines is not as easy as other foreigners think especially for an american. if you witnessed those few ill-mannered filipinos in the US, imagine having to deal with A LOT of them every single day. I learned to be patient since this is not my country and for the love of my wife but I've reached my breaking point, and the cost of living and the inflation rate here is just going crazy. for an american to live like an american here is just too costly, plus kids' education aren't cheap, of course, i cannot just send my kids to a regular school but an international school. I have 3 kids and one is in grade school already, it costs 5k USD annually and yet still couldn't compare with the free education they could get in the US. basic commodities in the US so far is cheaper compared to here. I just don't find it very practical to live here anymore.
As I guessed, your wife is a Chinese-Filippino. She and her peers are not the filippinas the negative comments on these boards are referring to. It is the province filippinas who seek to hook up with foreign white men that are bringing the bad reputation. In fact, I would not even refer to your wife as a filippina. She is a Philippino lady.
Men who know the Philippines well like you do have said over and over - do not meet filippinas on the internet. If a man really wants to seek a wife from the Philippines, go and live there for a longer period of time, get to know the people and places first.
What you said also confirmed something I had thought. The good, upper-class Philippinos have no reason to leave because they have it really good there. Standard of living is high when cost of living is low. Therefore rich people in the Philippines will have it really good.
Problem is, those who made their way to the West, where society offers equal opportunity, don't really care to work hard to make it good either. When they get a good job, they screw it up with laziness and lying till they get fired. One American-Filippino from California posted that her mom is the director of an agency recruiting RNs (registered nurses) for hospitals, where there is a demand. She went out of her way to try and recruit filippinas but not a single one of them passed the exam to qualify for the RN position. So they end up being LVNs (Lic. Vocational Nurses) for much lower pay. This lady's mom went about asking the filippinas why they wouldn't take the exams, pass it to earn better pay. The filippinas say they don't care for that. Being in America is good enough. Someone in my family works in a big American retail chain. Due to unexpected resignations and transfers, a filippina landed the store manager position by default. It was soon discovered she made personal use of money from lost & found that was on hold in case the customer came back to claim it. Unbeknownst to her, this raised the eyebrow of the company's internal security and she was being watched. Within a very short time, she was caught for time-fraud and promptly fired. What's the conclusion here? That they are a bunch of lazy lying dishonest people who never care to make good for themselves?
China was poor, behind and looked down upon for decades during the communistic era. The Brits used to mock them as yellow rice-eaters. They caught up with the rest of the world in 20 short years as a nation and look at where they are today. The Vietnamese boat people came to the West with 2 threads on their backs. They knocked some wood together to make a table and 2 chairs, cooked up a pot of noodles and started a business. Then there were 2 tables and 4 chairs and so on...and now we see many modern Vietnamese restaurants with contemporary decor. Wealth and business come from hard work as these other Asian people have demonstrated. Yet there are no restaurants or grocery chain stores owned by Filippinos here. They eat and shop at Chinese food courts and stores. The few businesses owned by Filippinos here are actually Chinese-Filippino enterprises. The worst thing about the native filippino people is that while they don't care to work hard even when given the opportunity, they try to entitle themselves to other people's hard-earned assets. There are filippinas here hooking up with white men, worm their way into their property, try to bring the rest of their family in, then refuse to leave even after the men want to end the relationship due to lack of intellectual compatibility. Some things don't change. They squat on land owned by others in the Philippines, they do the same here. What kind of impression are people supposed to form of them.
Technically, the Philippines is not a 3rd World country. The Marcos era is long gone. Everyone expected the country will turn around and prosper once the corrupt Marcos government was overthrown. Why is the country drowning in such poverty and socio-economic problems today? Because corruption seems to be a trait and characteristic of the Philippines, and runs rampant on every level of government to this day. So it is supposedly a Catholic country with a strict code on fidelity and family values. Then we see filippinas being marketed online like pieces of meat to foreign men. Indonesia is the other poor and corrupt Asian country, but of Muslim religion with an equally strict religious codes of conduct. We don't hear about Indonesian women whoring themselves to white men the way filippinas do? Filippinas have themselves to be blamed for the dismal reputation they have brought upon themselves.
You may miss life in the US, come for a vacation. But I think you have it good where you are. In one of the Big Bang Theory episodes, the parents of the PhD from India said this "we are very rich in a very poor country, life is good for us". The Canadians like to say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
aha Dirktooth, just saw your last post on the cost of living. If your wife is Chinese and fair-skinned, she should have no problems enjoying life in the US. The Chinese are well-respected here. I am on EST, it is 1 am. I really enjoyed our discussion. Will catch up tomorrow.
BTW folks, if you get lucky with the RIGHT FILIPINA, you'll be the happiest man in the world. My wife has given me respect like no western woman would. As the husband and "the head of the family", i was given the full authority in the house, but of course, i give her the equal right but it was her personal choice to take the back seat and let me drive. I married a very strong and opinionated woman, but when it comes to decision making, she will lay out her opinions for me to consider but leaves the final decision making up to me and give me all her support even if it's against her opinion. She is liberated in all other aspect but very conservative when it comes to family matters. She respects the sanctity of marriage and does not acknowledge divorce or separation an option in anyway. And them smart women appreciates and values hard-earned money.
I know if I told her that I have made my decision to move to the US, she will move with me in a heartbeat even if its against her will, but I don't want her to do anything against her will, I want her to want it for herself, for our family. I really do not want my children to grow up around this rotten culture, dirty environment, and ignorant society.
And Dirktooth's wife is Chinese-Spanish with fair skin, not one of those native filippinas from the provinces who are a whole different kettle of fish.
I agree there are many filipina on internet looking for an american guy for money. But there are also many filipina who wants to marry an american guy for their life to change and to love as well. You can still find a good filipina woman. To be able to find a good filipina wife, you must consider that the girl should really like you and love you. Before you offer her marriage, think first if that girl really love you because if not she will just leave you after she got what she wanted. But there are also many filipina who can love you truly. If you find a filipina woman who really loves you, she will respect you and will be good to you.
Those american men who have been fooled, it means that they didn't loved you. You must be wise before you marry a filipino girl. To know if the filipino woman loves you, she must show it by making you happy everyday, Respect your feelings, kiss you, hug you, if she shows sweetness everyday, say iloveyou, Introduce you to her family and friends. You'll actually feel it, if she enjoy being with you everyday. If she's happy just being with you.
But if you don't find these things in her. I guess she doesn't really love you. If you ask her if she loves you, its easy to answer yes even if she really not meant it.
So if you have doubt that a girl is just using you or pretending that she loves you. Trust your instinct and stay away from her even you want her so bad. Dont hurry up to marry a filipina. There are other filipina who can love you truly.
Also beautiful filipina are looking for handsome american guy, so if you are old fat american(sorry for the word)or not goodlooking guy, don't go for beautiful filipina. They will just break you heart.
In order words, Belle, you just admitted to what many of us are talking about here...that filippinas who think they are beautiful will do the unethical thing in deceiving and exploiting a man for money and opportunity, then turn around to break his heart by committing adultery after marriage and getting the overseas passport or bilking him dry as a Santa Claus to the rest of her family. Thank you for the clarification.
If you are not goodlooking old man and you go for young beautiful filipina and offer her marriage. She maybe accept the marriage even if she don't love you. So my advice is choose the right one to offer the marriage. You can still find a good filipino, if you have find the right one for you, the right one who really loves you she will stay with you for the rest of her life but of course you have to respect her too.
Don't hurry up in looking for a filipina wife. Not because you know each other for one year or two then you have to get married. Try to be wise in knowing if a girl really loves you before you offer her marriage.
Actually it's not only refer to filipina but it applies also to the people around the world.
And p-l-e-a-s-e Belle, after you got caught with your foot in your mouth, you try to align all "the people around the world" in such an affront to international womanhood?? This is damage-control at its lowest.
Go and read the posting by “proudlybrown” here: http://www.andrew-drummond.com/view-story.php?sid=
This is the first time we get an honest inside look at the uniquely sick culture of filippinas from one of your own. She explained why filippinas have managed to build such an ill-repute to the rest of the world today. Blind defence and accusing others of prejudice and ignorance is not the way to help oneself. Admission of a reality and confronting it with honest resolve is. The filippina in David Scott’s case on National Geographic TV is raising eyebrows because her actions echo the same old modus operandi in countless filippina/white man stories pasted all over the internet.
It is one thing for a man to know what he is paying a prostitute for, then walk away with his life, emotions and finances intact. What do you call this deceiving a man into “marriage” for long-haul milking then dump him in emotional tatters just because he is “old and fat and ugly”? Yet when we bring this up for discussion on the internet, we get shot down by filippinas for being judgemental, prejudiced and racist?? We now understand from "proudlybrown" that filippinas see it as their right to treat foreign men this way. You filippinas have certainly taken the meaning of mail-order-bride and prostitution to a whole new insidious level WITH NO REMORSE.
what I mean about my last sentence is that man should look for the one who really loves them. Not only for filipina girl but also in other country. Am I not right with that?
Are you going to marry a man who doesn't love you??
Everyone should look for someone who really loves them, right?? That's what I'm talking about, that applies in the everyone.
my mom always Tell's me to be careful to choose my piny wife because most of girls there are tricky,girls .
Not everyone has such a track record as filippinas. It is an open secret now, even all the way out in the US and Canada, where society is very cosmopolitan. Just so you know, people of international countries here are saying the same thing about you filippinas, not women from other countries. You said so yourself: "If you ask her if she loves you, its easy to answer yes even if she really not meant it." The men who have been deceived did not knowingly marry a filippina who does not love him, but rather because the filippina duped him into it by lying and deceiving. A well-known proverb says that it is easy to see one's enemy in broad daylight and face-to-face combat. But it is a lot harder to detect the enemy who stabs one in the back and in the dark.
to objectively speaking... awww, been stabbed in the back i guess? that's why so rude and bitter about pinays?
that's too bad indeed, cant blame you for feeling that way, i would too if the same thing happened to me.
however, i believe in karma.. what goes aroung comes back around...
Not my own back, those of people I care about. Someone from my family had her marriage and whole life completely destroyed forever by her filippina maid who had a baby with her husband within a few months of starting the job. I used to think it was her husband's fault, until I found out this is what pinays do everywhere they go - sleep with other people's husbands. Then a promising youth group leader from my church who went to the Philippines on a mission trip got framed and extorted by a pinay and her family with a pregnancy. This youth leader actually committed suicide, leaving behind a widow and young daughter. These 2 cases were some years ago. Now I have a friend with a pinay squatter who refuses to get out of his house. How can so much evil be done by a single group of women. Nothing seems to have changed after all these years, they continue with their evil shameless deeds, destroying people's lives and families. More people need to be warned about them. I am just doing my part.
objectivelyspeaking, this happens with filipinas too. I've known good filipinas here whos marriage and family been ruined by their husbands cheating on them with their maids or with some corporate slut. but the thing is, this occurrence is not isolated with this group of women,
it happens everywhere. It almost happened to me. My wife had a maid who she even encouraged to finish her school and even offered to help her out with the education expenses but the maid refused because she had a different agenda, i was the one she wanted instead. She made every excuse for her not to use the bathroom in the maid's quarters and use the bathroom right next to my home office and purposely leave the door open. She walks around the house with just a towel on. Was she trying to seduce me? I don't know, but I knew better than to fall for that. My wife also smelled her perfume on the maid, and found out that the maid stole few of her underwears and had been telling the neighbors that she's the wife and i'm her husband and that my kids are her kids. Wifey knew that maids like that will do more harm than good so she fired her right away. When it comes to husbands cheating on their wives with their maids, the maids should not be held accountable for that alone. The husband should have known better, they know better than maids do.
very well said dirktooth!
cheating can never be justified by a reason that it was a filipina (or any other race for that matter) that seduced the guy... the guy should have known better that fall into bed with just ANYBODY if he is already committed with someone else...
maybe it would be a good idea to have another forum that would say... "Be careful when marrying a ___________"
then you fill in the blank and state your reason :).. im pretty sure it's not only filipinas that people have to be careful about!!
The point is, Dirktooth...the maid in your story is a filippina. I am talking about the percentage of instances here. The numbers among the filippina maids are disproportionately higher than other groups. My family no longer hire filippinas maids. Why bother to expose the family to such risks when domestic help is easily available from other countries. We are not talking about hiring a rocket scientist. Just someone to cook and clean. Instead, we hire maids from Indonesia and China. No more such nonsense. They just do the job they are paid to do, no hidden agenda like filippinas maids tend to have. And any 'rudeness' if Menji would consider so, is not even a slap on the wrist for the horrendous damage that filippina and her parents did to the youth group leader. Goodness only knows how many other victims have fallen prey after that, and not documented anywhere. My own filippina maid was a gem, I rewarded her with bonuses and gold jewelry. The rest of my family showered her with gifts, my children loved her. She and I continued corresponding for over a year after I emigrated. But it remains a fact that people need to tread carefully when coming into contact with filippinas, as they do have a vicious track record of treachery. People who are careful and intelligent will understand the logic of "buyer beware". Sugar-coating the facts will only mislead more innocent people.
Here is my story and I hope it is some what informative. I was stationed at Clark Air Base in the Philippines from 1981-84. I was 18 years old when I arrived in country and did not know very much about the Philippines. I am not here to bad mouth or build up Filipinos. This is just my experience of living here. I dated several ladies who worked on base. None of them were college educated but neither was I. One lady worked in the commissay as a cashier and she was two years older than me at 20. We usually went out once a week. After dating for only several months, she said she always wanted to be with me forever. Kind of freaked me out but at the same time I loved the attention and who wouldn't because she was very lovely and pretty. Another lady work for the base weather station and she was three years older at 21. She was also extremely nice and fun to hang out with but was really pushing the whole marriage thing. I enjoyed dating around but at 18 I was still very immature and knew I wanted to go to college after my time was up in the Air Force. Long story short, I really enjoy the three years that I was there. I made a lot of great friends in the Air Force who I still talk to and email. I played around a lot, dated some, and spent my share of money in the many bars that surrounded the base.
Jump ahead 17 years and I retire from the Air Force after 20 years of service and still single. I end up retiring to the Philippines in 2000 because of the nice weather ( I grew up in Columbus, Ohio) my pension will go far there and if I retire back in Ohio I will have to continue working (don't want to work anymore) and lastly I do like the girls over there. I have always took care of myself (not fat) obtained a college education in Business which I never used and can hold a general conversation with The President or a peasant comfortably. Since 2000, I have had my share of stories and attempted scams. Over here there are many. You have to be on your toes because if you have a few extra dollars, there are many who will help you depart from it. I have had two cellphones stolen ( no big deal) and perhaps several hundred dollars missing. I once stayed at a hotel in Angeles called The Sunset Gardens and had $ 200 stolen from my room. Informed the hotel and they tried to blame it on me saying I misplaced it ( yeah sure ). Anyway, lesson learned never leave ANY money in your hotel room unless in a safe. I have had many friends married to Filipinas. A good friend of mine is 11 years older than me and he married a lady that was 23 at the time ( he was 56 ). She cheated on him numerous times with another American whom she had met before they were together and they have three kids together. He never found out and I felt it is none of my business so I kept quiet. I have also had a friend who is married and has 2 kids and he constanly cheats on his wife. I have never married. I have had some psychos, gold-diggers, drama queens, and even a few fun gals to hangout with and took pretty god care of me. Money usually comes into the equation sooner or later. I have never had the fortune of dating a wealthy Filipina. I have several Filipino (male) friends as well who have looked after me from time to time and have given me some good advice. I am always surprised when I meet foreigners over here on a hloiday for just a few weeks who tell me they met the "love of their life" in some bar. WTF???
I have no right to judge anyone and try to mine my own business. I have seen a lot of guys lose their homes, cars, motorcycles, computers, and even lives. This place can be dangerous especially if you piss off the wrong person. There are currently 11 unsolved murders of foreigners here in my city. Life is cheap! This is my advise if you really want to marry a Filipina. Come over here and hangout for awhile. Visit places and island where very few foreigners go. You can find some good quality girls in church. I am not Chatholic but have attended many services just to meet girls. Ladies working as cashiers are also a good way to meet and become friends. Like anything else in life it takes time. Study upon the history of the Philipines, learn the geography, climates, foods, and the language. Be open-minded, considerate, and respectful. In other words the Golden Rule applies: treat people how you want to be treated. I have no complaints in my life and very few worries. I would not advise bringing a lady back to your home country but there again its a personal choice. I wish you all well and hope you think it through with your mind and not your other head.
Seems like this page and its viewers can give some opinion on the situation i'm facing now....so it started something few months back when i was in Manila for some official work....a girl waiting for her foreign work-permit in Manila; got my no. from some common contacts...started texting me, telling that she is just interested in being SMS-friends...but after few days insisted on meeting me in person..when i told that only time i'm out of office is when i'm in my service apt. She asked whether she can come to my home..with so much persistence on her side, i somehow agreed..Then she said, she stays far from place I stay, and may need to stay overnight..i told upfront that i just have one bed to share and also i am not at all interested in any commitments and we just meet once ... She came finally, had some drinks..told about her son staying with her mom somewhere in South PH..her child was from her ex-BF and so on and she is about to go abroad to work as a maid...and then we made out..stupid me, that i was a bit unsafe in the begining but had protection in the main act..And now the story begins, next morning i gave some cash as a matter or gratitude (she never asked for it though) and she went back and kept texting me on how she has fell in love with me, cant stop thinking about me etc...next, her trip to UAE was delayed due to some visa issues...she wanted to meet me again, once before she leaves...and with her enormous SMSs i relented and agreed to meet her on last weekend before she leaves..this time also she kept reminding on how much she has fell in love with me (with no formal dates..just SMS and one visit she made to me) ... night went, morning came, i gave more money than last time...SMS continued to the extent of making oneself mad...on the night before she was leaving, she made desparate calls for cash as her mother cant arrange for whatever she wants to be carry abroad...Ahhh..i thought with this one last cash-out, this torture will end..transferred money thru' a local lhullier...she thanked, went off next evening...with text back to me during her transit in some country...Finally, she arrived to her destination...I decided not to reply to her SMS and avoid her completely...Then after a few weeks, she texts that during her Medicals, Docs found her pregnant...I'm shocked..how can it be , when i played safe except for the first few minutes...and then her texts became more sugary, with how she is destined to live unmarried with her kids etc...and all the while, asking me to accept her love for me..obviously that i bail her out by marrying her...Well, marriage is an impossibility due to my social conditions etc.
Frustrated with these, I tried playing a spy..went to her home-town one weekend..and tried finding more about her and background...And now the ghosts turn; She was married with her ex-BF just a few weeks before she SMSed me for the first time...With some evidence in hand, I replied to her on this..Here comes the sweet reply; that she married to the guy for some money; as his family wasn't giving him parental wealth until he marries her and the Guy went abroad with his new GF soon after their farce-marriage (though legal and done in a Church)... And that she still has deep love for ME :(
And the repeated SMSes of her love to me, of her work-pressure , of I having put her in a crisis; she will comeback home after few months etc. Though, her FB posts shows she is quite happy and cheerful there...I chose not to reply, but her SMSes till come..I cant change this cell no. due to business reasons..last text from her, is that she bled twice over last few weeks, her work being too stressful on body, and doubtful that she may have miscarriage in future..her docs saying that till now, nothing harmful has happend to the foetus...
Readers, I know i slipped out of my character and got into all this..but I sincerely need your advices whether I'm being pulled into a SCAM and what shud I do next ...
I keep coming back to Phil for work ; though i stay there for few days per trip. I know I'm too soft and good in heart..and thats the reason I'm still in touch with this girl thru SMS..otherwise, i wud have simply forgotten abt all this and give a damn.
To desperatelyneedadvice: From what you described, this was a combination of several classic scam tactics. Getting your number through a common contact was what happened to a friend of mine working in Atlanta, GA. Then the texts never stopped coming. He has a gf so the filippina never went anywhere with him. Filippinas are not above trying to nail men who are married or attached. They also have people positioned to harvest phone numbers of new foreign men in town. The newer and younger, the fresher the “meat”. Sorry for the expression but this is all a game in their world. Due to leave for a job overseas is a scam used on both genders by internet scammers. Many women from Malaysia all the way to N. America have been off-loaded thousands of $$ by Nigerian scammers this way. Actually, there is no overseas job. The scammer is in the same country the whole time. The baby thing is another classic one that recently made it all the way to the NG series Locked Up Abroad on TV. There was a car chase with gunfire on the busy streets of Manila on that program. Yes, filippinas have caused the lives of many a foreign man, including that of my church’s youth group leader many years ago. His wife was widowed, his child orphaned and for what. Just for travelling to the Philippines to do some good deed, trusting those people. Boys will be boys, it is easy to fall for temptation especially when one is far from home, with work being the only reason to be in a foreign land.
Please also be aware that adultery is a crime punishable by a few years in jail, so is bigamy. A bail can be sought, but the under-table money to get the bail is 10x that of the bail money. There is also no such thing as Divorce in the Philippines. Only annulments that few local native people can afford. The cuckolded husband can demand “loss of face” money, a common practice in the Philippines. If the baby thing is for real, then it becomes proof of the adultery, nailing the foreign man down straight. The baby is also the bargaining chip for the filippina to nail the foreign man for ongoing financial support while the whole time, Philippine law maintains that the baby is legally the lawfully-wedded husband’s child although the foreign man and accomplice to adultery is footing the bill for it. So the foreign man is screwed in every way, as everything always comes back to the foreign man bleeding his hard-earned money on Philippine land.
The same code of ethics known to us foreign people do not apply in the Philippines. If anything, this goodness is taken only for weakness. Oftentimes, the filippina’s husband or boyfriend is fully aware and totally involved in the scam, pimping her out. Laws are instituted to curb certain rampant acts that will jeopardize the safety or well-being of others. Why does the Philippine government see it fit to institute such laws against adultery and bigamy and paternal ownership of a baby? Because it happens a lot, and has been for a very long time. Just that very few of us know about it until we get caught.
Now the answer to your question: you have been set up right from the start. For as long as you play nice and responsible, they will keep scamming you. No point in reasoning with them. It doesn’t work. You will only be dealt more persistent excuses that will wear you out until you part with more $$, and so on. They are not the kind of normal people given to reason. This is something that has taken many men by surprise, even here in America by the filippinas who made it here. Some things don’t change. Filippinas have posted on other boards that “white men are easy to cheat”. They don’t feel sorry for you at all. So what are you going to do? Even if you can’t change the phone no., Block her from texting you, or plain do not respond. She will try to use the baby to get to you. For all you know, the pregnancy may be a lie. The “bleeding” may well be something she will use to explain away the absence of a baby in eventuality. Even if there is really a baby, remember that it is not legally yours, it belongs to her husband, given that she is married. Your best bet at this point is stop caring and stop responding, and pray she will just go away to hunt for the next target and leave you alone. The one and only reason she is even bothering to contact you is this – MONEY. If you stop giving it, she will not have time for you. But do avoid all confrontations or verbal arguments. Remember what Nigel posted above...don’t piss off the wrong people...men have lost their lives over this type of thing. Since she has been to your place, she knows where you live, so it is no longer safe. Move if you can. What’s done cannot be undone, you can only hope for the best. And tread carefully. I wish you only the best in safety. Do take care.
Thanks 'objectivelyspeaking'. Yeah, with all these conflicting messages coming from her...i wud better not respond, and stay at peace...it some deep-seated guilt or thought that what if all this is right, that leads me to reply...Well, for now, i'll stop for a month or so and see how she behaves...
Thanks 'objectivelyspeaking'. Yeah, with all these conflicting messages coming from her...i wud better not respond, and stay at peace...it some deep-seated guilt or thought that what if all this is right, that leads me to reply...Well, for now, i'll stop for a month or so and see how she behaves...
You are welcome. Playing on your guilt is what they do. Think clearly and realize that it is more than mere conflicting messages. What does it tell you about a girl who comes to you in that manner a few weeks after getting married? Remember that you have already committed the "crime of adultery on philippine soil". The next thing they will do is play on your fear. If you are there only for a few days a stretch, telling her when you will be there is already setting yourself up. If you don't want to be dragged any further down, cut it off cold turkey. They are experts at latching on to a man once they get him hooked. One of my friends here in N. America kept playing nice and before he knew it, he had allowed himself to sink so deep. Trying to wrangle himself free has proved more difficult than he had ever imagined.
@ objectivelyspeaking..I wonder where the hatred all come from? Is it only because of bad experiences from your friends or someone you know that you cursed Filipina in general? Your way of thinking is primitive.Theres no such thing as all evil( it appears to me that you are streotyping Filipinas in general.Those sad sad stories happened everywhere,it's not a situation that existed only in the Philippines.It's everywhere,it happens in every race wether you admit it or not.It is very much common even in your country wherever you may come from. So why all the hate? I don't understand people like you who keep on lambasting Filipina in general. There must be something wrong with you already?
Haven't you heared of Filipinas being abused and maltreated with foreign husband as well? Those who suffered at the hand of their Psychotic husband. I don't think it's also a rare case. So why look upon only at what some Filipina's have done? Why not also asked what some foreign guys have done to Filipinas? Don't be one sided Gentleman..look at both sides of the coins.I also have many things observed from foreign men.But never did I generalize other's race.It's not fair! Look beyond your understanding and prejudices about Filipina's in general. We also have something to say about other's culture, for one I now live here in Europe with my husband and observed how women from other countries are perceived by short minded individuals.So you cannot and should not Stereotype women from the Philippines.
I know you might take time to answer me and your very much welcome.I know you sympathize for your friends but Mister don't let those negative stories ruin your being as well. I always believe that it takes two to tango! And when a relationship collapsed,finances sink, it should not be all blamed to one person.
You might ask me where I came from ? I'm proud to say I came from the province of Bohol,right now living in Germany not with an old man but a decent man my age.You might say I'm no different with Filipinas you know..only Sir I am pursuing a degree in Engineering so one day I can proudly claimed I made something aside from being married to a Foreigner!
To breakingice: It does not take me much time to answer you, sorry to diisappoint. It is not my place so I shall not venture to enquire how you met your German husband. But I do have a question for you: How do you plan to use your potential engineering degree to help your country? Are you just going to turn your back on your own country and people and leave them to continue in poverty while you enjoy your new-found 1st world citizenship by marrying a foreigner? “proudlybrown” on this board: http://www.andrew-drummond.com/view-story.php?sid= has concluded that “the gradual loss of intelligent and independent filippinas cannot be good for the Philippines”. After all, 70% of Philippine land is owned by a mere 2% of the population. This means roughly 75% of the population own the 25% of land. Are you going back to help your people and build your country? I would imagine your country could use your engineering degree to build some badly needed infrastructure, since a foreign man who had been to both countries had posted that even Thailand (with their per capita GDP of less than $4800 before 2010) has better infrastructure in Bangkok than your country has in Manila.
If you think this is about personal hatred, you are far from getting the point of the current dismal abyss the mindset and actions of (not all but the vast majority) filippinas have plunged your country into. The corrupt government of Ferdinand Marcos ended in 1986, so blaming the government would be a tough sell. As to what I mean by mindset and actions, “proudlybrown” has eloquently articulated the truth about filippina culture in the provinces that needs to be heard. She is one of your own and she has confirmed what my own friends from your country have told me. After the post by “desperatelyneedingadvice” above, your phrase “it takes two to tango” would amount to “blaming the victim”, wouldn’t it? This is something I have observed of filippinas for a very long time...push their way into a man’s life, report a pregnancy, then set him up for long-haul or at least repeated financial milking. If the man is in a position where the liaison cannot be made public, all the better for blackmailing or extortion, like what happened to my church youth group leader. Yes that filippina went to church to meet him. So if one were to think the church is a safe place to find a good filippina, think again. Is what happened to my church youth group leader 20 years ago far different from recent posts here reported by men set up the same way? Hardly. And this is the problem with the Philippines. While all the other Asian countries have progressed in less than 3 decades from single-digit per capita GDPs to higher than some western countries in 2010 (per UN data: Singapore $43K, Japan $42K, Hong Kong $31K, S. Korea $21K), the Philippines‘ actually dropped from $3500 in 1990 to $1900 in 2010, despite the abundance of natural resources and vast labour pool. Singapore has only one island and a tiny population, needed to reclaim land to create beaches, yet enjoy phenomenal success in tourism. The Philippines has more than 7000 beaches, beautiful weather and lovely beaches, yet wound up being black-flagged for tourism for their ridiculous mishandling of a 2010 tour bus hijacking case resulting in some 8 tourists being shot to death. Interestingly, the filippino bus driver who was supposedly handcuffed by the hijacker suddenly turn Houdini and managed to remove the handcuffs unassisted, while the filippina tour guide was spared, but not so for the Chinese guide. Yet, filippinas are always accusing others of hatred on this board and others. Women from 3rd world countries all over the world from Africa to India to Afghanistan are benefitting from Fair Trade and micro-loans to start their own little enterprises to earn themselves an economic status and sense self-worth. Yet, of the 19 FTOs in the Philippines, which is painfully few in a majority poverty-stricken population of 93M, only 8 are IFAT certified. Why so few? Why are we to this day still reading about filippinas pushing their way into the beds of foreign men like “desperatelyneedingadvice”, whether they are really welcome or not. Isn’t this how the streets of your country became teeming with illegitimate children today, voluntarily born by you filippinas, further compounding your country’s economic crises? American expatriates with young families want to repatriate because they do not want to raise their children in this “rotten culture, dirty environment and ignorant society”. Who can blame them? Then we have foreign aging retirees choosing to settle in the Philippines because the cost of living is low enough for sustenance without further vocation. Nothing wrong with that, it is a personal choice. But taken in whole, this is exactly how the Philippine economy continues its downward slide from history and into the future if you filippinas continue flashing yourselves on internet webcams to foreign men like cheap little pieces of Asian meat, much to the disgrace of all Asian womankind. A country needs to be built in order to prosper, and only a young, enthusiastic and educated population demographic can do this best. Yet, all over Asia your OFWs are known for prostituting themselves whether they are exported as “entertainers” to Japan, or “domestic maids” to HK or “GROs” to Singapore. Sure, not all of them do, but the numbers are high enough to garner your infamy today. Sadly enough, the adultery and internet hookups continue for many who actually made it out to the west via marriage to a foreign man.
For those of you who said " Not all Pinay like that". Are we talking the same Filipina here? Is that a Filipina that exist in a place called....earth? If Pinay is not a gold digger then it must be a sign of the end of the world. Some advice for you foreigner, go to filipina, make friends of the pinay, have sex with them but remember to use condoms,maybe 9 out of 10 pinay have STD, while the other 1 is going to have STD. Make them pregnant but don't marry them. After that, get the hell out of there. Just don't marry them and money to them. Keep give them promises. Listen to their storie although you'll be hearing like they have a child from their ex-boy friend and their ex-boy friend leave them, they don't go to school anymore because of financial problem, their mother had stroke, and bla...bla...bla. Just listen to it, but don't fall for it. Beside, what else can a pinay do beside selling their t..ts and p.s.y
For those of you who said " Not all Pinay like that". Are we talking the same Filipina here? Is that a Filipina that exist in a place called....earth? If Pinay is not a gold digger then it must be a sign of the end of the world. Some advice for you foreigner, go to filipina, make friends of the pinay, have sex with them but remember to use condoms,maybe 9 out of 10 pinay have STD, while the other 1 is going to have STD. Make them pregnant but don't marry them. After that, get the hell out of there. Just don't marry them and money to them. Keep give them promises. Listen to their storie although you'll be hearing like they have a child from their ex-boy friend and their ex-boy friend leave them, they don't go to school anymore because of financial problem, their mother had stroke, and bla...bla...bla. Just listen to it, but don't fall for it. Beside, what else can a pinay do beside selling their t..ts and p...s...y
@Jameson
that is a very hasty generalization. I'm an american and I am not ashamed to say that I married a very decent filipina. She never asked me for a dime, never pressured me to marry her though she was already pregnant with our child, and she never persuaded me to take her to the US. She is well educated and at young age, she even makes more money than I do. She helped me secure a job in a multinational company, she put her career on hold just so she and my son could be with me when I got an assignment in another country. I am 14 years older than her. She was in college when I met her, and though her parents disapproved our relationship, she fought for me and stood my me even when I was broke and an asshole. You'd think I maybe bluffing, but a bloke could also get lucky. Good filipinas do exist, and you don't see them in the online market.
Ahhh, the discussion now turns to something more than marrying a filipina...
I am a filipina too, holds 2 engineering and 1 masteral degree... living in Canada and in a relationship with a wonderful Canadian man...
Is he giving me money like what most people here said? No. Am I after his money? No (because I have more than what he has).
Now are we going to dicuss if I am helping my country by immigrating here and putting my talents into use in this country that has adopted me as its own? Maybe not.
But please dont give me that talk about what's good for my country and what's really going on in the Philippines, things that you have just found online and is now dishing out here...
Have you walked down the streets of my country, fought for the ideals of the massess, been tortured by the govenrment, and your life and the lives of your loved ones been put at risk because you have been fighting for the greater good????
Have you experienced being imprisoned, tortured both physically and mentally?
DId you ever think that there is more to money in this world?
While it is true that there is a lot of filipinas who do not hold the proper idealism and are not morally right, there is an exception to every rule, whilst not many, you will still find these people.
Is it because your adopted country is so good to you Menji, giving you the opportunity to earn all your 3 degrees, that you feel more grateful to your adopted country than your birth country?
I earned all my degrees in the Philippines, in a university known to be the bastion of activism, thus resulting in me being a target by the government, among many others who have fought, suffered and died in attempting to fight for the common good...
I don't think I have ever written that I am more grateful to my adopted country than the Philippines. My own country gave me the education I needed, my adoptive country gave me the opportunity to start all over again. If I would be selfish and think only of myself, I would stay in the Philippines, ready to weather any storm that may come my way. However, everything changes when you look into the eyes of your children, and think about what future they would have if you stay in a place you know is not safe for them anymore.
So, I guess many of you here will say, why not just marry a foreigner, that way, you can have all his money, live in another country and be safe? Hhhhmmmm, a very tempting idea, but not so much if I have my ideals and enough resources to stand up on my own.
But would that "common idea" prevent me from being with a foreigner? No, I am with one right now, and he is the best thing that ever happened to me.
There will always be struggles, in doing something that is morally and socially right. But that is a personal choice that one has to make. And the ability to make the right decisions trancends any race, gender or age. It will all boil down to one thing--- what are your ideals in life, and are you strong enough to live and die by these ideals?
Just my two cents....
So Menji, you are another one of those who left your children and country behind in the Philippines to be with a foreign man in Canada, and then try to convince us you are not being selfish?
I wouldn’t give a fishfly if the Philippines implode economically by the choosing and the doing of their own people. In the free world, everyone is entitled to their own idealism. Only when those idealisms amount to sluffing off one’s own garbage on others to clean up, destroying the marriages, families and lives of people from other countries, that it becomes NOT OK. Why would I want to visit a black-flagged country with a track record of shooting tourists in a hijacked tour bus.
FYI, here is someone whose people got mowed down by military tanks for protesting against the government. But we stayed for our rights till our voices were heard, built our country to a world economic power today. So don’t tell me about being tortured by government. S. Korea and China are both rebuilt from the ashes by the will of a people. President Park could not get a loan from any country after the Korean War. So he sent the Korean people to Europe to work and learn. After they learned, they returned to their country to rebuild it. It was a painfully hard life, but their love for their country never died with their sacrifice. Millions of Chinese women travelled hundreds of miles from the villages to work in the cities for a pittance to make the pretty things Americans enjoy. This is what enabled China to make the quantum leap to its current economic status after the loss of several decades to communism. Filippinas are taking all this bashing today because they have repeatedly showed themselves to be materialistic opportunists, finding a foreign man to escape poverty, leaving their children behind, then try to justify it. Patriotism and national pride has everything to do with the topic we are on. The lack of both these qualities is the reason why the educated filippinas are so easily turning their backs on their own people, choosing to play no part in building their country. As a result, the ever-increasing disgruntled lot still stuck in the philippines go about clawing at foreigners, entitling themselves to what others have had to work hard to earn and build. I did not make much of the first incident when my valued church leader had to die because of a filippina. Not still when a member of my family had her marriage forever destroyed by a filippina who schemed to conceive an illegitimate child that permanently reminded my family member of the sting. My eyes only opened after I came to N. America and see the same old s*** still being played out by filippinas after all these years. The very vehicle used by filippinas to scam and deceive foreign men, causing much anguish to their wives and families, is now the same vehicle that bears the indelible footprint of filippina misdeeds. It honestly boggled my mind how much have already been posted about filippinas by so many all over the internet by the time I got on to it. It takes more than arrogant denial, “awww....karma” and "common idea" to convince the world that filippinas are not irresponsible "materialistic opportunists" who trade their bodies for first-world luxuries, turning their backs on country and family. Your country is yours to build. Those of us who have tried to help, like my church leader and family member, have been stung and bitten beyond repair. I could paste more from other boards if I want, the internet is a level playing field to share and express. I “dished out” the UN data to illustrate how karma has already come around for the Philippines for the countless misdemeanours their people have committed against foreign people all those years in the past. My wish is for your people to turn around before more damage is done to yourselves and foreigners. My online research have turned up some sites created by young, educated pinoys and pinays like yourself, that display good ideals and an understanding of your country's problems and culture. Trust me none of us started out hating filippinas. To this day, my people still weep for yours. Some are still in there donating money so your people don't have to beg for food or endanger their young lives climbing on recycling trucks for scrap wood and metal. Still others are helping to build accommodation for squatters. I was much encouraged when I read about a filippina's foreign husband building a new settlement of accommodation for the people of her village. I hear that Canada is good to immigrants, offering them equal opportunity. You will do well with your good education. Please do not turn your back on your children and family after you succeed. Make yourself a success in Canada so you can go back and help them, make your people proud!!!
Pinay tends too lie about their real age.Age 30, they said age 19. Why should we trust someone who even lie about their age?
@ Dirktooth
What a stories, @ Dirktooth. I wonder, how many cups of coffee before you comment Jameson's comment? How much did the Pinay "bought" to tell such a magnificient story?
I do have agree with @ Jameson. And one thing @ Jameson. Your advice is quiet interesting, I might do that.
For those of you who want or thinking to marry a Pinay, you should consider about Prenuptial Agreement before you are marrying a Pinay. Pinay is a very good con artist.
left my children? did i say that? it`s amazing how some people think and see things only in ways they wanted it to be....
@menji - Please substantiate if you brought your children to Canada with you or not by this: " If I would be selfish and think only of myself, I would stay in the Philippines, ready to weather any storm that may come my way. However, everything changes when you look into the eyes of your children, and think about what future they would have if you stay in a place you know is not safe for them anymore."
@wilkinson
what i know is she bought my life back for me after my first filipina wife robbed me. Oh yes, i've had my own share of bad experience with a filipina, very bad. but i chose not to dwell on that as it all turned out too good for me.
@ Dirktooth
Well then congratulation Dirktooth. You have found a diamond in a pile of sh..t . Hope that the diamond is not a fake one and contaminate with the pile. And what a good story too, Dirktooth. It's entertaining.
@objectivelyspeaking
my children are the reason why I would really want my wife to reconsider moving to the US. The cost and the quality of education here is very incompetent, and I don't want the to grow up and be exposed in this ignorant society and culture. She belongs to organizations and humanitarian causes to help out the country starting from constitutional reformation down to the malnourished children of the local hospital here. Yes, she is trying to help out her country, but sooner or later, the weight will be on our children, and I don't think it will be fair for them. So are you saying that her country should come first? She should stay in this shithole and "try" to work for change when our children will have a better chance and better life in another country where they are not being deprived of knowledge?
I'm a Filipina and I want to marry a white man too because I want to have a baby with blue eyes and rosy cheeks. :) But not because of his money. My sister is in a province in Canada so I could migrate there if I want. Mixed filipino and american blood can make pretty children. I've been dreaming to have a daughter with mixed blood and want her to join american next top model.
But I cant stand being with a man that I don't love so definitely I will look for a foriegn guy that I love and with good heart.
@Dirktooth
Not for one moment have I classed your wife in the same barrel with those errant filippinas that necessitated the existence of this board. From everything you have described of your wife, it is clear she comes from a good and well-to-do family, and she is Chinese-Spanish, not native filippina from the provinces. I have Chinese friends from the Philippines. My indignance is only against filippinas who conceive children irresponsibly with foreigners for devious purposes, then dumping the kids either with the maternal grandparent or worse, to take off with the next foreign man or just quit the country when they manage to hook up with one online.
In answer to my first query on what brought you to this board, you stated clearly it is your idea to return to the States. So it is not your wife's desire to leave her country. Also, she is not leaving her children behind, but rather, with them. So yours is a whole different scenario. Although, I have to say it will be a great loss to the common good of the Philippines if your wife were to discontinue her good work. It seems the Philippine government has been making progress in recent years working with foreign NGOs and church groups in addressing the problems of street kids left behind by their filippina mothers. But if the errant filippinas keep producing illegitimate children recklessly to wring money from foreign men, then dump the kids, no amount of humanitarian effort can salvage the Philippines from the current “shithole”, to quote you. Most of these street kids are boys. Where do you think the girls are? Those old enough to be pimped are being shipped around Asia for prostitution. How can this be allowed to continue spreading like a cancer all around the world?? I have met young mix-bred filippinas here who cringe when asked which country they are from. They were brought here by the (decades older) john who married them. But I have also met young filippinos who work really hard at school or their entry level jobs, some are going to church. These young men have never met their fathers. I always make sure to give them a word of encouragement. I see determination in their eyes, wanting to build a better future for themselves. We need to help these young people because they can accomplish so much with just a little support and encouragement. I am posting here to draw attention to all the horrendous problems the reckless and selfish filippinas are causing to their own country and others. There are so many reports about them dumping the foreign man like an old sock as soon as they get their foreign citizenship – here in N. America, in the UK and Australia. Many are already married in the phils but lie about their status to the foreign man, commit blatant bigamy in foreign countries just to get the foreign passport, some even making the foreign men unknowingly pay for their pinoy husband’s support in the phils, the whole time acting like it is all one big joke. Are these filippinas even human when “human” is the root word for “humanity” and "humanitarian"?
None of the words and reasoning I write here will get through to those errant filippinas, I know. The only way is to warn the men. This is why you see filippinas jumping all over me each time I make a post. They are here to counteract, in case their foreign boyfriend sees these posts and refuse to marry them. We see a lot of them here because the key words for this blog are “marrying a filippina”. There are other blogs on topics of abandoned children or the Philippine economy, but I don’t see them post there so ferociously, if at all. I have not posted there either, but it is clear those topics are of little interest to filippinas, as if none of their concern. All they care about is how to grab a foreign man, make a baby with blue eyes and rosy cheeks. How that baby will be raised and adequately provided for is...erm...also none of their concern...someone will pay for its upkeep.
It is not for me to say who should or shouldn’t do something, when those decisions cause no ultimate direct harm to anybody, but necessary to keep one’s own family intact. After all, charity begins at home. I put my own children first when they were young, even when we ourselves went through difficult circumstances soon after migration. Only now that they are grown and I have built my assets and businesses, am I able to get involved in helping others. I don’t mean to offer any unsolicited advice, and I am sure you have already considered all the factors involved in uprooting an entire family for relocation. Even though you have your roots in the States, life for your wife may be very different at least for the start. This big country is still reeling from the after effects of the last recession. The jobs are still not completely there although the first-world costs of living certainly are. Many families require 2 incomes just to keep up. It becomes very hard on the wife especially when the kids are still very young. Live-in maids don’t cost the same as in Asia. Many immigrants come here without a job waiting for them, and money drains away fast just to set up home and get the family settled. Marriages have broken up here for those reasons. Then again, you are American, so I am sure things would be much better for you than for those of us immigrants. I certainly wish you and your family the very best in all your future undertakings wherever you decide to be.
Seems like most of the negative experiences with Filipinas here are mainly the fault of the foreigner. Old men whose only pre-requisite for a wife is 'young, hot and available'. haha. What you want to look for is a girl from a good, small family. One who has an education, a career and preferable a father older than you. Not one whose only goal in life is to marry a foreigner and get out of the Phils. Find a nurse or a school teacher and make it clear to her that you will be living in the Philippines forever. that will weed out all ther visa hunters, scammers and gold-diggers.
Then treat her well, be smart with your money and set good precedents. In other words, don't go crazy with vacations, gifts, a new scooter for brother, or a new roof for her parents nipa hut just because you are overwhelmed at getting your first pre-menopausal lay in the past 20 years. There are a TON of high-quality women here, but most foreigners end up with trash just because they are easier to find and then they forget all about the vetting/screening process when faced with a cute, young girl in their bed.
@objectivelyspeaking
you said, "All they care about is how to grab a foreign man, make a baby with blue eyes and rosy cheeks. How that baby will be raised and adequately provided for is...erm...also none of their concern...someone will pay for its upkeep."
Of course not. I didn't say much about me but FYI I graduate in University with a degree in Computer Engineering. I'm currently working in IT industry and trying to obtain a 5 years work experience in that field here in Philippines because I want to pursue my IT career in Canada. Since I have a sister in Canada, it's now easy for me to migrate there. When I have fulfilled all my dreams, I'll then be ready to get married. But right now it's not yet in my mind.
Marriage is a very sacred thing that why I'm very careful in choosing for the right person. And I want to know the person first for more than 2 years before I marry him.
I think I am ready to get married after 8 years from now. By that time, I know I am successful already before I could find my Mr. right man.
I'm commenting here because I am a Filipino and not all Filipino woman are like the one said here. Maybe 50% of them or maybe 70%, but NOT ALL. NOT 100%.
@belle - I don’t doubt your level of education from your prose. If that’s how you plan your future, more power to you, as that’s the way it should be. From this board alone, it is clear there are foreign men already in the Philippines looking for a good wife. You don’t have to leave your country to make a baby with blue eyes and rosy cheeks. When you say you can’t stand being with a man you don’t love, it tells me your mind is set on not loving a filippino, only a man who can give you a baby blue eyes and rosy cheeks. Is that not racist? If you are qualified and educated, your country needs you. All countries need good and capable people to build and defend it. Brain-drain is bad for any country. Especially in yours, for very obvious reasons.
If only 50% of filippinas are just whoring themselves, there wouldn’t be so much talk all over the internet about them. I had a hard time digesting some posts on other boards about filippinas and the horrendous state of street kids and child prostitution. Some filippinas themselves have put the percentage as high as 80% materialistic opportunist, with the rest either not caring or hating Americans.
Whoring is the world’s oldest profession, every country has it, all the way back to Biblical times. But the filippina brand of whoring is very different from the rest. They push themselves on a man aggressively, want to get married, get pregnant quickly for long-term financial payout by the man, want a 1st-world passport, continue with their adulterous conduct after coming here, dump the men once they get the green card, men complain about this on the internet, filippinas get a stinking reputation, the small percentage of good filippinas end up getting stigmatized. Filippinas are also famous for getting foreign men to buy them things, not just for them but also for their entire family. “Oh run from those who ask for money” some filippinas have posted here. Isn’t asking for money and asking for things like house and motorbikes and computers and fashion clothing the same difference? In the real world, there is no free handout. Even parents painstakingly teach their children this by not over-indulging them. Tell me something - why does your culture have such a warped sense of entitlement, expecting others to pay for their luxuries? There is such a thing called “pride and honor” for the rest of us.
Say what you like Belle, do you or do you not agree that your country is in terrible shape and in need of immediate and urgent repair? As an educated and future professional woman, how do you plan on contributing to the social and economic health of your country? If you and your people are all quitting the country, who is going to clean up the mess and build the Philippines? Do you want to see your country boast a pathetic USD1500 per capita GDP year after year? Are you proud of your country? Do you love your country at all?
BTW I am still waiting to hear from @menji whether she left her children in the Philippines or brought them to Canada.
When I say I cant stand being with a man that I don't love. It doesn't mean I don't love filipino. What I mean is that when I decide to marry a man it should be that I love this man. So in the future I will look for white man that I can love. And it's not just any man. What I feel for him is important to me and what he feels for me is also important. But if in the future I can't find a white man that I love, well, I think our preferences changes as the time passed. So, I still don't know but for now yeah I feel like having a fil-am kid.
We have a very big population so 50% or 70% are a lot already. And I think many professional filipina woman don't really go to forum with this kind of topic. The only reason why I got here is because I got curious why there are lots of foriegner looking for filipina to be their wife. So when I google it, I seen this post.
Most educated Filipino women do care about their reputaions. And as being educated they will not allow being labelled as those ones said here. So they will not do such thing.
I agree with you that our country is in really bad condition. I am just starting my career and right now I can say that i haven't fulfill all my dreams. And I think I should help myself first to fulfill my dream before i can be fully able to help my country. And I also help some of my fellow filipino in my small way. That's why I'm still building the reputataion of the filipino women here. If I will allow all people to think that all filipino are like the one said in here. It's like I'm allow my country to fully sinked.
And I am not a bias person that why in my first posts I actually agree with what is written here but if you are going to generalize that all filipina women are like that, I think I should disagree with that.
I am educated filipina so I am surrounded with educated people, that's why I know that not all filipina are that bad. That's why I said maybe 70% or okay lets say 80% but not 100% of filipino women are like what you are saying here.
The people who most likely post in the forum with this topic (I'm not saying all of them) are those who are looking for a foreign man to provide for them and i think they are not that professional or don't have a degree so most likely they are also surrounded with people like themself. That's why, that is what she only sees.
Reading thru this post is quite interesting...opens up a lot of doubtful situation one may face, when in Manila...
How to avoid being trapped - Just one - Forget getting into dodgy situation, avoid the urge to get laid, and simply 'Mind you own business' .. The more one thinks of the society, the girls, the culture, and all sorts of adventures told to him by his friend; the more vulnerable he becomes.
'Objectivelyspeaking' is many a times right in exactly pin-pointing the pitfalls to avoid in Philippines. I'm staying on and off in Manila for long and had been to almost everywhere in this country. What becomes evident, that in provinces Men are totally hopeless, lazy, addicts, abusers and what not..and this is what drives the fair sex; to simply hate them on one extreme and fall for any foreign man just by talking/chatting once. I regularly meet the business owner here...and most of them point one thing, that the 'hard-working' DNA is simply missing in the local men. They look for easy money, keep shitting in almost all kind of jobs, have no urge to save or for that matter earn money. Simply a burden on the society. No wonder 'Pay-day' is such a big thing out here...get ur money, splurge on drinks and dance..Well that Filipino culture for you.
Now coming to the woman folks..growing in such culture they just have two options to follow - Work in Cities as Masseurs, Bar-maids, Factory Workers, Maids, shop-assistants, OFWs and what not; for they have to work, work and work like a dog to survive and earn for their all so 'UNFORTUNATE' family .. sometime i wonder, what the family is doing except for becoming a victim of their laziness and squeezing the earrning member to the extent possible. I had a masseur coming from Zamboanga/Mindanao..Single Mother staying with her family..BF Cheated...working in Manila with her sister...have 4 brothers..when asked, why u need to come so far to earn something like 2000pesos (50USD) a month..ANswere is : ALl my siblings except the two of us are lazy..they dont work..I need to work hard, as i've a kid now to look after and the entire family also...
Nowhere I've seen such 'cold' behaviour at the part of family...
Now what happens, if the girl is not likely to do HARD WORK..she is too pampered, or so-called sophisticated to sweep tables in McDonalds...There is the second option to follow - Lure a Men..a foreign man...or a 'white' guy in the name of Love, Love and Love...and pin him down for entire life..Treat him as a perpetual ATM machine, and there comes the family with all their sorrowness to squeeze the last drop out of a foreginer- who cant even understand whats going on...For he is always reminded of the 'True Love' that his partner is having for him..
Cynthia Scott/Delfino (featured in NatGeo) has no business to go online dating, when she had a annulement case pending and also being fully aware of the adultery law...having kids at home, flirting with a unknown chap is nothing but 'Characterlessness'...you can chose to give it the name of love. The cunning husband also wanted to make his dough, hires guns to threaten and extort..though widely reporter, no one knows whether phil police arrested the 'husband' for extortion or not. David Scott, being totally love-lorn paid his life...
Well there is no eminent solution on how to correct this big-big black spot of the culture here....keep chanting gospel verses, and keep doing all sort of wrongdoing..Even Gods will smirk once, before bestowing any grace...
The pseudo-forces running the country must need to rethink that how they and their influence on the society has made it to be .. A land of OFWs, a land of useless guys, a land of crooks, a land of scheming,blood-sucking, gold-digging girls and what not...Nowhere else I've seen people so blood-thirsty of each other, that they can go any extent in making just petty gains
Just to clarify...i've met all kind of people from Philippines..and not every one is same...Any generalizations, based on my post above, may not be correct...
Here we are talking about the sorry state of affairs...trying to highlight what wrong exists in this society..and what needs to be corrected for it to be made a 'respectful' country...
I will never ever deal with a Philipina again. The one that I was married to was a piece of crap. The bitch was stupid, bi polar, and a bar whore. I just want to thank the good lord for getting me out of that situation after only 5 years. At last check she has 3 kids with 3 different men, not married, and on welfare. Good riddance to that bitch.
@belle
So after all that roundabout talk and flowery language, bottomline is still the same – your mind is all set for only a white guy getting first crack at you. You totally confirmed what “proudlybrown” posted on the NGTV Cynthia Delfino board – "...so many Filipinas DO look for foreigners.....and kids who are "an improvement of the species" (aka "white"). As if we're dogs to be bred.”
I hope you realize your 8-year plan (of which I will give you the benefit of the doubt to be sincere) will require a mind of steel and the endurance of a marathon champion to fulfill, in a country like yours. I am sure the foreign people here with knowledge of what really goes on in your society will not be holding out too much hope for your sweet naivete not being contaminated all too soon.
I wish to thank @mytwocents for his candid and objective summary of everything I have been posting here. Coming from someone who has criss-crossed the provinces of the Philippines over time, his comment is especially helpful. It is vitally important for men to be warned about those filippinas who advertise themselves online as “the perfect wife”, only to discover the ugly truth after getting waist deep in water. Or the young foreign man on work assignment in the Philippines wondering why a filippina is pushing herself into his life, not knowing his is like a lamb delivered into a vipers’ pit. From my own in-person dealings with filippinas here in the West, the real truth about these filippinas comes out very s-l-o-w-l-y, if at all. They are masters at using slithery language, talking in circles, telling half-truths or disguising the whole truth. Many are already grandmothers in their early 40s, but just not letting on. Even here, young first-generation filippinas are birthing multiple kids in quick succession with different men and still not married, AFTER receiving a proper N. American education. It is still in the genes!! Therefore, before marrying a filippina met online, or in person during a short vacation or work assignment in the Philippines, men should consider carefully if what he sees is really what he is getting.
@objectivespeaking
Think what ever you want. But to be honest, I am actually attracted to Korean man. But when I see fil-am baby. I kinda fell inlove to the baby. But actually my mind is not yet really set. It can still change. Everything changes. I still don't know what I like in 8 years.
@belle
It is not a matter of thinking whatever I want. Anyone with seeing eyes and thinking minds have already understood my points, and posted here.
I don't blame you for changing your mind or romanticizing the thoughts of motherhood. All young girls do that no matter what country. But whatever you do, I hope you will do it right like you first said, and not add to the current problem in your country and hurting the wives and families of more foreigners.
Below are some ecxerpts on Kopinos for the reading pleasure of those interested. Again it is a sad story that echoes the sordid past of filippinas and the country as a whole:
"In an apartment in a poor community in Culiat, Quezon City, north of Manila, the endless laughter of 11 children fills the driveway. But beyond their loud chatter and playful stance, these kids are struggling to find their true identity and future in a country mired in poverty.
The two rooms in the apartment’s Unit 6 provide shelter to these deprived Filipino children unrelated by blood but bound by a painful and haunting past: they were abandoned by their Korean fathers."
"They are called Kopinos, a term that refers to children born to Korean fathers and Filipino mothers. Their number in the Philippines has increased as the number of Korean tourists visiting the Southeast Asian country has grown in the last two decades."
"The issue of Kopinos has become a social problem in the Philippines and viewed as a disgrace in South Korea. According to Son, there are more than 10,000 Kopinos (sic. this was recorded in 2007, the number may be higher 4 years later today) in the Philippines, although there is no official data on their exact number."
"This has taken its toll on the welfare of Filipino women, and resulted in an increase in the number of illegitimate Filipino children born to foreigners."
"Son said the rise in the number of fatherless Kopinos was a product of the mindset of Koreans who were visiting the Philippines to enjoy life but not to get married to Filipino women. Enjoying life, of course, means hitting strip bars, paying for sex and getting temporary Filipina girlfriends."
Those interested can read the full article linked below, it contains some interesting stuff on the sperm-war and the gut-wrenching extent of the sufferings of abandoned children as a result of mass indiscreet filippina liaisons with foreign men of pretty much any race although whites kinda top the list. There is even a reference on how orgies with foreign man is something from the original history of filippina islanders from the beginning of time with not even the founder and discoverer Magellan himself being spared:
Well,I am an Arab women (a UAE national).When i came across this site,I realized that Filipino women are a plague to westerners as well.I am tired of seeing these cheap,sluts sleeping around with any man they see here for material benefits here in UAE.I can say that Filipino women are a plague to middle East,especially to UAE.Since the discovery of oil in 70s millions of them swarm to our nation,so did Indians Pakis and others.But no expatriates(not even Russian or Lebanese prostitutes)harm us like these Filipino women.I hate to offend any one since Islam is against it but the fact is always a fact.I think Filipinos are the only race in which majority of the women are sluts.They don't mind sleeping with their bosses or anyone they see around them.I was stunned when i found that even the Filipina nurses who are paid well sleep around with men for other benefits.I am a doctor with so many expatriate nurses as colleagues.What I have noticed is that these women hook up rich patients for a black berry phone or an i pod.What a shame to womanhood.I believe that women shouldn't be so materialistic.I have a cousin who was very emotionally involved with a Filipina.Inspite of warning him several times he was prepared to marry her.Sadly she left to US to meet her sugar daddy whom she met in dating site.I don't think there is any other race in the world as trashy as Filipinos. Totally good for nothing people only fit to be prostitutes ,bargirls or sales girls .These girls should be banished from middle East .
Well,I am an Arab women (a UAE national).When i came across this site,I realized that Filipino women are a plague to westerners as well.I am tired of seeing these cheap,sluts sleeping around with any man they see here for material benefits here in UAE.I can say that Filipino women are a plague to middle East,especially to UAE.Since the discovery of oil in 70s millions of them swarm to our nation,so did Indians Pakis and others.But no expatriates(not even Russian or Lebanese prostitutes)harm us like these Filipino women.I hate to offend any one since Islam is against it but the fact is always a fact.I think Filipinos are the only race in which majority of the women are sluts.They don't mind sleeping with their bosses or anyone they see around them.I was stunned when i found that even the Filipina nurses who are paid well sleep around with men for other benefits.I am a doctor with so many expatriate nurses as colleagues.What I have noticed is that these women hook up rich patients for a black berry phone or an i pod.What a shame to womanhood.I believe that women shouldn't be so materialistic.I have a cousin who was very emotionally involved with a Filipina.Inspite of warning him several times he was prepared to marry her.Sadly she left to US to meet her sugar daddy whom she met in dating site.I don't think there is any other race in the world as trashy as Filipinos. Totally good for nothing people only fit to be prostitutes ,bargirls or sales girls .These girls should be banished from middle East .
So, I also encourage american guy to meet a lot of educated people here in Philippines. I mean someone who work as manager, supervisor, engineer, programmer, etc. Those who have professional works, just be friend with them so that you know what I'm saying here. You seldom see them on internet or chatroom. You can meet them by common friend in a company.
Don't befriend only those you just met on street or in malls. If it's by a friend, know her work first and everything about her. I know you are all wise enough to understand what I mean on how you can meet professional people. Just be friend with them and know their attitude toward foreign guy but don't open your self to be her lover or not just yet.
and don't show any interest that you want her as your lover. Just be friend with them.
@belle,
Sorry to say...but all your post shows the desperation filipinas have for foreign souls...wud hav been betr if u had given good reasons to share with us, on how PH can become better as a country, rather than showing signs of jumping ship for the sake of blue eyes and chubby cheeks
So nabbing foreign men through a "common friend in a company" is the latest MO deployed by filippinas to continue plying their despicable trade? We already heard this one on @desperatelyneedingadvice's post above, and know all about what happened to him.
Are the older turkeys now employing the young self-proclaimed undergraduate with the online "sweet naivete" persona to continue with the deception? It is clear how your role here has been to counteract and help buoy the business of your cohorts, @Belle - from white men to Korean men within a day Belle.
Note to self and to all: can't and don't give the slightest benefit of the doubt to even the young filippinas who appear "sweet and innocent" at first.
You bad filippinas really have no more hope in you, let alone shame. From "no not all" to "the same with women in other countries" to "70% but not 100%" and now to "professional" filippinas not on the internet but introduced "by common friend in a company"? Yet another fine specimen of slithery filippina talk here folks. And who is the "common friend" happily introducing filippinas to a foreigner just arrived for the first time in the Philippines on work assignment or vacation? It will be ONE OF YOU or your pimps! Oh you wolves in sheep's clothing!!!
We foreigners are on guard and red alert now and ALL GOOD PEOPLE please start warning as many men about the bad filippinas we can, everywhere we can. If we foreigners don't get a handle on this bad filippina BS, we will soon be staring at an international socio-immorality pandemic that will destroy the very core of human ethics and family values first world countries are built on! Is this what we want for our children and our children's children?
Thanks for that @mytwocents and also @Fathima. We must unite and stand on guard for all the husbands, fathers and sons of our own countries against these horrible filippinas before they creep in and completely destroy the very social fabric of our societies.
@mytwocents
That is just my own interest but I don't know if others have the same interest as mine.
@objectivelyspeaking
desperatelyneedingadvice's said that he got the numberof the girl from common contacts. What I'm saying her is they should befriend someone who work in a company. Big company is better because that girl have the better job than other girl they just met on the street or in malls.
You surely don't get my point here, it's obviously that you are close minded and is despereately trying to destroy filipina image. It's fine with me. I can't do anything about it. So, I will just leave you with that.
From all my posts, All you need to understand my point of view is just a common sense.
@belle,
This guy was a fool to let any such creepy girl into his room.And it was the girl who called him, not the other way around
Who is to blame here ?
Its sheer ridiculous and irritating at the same time, that ur now advising him to get into trap of some so-called educated working lady. Who can gurantee that these kinda girl wont trap him ??????????????
@belle,
So by saying "I mean someone who work as manager, supervisor, engineer, programmer, etc. Those who have professional works","Big company is better because that girl have the better job than other girl they just met on the street or in malls."........are u trying to pitch your own case to foreigners looking for pinoy wives.
My friend, pardon me, but this is a wrong platform for such advertisments.
You may feel that few of readers here are ganging up to rubbish your view; but truly speaking; we all are trying to bring forward the realities behind the MYTH
I'm a Pinay and have an american BF. In our 5 years of relationship we never encountered any problems regarding sex and money. I think it depends on people. We are both nurses and have a lot of similarities, totally a good match. For those who wants to find a good person, try to visit your family and DO NOT SHOW YOUR MONEY. Made them feel you are living just like them.
Pinay always want to find a matandang mayamang madaling mamatay guy/man. What is matandang mayamang madaling mamatay? It means rich old die easily. It's a principle that has been passed down from generation to generation. That's what a pinay mother told her pinay daughter and so on and so on. So if a someone said not all Pinay like that. Hmmmm....I have to copy @Jameson question. Is that the same filipina that existed in a place called earth?
Filippinas don't need me or any foreigner to destroy their image on an online board like this. The saddest thing is the majority of bad filippinas have already destroyed the image of the minority good filippinas and that of the entire country as well. What foreigners narrate here are what they actually see in real life of bad filippina behavior.
Everyone deserves to be respected. That respect is naturally earned for those who behave respectfully. Why is there a need for defence if the reputation is good in the first place? The complaints are coming in from foreigners from different countries who do not know each other, connected only on here. But the complaints are all the same, and only about filippinas, not women from any other country. The facts are all there and the picture of filippinas is clear as day.
The injured parties - in this case the foreigners - have every right to protect themselves and their families.
FILIPPINA BIGAMIST IN SINGAPORE - Take a look at the date – 1996!!
“Singaporean Peter Sim Bak Cheng did all that and more. When he found out that his Filipino wife, Asinero Julie Tidula, 36, was also married in the Philippines, he gathered evidence of her bigamy and reported her to the police. Bigamy is an offense in Singapore.”
“When he first met her at a Tiong Bahru pub in 1996, Peter, then 40, fell in love with Asinero...”
"Peter, who used to earn $3,500 as a shipping company assistant manager, said he spent $130,000 on Asinero and her family over the years.”
Full article here: http://pinoystaronline.com/main/?p=2775
PINAY MAID FACES UAE COURT FOR SEX WITH BF IN BOSS' HOUSE
“A Filipina maid in the United Arab Emirates faced a Dubai court Wednesday for having sex with her Indian boyfriend in the house of her employer.”
“Making matters even more complicated, both the maid and her boyfriend were already married when they entered into their relationship.”
Full article here: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/231821/pinoya
Filippina shame is all over the internet. Many stories are old news. What has changed today? Only for the worse.
@Belle - education and professional qualifications have nothing to do with one’s moral core. Some of the nicest people I have met here in N. America are also the most unassuming and simplest dressed by Target or Wal-Mart, who have just enough for themselves yet will not hesitate to give to perfect strangers. They don’t sell themselves to foreigners for material things or fashionable clothes.
Nursing is a highly respected profession. Until @Fathima’s post, it was beyond my imagination that anyone would take advantage of sick people for a Blackberry or iPod. Florence Nightingale must be turning in her grave, all thanks to you filippinas.
Points to note from links provided by @objectivelyspeaking's post above :
"All she wanted was that he pay the bills – for her nursing studies and support for elderly parents and her younger sisters. And a million-peso house in Cagayan de Oro"
"In 2008, when he lost his job in the shipping company, Asinero disappeared from his life. For months, he tried to contact her through e-mails and SMS, to no avail. Finally, he flew to the Philippines in 2009, after sending her an e-mail to meet him. She never showed up.
When he went to the house he bought for her and her family, he was told that they did not live there.
Worried, he went to the police for help. The next day, Asinero called him on her mobile – and broke to him the news that she was already married to somebody else in the Philippines."
is it just another deja-vu or is it a well set norm
“This guy was a fool to let any such creepy girl into his room.And it was the girl who called him, not the other way around” – thanks for this one @mytwocents, as it took me a second read to pick it up. Is the self-proclaimed undergraduate @belle incapable of reading English right or is this yet another example of a shrewd filippina twisting a published fact in an attempt to blindside everybody? This is why we foreigners need to be so vigilant over every little detail with these filippinas. One tiny oversight can end up costing plenty, as have for so many already.
The Singaporean foreigner got some small measure of justice which can hardly be called a victory. Once led onto the slippery slope of a bad filippina, there can be no victory. For a man who earned a pre-tax income of $42K to give away $130K in a few short years, he must have thought he had married a darn good filippina wife. And Asinero must have been a darn good actress to have convinced him so, while the whole time being a bigamist and all.
If a “good” filippina wife can suddenly turn out to be a bad one the day a man loses his ability to provide generously, and this is hardly an isolated case in view of similar complaints by men from other countries, then how does a foreigner separate the wheat from the chaff? Wouldn’t marrying a filippina amount to something like playing Russian roulette? I am not making any statements here. Just asking some thought-provoking questions.
@mytwocents
Do you understand my posts or not? Didn't I say to just be friend with her and don't show any interest in any girls? Did I say 'try to hook up with educated girls'??
My point is that most, or if not all, educated and professional women don't hook up with foreign guy for money alone. And they have a reputation to protect. They are not does filipino who see on chat rooms looking for foreign husband to support for her.
And I said in my previous posts that BE FRIEND with professional women so that he would know that not all filipino women are like what is said here. (don't you understand the this?? OR you just want to give this other meaning.
Maybe you are just trying to lead away the true meaning of my posts. You are trying to give bad impression on my posts. Or maybe you just don't understand my post at all.
I didn't say, "hey, look for professional women to be your wife."
Can you please read my post again. tsk tsk tsk!!!
@belle
If you drop just a drop of ink into a bottle milk, the milk can't be drinkable, although it's only a drop of an ink. The ink would be blend with the milk. Just like cancer spreading.
No matter how hard you try to defend your fellow Pinay girl, the image of Pinay can't be change.
@belle
If you drop just a drop of ink into a bottle milk, the milk can't be drinkable, although it's only a drop of an ink. The ink would be blend with the milk. Just like cancer spreading.
No matter how hard you try to defend your fellow Pinay girl, the image of Pinay can't be change.
@belle,
Perhaps u are not understanding what others are trying to bring forward here...
i've been staying/visiting your country for over 30yrs now and know more or less, what class/categories/characteristics exists there.
Educated or non-educated, its always prudent to know about a girl and her background, her family, her mindset. More or less, Money is no. 1 on their laundry list. Be it from some village down south or from Metro Manila.
I'm not criticizing you or your intentions. Though, i still like to warn any foreigner looking for such deals. Due Diligence is what one needs, before doing anything or get trapped.
And sincerely, working or non-working girls is no criteria here. I know enormous amount of cases of marriages falling aparts, with the girl coming from both kind of backgrounds.
The problem is it pretty difficult to know their intention and ultimate goal as compared to girls coming from anywhere else in Asia. Such thing do exists everywhere, but the % is higher in PH . Take my words !
I totaly agree with what Fathima has said.Even the Filipino nurses are no better than other Filpinos.I will tell you my horrific experience here.I am an expatriate Arab in Saudi Arabia.An year ago I was hospitalised for a minor injury in arm.The nurse who attended me was a young Filipino guy(male nurse).He introduced me to his wife once,who worked in the same hospital as a nurse.A day before I left the hospital he asked me if I was interested in his wife,and if yes I could have sex with her at night.He gave me their address.What I should do is to pay them some rials.How can a husband be a pimp to his own wife?I could have complained this to religious police in Saudi Arabia which would even give them a death penalty.But I didn't.when i told this to my friends they werent surprised.They told me that Filipino women are the only ones who dare to sleep around with guys in saudi Arabia.Sadly no one were caught.I genuinely hate that race.They are a shame to man kind.What made this race loose all their self respect?.There can be good people among them too but 95percent are perverted ones.The world Filipna is a synonym for a whore in middle east.I dont think that its poverty that has made them like this.Bcopz there are poorer nations around the world but none of their women do what filipinas do.
@andrew
I am not trying to defend all the pinay girl. I agree with what they said but what I am disagree with is that when they say that 100% of all Pinay women are like that.
Because we all know that everyone are different. Only stupid people would think that everyone in one place is alike or have the same attitude.
@mytwocents
I understand all your point here but what you dont understand is my point. What I am only trying to point out is not all Pinay are like what you all said. I have even said that yes maybe 70% of Pinay are like whats been said here.
You said, "Such thing do exists everywhere, but the % is higher in PH", I agree with you on this. Yes, maybe PH have the higher % but it doesn't mean that its 100%, right. Did you mean 100% or not? If not, then I agree with you. Maybe now you get my point.
@RAMY
I cant believe what you said actually. I will ask my Dad about that issue since he's been working in Saudi for more than 20 years. I will also ask some of my friends in Dubai and Abu dhabi if they know thing like that before I would believe you.
belle,I don't want you to believe what I said.Because the residents of all Gulf nations must have had similar experience before.Why should I simply lie and do character assassination of a group of people without any reason? I have no prejudice against Filipinos or any one.Have you ever been to middle east?It seems you have not.Its very easy for any man with wallet full of money to pick up a Filipina to get laid.It can be the salesgirls or even nurses.
If many Pinay pimp themselves in Saudi Arabia then why there are many rape cases of Pinay by their bosses in Saudi. If there are many Pinay who pimp themselves why Arabians have to rape a Pinay? Why don't they just hire a pimp instead??
And why there are many chinese or Japanese girl in porn videos. I only see few Filipino s3x video but there are alot in Chinese or Japanese and even more Amarican girls. I also heard that it is legal in America for girls to show in s3x videos. And almost all teen girls who appear in that video knows about the videotaping.
I also have visited p0rn websites and their are a lot of american women and even teenager americans are in p0rn video.
There are really alot of p0rn video of american girls even on internet but you seldom see Pinoy in that kind of videos.
So if being a pimp they are no different in Pinays!
well,Belle did I mention anything about porn videos here?You can continue to defend your people bcoz as a Filipina you have full right for that.But the truth is always a truth.Why do people look down Filipino women in middle east?There are hundereds of expatriate women here from India,Pakisthan,Egypt,etc .Why aren't they considered as similarly?I have only told here what I have seen.Seeing is believing.I don't want to argue with you .
well,Belle did I mention anything about porn videos here?You can continue to defend your people bcoz as a Filipina you have full right for that.But the truth is always a truth.Why do people look down Filipino women in middle east?There are hundereds of expatriate women here from India,Pakisthan,Egypt,etc .Why aren't they considered as similarly?I have only told here what I have seen.Seeing is believing.I don't want to argue with you .
I cannot totally agree with @Ramy.How can you brand all people because of a few perverts?As an Indian girl living in middle east for decades,I think that the majority of Filipino women who come to Middle East are the perverted and spoiled ones.There can be really good people back in Philippines .In spite of all these One has to agree that Filipinos are one of the most hospitable people in Middle East.Unlike Egyptians or Paks.I had a Filipino kinder garden teacher when I as a kid.She was one of the most loving teacher I ever I had.Sadly she had to leave the school. she had to leave because she was caught doing immoral acts in a car with her Egyptian boyfriend.Still I consider her as the best teacher I ever had.When you judge a race or person you needn't consider his/her sexuality or morality.There can be some race whose sexual drive is higher than others.blame it on genes.Filipinos are harmless,sweet,happy people.No wonder western men crave for them.I think Indian women should try to be as sweet and hospitable as Filipinos. If a pretty young girl accepts an old man as her husband,I don't think there is anything wrong if she demands something in return.she deserves it.Neither me nor any Indian woman could accept an old man no matter how rich he is,as husband.It shows how narrow minded we are.Filipinas on the other hand are more tolerating ones.
I cannot totally agree with @Ramy.How can you brand all people because of a few perverts?As an Indian girl living in middle east for decades,I think that the majority of Filipino women who come to Middle East are the perverted and spoiled ones.There can be really good people back in Philippines .In spite of all these One has to agree that Filipinos are one of the most hospitable people in Middle East.Unlike Egyptians or Paks.I had a Filipino kinder garden teacher when I as a kid.She was one of the most loving teacher I ever I had.Sadly she had to leave the school. she had to leave because she was caught doing immoral acts in a car with her Egyptian boyfriend.Still I consider her as the best teacher I ever had.When you judge a race or person you needn't consider his/her sexuality or morality.There can be some race whose sexual drive is higher than others.blame it on genes.Filipinos are harmless,sweet,happy people.No wonder western men crave for them.I think Indian women should try to be as sweet and hospitable as Filipinos. If a pretty young girl accepts an old man as her husband,I don't think there is anything wrong if she demands something in return.she deserves it.Neither me nor any Indian woman could accept an old man no matter how rich he is,as husband.It shows how narrow minded we are.Filipinas on the other hand are more tolerating ones.
Filippina whores don’t have the need for too many porn sites because they are dressed up as “the perfect wife for foreigners” which basically redefined the whole business of whoring, a point I had brought forth in an earlier post, and the pimps are disguised as the "common friend". Just look at the top-right sidebar on this board alone. 4 of 6 “Related Hubs” are such sites. Asking to be taken shopping instead of being paid the whore-fee in cash after a night or 1-2 weeks with a foreign tourist in a hotel, just so the filippina whore looks and feels more like a “girlfriend”. Go ask any foreigner who paid a bar fee to take a bar girl out in PH. @mytwocents is courteous enough to call it a MYTH. I would call it plain and simple shameless blatant deception, period.
As for rape reports, filippinas are not above committing perjury and falsely accusing men of rape, if we recall the well-known Subic rape case in 2006 of Suzette Nicolas, a management accounting graduate at that. And that's just one case that made it to the news in a big way. This happened right on Philippine soil, and the case was thrown out in 2009 by 3 FEMALE Filippino justices because "... a careful and judicious perusal of the evidence on record does not convince the prudent mind about the moral certainty of the guilt of the accused, hence we must acquit."
Nobody here will argue that real rape cases do not exist, within each country and among their own people. Why do filippinas end up being raped in foreign countries? This requires me to reiterate a point in my previous post...if more undergraduates would spend their time studying to complete their degree then think about how to better the social and economic well-being of PH and its people, (instead of surfing porn sites to try and delude foreigners into taking their chances with the supposed 30% of good filippinas left if in fact there are really that many but more on that later), there would be less OFWs being shipped abroad to cook and clean and raise other people’s children instead of their own, or risk life and limb to build other countries’ infrastructure instead of their own. And how many times do I need to reiterate this simple and obvious point to the filippinas here?
Now back to this insipid recurring argument on “not 100%”. OK, so we see here the range as being 70% - 95% from previous posts. The median between 70% and 95% is 82.5%. I shall only attempt to speak for the US. 82.5% falls right smack in the red alert zone for “extreme danger” in the 5-Level Safety Warning System from Green – Red. The cut-off point is 80%, not till the last man standing, so don’t waste any more time trying to take us foreigners for stupid. Sorry for dashing the dream of @belle hooking up with a foreign man, which is the obvious mandate behind all her posts here.
If in the perception of @DIVYA, it is OK for a kindergarten teacher to be caught doing immoral acts in a car with “her Egyptian boyfriend”, there is little need for further comment on where her mindset belongs. I for one would not be so quick to believe the Egyptian was really a boyfriend and not a john.
A teacher trying something like that in the US will be answering to more than just being asked to leave the school, let me tell you that. A teacher’s responsibility is more than just teaching, but also as a role model to all her students, HELLO ?!?!?! And here we are talking about doing the dirty deed in a public place in a foreign country that takes serious enough religious views to pass laws on such travesty?? This is precisely what the Gulf nationals here are talking about filippinas being the only foreign workers daring to flout and disrespect their laws on whoring and pimping. You really helped open our eyes to more filippina misdeeds to add to the list. We haven't fully digested filippina nurses whoring to patients for cell phones. Now we are hearing about filippina kindergarten teachers (to young impressionable pre-school minds) breaking the law of decency in a public place? Wow, thanks for that @DIVYA. The clear-thinking foreigners here would surely be thinking about the role your filippina kindergarten teacher has played in shaping your mindset today.
Further, I would like to say hold that thought on “I don't think there is anything wrong if she demands something in return.she deserves it.” Just 2 months ago in Sept. 2011 in Florida, a 78-year-old man shot and killed his 21-year-old filippina bride who brought with her a 9-year-old kid not fathered by him but whom he took in to provide for, before turning the gun on himself. The reason for this tragic murder-suicide? The 21-year-old filippina wasted no time in hooking up with a new young boyfriend before her feet were even warm on American soil, WHILE STILL MARRIED and being provided for by the 78-year-old American husband. Did the filippina deserve it? Perhaps @DIVYA should answer that question. I will certainly say that the 78-year-old husband and the 9-year-old child did not. This is the kind of filippina garbage being played out on foreign soil again and again. And this is what we foreigners find so offensive and disgusting we don’t want it in our countries anymore. And this is why this board even exists!
As for you DIVYA, maybe you should consider migrating to the Philippines. It will be fairlyland for you.
The juxtaposition of my statements 2 posts above relating to bar fees and bar girls in PH was purely coincidental, and in no way implied that @mytwocents had ever been a client. Quite the opposite, this reader has consistently expressed similar thoughts as mine, which I appreciate very much.
@objectivelyspeaking. Whatever it is, one thing i can see here is that @divya is comparing apples to oranges in a meatshop :)
@mytwocents - I am actually starting to wonder if @DIVYA is @belle's friend from the Middle East. She did say she was "calling for backup" from Dubai and Abu Dhabi. I wonder if her dad will be joining in this discussion soon, and give her a tongue-lashing for surfing porn sites instead of studying, in a bid to convince foreigners to spawn with her, lol. These girls basically have no idea what they are talking about. I am just "humoring" them here :o
I was actually wondering if some of the posts here from different person belongs to one person only or maybe they are her friends but I stopped wondering about it until I read your last post @objectivelyspeaking.
All I did was smile and I want to convince myself that my thoughts are right since I can see that it's how you think maybe you do that as well. But FYI I dont have any friends here. I am actually hesitant to ask my Dad because we are not really like telling stories to each other. I am planning to ask him when he has came back from abroad.
And I will my Filipino friend who are working in middle east. DIVA is an Indian so she is not a friend of mine. And I have no plans on directing my friends here because I know that they don't have time to read this posts because they are busy in their works.
More slithery filippina talk. The fact that you @belle are even on a board like this already tells us a lot about what you are all about. I have been observing posts from your handle too, and noticed the grammar and syntax seemed to vary and not always consistent. It did indeed cross my mind if you were always the same person.
@Divya,How can you justify such a shameful act of your ex teacher? You ask Indian women to copy from those Filppinas?Shame on you.Though I am a Kuwaiti woman ,I have high respect on Indian women.Most of them here in middle East are conservative and obeys our rules.None of the them try to wreck the Arab families by hooking up the bosses as Pinays do.You have to feel proud.I think you are a dumb girl .
@objectivelyspeaking,It isn't unusual for Filppinas to have Egyptian or other Arab boy friends in gulf.When I asked a Filppina why she chose an Arab guy her answer was that she worships the long slender nose of Arab guys.lol 1 year ago an Egyptian stabbed his Filipina wife ,Norheisa here in Kuwait.Its after he found out that she is cheating him with another guy and she has filed for a divorce.I do not justify him but I think all foreigners should keep away from these easy,slutty women.I believe that they are the only people which so much of self hate.Why do they find their own men so unappealing?They desperately want to mix with other races.I believe that almighty have given these people little brains.That is why their women choose to live by using the place in between their legs .I might sound very offensive,but its the reality.We Arabs are only happy when people from third world countries depend on our nation for their bread and butter,Allah will be greatful to us for that.But what should be our attitude towards such women ,born in dirt poor families in Philipiness,who come to Middle East,spread their legs to any man they meet here including married Arab men bringing problems in their families,demoralizing young expatriate men .But finally these women toss them for a western man whom they had met in any dating site and thereby get a visa to rich western nation.I totally agree with you,@ Fathima.They are worse than professional whores.I think even Thai women have more self respect than Filipinas.
All of my posts are from me alone. I agree with you because I am not really good in english. Sometimes I'm good sometimes I'm not. Sometimes, I feel lazy to read my comments before I post it. That's why i have many mistakes.
That's also one reason why I will not ask my friends to read this because some of my grammars are not good. :)
I don't wanna comment anymore because i realize that this is your site, this is your blog you. So I'll just leave it all to you. :)
And so are all my posts, @belle. I will never write as an imposter, as deception is what I am against. The foreigners who posted here have all posted independently, and we all know who we are, not someone else. To say that this is my blog would be both unfair and spiteful. I hope you have learned some really important things from the posts by the many foreigners here, those who have been or still are in your country, those who have never been. Our opinions about filippinas have resulted from experiences and objective observation in real life, and I have learned from the others also.
Beware guys, Filipinas is cunning and sly. So always cautious if you meet one of them or have them working for you.
I agree with @andrew. This is far from over. These filipinas are on this board to pull wool over foreigners' eyes, detract from the point and purpose of this discussion. They will lie low for awhile, as soon as our heads are turned, they will come for an instant replay. Therefore, we must keep vigilant on this board and others of similar nature, be always on guard and watching out for one another, warning others in our real life contacts, especially our younger men. Unsuspecting foreigners get caught by total surprise because the MO of these filipinas are so out of the norm and unthinkable in our own culture, realization comes only in the form of a rude awakening and always too late. And they are sly and cunning enough to keep changing their MO too. The only thing that does not change is their rotten core.
If we read the full reports from various media sources, we often find that the foreign husbands who killed their filipina wives were pushed beyond breaking point not just from the cheating but also from the unthinkable insults hurled in their faces by the same woman who so professed her LOVE, LOVE and LOVE for them. American husband Dr. Jonathan Nyce was called a “fat old freak” by his cheating filipina wife, as soon as his business started to fail...after more than 10 years of marriage in a million-dollar matrimonial home. One can only imagine what insults the 78-year-old husband had to bear before he blasted his filippina wife’s brains out in the Florida case, or the Egyptian husband who knifed his filipina wife to death in the Middle East.
@Andrew’s ink in milk analogy is right on point. When we think about this relentless cross-breeding pursued by filipinas, what is going to be the end result? Each offspring carries a copy of both biological parents’ DNA, to be passed down to the next generation and the next. What is in the gene of a filipina who whores herself to a foreign man in a marriage by deception? There are reports of pinoy fathers bringing their underage pinay daughters to hotel rooms of foreign tourists to frame them for child-rape, with the police fully in the game. The foreigner is then pressured into dropping a whole wad of USD in the ‘000s to have the charges dropped. What is in the genes of a filipina whose own father pimps her out? She then goes on to hook up with a pinoy boyfriend who gets her pregnant then pimps her out. Next she marries a pinoy husband who again pimps her out. So the filipinas claim their only choice to a better life is to marry a foreign man? But who are the mothers who raised these lousy pinoy fathers, boyfriends and husbands? The previous generation of filipinas who whored and lied and dumped their kids on others to run off with the next foreign man and the next!!! This has been going back generations for the s***pile that is the PH today. And now these filipinas want to mix their ink with the foreigner’s milk? If we don’t start keeping a lid on this today, all countries in the world who cross-breed with bad filipinas will end up with lying cheating women not above whoring, and lazy no-good men not above pimping, by the scientifically-established principle of genetic inheritance.
The only discussion here is a string of one sided hateful bigotry for people who have nothing better to do with their lives other than bash a group of women. Sad...very sad indeed. Look at yourselves for once. You certainly aren't saints. I would never show my fiancee this discussion as she is already aware of the filth that people can spew at her. Heck, she cried when I told her one of my friends asked if she was a mail order bride and with good reason! Me? I was angry because that is what ignorance does to me. Then, I thought about it a little more and found his ignorance hysterical. I am not here to tell you haters to quit hating. I wouldn't dare do that as I know your hate is keeping you warm at night. Just don't try to tell me who I am or who my fiancee is. If all you can see is the colors of our skins and the places of our births, then you aren't worth much for my conversation.
The only discussion here is a string of one sided hateful bigotry for people who have nothing better to do with their lives other than bash a group of women. Sad...very sad indeed. Look at yourselves for once. You certainly aren't saints. I would never show my fiancee this discussion as she is already aware of the filth that people can spew at her. Heck, she cried when I told her one of my friends asked if she was a mail order bride and with good reason! Me? I was angry because that is what ignorance does to me. Then, I thought about it a little more and found his ignorance hysterical. I am not here to tell you haters to quit hating. I wouldn't dare do that as I know your hate is keeping you warm at night. Just don't try to tell me who I am or who my fiancee is. If all you can see is the colors of our skins and the places of our births, then you aren't worth much for my conversation.
@objectivelyspeaking You speak with such a burning passion as if there is some conspiracy for you to take responsibility of and lead a movement against. Really scary actually if I took you seriously. Then again, I am sure there were some who laughed at Hitler when he made his incredulous speeches against the Jews, but we all know what happened next. Anyway, keep up the "good" fight if that is what you want to call it. My girl and I will be mixing are educated ink and milk for many nights to come, and I pity anyone who tries to come between us.
*our
I made a mistake. Admitting you are wrong when you are in fact wrong...that's called a strength of chracter:)
@toodles874
We are only talking about bad filipinas here whose record of behaviour is echoed internationally already. If you are with a good filipina, then none of these comments apply to you and why should you be taking offence? If what you say here should mislead yet another unsuspecting foreigner to fall prey, would you be there to answer for the price he will have to pay?
Filipinas, filipinos and PH brought this bad reputation upon themselves. It is not even the foreigners' responsibility to have to make any apologies if their comments had offended any of the good filipinas. It should be that of those in PH who spent generations cultivating this bad rep, but do they care? No they don't. Everyone here who has a bad experience to report have been as diplomatic, even apologetic as possible, because it is in our culture to be politically correct, to first think well of others, to respect all as equal no matter what race or creed, to be careful about not painting everyone with the same brush, and so on. That's also how many ended up with bad experiences to share here and on other boards. Because we did not watch our back door closely enough. It has already been established by foreigners who actually live/travel through PH for years and decades that good filipinas are not found on the online landscape. Good, well-bred filipino men, and there are more than a few, will not want a pinay who chases foreign men, let alone advertises herself online to find one. Filipinas themselves have said white men who go for them online are those who can't afford white women in their own land - their words, not mine.
I recently read a report that the number one reason for divorce in America is no longer money. It is compatibility, which begs the question of how 2 people know if they are compatible intellectually and in everything else to make a good union, by merely chatting online with someone from another world and another culture on the other end of the globe, meeting for a brief few weeks during annual vacation... Many of us can't even establish that when dating someone local on a weekly basis over the course of a year, and that's a reality if one chooses not to ignore it. Ignorance is bliss. The less we know, the better it seems.
Who you or anyone chooses to date or marry is nobody else's business. I have no interest in your life or who you choose to marry. Go ahead with your own decisions. But those who see facts and logic from their own experiences have come to the same conclusion because there is only one.
Not only are Philippinos greedy they are narcissistic I never seen such evil and there all christian or catholic I don't think if they know what it means .... They have a tempter like childeren and still bling bling on the out site. Men are suckers usualy blined after going to bed fantasy of love only to be sucked dry.... There is no clear answer to bad marrage honestly no matter how you look at it really not.
But at lest take a stand for all men who have been in a bad marrage... Make divorce hell for them at lest they think twise about screwing someone over. I'm not saying its the answer... I'm just saying don't do them any favor after they try to destroy and humiliate you. Men have been getting the heavey hand in marrage for years. Woman know this. I think its the principal. Most men are not petty some are most men work out the problems... Its woman that get away with murder in marrage. Its time we took a stand.
@No one
That's why we need prenuptual agreement when marrying the pinay.
@objectivelyspeaking No there is not one conclusion, and that is what you fail to see. However, you do mention you are talking about the bad yet that is not how this discussion has gone about. It has been a generalization of a nation of people from the start. I am not offended but disgusted. Don't be concerned about. Many things disgust me. I think for myself. Why should I feel responsible for the choices of another man? I am not here to lead anyone. I give an alternative. You see, I am only offering conflict by giving insight into the other side that I have experience with without denying that your stance exists. I only think your agenda is overblown and know for a fact that exagerrated and generalized comments have been made by several here. Ignorance is bliss for some, correct, and a one sided debate is just that. You cannot not even begin to judge what constitutes the depth of someone else's relationship. Please, if someone can find compatibility in someone else through a non-conventional means, why deny it? Because you or others you know haven't been able to find that compatibility in a matter of spending weeks and years with someone? Did it occur that there was no compatibility to begin with? The potentially negative consequences of my "unconventional" relationship I am willing to accept as they are no worse than desperately trying to make something work with someone I am not compatible with. My agenda has nothing to do with political correctness either. I am simply the other side. The other side that you can not hide from or deny. To deny me, you delude yourself from the whole truth. To delude yourself, you remain in ignorance. I never denied you. I only refute the hatred that comes from classifying with disgust a whole nation as one dimensional. God knows the stark differences from one person to the next, and if you are truly living, you will see that in your own relationships with people no matter what the culture speaks. Some people think all Americans are a certain "way". Anyone who knows anything of America can tell you that further from anything close to the truth. Quite a simple analysis.
No, you or someone you know just got burnt, and you judge the whole nation. Typical because America sure doesn't have narcissistic evil people. American sure doesn't have wolves in sheep's clothing prancing around as Christians....oh, whoops! Think...think...think people before you write asses out of yourselves. God bless and help you all whatever your circumstances!
@toodles874
I am sorry but I fail to understand what your almost incoherent rambling was all about. I also do not know how it has escaped you that there are indeed many very good people who are passionate about the common good, who plunge themselves into the despair of others to do humanitarian work in the fields. The simple folks I mentioned in an earlier post are some of those people that I know. My little voice here is but a blip in comparison. Unlike the general cautionary posts by myself and others here, your posts from the start have been all and only about you and your fiancée. That is aka: a personal self-serving agenda. I take no offense at the incomprehensible furor you are hurling at me. My only concern is how in justifying your own personal choices, you are endangering more unsuspecting foreigners into falling prey, after so many reported cases already.
BTW, you need to do better than using Hitler to discredit me. Hitler’s proactive agenda on eugenics is the opposite of the reactionary cautions posted by myself and the other good and caring people here.
There is no doubt that good and bad people co-exists everywehre in the world.Many girls in all countries, show this kind of behaviour. The fault lies on guy's parts also to fall into such trap.
But the point is that in many countries, marrying a foreigner or being readily available to marry someone from abroad is still a taboo...or very rare to find.
While PH is among the poorest countries in Asia, the level of materialism on display here is quiet shocking. And this one trait of the society there, is what drives them for all sort of acts.
A little bit of spirituality, a bit more of self-restraint, hard work, and living life for a purpose; can change the face of this country forever.. But, these things are build up over a period of time by the society as a whole...seemingly impossibble in PH, as just so many of them are scattered across the world; while most of the rest staying back, are totally dependent on remittances...Who got time for all such thoughts of nation building.
No offences to anyone, neither am I scanning everyone using the same lens...but the fact still remains, that immense caution and due diligence is needed before going ahead with such marital alliances.
@objectivelyspeaking Incomprehensible? Incoherent? No objectivelyspeaking, you need to be doing better than that. You know exactly what I am stating as it is clear as day. Yes, I use my personal life for reference. Makes alot of sense to use experience huh. Come on now. Don't play stupid now. Even with the Hitler analogy, you fail to look at things you have stated and look into something that was never there. However, your statements might be more contradictive. This isn't rambling. It is the voice of reason against the two-faced bigotry flooding the board. If anyone has rambled incoherently, it is you because you don't seem to know where you really stand. You hate, but you want to help? Really?...and yes, hate is the appropriate word. Don't like it? Start working on your own change and let others be. You aren't going to change the world, the Philippines, and you aren't going to deter others from seeking out their own experiences. You want sheep to be spoon fed by you rather than seek out knowledge for ourselves. I have read your posts. You quickly jump to defense for the way you are when others express their experiences that are contrary to what you preach. You are not doing a good service for anyone by your obsession over immoral Filipina women. You could be directing your passion and energy to something much more useful and productive such humanitarian projects as you mention. There is nothing humanitarian about this board whatsoever. Caring people on this board? Are you serious? You don't care about Filipinas, and you aren't fooling anyone but yourself in that delusional world.
@toodles874
Not from my very first post had I ever bashed the women of an ENTIRE nation. Remember the shark tank analogy on my very first post? What I thought I knew about filipinas had only received further education by the posts of many others here of their experiences and observations. I had no idea of the disgusting repertoires of filipinas in the Middle East until the posts from Gulf nationals this past week.
Before you launch yourself into your next tempered rant, pause and ask yourself why something so natural as finding a fiancée has to land a man into so much drama and international online debate with total strangers.
The PH government has legally banned the business of mail order brides since 1990. Alec Baldwin is also banned from entering the country for making an off-the-cuff remark about PH mail order brides on Letterman. Perhaps you should inform all your friends about this so they don’t ask you that embarrassing question anymore and make your fiancée cry. Why do you think the ban was legislated? Because the PH government feels insulted that foreign men perceive their women as commodity that can be bought. Perhaps it is better for the foreign men who profess such love for a filipina, especially the educated ones, to love her family and country as well, to want to stay in PH himself, and help repair a country in such tatters, instead of whipping their women away to where it is convenient for the him. I don’t know which is more sincere – lip service and picking fights with strangers online, or proving one’s claims of love in deed.
I read your posts too. 5 months ago you said you are with your fiancée for 2 years already. I am surprise you are still on this board ranting anger at people instead of happily married already!
Yes! There are lots of caring people who are in PH only to help with effort and money. I plan to join the ranks of these in my own home country which is not PH. These caring people are not just zipping in and out for a rendezvous with one of their women, but actually live there to help rehabilitate to abandoned children and build safe houses. Have you even noticed them on your trips? Oh maybe not if the only reason for your visits were to romance the one for your own personal gratification. Then take her away and leave this land and its people to their own sorrows.
In your blind rage, you did not even see the sarcasm in my previous post. I knew already that you would respond as such.
Corrections: "...convenient for him" and "rehabilitate abandoned children".
Let me repeat my stand so you @toodles874 know I always know exactly where I stand - "I wouldn't give a fishfly if the Philippines implodes economically by the choosing and doing of its own people." I care for those who are being harmed by bad filipinas, I am and always will be against those who seek to deceive and entitle themselves to what is not theirs, with absolutely no regard for the lives and families of others.
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I am not done yet @toodles874
I have never jumped ship on my stand as you had tried to accuse me. My belief in good Filipinas is also genuine as I know they do exist. This is the reason I had repeatedly mentioned good filipina alongside bad filipina in due respect to them. But I am also concerned that I may be opening yet another loophole for the bad filipina to capitalize on, pretending to be a good filipina, knowing how sly and cunning they are from those who have engaged me in dialogues here.
@mytwocent’s take on PH materialism echoes what Ninoy Aquino wrote in a speech 43 years ago. Sadly, nothing has changed 43 years later and the PH has not moved one step forward because PH is a quadriplegic country that passes good laws that don't get enforced.
I have found only 2 good filipinas online so far and one of them is “proudlybrown” whom I have mentioned in my earlier posts. I found out her name is Denise from another board and how she has been accosted and propositioned by men since she was 12. This is what bad rep of a country does to its young girls. The inside look she gave of her culture and people is exactly what I and many others here are talking about. The other good filipina is right here on this board. The thoughts, feelings and ideals she expressed are in line with everything I have posted here to a T. The heart and mind of a good Filipina is the same as all the other good women in the world. She does not turn her back on her children and country, she does not leave her man when he is poor, she forgives him for his mistakes. She wants to encourage more foreigners to stay and help build her country into a better place. She knows what is going on in the outside world to know what’s best for herself and her family. She is aware of the bad rep of her people yet has the courage to hold her own. PH needs more good filipinas like her. Perhaps she should start a website to encourage more like her to step forward and make a radical change to the image of filipinas. Not like the other website that touts itself as promoting the new image of filipinas yet tell them to saturate their posts with the words "sexy filipina sexy filipina sexy filipina. Until the rest of the world respects filipinas as having more to sell than sex will boards like this one cease to exist.
Scroll up and read this good filipina's post starting from her first 14 months ago. Her handle is khayM
Haha..lecturing on philanthropy now? I have no rage or offense here. Again, just disgusted by the bigotry in the world. Keep it up if you like failing.
Nobody invited your assessment or grading.
And caution against potential harm based on so many published cases/reports from various sources over an extended period of time is not bigotry.
@ALL,
Lets not debate here as if we are teenagers..we need to face the realities and exceptions as a matter of rule..
No community is perfect in this world, and all of them have their share of shame...
@mytowocents
I felt the same about the last few exchanges too, but I was being called out repeatedly by someone with unfair accusations, in a attempt to detract from the main point of this board. You and @no one have jumped in to set things straight but the mindless rants and accusations continued without answering my most important question regarding yet another unsuspecting foreigner being mislead, which is the whole point and purpose of our being here. I need to respond so our efforts do not get side-stepped. People have lost lives and love and family, including people close to me, as a result of filipina evil-doing. This is not a laughing matter.
@objectivelyspeaking
Those rats is build up a "wall", so they can mislead the truth about their species, an evil pinay species. So that's why they try to provoke in here.
I personally thank you for the truth that you've posted in here. The pinay's mask finally cracked. Now, we know what they looks like.
I really appreciate the one who started this discussion.It really makeS people aware of the devil in a fILIPINA.I grew up around these women and really have wondered what made this women such perverts
I was born and raised in Philippines and I must say that it is very disappointing and disheartening to watch my people turn into something without morals and dignity. I don't blame anyone looking down on us with such disdain, because I myself despise them. I had been trying to fight these ignorance and unscrupulousness but being outnumbered, I am next to unheard. Being married to an american, I hate being judged and labeled as one of "them", For me, he just happened to be of a different color, and I would still love him if he is otherwise, and the worse thing I was ever asked was to help them get hooked to one. I call it as one of the "flip mentalities". It has a deep-rooted source, the socioeconomic status, moral disregard, and the lack of opportunity in this country for its less educated citizens. Education budget cuts, economic restrictions, corruption, incompetent governance, catholic church's hypocritical propaganda, are just few things that drives my people into a catastrophe. Desperate situation calls for desperate measure. I've seen mothers pimping their daughters to old foreigners, or pressuring them to marry one. But then quoting from "BreakingIce", what kind of a decent man marries a woman who could pass to be his grand daughter, and vise-versa. And actually believe that their "inlove"?!?!?! Let's not put all the blame to the woman, it always takes 2 to tango. And for husbands who cheated on their wives with a filipina, don't they know any better? Yeah, they've been seduced, but how stupid can one be to jeopardize his own marriage for a flippish affair? No, I do not condone these filipinas, I despise them as I was also a victim in the past, but geez! All the man needed was to use his common sense and have some balls. Yeah, she just used you, but why did you let her! Infidels, adulterers, and gold-diggers are everywhere and not just in the Philippines. What made them different from the Chinese mistresses, or the korean girls prostituting themselves at the casinos here to support their gambling addiction, how about the 2.5 million prostitutes of india? I am not trying to justify "those" types of filipinas, but it is not right to isolate, generalize and judge a nation (with 95M population) because of what a few hundreds morphed themselves into.
I also wish to thank you @Andrew, for adding your voice numerous times in standing up for the truth. On an internet board where participants post in pseudonym, credibility of the stated facts can only be affirmed by multiple voices echoing the same. In this regard, I wish to thank @mytwocents, @no one, and the Gulf nationals who provided insights from a very important angle, because of the very high number of PH OFWs there, second only to Asia. So thank you @Fathima for making your first post.
Since I started posting here, various parties have been calling me out repeatedly, trying to blast me out of this board. When we exercise discernment, look out for the unobvious, listen for what the filipina does NOT say, we can see through the smoke-screen quite easily. Truth trumps lies and deception, always. Although it may be hurtful for some, the strong words used by foreigners against filipinas is a reflection of their disgust. Contrary to what some have tried to assert, many of us are posting not because of any personal vendetta against filipinas, but a very genuine concern, in my case fear, for the far-reaching ramifications the havoc and destruction filipinas are wreaking on foreign lives, families, societies and future generations. We foreigners are not the aggressors, please make no mistake. All our posts are reactionary.
In a day and age when the internet records facts, news and data in chronology, it is no longer possible to whitewash this growing international societal cancer spread by "those" filipinas.
- All men are not Jesus. Only Jesus is above all temptation. When we have filipinas cornering men into adultery and surprise pregnancies, it is fair to say that the temptress is the perpetrator. Who doesn’t use precaution these days during casual flings but ooops it seems the filipinas are always getting pregnant with foreigners even during one-night-stands.
- Chinese mistresses are not pretend-wives, please make no confusion here. The Chinese have very a strict protocol on the rank and status of mistresses as the very rich men may have more than one, who BTW almost always a Chinese tycoon, not a foreigner. Filipinas deceive men into marriage posing as the perfect wife just to fleece him blind, pay for her entire extended family’s house and upkeep which also includes vacations, the education of the niece or nephew many times removed, etc. Has anyone heard of women of any other nation so famous for this like filipinas are? Not according to internet data. And not just any house will do. How many times have we heard about the million-peso mansion? But wait, still not done yet. How about a multi-unit income property as well, plus diamonds and European branded luxury goods. Many foreign women work their a**es off and still don't get to enjoy goods of such ostentation. Hey nothing wrong with that in a mutually-loving and giving marriage, but no. After the foreign husband has been taken for everything, it is time to cheat on him. JonEmma’s blog on the thread “Did my wife visit her ex-boyfriend” is just one example of this type of scenario. Equally incredibly elaborate was the way the filipina wife plotted the cheating. If you read his very long posts and pleas for answers from online strangers, you get the feel of how broken a man he has become. Sure, call this just an isolated case if you wish. Too many of us know it isn't.
- The scheming Filipina wife also patiently sticks around for years until titles on properties and business assets are all switched to her name only, overriding the husband's Will, taking all his assets from his children of a previous marriage. Calculative? If the rich foreign husband didn't die soon enough, how about murdering him after getting him to change his Will? This was what happened to Robert William Dublanko of Nanaimo, BC, Canada, a recent case where the Filipina got arrested and had the estate frozen pending investigation. The value was a whopping CAD10M, wow. Any foreigner here with family assets and a filipina stepmom or stepcommon-law-mom or even stepfriend-with-benefits may wish to seek a Will review before it is too late.
- During WW2, the Japanese forced women from Korea, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia and PH into sex slavery as comfort women. Do we hear about Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Malaysian and Indonesian women applying for entertainment visas to Japan enmass like the filipinas do every year? Thailand is the other Asian sex tourism destination. But foreigners go to them knowing who they are and what they are them paying for. Thai women don’t market themselves as “the perfect wife” to foreigners, get all eager to export themselves to foreign countries, then wreak their havoc of adultery resulting in murder-suicides in foreign family neighbourhoods where there are children who don’t need and whose parents don’t want them to see this type of horrific drama played out before their very eyes.
- Same with the 2.5M prostitutes in India. They are straight-out prostitutes, primarily serving Indian men in their own country. They pose no threat to foreigners’ lives, families and societies, like Filipina “wives” do.
- As for the ”few hundreds who morphed themselves", here we must thank the Gulf nationals once again for their posts. According to the very detailed stats provided by the PH government, there ‘00s of ‘000s of pinay OFWs in the Gulf nations. I don’t need to repeat the percentage given by Gulf nationals of appalling and shameful filipina promiscuity. The numbers are more than “a few hundred”. W-a-a-y-y more. Add to that, pinoys and pinays are the ONLY foreign workers who dare to flout their strict religious laws on such.
So let me ask...how is fair to now swing the bat back at us foreigners and accuse us of generalizing and judging a whole nation? The onus should be on the people of PH, especially the good people who know better, to clean up after themselves and not let this ghastly debacle slide for another decade. The Asian Development Bank already published the trend of filipinas clamouring to marry foreigners from 1989 to 2006. The percentage of increase in recent years was in the double digits. In the same period, PH per capita income and GDP was moving in the opposite direction. So it is clear this “desperate measure” is anything but a solution. It is socio-economic suicide. Why are we foreigners commenting and in some cases condemning the PH for this? Because deprivation breeds depravation. Filipinas clamouring to marry foreigners are bringing their depravation to foreign soil, and this is what we are protecting ourselves against. One bad apple rots the whole barrel.
I just came across this website. I just have to share my story to you guys. I am a teenage filipina and my mother is married to a british guy. They've been married long enough. After a few years of being together, my mom found out that her husband has been cheating on her. constantly. with other filipinas over the internet. one would even ask him for money etc. My mom found out about this because she was being nosy. she suspected my stepdad. My mom used to love him so much, i know that because she is my mom. she doesn't want me to know that she is having the worst time of her life, of course. she tries her best to make me happy and makes sure that nothing is wrong. i just can't wait to graduate college, and start earning. i am doing all this for my mom. she is my inspiration. i wouldn't be studying in one of the most prestigious universities here in the philippines if it wasn't for her. and i have been working my butt off, studying until midnight just to get good grades just to make her smile. i am the only one she's got. if it wouldn't be for me, she would have probably considered suicide. she is the best filipina for me. i just wish she had met someone else. a deserving man for her. now is too late because she is stuck with this guy. someday ill be earning lots of money and ill make sure that she gets treated the way she should have been treated. to all of you who have been fucked up by some uneducated filipinas, i just want to say im sorry in behalf of them. and please dont think that all filipinas are the same. the best ones are just hard to find. but you shouldn't give up. i hope that you'll be able to find a woman who deserves you.
@khayM, you seem to have no idea about what Filipinas are doing in our country.You should never dare to even compare Filipinas with Chinese,Vietnamese or Indians.Dubai is cosmopolitan country,so we grew up in a cosmopolitan atmosphere, sadly no women have dared to be as cheap and lousy as Filipinas in our nation.Ofcourse there are a good number of prostitutes in our nation from third world nations but I am sorry to say only Filipinas have such a bad reputation.It is bcoz they are the only ones who force the men here in to adultery and not these prostitutes.In 90s a law was passed by the government of many GCC nations.And do you know what was the law?Any gulf national seen with a Filipina will be arrested.It seems when god made these Filipinas he asked them to live by using their Vaginas,which is indeed their meal ticket.That is what my grandma told me when I was a child ,because we all have been watching these easy women since our childhood.chinese,Indian or vietnamese women have more self respect than Filipinas.
@Fathima,you are only jealous of the freedom we enjoy here in middle EAST.Its just sour graping.You also want more freedom in life like we have but you cannot since you belong to a Muslim community.Your insecurity is clearly evident here.Arab men find us ,Filipinas the petite women more attractive than you.So they come to us.Instead of wasting your time by putting insane amount of make up on face and kohl in eyes ,show some love and care to your men.They come to us since we care them.And they buy us expensive gifts including diamonds,that's our triumph.They treasure us so much.If you don't want us in your country ,we don't care bcoz we have plenty of opportunities in USA or Canada.But who will do the work of sales girls or nurses in your nation?Will the penguins like you,clad in black do that?Stop being jealous.Filipinas are highly wanted by Arab,western and men of all nationalities.We are the best.This blog is created by a frustrated,jealous,loser.Filipina rocks.
@Fathima,you are only jealous of the freedom we enjoy here in middle EAST.Its just sour graping.You also want more freedom in life like we have but you cannot since you belong to a Muslim community.Your insecurity is clearly evident here.Arab men find us ,Filipinas the petite women more attractive than you.So they come to us.Instead of wasting your time by putting insane amount of make up on face and kohl in eyes ,show some love and care to your men.They come to us since we care them.And they buy us expensive gifts including diamonds,that's our triumph.They treasure us so much.If you don't want us in your country ,we don't care bcoz we have plenty of opportunities in USA or Canada.But who will do the work of sales girls or nurses in your nation?Will the penguins like you,clad in black do that?Stop being jealous.Filipinas are highly wanted by Arab,western and men of all nationalities.We are the best.This blog is created by a frustrated,jealous,loser.Filipina rocks.
@Fathima, hairy & stinky Arab and indian women. that said, I'm not surprised why even your own men would rather sleep with filipinas. I was an expat in the middle east not a long time ago, and I met them all. And yes, I would rather fuck around with filipinas than the rest who I doubt even know what razors and deodorants are for. But hey, I know how to play smart and not to fall for the cheap cunts, but I've also met some sincere filipinas, though I didn't hook up with them, I respect them and became good friends until now.
I totally agree with Fathima Filipinas are a cancer to gulf.They look for easy money.Even for an ice cream they would sell their flesh.Most of them work for low salary and will sleep around with men for more money.@Brutus,Arab men only sleep with Filipinas very few would dare to marry them,because they know who they are in real.Only old White men dare to marry them and fall prey to their tricks.Filipinas desrve very harsh punishments for breaking our laws in middle east.The violators should be laid with their legs spread,and should be shot there
Nobody invited your hate. Yet, you spread it like wild fire. To each, his or her own. This is a free discussion, correct? Please, no double standards here. You obviously have a need to be heard. Fine. Just expect others to respond whether they agree or not. Again, no debate is one sided.
People should post in their own pseudonym, not hiding behind mine as @objectivespeaking on the post above this. I have not posted in almost a week.
@ @objectivelyspeaking
If you want to give a respond. Why should you hiding behind other people pseudonym? So...filipina
Thanks for that @Andrew. It was likely not a Filipina who made that post. That poster had to resort to hiding behind my pseudonym @objectivelyspeaking because even he knows it is hard to abet the perpetuation of Filipina lies, deception, whoring, pimping, and still come through as a creditable person with good intentions. The content of his post basically amounts to telling me to shut up and stop posting here for there to be a free discussion/debate that is not one-sided.
Isn’t a debate a discussion where opposing arguments are put forward? Isn’t the internet an open space for anyone and everyone to voice what they feel needs to be heard? Who is the one with double standards here? Of course these are all rhetorical questions.
Giving me full credit for spreading “hate...like wild fire” is even more incredulous. Everyone can see how these arrogant whoring Filipinas and their pimps have totally brought upon themselves an ire and a tolerance stretched to the limits in the Gulf nations. How does one expect the citizens of a host country to react to a particular group of women who for the last 30 to 40 years have been insolently breaking their national and religious laws against indiscreet promiscuity and adultery, disrespecting their family values hooking up with men not in red light districts but blatantly even in family restaurants where children enjoy family time with their parents?? Upon claiming triumph in seducing the husbands into adultery, turn around and hurl personal insults at the makeup and national/religious attire of the host country women?
Speaking against truth and facts can only land one with no leg to stand on. The poster who hid behind my pseudonym should re-examine what he is really standing for.
Hello i have read litle of comments and i dont agree with all of what u say.Of course many pinay want better life and they are searching somehow getting better life but that odsnet mean all pinay is bad.my Wife dont have jobs we meet in internet and of course i am sipporting her but she never ask me money for her or her relatives.When she need something to buy she sometimes work in sites becuase she is very shy to ask me money.We are 2 years now married and 5 years togheter.
American woman are nothing short of a prositute now days from the public school system. White and Latin females are expected to have sex with every black male that presents himself to her.
I married a Pinay at age 20 on vaccation. She never learned english because I would not pay for it. I only gave her enought money to shop. After or 5th child she basically gave up and we got married again.
She is very loving and loyal because she depends on me.
It beats having a whore for a wife, she might be like a muslium wife... but what man wants some educated slut having sex with other men behind his back? Seeking with means to run away? 87% of marrages in America end in devorce. Even a run away Pinay is better then the sluts in America today, they are trainned since 10 years old to worship blacks that play sports? Most of my non-black friends have 1 or 3 black babies in their childern and when they ask me I tell them to devorce their whore and go marry a fillipin.
ALL FILIPINAS ARE LAZY NO GOOD GOLD DIGGING LIARS!!!!
I'm a Filipina and I work in the aviation industry. My American BF is an aircraft mechanic whom I met on the internet. He said, I make him feel good about himself and I make him feel valued. He thinks I'm smart. I say he's skillful and handy and everything I wanna have in my toolbox. :)
From him I learned assertiveness. I used to be meek and too shy to verbalize my thoughts if it might offend someone.
Americans wear their emotions on their sleeves. I on the other hand, bottle my emotions and retreat in silence when I'm upset. He taught me to be vocal; I taught him to be patiently silent once in awhile.
Anyway, he's upset coz I'm not too eager to live in America. He gets mad when I don't ask for help.
Some of you have only bad things to say to Filipinas. Some of you truly have valid reasons why...but to love is to take a risk. Don't buy love and loyalty or you'll get what you're paying for.
@radarbloke96
"To love is to take a risk". I'd love that, ma'am. However, risk taker is different with dare devil. Gambling is also risk taking. Playing jackpot machine in las vegas also risk taking. If you win, you get lots of coins, if you lose you just walk away. Are you saying to love is like to gamble?
I wonder if your BF laid off from his job, would you still with him? If your BF is broke, would you still with him? Or dump him?
And I hope you also be honest with your BF that you have child or not back in your hometown.
Not all pinay like that? Yeah..right. For those of you who said " not all pinay like that", let me told you my story. My father and my mother have been married for 13 years. And when they've come to their 14th years marriage, my father met a pinay slut. And disaster happened. My father and my mother fight lots of time. My father even sold our houses for that pinay slut.
After that, my father leave three of us for that slut. Not long after that, because of the pain for my father action, my mother committed suicide. At that time I was 10 and my sister is 5. Can you imagine how were the feeling of 10 years and 5 years child, no home, no parents? Luckily, I still have my aunt who take charge of me and my sister. Because of her, me and my sister survived until now.
Now, for the "not all pinay like that" supporter. WHY SHOULDN'T I THINK THAT NOT ALL PINAY LIKE THAT? WHY SHOULDN'T WE JUDGE PINAY ARE SLUT? OR ALL PINAY GOLD DIGGERS? OR PINAY ONLY CAN SELL THEIR BREASTS AND THEIR GENITAL? Tell me, you pinoy/pinay is so smart, right? Your races is the best, right? Tell me?
I hate pinay till every bones that I had. Every time I see or bumped with a pinay, I always want to stab their heart with a big knife. Unfortunately, I still have my sanity. I wish that one day Filipina is wipe out from world map. Maybe what lilbang told about 4F..find them, feed them, fu*k them is right. I might do so. And I've read what jameson had wrote, always bring protection cause pinay must have STD. Thank you for the advice lilbang and jameson.
@ Hello, Jameson.
I don't use the word "gamble" coz I don't gamble. I only take risks--calculated risk.
I've always reminded myself, Americans are for Americans and Filipinas are for Filipinos..but heck, this white guy is a collector's item. The white race is diminishing as everyone's "cross-breeding". :D (alright, i like him coz he has a kind heart and tolerance towards diversity)
Mm..your other questions are a bit shallow. I say, values like honesty and loyalty have no color. They exist even among other races, even in yours.
Here's what I know too: One doesn't need to be a Filipina to break someone's beautiful family or dupe another person. Having poor judgment can do as much damage.
@Radabloke96
"Here's what I know too: One doesn't need to be a Filipina to break someone's beautiful family or dupe another person."
From your statement. Doesn't it mean Filipina is tends or well known to break someone's beautiful family? ????
@jameson
duh. pick up your brains; you might step on it. comprehension. comprehension. comprehension.
goodbye thread
@Radarbloke96
My brains is in the right place. Just like where filipina's image should be. :)
@Radarbloke96
Goodbye @radarbloke96. Don't step on your fellow pinay's image. Their already dirty enough. No need to be more dirty.
I believe @Jameson's warning on the high rate of STDs among filipinas seeking foreign men for sexual liaison merits attention. The scary thing is the rate of surprise pregnancies being quite staggering. A foreign man posted that he got persuaded into unprotected sex on first meeting because the filipina told him she loves him and trusts him and that's how protection flew out the window. It seems their skills in persuading a foreign man against his better inclination is quite well-honed.
(I have stopped pasting active links here as too many outbound links on a site drives down it's Google ranking while the opposite is true. So to bring more readers to this board, we can paste this link on other boards. Those interested in visiting outbound sites I mention here can pull it up using the related key words on the subject matter.)
Please see below a recent report on the PH main stream online portal channelnewsasia.com:
"Rise in new HIV cases in Philippines
By Philippines Correspondent Christine Ong
16 August 2011
MANILA: While HIV infection rates have been dropping globally, the number of new HIV cases in the Philippines continues to increase.
Since the first recorded HIV case in the Philippines in 1984, there has been a steady increase in the number of Filipinos being infected with HIV.
There are now 7,031 cases.
Eight hundred and seventy-five people have advanced to full-blown AIDS, and more than a third of these have led to deaths.
Teresita Marie Bagasao, country coordinator at UNAIDS, said: “It is alarming because if you look at for instance in 2007, the country was reporting one new infection per every other day. By the end of 2009 and towards 2010, we were already reporting one to two infections a day.
“Right now, given the current report, what the Department of Health is saying is that you are already reporting six new infections a day. So…the rate of increase is exponential.”
While other countries have either stabilised or shown significant decrease in the rate of new infections, HIV in the Philippines is on the uptrend.
It is one of seven countries that reported an increase of more than 25 per cent in new HIV infections, between 2001 and 2009."
We all know the reported cases are just the tip of the iceberg. How many are out there yet undetected and may never be reported?! As it is, reports are surfacing that filipinas are taking advantage of the free tourist travels within Asia to whore themselves after entering affluent countries like Singapore. The Singapore government has legalized prostitution in order to better monitor the health and safety standards through mandatory scheduled health checks on purveyors of such services. When filipinas sneak in as tourists then whore themselves on the sly, they are completely unmonitored, escaping the system, further endangering lives and health spreading any STDs and HIV. It seems they do this monthly and talk about it openly in their own village. One PH family in the village was so furious with this situation they made a post on a site asking where in Singapore they can report the names of such whoring filipinas in disguise!
This is not all the harm filipinas do in Singapore. We have already seen how they think nothing of biting the hands that feed them. I will not repeat the derogatory remarks one hurled at the Gulf nationals here. In August 2011, a filipina named Rachelle Ann Beguia married to a Singaporean man made a most incredibly insulting post on Facebook calling Singaporeans "morons" and "incompetent" targeting Singapore National Servicemen (the counterpart of American military men and Navy Seals). She caused such a fracas that inflamed Singaporeans demanded her immediate deportation. In response, an overseas Singaporean created the profile "Vote Rachelle Ann Beguia OUT" providing lots of interesting comments and outbound links through which the world can see yet another facet of the true colours of these filipinas and PH society. Just how much more do they want to continue destroying their own image to the world and how far down they want to drive their country is something beyond the imagination and understanding of many, myself included.
Filipinos are the biggest mistake done by god.I don't know why god made a bunch of people like them.A nation full of homosexuals and trans sexuals.People with very low IQ.lAZY People who just want easy way to get out of poverty,not willing to work.Woman who think their vaginas are their meal tickets.Even bother to sell themselves as commodities by advertising themselves as mail order brides.I genuinely warn you,men of other races,please stay away from Filipinas.You shouldnt pollute ur race.The offspring born out of an inter marriage between Filipina will be a trashy one with no brains,bad physique (height less than 5.3)and a shameless,gold digging mentality.protect ur race.Never pollute your race and breed the children of these sluts.plzzzz
@breeze,u r absolutely right....Also a nation of maids,bargirls and hookers.Y do u go to other nations and destroy the Families?Stay in your own country ,Filipinas.I am the sister of an innocent girl who tried to kill herself by drinking cleaning fluid when she found out that her husband is hooked up by a Filipina.
so easy to blame piliphinas for wrong decisions made...
they have long term objectives
not all filipina are mean like this...this is so unfair!!!!
DragonLadies.org
Yeah, yeah...I am sure it must suck that 20% of you are condemned for what 80% of you have been and still are doing to us foreigner families and loved ones. Then turn around and tell us it is the foreign men’s own fault, “it takes two to tango”, “ the man needed to use his common sense and have some balls”, “having poor judgement”, and so on. Isn't it true that filipinas dating or married to foreign men have been asked by others to hook them up with one? Isn't it true that filipinas already in the US are using their American fiancés or husbands to recruit more American men, bring them to PH to get hooked up with more filipinas? It is clear as day everywhere on the internet that you filipinas are going all out to hook up with foreign men, WHETHER THEY ARE ALREADY MARRIED OR NOT, on an agenda to cross-breed!!! What’s with that?? After you people screw up your own country you want to come and screw up our family and country we worked so hard to build? And we are supposed to keep quiet about this, say nothing and just accept your evil into our lives?
Two people in my life have died in the hands of you evil filipinas. So no, I am not going to keep quiet about it anymore, because the two who have died cannot be brought back to life. Because there is no sign among you filipinas of any remorse or interest to live life with some self-respect, integrity and appreciation for those of us foreigners who have extended a helping hand to you in good faith. Instead, we are slapped with your unjustified arrogance...that credit should be given to you pinays for building our country and helping improve our GDP, caring for our young and aged. I say BS!! One of you pinay maids starved my grandmother to death when she was in your care!! The pinay maid took her salary, lived in the nice room given to her in my uncle's nice house, consumed our trust, but never bothered to give my grandmother food!! Oh how come we did not know about it until we were given the cause of death by the doctor? Because it was a very big house and a special section with a special bathroom was built for my grandma, with a maid we thought we could trust specifically assigned to care for her. That’s how we never knew. I grew up very close to my grandma. We slept in the same room. She taught me to read religious books, took me for walks. The first time I ever saw a cobra in the grass, she was there to caution me and gave me a lesson on snakes. How ironic that she would eventually die in the hands of one. This is why I have been posting so ferociously and with so much anger against you lying cheating deceptive dishonest pinays.
Okay man, it seems you guys falling for these women over the internet is a little obsurd? How can you fall in love w/ a woman you've never touched, smelled, kissed, spent anytime w/ etc.. are you men who have never been in a relationship before? Women will prey on you quicker than fly's are attracted to poop. I mean come on. IF she is interested in you and you in her.. if money is an issue.. then yuo dont need to be dating anyway. For the most part what you need to know is dont date outside of the country. there are plenty of good filipina in the US already.. go to Stockton CA geesh why travel 2/3 around the world/ lol
hi,
afterall we are human beings.but the marrige should happen in similar age with love.otherwise greediness can happen from both husband and wife side.and now a days life is in america is really hard compare to other countries.anyways i m an indian married filipina.we both love eachother too much n we have a baby.so my advice to all country doesnt matter true love is important.coz money never buy happiness.
Its sad to know the truth but this is true! some pinay are users and gold digger! why some of us getting mad or disagree, this is the reality and i know some of pinay they have american boyfriend while living with their filipino bf,you can hide the truth but we cannot hide the REALITY
I understand how filipinas can be. but i know not all are alike. I am a Latino American. US military, stationed in europe and have met a great filipina women here. SHe has no desire to move to USA or be with an American. but we have fallin inlove with each other so therefore, alot can change.Any advice?
I've recently been using Philipino Cupid to find a wife. My experience so far has been each woman either asks for money or complains about money.
Has anyone had any success with Cupid? By success I mean you have been married for several years AFTER they have gotten the green card and had children.
One thing I have noticed with Filipino Cupid is that most of the women in the Phil will say age and looks don't matter and the age will be all the way up to 90 years old!
However there are many Pinays on Cupid that are already in the US and they are VERY selective of age and looks. These woman are all DIVORCED and often with a child. They won't date any man more than 5 years older and for some that's too old.
So, I think that says a lot.
I also read a statistic that over 73% of US marriages to foreigners end in divorce within the first 3-5 years. I also heard that some women will file false charges of domestic abuse and the US will let them stay in the country anyways while their innocent husband goes to prison. I heard the Russians women are doing this also.
I want to say thank you to all the Men who were brave enough to post their negative experiences. It's hard enough to go through, but to re-live it through writing about it is not easy either.
You all saved this Man from what would most likely be a horrible amount of needless suffering.
Here's a post by a man sharing his own experience on the JonEmma thread I posted about earlier:
“Totally agree - Philippina women are amongst the most unfaithful and conniving in the world especially when married to foreigners. Their allegiances are in order:
1. To themselves first and foremost
2. To their immediate family - parents and siblings
3. To their best friends and past boyfriends
4. To their kids
5. To their husband
So you see - you are last. Protect your financial assets and get the hell out of there!
I speak with not only personal experience but that of close friends and family too!”
On another thread posted by an American man who moved to PH, bought a house for the filipina in the usual "marry a filipina and you marry her whole family" scenario, he reported that when he went to the American Consulate after his filipina wife filed a "wife abuse" complaint and restraining order being put against him from going home to the house he bought, drive his car or access the joint bank a/c. He was left with no house, no car, no money - everything he brought to PH after liquidating all his assets in the US. The American Consulate told him that ONE MAN A WEEK IS BROUGHT TO HIS KNEES that way in PH and their best advice is "stop the bleeding and just go home". So men should take note - these filipinas are doing to American men on American soil exactly what they do in PH. The adultery thing is also in their culture. They sleep around with whomever, and they don't discriminate - they don't just try to seduce the husbands of foreigners but also the husbands of other filipinas even in PH!
For those American men who think that meeting filipinas already in the US is a safer bet, remember to ascertain how they got onto American soil in the first place. How many do we think are among those using another American guy to sponsor them in, then dumping him after getting the green card? Some of them have pinoy husbands and boyfriends in cohort, waiting to be sponsored in by her after she gets the green card.
Question:
If you bring a Pinay here on a fiance visa and then Marry them, do they automatically get a green card?
Do they still need your help to get one after marriage?
Can they stay your wife and stay in the US indefinitely without the green card? But must stay married to you or else they become an illegal?
If so, that may take a little of the risk out of the equation. One could tell their future love that they will be a great husband to them, but will not help them get a green card as a security measure for himself. If she complains then the rotten apple has been exposed.
Still other risks of course.
i am a victim of a filipina marriage,so are 18 other people i know,marriages from hell the lot of them, they seem to be very good until they come abroad and start mixing with their own type
i am going through hell with my filipina wife or (whore, liar,)the bottom line is unless you want a lot of stress and grief dont marry one.if you want love and affection go to the pet shop and buy a puppy. you will get no love, affection,communication, understanding from a filipina but you will get a lot of abuse sarcasm, critisism
Search Google with this key string "US immigration law on fiance visa" and the answers are there: Marriage to a United States citizen qualifies one for a green card.
The day the American man signs the marriage certificate, he hands to the filipina the right to apply for the green card, and the right to get herself "protection" against her American husband himself, under US law. They have it all figured out, hence the online marriage/dating sites all over the internet marketing filipinas as "the perfect wife" for American men. They are divorced "with a child" because the "child" was the instrument they used to nail the foreign man into marriage. Hence their "surprise" pregnancies we hear about all the time. Sometimes it doesn't work, as the foreign guy wised up and changes his mind. This "nail a foreign guy with a baby mentality" is a major cause of their country's gross socio-economic problems today. And yet foreign men get sold on having children with these filipinas who have so little respect for life and society?
PH was the only country in Asia with an English language advantage back 50 years ago. Yet today they are 50 years behind the economically developed Asian countries. How did that happen? There are many postings by the younger generation of educated pinoys who have consistently said that it is not their government that is to be blamed for their sad state of affairs, but the people. Women aside, a good number of foreigners, Asian and western have tried to invest or start small businesses there, only to be cheated blind and stolen from. Many have pulled out and moved their enterprises - the lifeblood of any democratic economy - to Indonesia or Thailand. This is why PH has been unable to prosper. What is worse, the PH abandoned children are now attracting child-sex tourism, further compounding the country's vulnerability, all thanks to these filipinas getting pregnant to nail foreign men.
I would have to disagree! Alto it is true in some women especally those that marry men much older than the women are it is not always the case. I am 19.5 years older than my wife and we have been married for over 8 years and she is now a citizen for the past 3.5 years and both happy married. I do know some that have failed, not always the womens falt, and more age compatible... From what I have seen locally a marrage between a white and Filipina has a better than average rate of success.. We met when I was 47 and she was almost 28. I feel age makes a differance in the choice also. I feel she was the best thing to happen to me... my advice is to chose a women who is mentally matured from outside the Manila metro area, educated, and understands the the reason or money is big is because out cost of living hear is big....
I would also like to add If the man travels to the Philippines after a trophy wife (Really young and beautiful) he will get what he deservs...
I sat here reading all the comments and I have come to the conclusion some of the men here are liers and the others are listing to BS! conclusion; dont beat your wife and love her and strive to understand her culture don't fool arround with other women when you are in the Philippines and you will have no problems.. remember that she will find out if the husband screws arround from the tricycle drivers and friends... some women will try to split you up .....
sorry Bruce you are talking through your arse you wouldnt have a clue
objectivelyspeaking - Thanks so much for your reply.
I'm thinking the best thing to do is not get married at all until the laws of our country become fair to men. It's unfortunate, but we must protect ourselves given the times we live in.
Bruce - Thanks for your story, I'm glad to hear you had success. Sounds like it's more of an exception though than the norm.
@Onto - you are most welcome. Don't have to stay single because of widespread filipina-wife horror stories. They are not the only women in the world. I have lived and worked in cosmopolitan cities internationally my whole life. Everywhere I look, even to this day, I see many beautiful Asian women - Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese already in N. America, who work hard in real jobs to earn their own keep. Then I see these filipinas shopping for luxuries with a middle-aged white guy footing the bill. Little wonder why other Asian women don't have the same gold-digger reputation filipinas do.
As for men who jump in to defend their filipina wife, they are among the lucky less than 20% who find a good one. One swallow does not make a summer.
After gleaning from posts here and other boards, it is clear that men who seek a filipina wife stand a greater than 80% chance of getting burned. If we don't buy stock or real estate fully aware of a greater than 80% chance of disaster, imagine the loss taking the same risks in a life partner.
155,000 Filipinas enter the U.S. per year as Fiancees or as brides. If is as terrible as it is said in these storys and in the minds of some of the men here, there would have been a stop put to it long ago. There would be warnings on the USCIS web site. There is no warning! but there was one posted for Russian brides 2 years ago concerning there assossion to the Russian mafia. I will say this bad news travels fast and just a fiew bad experances and all believe that all Filipinas are bad B.S. Not so.. Most of the couples I have met here have been married for 10 years or longer and the husbands are happly married and the wifes are happy also. Of the 40 or so marrages they also own homes in the Philippines and have lived there also. I also know that American women hate it because the Filipinas are taking there men. Of the marrages of friends who have failed (only two) One was because the husband was a drunk and a doper, the other was because of dept. I ask you that if married to women from here if those marrages would have worked? Please read my earlier post and you can see why 20% fail my facts are from the USCIS on the failuer rates. please remember that bad news travels fast and you never hear of the sucess stories..
Best advice I can give to anyone is find a educated women from the provences outside of the metro areas Ie; Manila, Cebu City, and Davao. and ask many questins about there lifes, ask what thay like and dislike, basicly learn about them as a women. A good girl will meet by recomenation.. The internet sites are a joke. Avoid them! do you think you can meet a good girl in a bar? (Paraphrasing) In the Metro areas the women are so cosmopoliten and know how to get you and ultimly screw you over... same all over the world.. (Brother I've been all over the world) clubbing here you will learn that there are questions asked by the girl you meet covertly in the clubs, where do you work, how much do you earn, how much child support you pay, what you drive...these questions will be asked in the first 20 minutes of a conversation, there mothers teach them this here in the U.S., they are looking at the bottom line on how to get into your pocket book... If a man is wise he will see through the crap hear and over there also. My wife has many filipina friends and they enjoy being together so they can talk there lingo and eat there foods that is just fine with me... My wife teaches elementry school, and the school board and parents love her teaching abilities ans her skills. I know some men have had a bad experance, for that I am sorry but you can't be thinking with your little head and not your big head... Enough said... Hate filipians if you want, spread your poison if you think nessasory.. I know better.................
@Bruce - You asked why it's not all over the news about filipina's being awful since 155,000/year come here on fiance visa's (You're stats by the way, not sure they are true)
1) When there are 20+ million divorces a year, 150k is insignificant.
2) It's not really important news to most. Men in the US are being screwed over by American women in family courts for years. It's a feminine dominated society.
3) The news can't fault filipina's directly because it will be seen as discriminatory. Our country is very against racial discrimination and profiling even though forienger's come here and do exactly that! They build a nation with a nation and discriminate against all others (Most especially Indians).
The story I read about the Russian mob had to do with the mob paying US Men to fake marry strippers to get them into the country so they could work as strippers for the Mob.
Glad to hear you found a gem. Please keep us posted every 6 months on your marriage and your friends.
@desperatelyseekingadvice - If you haven't left the Philippines yet, I advice you do so immediately before she has enough time to set you up. If she's pregnant, it's 99% not yours, but the country is so corrupt she will pay someone off to say the DNA test says it's yours. RUN!
I refer to my past posts.
The metro Manila is the worlds worst for seeking a wife the Visayas area is probibly the best... in fact the whole of southern Luzon is bad news and forget mindenao ... Been all over the world brother and sampled all....
I was also just about to post that the US govt. sites are the last places to look for real news when it comes to interracial domestic issues, and domestic issues, period. The law and international relations just don’t work that way. Anything domestic, like being screwed over by a wife (doesn't matter from which country), is considered our own personal problem, the law does not interfere, unless there is violence, which is when the men get screwed again. On the program Crime Inc. on CNBC last night, they even said when theft occurs on commercial premises, the police are all over it immediately. Home burglaries hardly get the same action, or attention, with cases worked on through whole different channels within the police force. The internet today provides the best resource for research on any topic, and we owe it to ourselves to use it for self-education and protection. The most reliable info will come from people sharing their own TRUE experiences. After all, don’t we always read reviews by others before us before booking holiday resorts, and see the star-ratings before we decide?
How many of us have that kind of luxury and time to travel through the 7103 PH islands to find the right wife? That’s how so many get scammed on their internet “beautiful filipina” sites, and recommendations from their own people. I myself almost got scammed by some Nigerian from Lagos pretending to be living in Europe. Even had a European phone number to call me from. In the end it was fervent online research that taught me how to spot the red flags and that save my a**.
My own filipina maid was a gem, but my other family members and friends were not half as lucky. I don’t dare go around championing filipina maids to everybody because when someone is less lucky than me, I will be guilty as hell. Let others do their own fair and educated research from all available sources and make their own decisions.
nobody will be fooled if nobody will let it happen. be warned! your not little children. its not about the money, its all about your attitude.
I have been happily married to a Filipina -- with whom I recently had a child -- for nearly four years. This has also been the experience of most of the mixed couples we know, of which there are many. While international marriage agencies claim that about 80% of the marriages they arrange survive (better than that national average), I am skeptical of that figure. More likely, the truth is closer to what has been claimed by a whole slew of academic studies on the subject -- that transnational marriage (the majority of which are with Filipinos)are about as likely or unlikely to succeed as any other. While I have no doubt that some of the 30,000 foreigners admitted to the U.S. annually on fiance visas have fraudulent intentions, there are ways to lessen your chances of ending up with one of them. My advice: definitely stick with women from the provinces (the more rural the better); take plenty of time to meet visit them in their home environments, meet their families, neighbors, etc.; don't be too quick to send them money; and, most importantly, trust your instincts. If someone asks you for money, even for what they represent as an emergency, it's a red flag. If they're overly anxious to come to the U.S. it's a red flag. If they're too quick to say yes, it's a red flag. Use the same common sense with Filipinas that you would with any other woman anywhere. If you get a good one, you are truly one of the most blessed men in the world. Good luck.....
anyone cannot judge all FILIPINOS,(PINAY in particular)coz you only know the stories but you don't know what they feel and gone through with their husbands...
Hmmm...I have said this before...who raised all these lousy pinoy husbands you pinays are giving as reasons for chasing after foreign men? The previous generations of filipinas! As far as we can see, the present generation is doing the same...try to nail a foreign man with a prenancy, if it doesn't work, toss the kid at the grandma to look after, chase the next foreign man, and so on...
“...transnational marriage (the majority of which are with Filipinos) are about as likely or unlikely to succeed as any other. “ – thanks for that @David. That is about the most level-headed, fair and genuine comment from a man who did NOT have a bad Filipina-wife experience. Now we have finally landed back on earth. I have always seen all the hype about filipinas being better wives than American women if not all other other women on earth as overrated and false advertising. Transnational marriages in N. America are mostly with filipinas because PH is the only country exporting their women to this mind-boggling extent. @Bruce’s posts basically amounted to saying the principle of a successful marriage with a filipina is loving and understanding her, not beating her up and not cheating on her, as if this same principle does not help if the wife is American or any other race? And men did not commit any of these indiscretions that resulted in the 50% divorce rate in local marriages, it is all the women’s fault because they are not filipina?? Think about how this is making any sense.
Again and again we read about how PH people value family. The reasons their women are willing to marry so far away enmasse is because PH is such a messed up country there is no denying it. Their own educated people have written tons on what’s wrong with their country and people - and they are NOT blaming the government. We should really think twice about the kinda risks we are taking and what we are inviting into our country. Good people are always welcome everywhere. Here’s a comment by a newly arrived expat in PH:
"Im in Philippines and shocked by the # of affairs/ adultery. Filipina and foreigner very common. You notice? This is a bit unnerving since the image is of a good predominantly Catholic nation. I can only imagine the damage this causes for the children who see a parent live a life of adultery. I understand among Filipinos this may have to do with the lack of proper divorce laws. But in the foreigners country there are consequences for the behavior."
well,,not only filipinas,,,chinese,have also dark secrets..we cannot trust anyone now in this world,coz even your shadow will leave you in the dark!
This is old, a few pinays further up on this board have already tried to use this line of argument but it didn't stick for every obvious reasons.
In the cosmopolitan city where I live, I have met oh so many filipinas who claim to be half-Chinese or part-Chinese or somewhere up the line to be vaguely Chinese, all without being prompted. Interesting why they should see the need to establish this "affiliation". I have met a young filipina who told me she has no parents, was raised by a grandma coz "everybody died" on her, yet was travelling through China and Thailand and Japan in her teen years. Because I am not a patron of the "Asian Women Industry", it took me a while to figure out she was being trafficked. She is in N. America now divorcing her much much older white husband, getting the nice house and car, already hooked up with a white man still married to another woman.
My friends on dating sites here find themselves invariably asking local Chinese women if they are open to dating a white man. They ask this because Chinese women don't chase after foreign men enmasse like filipinas do. By culture and tradition, they tend to marry within their own. They even have funny names for white men like "gwai lo". Even in major Chinese cities today, their highway and street signs are all in Chinese coz they don't see the need for dependency on foreigners. And look at where they are today economically and financially. It is my sincere wish that the Philippines can take a lesson from not just the Chinese but other economically successful countries in Asia. The way to prosperity is through one's own honest hard work, not whoring and pimping to foreigners or seducing other people's husbands. I have read some very intelligent and articulate prose by filipino men. PH still has great potential. Just stop destroying it by starting to love your own people, country and children. I personally feel that those foreign men who choose to love a filipina should stay with you all in PH and help rebuild your country, so you don't have to leave family and loved ones behind, and your country in tatters.
I think it is not fair for you (the author) to categories all Filipina's in the same category! In my experience it all depends on the person's personality.
Another point is why would a stupid, ignorant, desperate buffoon marry a woman/girl that he never met in real life or only met once and met on the internet. Surely you should ask yourself whether or not if she is actually genuine. People can lie and deceive you, so use your brain!
Not everyone who comments here is "a stupid, ignorant, desperate buffoon" who married "a woman/girl that he never met in real life or only met once and met on the internet."
That in itself is a generalized assumption.
Every people have a bad and good side, every country and race has also. Americans, Philippines, Chinese etc has bad and good side also. Gold digger, opportunist, liars every country has that kind of people. Love is not something you type on the net, talk to them for a while then BOOM, love you let’s get married. Mature people are always responsible for their action/s and ready to handle all the consequence/s. They think before they act, you don’t have to get a higher education or MBA to have it. I’m also a Filipina, I also read a lot of news about bad side of other country or race but I don’t look at it generally. I have expediences working abroad and encountered the good and the bad side of their people but I don’t discourage myself making friends with them….Well good luck to the author, I’ll hope you find one true Filipino/Filipina friend…
i come cross this page while searching for a "filipinas bad reputation" I had this experience two week ago in a business meeting with some American and British representative from MOOG. I worked for this company since i was 19 fresh from the university. I searched for this because i want to know what other people think about us.
One British guy said he will pull some strings just to make our proposal be accepted (well company matter should not be discussed in a public forum)if I sleep with him as long as he is here (they will be here for 7 days)I feel so insulted slap him in front of the other managers around. Then I just learned that he thought all Filipinos will sleep with the boss just to go higher in position in the company. Sure I see this kind of thing around I personally know someone who sleep with my brother just so she can get my brothers recommendation and no she is not a Filipino but she is Chinese. My brother is involved in import and export business which the factories are based in china (Shenzhen to be exact, I have been there a few times)he told me that when you are in this kind of business you can really taste diff kind of woman's flavor just for this woman to get the deal signed or recommendation for the case of this woman. (main point is that it is true to all races just that most are Discrete about it and maybe lower in statistics than what is in the Philippines.
going back to my story, this Brit guy thinks all Filipinos are the same, we are not the same so is with any other race.
When it comes to province born girl being a gold digger, I don't agree with that, I was born in the remote province of mountain province municipality of Sagada. (Google it, its easy to find being a tourist spot). I was not born with so much but I was not born with nothing, so was with my friends. My father is a Chinese businessman from hubei and my mom is a full blooded igorot and a professor(a tribe from northern Luzon, we call our selves Igorot) I can take care of my self financially, my parents need no money from no body, with all 6 kids having a life of their own they got no one to spend their money too but themselves. I worked my ass harder than i should just to get to where i am right now just to be stereotyped is insulting beyond words.
I had an American BF before who is 15 years my senior, he is old but he wear something that hypnotize me the most, he is a man in uniform. We finally broke up because he wants me to leave my princess like life here in the Philippines just to be in the US and do what? He said he got a job for me and when I asked what, he told me a dog walker or a spot in the home for the aged. (I got nothing against these kind of job) I was like what the hell was he thinking, he expects me to leave my good paying job (yes its a good paying job even to Americans because I worked in an American company and we are being paid "managers" American standard)just to be a dog walker. He said it's good cause I can get a green card BUT I don't need no green card, so I asked him to come to the Philippines to live with me and I am sure with his degree he can get a job in American companies here in the Philippines, but well I guess he cant leave his profession just as much as I cant live mine. Just a proof that we are not all green card hungry whores.
so to those who are complaining about why they end up with these bad Filipino that is because you were looking in the wrong place, but then again most good Filipinas that i know are not interested in western man 20 years their senior or not interested in westerns at all and most good filipinas that I know are not the stereotyped filipinas most clueless western man know.
jennycai, be a role model for your sister filipinas! Many of those western men are desperate, for various reasons from midlife crisis, lonliness, wanting to be a saviour etc, etc. Many filipinas believe their best option is to marry a western man for many reasons. Some of those men are not nice, some of those women are not nice. Myself, i can't ever imagine falling in love (not REAL love) with anyone so desperate!
Reading the bigotry and hatred against filippinas here is just depressing. Think about this: does the 65 yr old guy marrying the 22 uneducated girl seriously think its about love? That will NEVER happen back in his home country so why does he think it is diffeent overseas? Men, USE YOUR BRAINS!
I am a 50 yr old highly educated management consultant so work in a professional well-paid job and I have had many dealings with filippinas as friends and work mates over the years, and I have been on a well-known dating site for a while.
Not once was I ever asked for money or special favours or 'scammed', NOT even on dating sites!
As for all these accusations of filippinas seducing their male employers, well, it takes TWO to tango!
most of these man who are complaining found their girl toy from the bars of angeles or some other places. I mean seriously there are exemptions but how can you expect a good girl from a bar when their main job is to seduce and to lie.
@jennycai
And how about your fellow pinay abroad? You only give one point of view which only girl bar in your country. And how about your fella pinay abroad like @objectivelyspeaking said before? What about the nurse like @Fatima said before? Any comment?
I cant comment on something that i don't have a first hand experience, I cant say this and that just because someone said this and that. I can only comment on things I have experienced my self. when it comes fo filipinas abroad I never heard of such thing but if ever they exist I have not seen it myself or neither a friend of mine knows anyone who are like that so I got no clue, my aunt carol and elvie are both canadian nurses both are being highly praised by their co-leagues and their in laws. They are both married to canadian man that they meet in canada. I never heard them sleeping with the boss or somebody else man and I don't even see the reason why they should do it, when it comes to money they are making a lot of money and their family back home are well off. When it comes to position they are also studying for further knowledge and maybe promotion.
when it comes to middle east, my cousin Dovima, sandize, worked as a nurse in the middle east saudi arabia, and my friend lastlie is working as a nanny as well but i haven't heard of such from them so how should I know.(but I saw woman whose female employer put acids on her filipina maids face just because she is pretty which is on my own point of view the most lunatic act of a woman) if ever it happens to some then I would say not just the Philippines I have seen Chinese and Russian girls sleep with my brother for the same reason, such as money and I have seen Korean girls sleep with my American and British even Indian co-worker for reasons I don't want to know. All I'm saying is that in all races there are sluts and whores.
to further it I did not grow up with so much mixed marriage around me (cause culturally in my tribe that is an act of a woman s desperation, we still prefer our own kind). My two aunts are I guess yes desperate because they are already old and locally from age 30 and above its really not that easy to find a husband but I am proud to say they are a good catch. My mom and dad I guess is another story because despite their both parents don't agree with the union they still got married so its not an act of desperation but of love. my mother belong to a really big family with five brothers and 3 sisters. most of them worked abroad (including my mom who was a math teacher in London before she came home and teach in a university here) but only two of them married a westerner, uncle Paul and uncle Robert. I know a lot of college friends as well who are married to westerners (haven't meet their other half though since I just learned it from facebook or a common friend) but none of them told me such thing so far nor been divorced. The only story as such I learn them from the internet which as I have said cant comment of them cause I haven't seen or a family or a friend have a first hand experience on it.
@jennycai - below's an idea of how your sister filipinas behave out here in N. America, posted in Jan 2012 by an American man on dragonladies.org, recommended by your friend @moneycantbuymelove. Then you'll understand why you were propositioned with such disrespect by the foreign co-worker.
The overseas exploits of filipinas is not limited to scamming older men on the internet. That is just a means to an end. It is what they do overseas after they dump or get dumped by the older men that is so bothersome to our society. To those "still happily married" older men who sing praises for their filipina wives, I hope their wives are not among those married filipinas described by this poster on dragonladies, although this could be a reason why the divorce rate in marriages to filipinas is "reportedly" lower(?)
As for the one on the high horse from the stone age, sharing one's true experiences to warn others does not amount to bigotry. In fact, this scamming older men on the internet for fiancee visas is an old game. Attention has turned to the younger men. The "filipina wives for foreign men" videos all over YouTube are targeting a younger demographic. Fortunately, the younger men are also a lot smarter. They research, compare notes and know how to save their own a**es. Some fly to PH and help themselves to a heap of bargain-basement hedonistic fun. The poster below actually spelled out the $$ for your reading pleasure:
"I will offer up my personal experiences with filipinas HERE in the U.S. - It will show you what your getting into over THERE.
Ive dated (if you want to call it that) about 20 U.S. filipinas over the last 6 years since I first discovered them when I moved to Florida.
EVERY single one had married an American, most divorced him. The ones that weren't divorced, I found were still married-they didn't care, they wanted a younger man to enjoy. Everyone of them spread their legs, and not for money. (unless you count occasional drinks or dinner-I stress OCCASIONAL) They were young -(23-37) and all are horny. None of them had a husband under 50. I've never met a culture where the women are so driven by sex. Even the south american women have a bit more self-respect.
They have no problem being unfaithful, and are scandalous to their own friends. I met a group in Tampa where I ended up cycling throughout the group of 4 friends. I did it only because I had never experienced such a thing..and after the first one thought there was no way another would do the same thing...I was wrong, they all did.
The creme de la creme is a 23 yo old I met on Cherry Blossoms and developed a relationship with. Extremely beautiful- model material. Turns out she was engaged to a 57 year old from Utah. Fiancee Visa already approved. She was a nut..got naked on cam..and do whatever you ask.. again..i never gave her a dime. So, she was so 'in love with me' she would cancel this visa and apply for one with me. I told her that wouldn't happen, once she got here to contact me. I never thought it would come to anything..
One day I get a phone call.. she'd been here 2 months and can't take it. She ran to Vegas and wanted to come live with me in Chicago.. I had a GF, so I said no.. boy she went crazy. I ended up visiting her in Vegas, she shacked up with a poker player who was helping her with her immigration issues. She met me at my hotel room, did the deed and asked to live with me again. Of course I said no..how could she be trusted?
She is now a stripper at Spearmint Rhino, he finally dumped her.
I then went to Cebu and had the time of my life.
You get younger women who are much better at faking it, and it costs a whole lot less in the end when its over. In that way Id say it works out every time.
Just think guys, if you multiplied your bankroll by the exchange rate.. and that $40 you spend on a bargirl is now over 1600.00 Do you think you could find hot 21 year old american women for that kind of money? ... Damn right you could..so keep it in perspective and enjoy the ride, but don't fall in deep love..."
well i got nothing against what other thinks about other filipinas around the world, and i wont argue that those things really happen because they might, by saying that i cant attest to anything like that that really happened because as I've said I'm not the kind of woman who would believe in any persons opinion be it her/his personal experience. unless I saw it happen myself. I would consider it as a warning but wont really believe it. So with your experience and given the fact that I haven't really meet a lot of filipinas other than my relatives when I visited them in the states due to limited days off from work then I would consider the story to be "might be true category" but wont really believe it since I haven't seen such thing.
one more thing in this world full of shits and crap, I don't really care what other think of a certain race be it the race where I belong or not. I am just stating my opinion on the subject matter but I am not this kind of woman who is trying to change the worlds perspective in a certain thing be it the kind of woman or not. with the experience with a British co-worker truth is I really pity him so much that he believe in such crap, (by thinking all filipinas are like that) of course I wont deny that I was so insulted and take action by filling an complain to the UK MOOG branch. but then again thinking about it with calm mind and thinking of the fact that does he deserve the attention and the time I spent feeling insulted then I realize he doesn't. (well he deserve the sanction though).
Who am I to changed someone else perspective about my race, I'm not super woman or trying to be one, if that's what they think about my ethnicity then fine with me, not my lose plus what ever people do in a certain race stereotyping wont be eliminated there will always be such thing. So why should I care go ahead if its worth someone elses time to stereotype a certain group of people and if that makes someone happy. Who am I to judge someone by believing this kind of shit, I my self there is a certain time in my life where in I was vulnerable to such shits. (time wasted I must say). So I wont take that happiness away from them.
As for me who cares what these woman does for a living or does to their husband or what ever scam they are running. Who cares if they are sluts and whores, hell who cares there are whores and sluts in all races. I'm not really bothered by what other people do.
but there is one thing that I can say, when it comes to scammers if you have been scammed/fooled once shame on that girl if you have been scammed twice then shame on you.
@objectivelyspeaking. Hi, i am neither friend nor foe of jennycai. I mentioned her becoming a role model due to her writing; " We finally broke up because he wants me to leave my princess like life here in the Philippines just to be in the US and do what? He said he got a job for me and when I asked what, he told me a dog walker or a spot in the home for the aged. (I got nothing against these kind of job) I was like what the hell was he thinking, he expects me to leave my good paying job (yes its a good paying job even to Americans because I worked in an American company and we are being paid "managers" American standard)just to be a dog walker. He said it's good cause I can get a green card BUT I don't need no green card, so I asked him to come to the Philippines to live with me and I am sure with his degree he can get a job in American companies here in the Philippines, but well I guess he cant leave his profession just as much as I cant live mine"
It's a shame more filipinas don't feel it's better to work hard and better themselves, than to find a meal ticket and walking ATM in a western man!
dragonladies.org has members from all sides of this topic and from all over the world. Many have been scammed,some lucky to find the site before it cost them too much, some are husbands to good filipinas, some are themselves filipinas, all giving warnings and good advice. They are not racist, sexist or judgemental, just fed up with seeing others get burned.
I don't see how jennycai is a shining example of good. In fact she's an example of a selfish, superficial money hungry woman.
She's attracted to a man by the clothes (uniform) he wears. So superficial.
She won't marry him because she "loves" money and lifestyle and has it better in the PH. If the American was a millionaire and could provide her with a better lifestyle or if her current lifestyle was like that of most Pinays than she would be going for the green card.
Kinda amazing "moneycantbuymelove" doesn't see that. What's that about?
jennycai is possibly not a 'shining example of good'. I don't think she should be shot for being, initially, attracted to a man in uniform though, many, many of us females are! There's usually a superficial reason for first attraction.
Honestly can't understand how my comments have offended anyone, certainly not intended to, so apologies if they have.
I'm an english woman whose interest in this subject was sparked by hearing of a 42 year old male friend, recently divorced, bit messed up to be honest, flying out to philippines to meet a 21 year old filipina he'd chatted on pof with for a few weeks, don't have many details, but hear he is now applying for a fiance visa after only one meeting! Couldn't believe such madness happened. Has been a real eye opener!
I feel if jennycai has worked hard for her position and lifestyle she can be proud of that. That's so much more fulfilling than spending hours sitting in internet cafes looking for vulnerable western men, surely?
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@objectivelyspeaking...who is a perfect guy who have the right to judge anyone in this world...read this link...this is your guide for future altercation with other countries who will deceive..just some few pointers so that you won't be deceive again...http://www.imarriedanalien.com/?p=19
My sister has been with her American partner for nearly 20 years. She is 10 years younger than him (but obviously not enough, read on). Just when she thought they were easing into a peaceful retirement, he got restless...midlife crises? Just recently, about 5 weeks ago, there was a change in behaviour in him. At about the same time each night, he would stay in the office with the door closed. He was also getting impatient with my sister at times, which he rarely did, according to my sister. When my sister asked him, he denied it initially but admitted later that through his friends recommendation, he signed up to an online dating site and he had been chatting to a filipina whom he met through this site. She is less than half his age and she told him how much she loved him in the initial emails. Now, a person with a clear mind would doubt the validity of this 'love', from just a photo and profile information! But no, instead, he made another fatal mistake by sending her money, not just once, but each time, she would give him hints, such as wanting to see her relatives and no money for plane ticket, wanting to get faster internet connection so he could see her better on cam, medical expenses etc. He is now in the Philippines with the intention to meet her (if she turned up) and touring around the country. The problem is, my sister has no idea of his whereabouts in the PH, as he has not contacted her since he left. Of course, after 20 years of being together, she cares about his safety. How can a 60 year old grown-up be so irresponsible? He is just a very ordinary American worker with substandard look and substandard health....not rich by any US standard, just living month to month. But the image he had been protraying to this filipina was rich company executive....What about her? She told him she had a couple of kids....maybe she is still married? Not surprised. My sister is fearful that he would get hurt, although I keep telling her it was him who took the first step to sign up onto the dating site and if anything did happen to him that she shouldn't feel bad. If there weren't so many filipina online looking for OLD men, maybe these men would try harder to make their current relationship work?
@unknown - It is your own presumption that I have been a victim of deception and scamming by a filipina that I am posting here. FYI: I am not involved with any filipina or foreign hookup or marriage of any kind, or I wouldn't be objectively speaking. Who is judging who here?
" If there weren't so many filipina online looking for OLD men, maybe these men would try harder to make their current relationship work?" --- EXACTLY MY POINT @unknown !!!
@objectively speaking - I though you had 20 filipina GF in N-america? just asking cause It kinda contradict your later statement where in you said you have never been involved with a filipina for a hook up or some sort..???
anyway:
I am not trying to be a rule model or something because I know that I am not like that. and yes I would admit that I am a selfish bitch.
@onto
If ever that guy is a millionaire and can provide me with all things that I need, affection and everything, will I go with him....??? I am not a hypocrite bitch my answer will be yes, why not? (am I the only girl who would want that kind of man) but can I have additional requirement,(if I'm allowed) please not a western guy, be at the same age as mine (well a little older will be fine, as long as its not too old to be my dad), and please can it be Asian, Filipino or Filipino Chinese preferred and willing to live in the country side of the
Philippines or china (oh yeah I love to discover more about where my dad is from by experience). well that is just a dream or a fantasy...
with the man in uniform I don't think I am the only woman in this world who is attracted with man in uniform. If I am then consider be abnormal so what?
and yes there is no denying that I like money (not love)don't you like money?, if I don't then why should I work hard to earn it, and I like my lifestyle of course I mean who doesn't want to have a very comfortable life? My goal is to enjoy my life in a very comfortable way that is why I worked hard to make that happen and yes there is nothing that can make me change my mind unless you can offer me something better than what I already have, and I am sure that is not green card and besides if green card is all i want I can get a green card without being a dog walker or marrying an American man.
bottom like is that, I am just a woman living in the real world and I know how to deal with it in a real way.
@jennycai - I am not the one who "dated" 20 filipinas. That poster's pseudonymn is Storm2012, his post is on the thread "Does it really work?" or something like that, on dragonladies. I don't know him personally or remotely. I posted his comment so you understand why your co-worker propositioned you in a way that seemed to catch you by surprise.
For the record, I have nothing against international marriages, there are a few in my family. I also have very good friends who are Chinese filipinos like yourself, hardworking and successful people who work to earn what they have, normal people who live respectable lives. Perhaps this thread has gotten so long you may have missed some of our earlier posts that not all filipinas are like the bad news we are talking about here. From my own perspective, I do not consider you as one of those, certainly not.
This is not the only board of this nature, just that it is titled specifically in regards to filipinas so filipinas are the topic of discussion.
Our comments are about the actions and behavior first and foremost, not the race. Just so happens that those actions and behavior are seen way too often among filipinas internationally, someone decided to start a thread about it, and the person who started this thread is also not me.
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On a side note (not directed at you @jennycai) those who want to post about women from other countries can go post on boards titled for them, no need to keep hurling accusatory presumptions against me, going undercover in different pseudonyms.
@Jennycai,Have you ever been to middle east?If not then please don't cast your opinion about what is happening with nurses here.Your people will only justify the wrong acts of Filipinos.When an Egyptian stabbed his Filipina wife to death in Kuwait,all other Filipinos declared that the guy was a jealous husband jealous of her beauty.,and she was as pure as an angel.Further the investigators recovered her cell phone and hundreds of love sms she sent to her lover was found out.Thus it was confirmed that the woman was killed when her husband found her cheating with another man.And her lover too admitted that he was involved with the Egyptians' wife.I do not justify the act of that man but this is the attitude of Filipinos you defend your people no matter what shameful act they commit.This is really bad.
Do you think people here as so insane to throw acid on a girls face because she is beautiful?Then the acid should fall on millions of women in middle east hailing from Nations which has high reputation of having the most beautiful women on earth .Shameful acts of Filipina maids could be clearly visible when you travel through the streets of a gulf East nation on Fridays.They parade on the streets and wait for any man to give them a lift (further they would end up in a hotel room or apartment.
If you read the daily gulf news you will find at least one filipina being nabbed a week,for immoral acts.I have asked my collegues several times why they do it in spite of getting such good salary.They all have their own stories to say like having the many loans to pay,or a big family to look after or debt to pay.These are just excuses.I know.
@Jennycai,Have you ever been to middle east?If not then please don't cast your opinion about what is happening with nurses here.Your people will only justify the wrong acts of Filipinos.When an Egyptian stabbed his Filipina wife to death in Kuwait,all other Filipinos declared that the guy was a jealous husband jealous of her beauty.,and she was as pure as an angel.Further the investigators recovered her cell phone and hundreds of love sms she sent to her lover was found out.Thus it was confirmed that the woman was killed when her husband found her cheating with another man.And her lover too admitted that he was involved with the Egyptians' wife.I do not justify the act of that man but this is the attitude of Filipinos you defend your people no matter what shameful act they commit.This is really bad.
Do you think people here as so insane to throw acid on a girls face because she is beautiful?Then the acid should fall on millions of women in middle east hailing from Nations which has high reputation of having the most beautiful women on earth .Shameful acts of Filipina maids could be clearly visible when you travel through the streets of a gulf East nation on Fridays.They parade on the streets and wait for any man to give them a lift (further they would end up in a hotel room or apartment.
If you read the daily gulf news you will find at least one filipina being nabbed a week,for immoral acts.I have asked my collegues several times why they do it in spite of getting such good salary.They all have their own stories to say like having the many loans to pay,or a big family to look after or debt to pay.These are just excuses.I know.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I find your posts intelligent and insightful. I think you tend to hit the nail on the head too often and the truth tends to make some people very uncomfortable...
I found this site by accident when I was surfing the net to find a solution to a personal problem in my life...
...I am 34 year old man in Australia. I have a male best friend (we have been friends for 25 years, went to primary school together, etc.). I love him like a brother and would move mountains to protect him.
He is a nice person, but very tight with money. He has average looks and is not that wealthy, but only insists on hooking up with women who are model material and would do anything he asks of them. Needless to say, there has been a drought in his love and sex life for the past 10 years as he cannot meet women of that calibre in Australia who do not need a visa and do not have to put up with his shit.
Whilst he was working as a tennis coach in Hong Kong, he met a 24 year old filipinna who was working there as a "nanny" (yeah, whatever). I began to get a bad vibe about her and realised that she is playing him. He thinks this girl is so different to other filippinas, that she does not care about money, that she has very simplistic expectations in life which include devoting herself to making her (future) husband happy.
Being the idiot that he is, he proposed marriage to her recently and now they are applying for a visa for her to come to Australia.
I am so convinced that he is going to get used and eventually be tossed aside like an old toothbrush after she gets her permanent residency visa.
I am a lawyer by profession so now I am thinking of legal steps to protect him. I have drafted out a prenuptial agreement which he has decided to go through with and we are going to transfer all of his major assets to his mother's name. I am going to be 5 steps ahead if his wife. I am going to screw her over before she screws him over.
I have tried to convince him so many times that she is not genuine, but he refuses to believe me.
Cab anyone give me some advice on how to get through to him? I want hin to cancel these marriage plans...
I think that a lot of people only understand the definition of 'prostitution' as the act if selling oneself sexually for financial gain, but I think the wider definition of that word would encompass the meaning of selling oneself generally.
I also view prostitution if marrying and/or exploiting another person for primarily financial gains. That is a definition that many people would find too confronting and uncomfortable to admit because the truth hits too close to home.
If you are 22 and marry someone who is 67 because they can financially provide for you and your extended family, that is prostitution in the wider sense. You didn't marry them for love or sexual desire.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against prostitutes who do it as a profession, just like any other job. They are honest about it and mostly are not exploiting anyone. You pay for a service and that is what you get. It is a job to them. In that way, I have more acceptance for them than those people who marry for economic reasons, where there is a great deal of emotional and psychological exploitation going on...
My favourite maxim to men who want to marry filippanas this is:
"If true love is bound to happen, it would happen with a partner in your country of origin and doesn't need a visa".
Despite that, you would be surprised how often that advice sinks in, even with extremely intelligent men like doctors, lawyers and professors. They all think that this one filippina girl "is different" from the rest. They don't get it until they get f****d over in the end...
@Tan – Thank you so much for your comment. I really appreciate it. I ended my first 3 posts on this board with “Enough said” because I had never expected to write so much. It was because I kept getting called out by certain people that I had to respond. If my posts and those of the many others with similar insights serve to caution or even save someone from having his (along with his family’s) life destroyed, and help incite young filipinas yet untarnished to choose the dignified path out of poverty, it is all worthwhile.
I get why the socio-economics of the Philippines is causing filippinas to exploit Western men. Yes, it is tragic that there are those over there who have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, don't have money for rent, etc.
Life was never meant to be fair. Life just IS. I have a very comfortable life here in Australia. I won't apologise for them. I am sympathetic that others have it tougher than me and I help out where I can, BUT it is not my problem. I cannot be expected to rescue people nor should they expect an entitlement to exploit me. I am moderately wealthy, but I cannot expect the same lifestyle as that of Bill Gates. It is my lot in life.
We all have our lot in life. Whilst it is human nature to want to create better life circumstances for ourselves, it is wrong to exploit and use other people to do so, to play with their hopes and dreams.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I notice that some other people have formed the view that you generalized and that you have some deep hatred for filippinas, but I do not agree with those assessments at all.
You don't strike me as a racist and I know that you are of Asian descent yourself. In fact, I am of Vietnamese descent myself.
From reading your numerous postings here, I tend to agree with everything you said. You hit the nail on the head so many times that some people are getting defensive.
Your opinions have not stemmed from a hatred of a certain group nor from cultural stereotyping. Rather, they were based on reasoned observations of a cultural and social phenomena.
Yes, the Philippino culture goes ingrain certain values and traits in its women that are ugly and destructive and other socities and cultures bear the brunt of it.
This is about reality, not stereotyping. A lot of these horror stories stem from REALITY, not myth or stereotypes.
If I created a stereotype that all Vietnamese men played football on every Sunday, how quick do you think it would take for that stereotype to die a natural death...?
@Tan - Yes I am of Asian origin, lived, worked, travelled through many countries. Globalization is hardly a new phenomenon. One has to be a**backwards to be racist in this day and age. Other than a few filipinas who bombarded me at first, it was mostly a particular (most probably) American man who kept trying to put a gag order on me for reasons best known to himself. Otherwise, there are many people who agree with me by sheer common sense, equitable reasoning and plain observation. These include American expatriates who have lived in PH for years, have intimate knowledge of PH people, and have been unbiased and candid in their comments. A few filipinas have come forward to confirm this reality.
The very fact that so much international interest is generated in discussions on this topic shows just how many have been affected and how deep a chord this has struck.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Although I am a family lawyer now, I used to practise immigration law in my early days as a lawyer.
In this sense, I am also drawing on my personal experience. I encountered so many horror stories of men being used and exploited by these d filippinas that I hated my and stopped practising immigration law. I got tired of helping one person exploit another that I could barely look at myself in the mirror any longer because I felt ashamed of my job.
The case that broke the camel's back for me was that case of a 65 year old Australian man who came to me as a client. He had met 22 year old filipinna in a bar over there and convinced that she was the love of his life, despite the severe age gap.
We got her over here on a visa and as soon as she got her permanent residency visa, she dumped his butt instantly. She deliberately got pregnant by him to secure her position when he had second thoughts about the wedding and was about to send her home empty handed.
After they divorced, he found out that as soon as she came to Australia, she began cheating on him with a 25 year old bartender.
She ended up with his entire house in the divorce. She also realised that she was too young to be a mother and promptly dumped their son onto himto raise singlehandedly whilst she pursued her ptomiscuous and carefree lifestyle. At age 67, he had wanted to ease into retirement. Being a single father to a young son was the last thing he could have imagined finding himself in.....
...the tragedy was that this man came to me for legal advice for the first time, he was convinced that this girl was right for him and that she was different to the majority of filippinas that his friends and family warned him about.
I think when these men think they are "in love" with the young filipinas, they cannot see or hear any advice from their people who truly love them such as their friends and families. SAD! The only way to stop this from happening is through more media coverage. The more people know about how most filipinas operate, the less likely the poor men will fall into their traps, I hope!
@mypoorsister:
I think that honest women don't cater to these men's egos or to their sexual needs, whereas these filipinnas can put in an act because they need something else in return. It is about mutual exploitation.
The stark truth is that if you are a fat 60 year old guy with a limited income, the odds of you finding a 25 year old woman with model looks and sexual availability who doesn't need something in return is not virtually impossible...it is impossible.
Men need to inject themselves with a dose of the reality serum.
Next time I suggest verivfication of any woman in the Philippines via angelesdetective.com
But the verification does not weed out women who marry men for purely economic reasons. Men only find that motivation out after they are divorced when these women obtain their permanent residency visas...
The men are blinded by"love".And/or they are too dumb to realize.If a young sexy woman doesnt want you in the USA,why would one suddenly love you in another?
@rastadave:
Exactly! My male friend has not problem. He has average looks, has an inflexible personality, is extremely controlling, is very tight with money....yet expects to date drop dead gorgeous women.
He cannot work out why he cannot find a woman like that in his own country, Australia.
I told him that there were aspects of himself that he needed to change.
Suddenly, he found a sexy filipina overseas and she tells him everything he wants to hear. This girl is bad news.
Barfines are cheaper than alimony guys!!! Go to Angeles City and dump any girlfriend you have in the Philippines!!
@objectivelythinking- well ok sorry i must overlooked that 20 filipina lady thing.
@Fatima - No I havent been to the middle east and you go way too far with that statement... "have not hear of such stories about filipina sleeping with the arab bosses or man but I have heard of stories about woman being abused and one particular thing that catches my attention is that woman who got acid in her face and
blah blah blah... " and I did not say that that thing
happen on a daily basis... I was just saying that I heard about this BUT not the filipina sleeping with the boss and no further comment because as I have said I got no right to comment if I havent seen or experience it my self or know someone who experience it.... so what ever people say about them I really got nothing to say. Thanks for the lecture but no thanks no offense meant but I have a life to look for and what other people do is out of my business, my comments are subjective and not presented as facts.
@tan - being a lawyer i don't think it will be hard for you to help your friend.(that is if he let you do so) I don't know anything about immigration law in other countries but there must be laws that if the reason of entry is such and such or blah (negative) then she/he can be deported and banned from entering that country again, such as deceiving a citizen just for the intentions of entering such country. (saying this without any clue of law so if such dont exist then sorry but there must be something that can be done) For sure the pre-nup is a really good thing and tell your friend i mean suggest to asked her to sign it before all the visa thing... but they are already doing it, just pray that you are wrong.
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I hate people who are giving a brand of a certain group of people and comment as if they have seen the whole population just because they saw some of them act in a really negative manner, and when you tell them they are wrong and give a friend or yourself as an example they will come back with words like you are this and this and such and such...hey wait a minute hold your horses people respecting someone else opinion doesn't mean you have to agree with it... I respect peoples opinion even if I don't agree with it, I disagree with some comment not because I am pro/anti filipina it's because they presented this opinions as facts when I know that they are not facts.
this board is not your life (unless it is) so no need to go extra miles, such as name calling, just to make a point.
geeeezzzzz people....
anyway peace people and happy new year :)
by the way guys,dont EVER,EVER EVER bring a Philippino woman to the USA!! After the divorce you will get screwed by the court system!!!They will say that you took advantage of this "pooor" girl.
@jennycai:
Thank you for your comments.
I know that it might look like that objectivelyspeaking and myself are resorting to cultural stereotypes, but I think you did not really get objectivelyspeaking's example of the shark tank.
Yes, there are some genuine and honest filipinas in the world who have pride in themselves and work hard by themselves to earn everything they have.
But the point I am driving at is that there is something very wrong ingrained in filipino culture to make such a large proportion of filipinas to behave in ways that we read about.
These girls have been ingrained from a very early age that it is OK to do literally anything to obtain a better life. And I don't mean just necessarily surviving. They have been taught to exploit and use other people and destroy their lives, just to better their economic position.
We have moved WAY beyond cultural stereotyping. It is now a cultural, social, economic and legal phenomen. I am sure that objectivelyspeaking may agree with me on this one...
If you have been taken advantage of by a Philippina call 678-720-2806 for consultation.
If you have been taken advantage of by a Philippina call 678-720-2806 for consultation.
@rastadave:
Australia has a similar legal system to the US when it comes to these issues.
You will be very surprised at how well versed and well researched these filipinas are when it comes to knowing how to con the legal system, because essentially they are hustlers and con artists...
Well, I may not be able to stop my best friend from marrying that hustler bitch, but I can make sure that when she ditches his ass (which I know she will), that she walks away with absolutely NOTHING (to match what she came into the marriage with).
I am drawing up a prenuptial agreement that he will force her to sign as a condition of marriage. We are also transferring all of his assets into his mother's name...
@jennycai:
I saw your response to Fatima above. However, I do agree with Fatima, actually.
It is a cultural phenomenon to filipinas to apply to work as a "house-keeper" or "nanny" in places like Dubai and Hong Kong. In fact, quite a lot if filipinas do this as a step if social progression rather than it stemming from a cultural love for children.
They know that countries like UAE and Hong Kong are extremely wealthy and filled with opportunity and go there primarily to land a wealthy man. The so-called "career" is a smoke-screen.
I have heard of too many real life stories if these filipina "nannies" seducing their older married male employers into sex to discount them as merely a few isolated incidence. It is a common ploy.
When my best friend told me that he had met a young, sexy filipina working as a "nanny" in Hong Kong, I suspected that was not her true job and why she was really in Hong Kong. She was there to be a hustler and now she has hooked my friend...
Hello,
I married a Filipina 7 years ago. I'm 39, she's 34 now. I have 2 kids from a previous marriage. I met her through a mutual friend. When I went the first time to Philippines to meet her, she was so very nice, sweet, caring. I thought she was real and I was feeling a very lucky man. We got married and when she arrived in Europe, it didn't take long before she became the opposite person. She made it clear to me that her relatives had the first place in her life. That I didn't mary only her, but her entire family. So, I had place number 50 or something like that. First her parents, brothers, sisters, cousins, etc.... Nice idea, I was the last in the row. After 6 months she started to behave like cinderella's wicked stepmother to my kids. Even for a little discussion, she can be hysterical, shouting, screaming, and being verbally very abusive. This is going on for 7 years. I cannot imagine she's the same person I met in Philippines. We were not even 1 year married and her brother was already demanding ridiculous amounts of money from us. 400 euro to follow a dancing course to entertain people in New York. Later on 200 euro to join a fishing business. Later we get a phone call from her aunt that her brother was dying because of alcohol abuse (he's still alive now), etc, etc.... They are just a bunch of f***ing gold diggers. They are too lazy to find a job, even all is so young still. I hate my in laws and last week I made it clear to my b*tch wife that they are no more than sh*t in my eyes. I don't care anymore they are holy in her eyes. They can do no wrong. Why should I care for them. My wife is aggressive, not caring or understanding at all for others, except for herself and her gold diggers relatives. For divorce, we also have the stupid "poor foreigner girl" laws.
To get married to a Filipina was the most stupid thing I ever did in my whole entire life.
@tan - as I've said I really got no right to comment on a matter I got no knowledge about. for the fact that I don't know nothing about and plus what other people do is not my business.
sad to say as I've said I don't really believe in anything as long as I'm involve "means first hand experience, or I know anyone who is involve". With regard to my reply to Fatima I'm not really interested with what she presented not because I don't agree with it or I find it offensive but because personally I don't care as I've said what other people do is not my business.
with regards to objectivelyspeaking comment, there is no such indication in my comments that I personally replied to his (with the 20 something thing that was just an inquiry) comments.
My comments other than the first one is just answers to questions not directed to anyone comment.
summary of my comment:
1) first comment - I just state that while other people thinks and convinced that ALL filipinas are green card whores I beg to disagree with this idea because I am sure I am not one of them and so was with so many friends that I know.
2) I said most man who complain about being fooled got their girls from bars so what do they expect if in the very first place they know what they are getting.
2) my answer to the question what can I say about fatimas comment and objectivelyspeaking about filipinas abroad.I said that unless I know it by first hand experience I got nothing to say about it cause I am the kind of person who comment on a certain thing unless I personally have a knowledge on a certain subject. I said I know some people working over there but haven't heard such thing from them but I have heard about employees abusing filipinas.
4)then objectivelyspeaking wrote about an experience of someone who I guess overlooked on the past comments, and once again I said I got no comment about it sense I dont have first hand experience on it.
5)fatima said this and that which in my own opinion she is representing a rebuttal to a certain argument while in the very first place there was no argument presented on my part. lead to my fourth comment that thanks for the lecture but I am not really interested because I am just commenting based on things I an involved in.
I asked about objectively speaking about the 20 blah blah blah just for inquiry.
so if ever in such ways that my comment is shouting about me not being able to understand the shark blah blah blah that is because I am not so thinking that thing...
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just to make it clear, I am not pro nor anti filipinas and I am not attacking someone elses idea or opinion, I am just commenting based on my own experiences. Other than that nothing else. I just write what I know and there is no way I presented them as facts nor insist it to be true so respect that and I guess I have the right to ask people to do the same.
@Steve - this comment for sure is breaking my rule in commenting and that is not to comment straight to a specific comment but I really really wonder why are you still with her if she makes your life a living hell? For sure there is such a way to send her back home.
@jennycai-Hi, thanks for your response. Yes, you are right. Many people advised me already to divorce. They are even angry already with me that I'm still with her. I think I don't have the guts. She already told me if I ever dare to divorce her, she will make my life a living hell. By stalking me day and night, getting every single euro she could get from me (house that I bought and that I'm paying will be sold, amount divided in 2), etc, etc...
One day you will get up your courage and divorce that bitch.....you should have gone to angelesdetective.com BEFORE you married her.
@jennycai
There isnt any need to be over-defensive...when the truth is out in Open..
What steve is saying, is what happend to a whole lot of people.
You can refer to my previous posts, to get an idea of what this country is all about !
corrections on my last line above "You can refer to my previous posts, to get an idea of what this country is all about, in the eyes of a foreign national who has seen so much evil-doing in here"
@My2cent- I don't see myself being defensive and sorry not just because you said so and so then it already a fact about the whole country.
Are u commenting objectively or subjectively? Either way I don't say a concrete ground by saying the word country.
When u said evil doing do you mean as a whole and not just about the topic which is all about woman? And if if your bases to say that the whole country is such just because of what the woman do then don't you think you are about off balance by presenting such.
See.....
Being a foreigner who stayed here, because you said here then I assume u stayed or currently staying in this country, does not guarantee that your words are facts.
Knowing something does not mean knowing everything.
TO'stevederick:I KNOW how you feeel EXACTLY!!! I met a Philippina in 2002.We saw eachother for many yrs.We even had a child(yes,i did DNA)I brought her to usa in 2007.Got married.That night was the LAST night i ever got a B.J.!!!I cought her with another man only ONE yr into our marriage.I got off easy finacialy because i made a settlement.I wish i had called angelesdetective.com first!! 678-720-2806
.....OR spousespy@rocketmail.com
Still forgotten in my previous post :
I didn't meet her in a bar or dating site. It was through a mutual friend. So, since I didn't look in bad places, I thought she would be sincere. After we were married I found out that she had a long time boyfriend. She never mentioned anything about it. After I visited her, I had to go back a second time to get married. During my absence, she just went back to her boyfriend. She finished the relationship just before we got married. I was feeling cheated from the very beginning...
I still asked her if she had a boyfriend. The answer was "no, no, only you my love"..... That was her kind of commitment...
Hello rastadave, feel sorry to read that. I feel a similar situation. (See my previous post, I also got cheated before marriage). Hope you are in a better situation now...
i intercepted a text from my ex wifes phone.It was of a sexual nature from her bf.Of course that lying bitch said"its not true" Ha.I was born at night,but not last night!!! I file for divorce that next day.That was what gave me my courage to divorce.You will have your thing that does that too.GET rid of her.SELL all your assetts.HIDE all your money.LOOK at is as a business problem,and seperate it from your emotions.My num is 678-720-2806.
i work as a private investigator in the PHILIPPINES now,busting girls like my ex wife.And helping men like you.
@ Tan
I think telling that Filipina that your friend has a prenup for her to sign would send her away.... just make sure that it's iron clad...
@Steve, can you start by putting some money and assets out of her reach without her knowledge? Maybe you need to start preparing your escape! For the sake of yourself and your chidren.
@joeskin:
That may be so, but I think she will still marry him at least for the visa to Australia...
@jennycai:
Whilst it is one thing to admit that there are things beyond your personal knowledge and direct experience, it is another to downplay the prevalence of their occurence.
The large number of men who post here from their personal experience should give you an indication...
@Tan You're a good friend. Thanks for sharing and I hope your efforts work. Prenups don't mean much in the USA. They get thrown out all the time. Moving assets into parents name is a good idea though, but you maybe putting their lives in danger if the Filipina finds out about it.
@onto:
He would be lucky if she leaves him now...
@tan
I don't consider the number large. I don't have the complete data of western man who marry filipina so I can see the ratio of those who succed and those who did not.
I'll post an acceptable variables later but for now it's hard for me to type on my tablet so later...
@jennycai:
I used to work as an immigration lawyer. I saw a lot...
in order to come up with a acceptable generalization people have to consider the following:
A= number of filipina woman age ranging from 15-40.
B= Number of filipina who marry foreign nationals.
Ba = Number who stay in the PI
Bb = Number who relocate.
B1 = Number of failures
B1a = Man is the reason.
B1b = woman is the reason.
B1b1 = visa/residency
B1b2 = Money
B2 = Number of success
C= Numbers of filipinas who go abroad (working visa)
C1 = location
C1a = HK
C1b = UEA
C1c = West
(in order to come up with the statement "most filipina woman seduce their boss for money" we should consider how many filipina woman who go to a certain location and seduce their boss and how many who doesn't? and it should be +should be greater than-)
C2 = type of work - I include this because what if it is only isolated to an specific profession or occupation.
D= Specific place as to where the woman is from (this is needed because in order to come up with the word "whole country" people need to prove that there is a fair number of Filipino involved in a certain aspect in every region then we can come up with a more concrete assumption)
the list can go on and on but these are the main variable that we need. I don't have to give the formula because I know for sure it's not a rocket science.
so far no one has used those variables to arrive with a statement that all filipinas/most are this and that.
Unless you can present a valid argument there is no way you can insist your opinion.
so sorry to say but the number of man who posted here appears to be an isolated cases in most aspect to even consider the validity of the statement "most/all filipinas are such and such".
lets apply a simple logic and a little bit of algebra
all filipina woman marry a foreigner (false)
All filipina woman mary for money and visa (false)
= false+false = false (-+- = -)
some may dispute statement B to be true but still logically both statement should be true to make a true conclusion. a false plus a true is still false.
this is the reason why I don't agree with people who say all filipina are this and that. because how can people say all when logically speaking the word all is already false?
@tan
if you saw a lot does it mean others do too?
In which way can i take your statement to be facts without valid argument?
@jennycai:
I saw a lot in the work I was doing...
@jennycai:
I saw a lot in the work I was doing...
NOT ALL,THERES STILL PINAY HAVING GOOD INTENTION TO MARRY AMERICAN,JUST BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEM WITH ALL THIERE HEART AND SOUL
@moneycantbuymelove - Hi ! Yes that's what I'm doing for some time already. I have a private savings where I put monthly around 100 euro, also for the sake of my kids. Thanks!....
@steve. Our children are our greatest assets. For them you'll stay strong and they'll always love you unconditionally! Hope all ends well for you and your family.
@jennycai;
Your reply seems like me saying 'Hey I always saw evildoing and 100% are like that' ... read my words carefully..
By getting over defensive and putting ur laughable Logical Analysis , is doing more harm to the vulnerable outsiders; rather than making them cautious ...
No doubt, the foreinger is the first to be blamed for being so vulnerable. But, the paramour is also to be equally blamed...Perhaps in ur small hill-town, you may not have seen much..Come down to Manila and south, you will get more aware
@moneycantbuymelove - Yes that is very true. I feel guilty for the situation I exposed my kids to. If I could only turn back the clock... Thanks for the reply...
Well no one es laughing? Are u? If you are then I must say sorry if you cant comprehend not my fault if your cognitive development not as good as mine...
@2cents
Never my intention to let them be caucus.... I don't give a damn about them if they are being fooled, they let it happen.... I dont let it happen to me why should I be concern about them... I was not born to think for these people...
@tan
And do you represent the majority because you know the information first hand? First hand experience is a valid argument but in this case there should be a proof That it represent the majority so we can come up with the acceptable valid reason for such claim.
@2cents
Come up with your counter logic. Or even a simple formula that indicates my claim to be wrong. Or just give me the variables I'll figure it my self let's see if you can prove me wrong with my logic.
Those logic that I presented are the same logic used in the rule of fallacies that has been used in so many books and proven... Well unless you were sleeping in your logic 101 then i don't see why you don't know that and you find it funny.
@steve. Don't beat yourself up about the past. Children need to see our mistakes too, they learn from them. (and how we deal with them)Maybe your experience will help them in their future choices!
@jennycai, please read dragonladies.org particularly posts from maria and liz28 (both filipina's) Not right to say you don't care when people get hurt.(not a very christian way to feel) And doesn't help the filipina reputation.
Perhaps we shouldn't say all or most filipinas,
but certainly we can say many!
@Tan –
And so we just witnessed another one of many ways women from the land of “perfect wives for foreign men” attempt to pulverize a man’s balls. Even before the recent posts to the aforementioned effect, I had meant to ask if you’d be able to pull up marriage immigration fraud data (overall by fiancée country of origin) in Australia, and if possible, the US and UK. By mere mention of the word “statistics” on my very first post, I had been challenged to death on it. Over time, from posts on different boards including this one, the percentage had emerged at around 80% of filipina scamming/conning/using men before tossing them after much emotional and verbal abuse, taking them for everything they’ve got. Not just through the internet, but by introduction/recommendation of “mutual contacts” and whatever ways and means they can concoct. Subsequently, I had geared my online research toward news archives, postings by official organizations and PH government overseas liaison organizations. As for harvesting any useful data in PH, forget it, and here’s why by another poster @sinungaling ka further up on this board:
“my friend tried to do some sociological research for his dissertaion in phils, but could not get enough honest people to interview therefore the data was skewed and couod not prepare a valid report....”
Just to share a piece on what the Gulf nations are dealing with as mentioned by @Fathima and others from the region, here’s one from bukisa.com on the thread: reactions-on-various-rape-stories-in-ksa
"1. Reaction to: "OFW Rights Group Seeks Repatriation Of Rape Victims", written by Rudy Estimo:
Rape is a very serious allegation. The writer should evaluate first if these rape accusations are all true before publishing his story in a widely-read newspaper.
What did these women do right after they escaped? Did they file a case against their employer for rape? Did they seek help from the Philippine embassy? No, they worked outside, had boyfriends and enjoyed the freedom that they could not avail while in their employer's house. Later, they got pregnant, sought help from their embassy and requested to stay in the shelter to avoid detention.
Who are the fathers of these children? Are the Saudi employers or the boyfriends whom they lived with after they had escaped from their employer's house?
Of the ten mothers, only one had claimed that her child's father is a Saudi. The rest of the children's fathers were identified to be Bangladeshis, Egyptians and mostly were Filipinos; yet all of them claimed that they were raped by their employers?
Did they file a case against the fathers of these kids? No, in fact these men are still supporting these women financially while the latter and their children are staying in the shelter!
One of the mothers insisted that the father of her child is a Saudi. Did she file a case right away? No, she ran away and worked outside for another employer. She claimed that she never knew that she was pregnant. She only sought help from the embassy when she was about to deliver the baby. If a housemaid got pregnant and it is proven that her employer is the father, then that would considered a rape case (for the reason that the housemaid is always deprived of the act to defend herself while staying in her employer's house).
Almost three years ago, I suggested to her that she must submit her son for DNA testing. The result would then be compared to the DNA of her Saudi employer. If it is proven that the employer is the father of the child, then her employer will go to jail and she can get a blood money. However if it is proven that the employer is not the father then she is guilty of "false accusation" and immorality.
She then told me that she would prefer to go home than to file a case.
False accusation or slander (qadhf) is a criminal offense in Saudi Arabia, and it punishable by jail terms and lashes. Immorality (zina) and prostitution (bighaa) are also punishable by jail term and 100 lashes. These are under hudud punishments which the penalties are fixed."
@money can't buy me love
I'm not a Christian, I believe in a hinger being and yes I am selfish.... if people get hurt that is because they let it be. If I get hurt I take it as a lesson and I don't take it against a whole nation or whole group of people. I blame no body for my mistake but myself.
I am not a super hero as well to save someone else's reputation.. Even if it's the reputation of my race, my race don't reflect me and I don't reflect them. If people judge me because of my race sure that is insulting but then again every people are unique I would rather take the insult and judgement as a result of his or her upbringing and him or her as a person.
I live with numbers and logic a world where in I expect that everything I do has a calculated counterpart, with that said I dont do things that has no straight impact on me.
If by any chance I would write something to give a good reputation to filipinas and by calculation there are more who do bad things (at least in this case) or more who don't believe it than those who do then it's useless. I don't do things expecting a maybe result, I do things and make sure that I have a clear vision of the result. It's just the way I run my life. I take account to my action and I expect others to do it too.
Caring is something u give to people or things u choose and it just so happen that people who made a bad choice and I don't know are not on my short list...
I asked my best friend why his filipina girlfriend did not apply for a job as a nanny in a place like Africa if she wanted to do the job because she loved caring for children...
Getting a visa to Africa would be much easier than getting a visa for Hong Kong.
She knows it would be much harder to be a hustler in Africa!
@objectivelyspeaking:
I read study a few years ago, but I do not have access to it now to quote verbatim.
The prevalence of spouse visa fraud is very prevalence. I remember these statistics roughly for all spouse visa applications:
1. Countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, the Middle East and Russia accounted for 87% of all spouse visa applications;
2. Of the above, fraud cases represented approximately 79% of the 87% of those spouse visa cases (please note that the majority of fraud represented the situations whereby the applicant partner misrepresented their intentions to the sponsor, who had genuine motivations);
3. Of the total of spouse visa applicants finalised, approximately 65% of these relationships ended in separaration (initiated by the applicant) within a period of 5 years from the time that the applicant was granted a permanent residency visa.
I just found out from my best friend that his girlfriend's mother and sister also married Western men. It seems that this is a family trend.
If I were him, this would sound off warning bells in my head already. He is so dumb that he is going to get used and tossed aside...
@jennycai:
I think your logic is flawed, but that is beside the point.
The basis of your arguments is that:
1. You are filipina, but you are different; and
2. There are things which you do not know directly and have not experienced directly; and
3. Based on points 1 and 2 above, you claim or infer that it is not accurate to claim that there is a filipina phenomena as has been articulated in this entire thread.
Your reasoning is very flawed for the following reasons:
1. Nobody has claimed or asserted that all filipina women have the same characteristics, traits or motivations;
2. Despite the above point, there exists as cultural, social and legal phenomena of filipina marrying purely for economic reasons. It would not be a phenomena if these situations were confined to a small number of cases;
3. The phenomena has been acknowledged by the Australian Department of Immigration domestically and in its overseas Embassy in Manila;
4. The phenomena has been ackowledged by immigration lawyers in Australia and other Western countries:
5. The phenomena has been acknowledged by a large number of filipinas themselves in questionnaires, etc;
6. The prevalence of message boards and other internet based content which feature numerous articles on this topic and the countless number of personal stories from men whom have been used and exploited by filipinas.
Yes, it is impossible to pin down all of the above evidence to reach fully scientific conclusions, but to use your logic would be akin to me shutting out the world by sitting in a cave with a blindfold over my eyes and cotton wool in my ears.
You don't seem to grasp that this is NOT about racial stereotypes nor victimising one group of people. It is about a real social problem cause by the values that are ingrained culturally in a very large number (BUT NOT ALL) filipina.
The problem is there and it is widespread. It is your choice whether you accept it or not. Just because you do not identify with the majority of filipina does not mean the problem does not exist. You should ask the opinion of the large number of men whom have been screwed over....
@jennycai:
In response to your post above, I am NOT judging you as a person because you are a filipina. I don't interpret that other posters in this thread are doing that, either.
We are all our own individual person.
If you are a proud person because you have not acted like the majority of filipina, then that is something we all should admire because the negative cultural values have not been ingrained within you.
I am from a Vietnamese migrant family. My family came to Australia as genuine refugees. We came with nothing but the clothes on our backs. I have pride in myself because I worked very hard to have everything I now have. It is from my own labour. I did not have to use or exploit other people.
Adding on:
As a former refugee migration myself, I chose to take the dignified path out of poverty and economic hardship by working hard to improve my situation.
If other people are too lazy to work hard themselves, are lazy and have to resort to exploiting others financially, psychologically and emotionally, then that this their own personal problem.
I realised that my early poverty was MY own problem and nobody elses'. It was up to me to change myself and in the right way. If I exploited somebody else, then I would be making my problem their problem.
Yes, it is human nature to want to improve one's lot in life, but it is wrong to exploit another person to so it...
People often point out to the fallacies of "stereotypes", but they often forget one important thing:
Stereotypes would not have been created in the first place nor would they continue to survive if the very originating concept or situation which gave birth to the stereotype was not prevalent and/or continuing on a widespread and common basis.
For example, if I started a rumour that filipinas only marry filipinos, that rumour would die a quick death and never become a stereotype because it would be contradicted by statistics and reality...
@jennycai
There would be no smoke if there is no fire. Filipina stereotypes don't come up in just one night. Filipina stereotype would have been created because your fellow Filipina has do it again, and again, and again. If you are a Filipina and would say you didn't do that kind of thing...well good for you. You are an endangered species in Filipina. I've found an interesting article at
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=446
And from that article I've been thinking, should I/we re-evaluate again and again and again and again (100x).... before accept a filipina wheter to have a romance,or perhaps hire them as an employer.
@Andrew:
I agree with you...
I think that it would be foolish to deny that stereotypes stem from a solid foundation, just as it would be foolish to assert that stereotypes represent totally any originating concept or situation...
@tan
Read those past comment that says they do....
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As ive said I'm speaking based on what I know and experience and who ever dispute that bashing with ideas that I know nothing about and with the fact that I said I don't really care and won't change my view unless I see it myself don't you think you are just wasting your effort..... Anyway I'm sure though that it's fun to write comments and comment on the latest comments but... This girl is a busy bee right now so I'll write more if I have the urge and the time and the mood and if I rethink that they are worth the consideration then I will.
@jennycai:
Whilst you may be content with your own subjective context, that does not negate other people's real experiences, especially the large number of men who have been vocal about their experiences with filipina women. Their experiences are just as real to them as your own experiences are real to you...
@jennycai:
You keep saying that you only speak from your own knowledge experience, but do you know everything and have experienced everything? If not, then the most you can claim is that you don't know...
...and just because you have not seen or experienced everything, does it follow that you claim that these men's experiences are false?
Which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
@Andrew
Those of my kind got no time for these kind of forum as for me let's just say Chinese new year give me a lot of times....so I am here.... Well hope I can introduce some of my kind but then again to most of them western old guys are gross.
Sorry did not read the article but if it warns you then I guess it's giving you a good thing right? But you know what if there are a lot at steak with these filipinas why still think about getting a filipina for a gf or even wife? I don't understand I mean is it for trill of finding that good apple from bunch of rotten one? I mean is it not just logical to just turn your back around and find that girl somewhere else?
I read the article. The article was not a warning. Rather, it was a piece of advertising, an eloquent, hyperbolic piece of fiction...
@jennycai:
To answer your question as to why some Western men still want to find filipina wives or girlfriends..
Some men can't accept their lot in life. For who they are, their standard in women are too high and they can't find that kind of woman in their own country because those women have more freedom and options in men and don't need to exploit men to survive financially.
The men exploit vulnerable women in poor countries who need to marry for economic reasons.
There is a mutual exploitation going on with both sides...
I never said it's true or lie all I'm saying is that it could be true and if ever they are I find them isolated cases.... Not enough for generalization.
I am yet to see a logical objective data proven argument.. All i see are subjective argument with subjective data. Just like mine of course which is I do know that in ways bias....
Anyway blah blah blah....
@jennycai:
So are you saying that because you have only seen "isolated cases", what about all of the information on the internet and the large volume of personal stories from these men? What about the hundreds of cases I saw in my previous work as an immigration lawyer? Are these examples "isolated"? The Australian Embassy even published articles on this very subject matter? Do you think it is fiction?
Remember that nobody can *PROVE* that God exists, either.
thats why I dont believe in GOD...
news and stories are either subjective or one sided, I have yet to see a news that is not, even from CNN and BBC.... so no mass media for me is not (specially the net, oh wait a minute you get your clues on the net???? really?????)a reliable source of information and yes for me everything that i havent proven myself or by objective data are fiction... I mean thats how I do it and thats how I accept things.
are you trying to suggest that i should change the way i view this matter?
with regard to the mutual exploitation, if its something mutual i mean both have knowledge and benefit.. then these western guys got no right to complain.
if he married her for looks and she married him for money then how come these guys complain, they get what they deserve. If she is a money hungry whore (which by the way a proven fact about humans behavior) and these western guys are the easy prey can you blame this girls... (well the method is disgusting of course) if there is no prey there will be no parasites.
@jennycai:
I am not telling you what you should ot should not believe.
I just don't think you should downplay or minimise other people's experiences because your experiences are different.
You have your own reality and they have theirs...
@jennycai:
Yes, they are both exploiting each other to an extent.
The Western man does not want a whore. If he did, he could just visit a brothel in his own country and not have to venture overseas. Yes, the Western man is far from perfect: he may be fat, in his middle age, been previously married and divorced, has adult children and could be financially strained in his country. Yes, he could be all those things, but in going overseas, he is more likely to be looking for genuine love rather than a whore (unless he is on a sex holiday).
The overseas woman is likely to be young, fresh, attractive, sexually willing and available, is willing and able to do and say anything to appeal to the Western man's needs and desire. Unlike him, genuine love is the last thing on her checklist, it is a bonus and only reserved for young, attractive and wealthy men. She wants her ticket out of the country any way she can...
The Western goes overseas looking for genuine love, but ends up with a whore.
The overseas woman is the whore who services him like a client under the disguise of love.
The man does not end up with what he is really after.
That is why it goes so wrong, especially for the man.
@tan
with the whole family being married to western man, how can that be a red flag?
so these man are looking for love? Well most people I know believe that it exist well I don't but regardless of what I believe, If they cant find this so called love in their own country then how on earth can they think that it can happen somewhere else? Ironically they look from third world countries? (why not find it in countries that dont have such problems like the one in the philippines?) It doesn't make sense!!! for sure they already have the idea that these girls could will be looking for money rather than love. (if it really exist).
The main reason why these man find that girl in the philippines is because they know that most girls here are in need of money, and believe that if they have the money to offer then this girls can give them real love... they are fools how on earth can you offer money for love?
and they have the guts to complain if things goes wrong??? unbelievable kind of thinking....
@jennycai:
Yes, the men are stupid, gullible and vulnerable, but I think a lot of them are genuine in looking for true love. They might be stupid, but they do not deserve to be used and exploited...
My best male friend is a perfect example. We are both 34 years old and have been best friends for 25 years. We went to primary school together and we will probably end up bring roommates in a nursing home we become 86 year old men.
As a friend, he is the best kind of friend to have, always reliable and loyal. At least he has been that way to me.
I can imagine that if he were to be a husband or lover for a woman, very few woman can tolerate him. He is tight fisted with money, always insist women pay their own way, wants to be the one in control in any relationship and is very stubborn.
He is not good looking, he looks are only average and plain. He owns his own house, but otherwise is not wealthy.
Yet he only wants to date women who look like supermodels. He will not settle for any less.
It is no surprise then that for the past 10 years, he has been single (not through his own choice) because not one woman in Australia is willing to accept him or put up with him.
When he met this really sexy 25 year old filipina "nanny" who was working in Hong Kong, she seemed like a breath of fresh air to him because she presented a very appealing image to him. She agreed with him on everything and she understood and accepted him like nobody else ever has (more than me, apparently, and I have been his best friend for 25 years). Yes, she was "so right" for him....
...and of course, she also wanted a permanently residency visa to live in Australia, but that was only a coincidence, right? He was convinced that her "love" for him was her primary motivation, right? Just like he was convinced that she was on a visa in Hong Kong to work as a "nanny" for a wealthy middle aged couple because she loved caring for children...
All of the above that I have written is a description of the fantasy that is going on in my friend's head at the moment, a delusion that he cannot shake off or dispel.
For further entertainment, I share the following conversation I had with him last week:
He said: "Guess what? Sonia [not her real name as names have been changed to protect the guilty!] is really OK with my suggestion that she pay for the application fee of her own visa application and she will pay for the cost of her airfare to Australia when the time comes. Is that amazing? I have the money, but it's her issue and her problem. I don't want her to think that I will ve financially supporting her after we are married".
I said: "So do you really think she is truly OK with that?"
He said: "Yeah, that is why she is so different to other filipino women".
I said: "If you believe that, then you are an idiot. Of course she has to be OK with it now, because her primary aim is to obtain the visa to Australia".
@jennycai:
My best friend's girlfriend's mother and sister also being married to Western men is a red flag because...
...unless it is a coincidence (which I do not think so), it suggests some underlying motivation that does not seem genuine. I think it goes way deeper than the explanation that they are just attracted to Western men.
Perhaps the fact that she is working as a "nanny" in a wealthy country like Hong Kong instead of a poor country like Africa is just another coincidence? But I don't think so...
Well it's just a logical to work in first world country cause u work for Money....
Well for sure there is a reason but it's not a given fact that's it's about money... My two uncles married western girls Americans in particular because it's not easy to get woman here in my tribe and that are both not attracted to lowlanders...
If they want love, find it In a place where they can be sure that girl won't be after his money...
@Andrew
Your question about re-evaluate hiring a filipina as an employee. I say, do it my friend. Filipina has tricked people long time ago. Remember the Bre-X scandal? Who is the geologist who do the dirty trick? Michael De Guzman. And what is his nationality? Use google to check about it.
I don't know with you people in here. But for me, romance, business, employment, life....never ever trust filipina.
They should be banned from middle east mostly UAE because all of my friends have a very bad experience with them.THEY ARE ONLY BEHIND MONEY nothing else .
First of all i would just like to say hello to everyone in here.. I just stumbled a cross this blog a couple of days ago when looking for postings about the success or failures of filippina and north american men marriages.
I agree and disagree with what i have read in here.. I have been to the philippines and have made many wonderful friends there that i still keep in touch with..Actually i hope to visit there again soon.. Its so beautiful there.. But the harsh reality is how do u survive there.. i truly believe that if the economy was not such a mess that relations would be a lot different.. one thing for sure a lot of the old guys that like to marry girls younger than their own children would maybe never get the opportunity to do so less to also go through a nasty divorce... come on guys really.. don't you think you should stick a little closer to your own age group...lol.. what the heck can u even talk to these young girls about?
Everywhere i went when i was there i met single mothers desperate to feed their children. .. the young men there have a lot to learn about responsibility, but hey, the government does nothing about it so why change .. Thus leaving a young mother with sometimes as many as 3 or 4 kids to fend for on her own.. So a lot of them learn quickly how to lie..
I'm a canadian guy in my early fifties.. i went there to meet a lady with 3 children who was 10 years younger than me.. that's not a terrible age gap and quite normal really all over the globe after a certain age..
While i was there i lived with her and her kids, it was great.. i was very fond of all of them.. later in the year, this was 2009, i had promised to bring her here for new years so that she could see what winter was all about and enjoy some good times here in canada..I had no choice but to cancel it later, due to the economy.. thats when things changed, i saw the other side of her..to make a long story short it wasn't long at all before another man was in the picture.. i could read the whole story like a book i had written myself.. of course when i confronted her about it she denied all of it.. Strangely enough they both share the same last name now..
He is 24 years her senior and not to knock him, i'm sorry but the man is not much to look at.. she is a very pretty woman.. she did what she had to do to look after her family.. i don't hate her for that..there are many fish in the sea and my time here is not up yet..
But now !! lets see how long it lasts !!
I wish her nothing but the best for the future.. where she now lives in minnesota i am sure that the kids will be well educated and provided for..
There is a lot more to this story, but i am actually not here to cry about it.. lifes to short..
Now on a positive note, here in canada in the toronto area i have many friends from the philippines.. All of them are here to help others at home as well as create a good future for their families .. Many of these ladies are married and i do not know a single one of them that cheats on their spouse.. i have seen many times where they could have, but not once did they..
One thing that i read in an earlier blog here was that once a pinay lady has gained her status here she looks for someone much closer to her own age... Very True.. If it was me i would do the same thing.. of coarse its not always about sex, but its a big part of a relationship..
Doesn't matter where you are from, what color, what race, we all crave affection..
Thanks for reading... Cheers !!
.....oh and dont be fooled by the ones that have a college degree, either. they're selfish fucking cunts that will STILL USE YOU for oppportunity or gain, here in the US. recently got a divorce (thank God!!) after almost 10 years. wow talk about "textbook chain migration..". my friends and family WARNED me but I thought, "nah...she loves me, etc, blah blah blah BULLSHIT.
I tried to make it work so many times but the last few years, honestly I just gave up and gave in. one of the saddest things a MAN can ever do....for what? to please an UGLY ASS-FACED, SELF ABSORBED BITCH FROM HELL?? WOW..
SO GLAD I "SAW THE LIGHT"..
Filipinos are some of the most guilt-tripping, narcissistic, neurotically jealous, assholes the world has ever seen. the play you off with their "so-called" supposed "humility" and say "oh honey, its up to you.. whatever is fine"....just wait. then you find out the real POS you married.
my way or the highway comes into play really quick..
there is a saying. "when you marry the Filipino, you marry the family"..yeah well...they RUN with that saying, and then some. my ex started bringing her backwards, retarded acting LOUD ASS,embarrassing family over here as soon as she got her Naturalized Citizenship and ANY opposition made by me, was thrown back in my face with GUILT GUILT GUILT and silent treatment.
Ive been around barn animals with more respect and manners. when you object to anything they say/do "oh your "mean" or a "racist"......but they love to have it both ways. hypocrites to the end.
they demand respect but give you none in return. just whatever suits them.
my advice? Marry a REAL Asian. not a wetback wanna-be...
what they regard as "talent" is a joke. and they are always raving about how "great" their shithole country is. LMFAO! its a joke, honestly...
they clown on other asians about English, when they themselves cant even pronounce BASIC 5th grade vocabulary words. pathetic...
@ jackass
Then u are so unlucky...
But then again its rare to meet a real good one who is interested to old westerners.
@ jackass
Sorry to hear about that buddy.
Now you can take a little time and get it out of your system..
Asia is a big place there are lots of good ones out there.
many people here are very happilly married to asian ladies..
One site that you might like to check out that is very professional is china love... all the ladies there are screened.. no BS.. very high success rate :)
@Tan - Thanks for the info. I have a couple of friends in the legal profession. I'll see if they can dig up anything although I am not terribly optimistic. Sometimes for reasons of international relations, such data may not be available to the public.
Anyway,I think what you are doing for your best friend is phenomenal. He is very blessed but just doesn't know it.
Posts flung around by filipinas that only old and ugly guys get preyed on is about the most dangerous deception I have ever heard. This is a trap for younger men into thinking they will have more success with filipinas in finding true love. Nothing is further from the truth. The whole basis of marrying someone to get out of the country for a better life is an ulterior motive in itself. There are many cases where the age gap is less than 10 years that suffer the same fate.
im a filipina and married for 17 with a japanese guy..have two kids..i do believe there are filipina who are just for money,,,but not all.just be carefull...choose the right one..good luck to you guys...
It is hard to "choose the right one" when people wear masks and play games...
i am married 17 yrs..i dont think im just for money..my husband loves me so much.we are a happy family...and i do still love my husband same as like were just a new wed couple..
if ur a tough guy ..u know how to choose the right one..no money involve when it comes to love,as they say....
A lot of men think they are in love...until they get screwed over.
they are just unlucky then...
Yes, they were unlucky because they were scammed...
It seems that there are a lot of "unlucky" men who get involved with filipinas, judging by the high volume of personal stories they have shared on the internet...
sad to hear that..tan..i just pray for them..we cannot stop those girl out there.who write high personalities...what comes around goes around..
My ex wife was SO NICE,UNTIL i married her.Makes you realize what is going on with Philippinas.
@rastadave - Exactly, dito.
for me, is not at all, Bcoz pinay have many reason why marry to foreign man, pinay women is not a selfish it depend upon the situation or what she like.i have a lot of pinay friend marry to foreign but happy family.
Just want to share something I learned today.....
So I was in a meeting this morning and me and my co worker got bore ( well you get the Time when you work in a company where in every meeting they require all dept managers to attend a meeting for your input but they don't really listen cause in the first place they already have an action and it's just for formality sake, anyway you get Picture) so I open this discussion because I just found out that hazeleah from the tech dept is married to a foreigner 20 years her senior.. Her two other sisters are maried to Canadian and German she is maried to a retired jail guard from TN. She is from a well to do family (personally I don't see why she needs to work while in fact she can just stay at home and be served) her father was a judge and her mom was a doctor, She went to one of the most expensive college in the country and got her masters and phd in Canada. They meet in Batanes, I asked her why she is here and not in the US and she said because life is better for both of them here than in the US. So she asked him to stay in the PH instead, and he agreed, he worked as an English teacher and she is working as the head of the tech dept. of course she makes more money than he does so it's really funny cause this is the first time I heard that a filipina is earning more money than her western husband. Oh anyway about her sisters they are both doctors the husbands are both man in uniform (see I'm not the only woman in this planet who is attracted to man in uniform) anyway button line is I take back what I said before that those good filipinas are not interested in westerners. Maybe there is another hazeleah out there so you can try your luck... Just make sure that she is rich, educated, career driven, and don't want to go to the states. (well that's her characteristics and so was with her sisters, yes both her sisters to are staying here in the PH) if one is missing then don't, don't take it unless these characteristics are complete. Well plus of course your standard.
She told me that her husband is good in cooking Mexican food and she invited me for dinner over their place Saturday.... Aww so I'm excited so see there are still good filipinas out there who are interested in westerners.
I never met ONE happy Phil-american marriage that lasted.SHOW ME MORE THAN ONE.
@ jennycai.
Totally awesome.. enjoy your dinner..
If you are ugly,fat,really, really old and wants very young fine looking Pinays,Philippines is not a place for you to look for love. If you are just looking for lust not love, you can go to the strip club. But if you are ugly, really old and indeed looking for a woman that is almost in your age group as you are, Philippines is the place to go. Period! Comment coming from Fil/Am by blood.
As for the comments of Philippine nurses getting married to a U.S citizen in order to stay in the U.S is a bunch of BS. They can actually applied for a green card because of their profession that were really in demand. Check it out and you will find Filipino/Filipina nurses on almost all hospitals and a lot of them are still singles. If " Man wants a beautiful Filipina nurse, one must be Patient".Lol.
@Danny
If I may be allowed to add something to that they must meet this single nurses standard... I'm sure the standard don't include old, fat, ugly controlling freaks..
when someone moves to another country to try and improve
themselves and their standard of living, why would they settle for anything less than what they want or even close.... they have already made the sacrifices and taken the necessary steps in the right direction..
although their will always be a certain percentage in any race that has a possible different motive..
I think what the toughest part is... the distance... when you already live in the same country it makes it so much easier to get to know each other and decide if that's what u want... not to marry them, bring them here, then find out there is not much you like about each other... that's really tough.. someone is really going to get hurt bad and maybe lose a lot of money.. quite possibly and old fat balding guy or a young man that is blinded by love.. can happen to anyone anywhere..
@jennycai:
Yeah, the only ones who accept "old, fat, ugly controlling freaks" are the ones who need visas out of the country, right.
You know the ones I am talking about. They are the ones buzzing around those men in Manila night clubs...
...and once they get out of their original country, they act like it is all beneath them.
You know the old saying, "once a prostitute"...
You can take a girl out of the bar, but you cant take the bar out of the girl.
A lying, two-faced, exploitative hustler is...a rose by any other name and economic context.
we all know that the last place we would look in our own countries for a good girl is a bar or strip joint... why would it be any different anywhere else.. a sex trip is a sex trip... bring that girl home.. Trouble !
@Tan: The problem with American is they are looking for Love on the wrong place like a strip club or bar just like your mentality. It came directly out of your comment to Jennycai.
To refresh your memory, this is your exact comment: You know the ones I am talking about. They are the ones buzzing around those men in Manila NIGHT CLUBS...
That is the same as the strip clubs or bar and there are there to make a living by lying to you or sell you some love. It is silly for you falling in love with a woman that works in NIGHT CLUBS, Lol. I will call you an amateur or a rookie. Let me give you a good advice: Try to meet regular women that do not work on NIGHT CLUBS or BARS in Philippines and you will find true love. I am half Filipino/Half American speak the language and a dialect fluently and I do not look like a Filipino and I rate myself at 8 out of 10. I am good-looking and grew up with my parents in Philippines but you might not believe it that I only went around four times in my whole life inside a strip club or bar just because my friends invited me to go. The problem with you is falling in love easily and it’s in the WRONG PLACE. I felt sorry for you in your experience.
@ Tan: I keep on insisting that an American should not be looking for love in a NIGHT CLUB and when I read your comment that you are from Australia now, I find that interesting. You know that since American move out of Clark Air Base because of Mt. Pinatubo eruption, Australians took over all the night club partying and falling in love in the Night Clubs. Are you one of them that visited that area? No wonder you has so much bitterness in your comment about Filipino women.You are from Australia + Night Clubs = Case Closed. Waste of conversation.
I totally agree with jessev that if you go to the Night clubs or strip bar,a sex trip is a sex trip... bring that girl home.. You are asking for Trouble !
@Danny:
You have no idea about my life.
I have never visited a strip club let alone one in Asia.
@Danny:
And I have never dated a woman from overseas let alone one from the Philippines. I'm not that stupid. It would be less risky to put my head in a lion's mouth.
I am not bitter because I have no reason to be.
@Danny:
Regarding your advice about good filipinas not being in bars, etc,...
...not all whores work in bars or charge money for sexual services.
Whores are the ones who marry purely for economic reasons because they want a better life for themselves and to be able to support their extended family.
They did not marry for love or sexual attraction, so they sold themselves through marriage.
Man is looking for an ideal woman and a woman looking for an ideal man. It is harder to find an ideal man than an ideal woman.
Here is the ideal man for a woman:
1). One that do not smoke
2). One that do not drink
3). One that do not gamble
4). One that is not a womanizer
5). All of the above
6). The last one is one that does not exist..……
I fall under the ideal man category because I do not smoke, do not drink, do not gamble and I am not a womanizer. The only imperfection I had is that I am a Liar.
Lesson here: It is much easier to find an ideal woman.
@mestizo:
I clarify: "it is much easier to fibd a DESPERATE woman", especially if a man looks for her in a certain place...
Liar, liar.... Pants on fire,Lol. You know what I'm talking about. If not, How do you know much about the Philippines than me given the facts that I live there for 22 years before joining the U.S Army. I only visited Manila when I went to the U.S embassy and you are talking about MANILA NIGHT CLUBS? Do you worked in dating sites? Making Internet search in the Internet does not make you expert in what is going on inside a MANILA NIGHT CLUB unless you been there. My nephews, nieces were all married to Americans, Mexicans, Vietnamese and also an Iranian and nephews and nieces are U.S citizens. I guess you are one of the ugly, very old man looking for a beautiful very young Filipino woman in MANILA NIGHT CLUB that was scammed. I go home each year for eight times and going back there again this year for 1 month since employed as a U.S federal officer for 21 years including my military service.
@DannyT:
I am 34 years old. I have never been to the Philippines or Thailand.
I base my knowledge from the real cases I saw and worked on during my years working as an immigration lawyer.
Your suggestion that I am bitter because I have been wronged by a filipina is laughable. I have never dated one or do I want to...ever.
I'm not bitter. I'm just smart.
I also travel in Thailand and also in Vietnam where the people were so friendly given the facts that we went to war with them. I has encounter some of their woman sexually but that not make me think negative of it because it is a sex trip for me. No scam and no bitterness but pleasure, Lol. Whores are everywhere in the world but if you want to look for love, stay away not from one specific whore (Philippine) that scam but all the whore around the world. Take off that bitterness for it will eat you up inside. Be a man and JUST LET IT GO.
You are a Lawyer? You do not act one in your comment.Let me see. I am not a U.S Federal Officer either. I am the president of the United States Of America, Lol. Lawyer......Keep that self esteem up, mate.
I mentioned that I am a lawyer way above, but whatever.
I know the truth of what I represent myself to be.
@ Tan: If you are indeed a lawyer. Give me your Internet link of your company instead I need a lawyer if I get in trouble in Philippines. I forgot that I am under the protection of the U.S Department of State.Anyway....Can you give me a link to your services?
I don't know why you think I'm bitter. I have never been used or scammed.
The reality is that filipino culture ingrains certain values in their women to make the majority of them whores.
Being able to grasp that cultural phenomenon does not make one "bitter". It just makes one AWARE.
You said that you have been on sex holidays in Asia. Why are you so defensive? Are Asian women more accepting if you because they are more desperate than their Western counterparts who reject you because they are in equal (and perhaps greater) footing?
To admit that you have been on a sex holiday in Asia reveals a lot about you...
Hello, Tan....You still there? Got to work now....Talk to your BS later.
@DannyT:
If you had read my previous posts more carefully, you would have realised that I said that I USED to be an immigration lawyer, but I left that work because it disgusted me after seeing first hand a large number of men being used and exploited.
I am practising family law now, but other than that, I don't have to tell you anything else about myself.
@ Tan: How about Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and third world countries. Why single out Philippines? It's all around the world, mate. Do you know that lawyers around the world are sharks? If you are a lawyer, you should know that.
Got to work, Tan. Bye as of now.
@DannyT:
Yes, apart from the Philippines, other countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Russia are amongst the ones which also have this problem.
Based upon my previous experience, howevever, I think this problem is most prevalent in the Philippines.
They are people who marry for purely economic reasons everywhere, but I think this value has been culturally ingrained in filipinas.
If you think that I'm "bitter" (which I am not), then you should read of the stories of men who been been affected by googling the internet. They are the ones who are truly bitter because it actually happened to them...
If only it was that simple. The cautionary comments here are not about filipina bar girls, strippers or outright prostitutes. To assume that would be an insult to our own intelligence. The warnings posted by many people here are about the filipina wolves in sheep’s clothing. Indeed, in the last few days, men have posted about being screwed over by filipina college graduates, seemingly wholesome filipinas introduced by mutual contacts, thinking they had exercised the necessary caution but still caught got. There are posts on other boards about filipinas already overseas offering to “introduce” their fellow filipinas to men at the work place. There are also posts about filipinas using their foreign fiancés or husbands to recruit their friends to go to PH to meet and marry more filipinas, bring them to the US. Same old story of surprise pregnancies. When it didn’t work out, next please. There seems to be a desperate desire to export themselves. Why?
I grew up in Asia, travelled a lot on work and business around Asia, Europe and the US. I have never been to PH but never had any bad opinion of PH people either, until... Some 6-7 years ago I heard from a couple of acquaintances (not friends) about their online dating experiences here in N. America. These guys were not on filipina sites nor were they looking to hook up with filipinas or marrying one from PH. They were just looking to date someone online, period. The stories they told me made my jaw drop. They were getting their webcam treats, having weekend morning quickies...with married filipinas, not immigrant women from other countries of origin. I asked how that could happen on weekends when the husband was at home? I was told that’s why they were quickies as the filipina was out on grocery shopping trips while the husband was home with the kids. One was even invited to a house in a local suburban neighborhood which facilitates such liaisons. These 2 guys do not know each other, but very similar stories about filipinas. Ever since then, whenever I hear or read about good marriages to filipinas, I take it with a huge grain of salt and ask myself - who’s the happy one in the marriage. Of course this is not to say all filipinas are adulterous, hence the game of Russian Roulette when engaging a high-risk group. After I discovered this board, further online research have turned up a cache of info about men being screwed over by filipinas in marriage, not just in the US, lots of stories also in the UK, and believe it or not, in France and Monte Carlo too.
@Tan, I do not doubt for one moment the credibility of who you are. Keep doing what you do. Welcome to this board. And also to the several others who came onboard this past week not because they have been personally stung by a treacherous and conniving filipina, but purely out of a genuine caring and concern for a family member, even a friend. It is people like these that keep this world still a good place.
@tan how can u say that it's culturally ingrained in the Philippines, have you been here? Do you know that in every region there are diff cultures for a certain aspect of life. Just like in my culture northern Luzon, we still practice arrange marriage and marriage to a foreigner is a desperate act and often times than not look down upon by the people here. (desperate act in such a way that they are the so called unwanted, the garbage of the locals )
While growing up I saw a lot of tourist couples one is a filipina and one is a westerner, they always and I say always get a yuck look from the locals in my community. We grow up with the idea that we have to preserve our culture and there is no way you can preserve that if you marry a westerner. If someone marry a westerner it's either that westerner should embrace the culture and not the other way around, if he doesn't his family will be outcast in the community. I know this as a fact because it was my high school paper, and yes it is still practice up to these days.
And we are not living in a primitive way, you can search about igorots there are even hubs that talks about it here. We are next to unheard or unknown and often times than not fellow Filipinos stereotype us as well.
Woman grow up in an environment where in a wife who stays at home (unless there is a baby to take care of) are viewed as lazy woman, woman who can't help financially at home are often look down upon, that culture mold us to be competitive. Man are required to have a house before marriage (though sometimes if he is a single child or the last child he is expected to stay at her parents house, but sometimes if the woman is the last child they are also expected to stay in the wife's parents house, it's just that last child always inherit the house)
One reason why parent despise westerners is parents are required (both sides) to give a property to the new couple, and they don't want that to be sold if they marry a local there is a greater chance that it will be pass on to the next generation.
I bet you don't know this, because if you do you won't say that it is with in our culture to be mold into something are bas as you see.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you for having the ability to grasp the point I am trying to make.
This is not necessarily a "bar girl" thing, but a whole cultural phenomenon that occurs on a much larger scale.
In my previous work, I encountered numerous cases on men who carried the fallacy of "she's not a working girl", "she's from a very respectable traditional family", "I give her money but she doesn't want to accept any of it".
Little did these men know that those were merely games that these women played. For those women who made out that money did not matter, it did become a major issue after these men married them, because her "brother needs money for dental works", "her sister needs money for rent", etc.
These men have recounted that these women had 2 faces: the false face they showed before marriage and the true face which emerged when they were unable to exploit these men anymore.
These women are very shrewd in sussing these men out at the dating phase, ascertaining their personalities and what makes then tick. They mold their own image in accordance with what they think these men want. That is why so many men get sucked in because these women seem like a breath of fresh air.
I had plenty of dealings with these women through my previous work as an immigration lawyer. I know all of the games they play.
That being said, I would rather go celibate than date them even if they were the last women on Earth.
@jennycai:
If you are from Luzon, perhaps that is where all the good ones are. Perhaps there is where all the Western guys should go...?
But seriously, the whole "traditional family values" image is something that I have seen some girls wear as a mask. What? They are so "culturally traditional" that they prefer to marry Western men instead of their local men? Yeah, true love sometimes happens, but it does not rank so highly in the filipina's list of priorities for procuring marriage.
The whole "traditional untainted wholesome virginal" girl bullshit is a scam that I have seen pulled on some of my male clients too many times. One of the girls claimed that she was a "virgin" when she married my client, but he found out after they were married that she already had a child. It must have been immaculate conception, given that she was a "virgin" and all...
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, I came to this board not because I have been wronged by a filipina, but because I am worried about my male best friend who is about to get married to one.
I have also drew upon my personal experience of having worked as an immigration lawyer for a number of years. That work gave me direct insight of people's motivations, the lies they tell, the games they played and the destructive aftermath where (usually) the man gets used and exploited because the woman used him to climb a social and economic ladder.
As to your comments above about the good marriages to filipina, I too take it with a grain if salt. Yes, I have observed a small number of them. Although those relationships still continue (in that the couples do not divorce), I would not say that they were happy or healthy for the men in question.
In those relationships, the filipinas still stay with the men because these men still had very big pockets and they were still willing and able to be a walking wallet which the women could open as often as they liked.
If I were the men, I would rather be single than to have a partner like that...
@Tan - It took me more than 20 years to think and feel this way about filipinas, despite really bad experiences and irreversible damage suffered by people close to me. I had always thought those cases are isolated and can happen to anyone by anyone. Being Asian myself, and having been subject to discrimination before in Western societies in the past, I am very against any form of racism. I don't see colour or creed when I deal with people, including blacks. What I stand for is ethics and decency. I have done a lot of research on this subject matter. For almost every complaint against filipinas posted here, I have found a similar complaint on another board, sometimes more than one other board. I was rather astounded myself.
It is my belief that those who look for caution will find it. Those who choose to ignore caution may end up paying a very high price. Then there are those who choose to argue for argument's sake. We can't help everybody but at least we have tried.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I totally understand where you are coming from. I truly GET IT.
Since I am also of Asian descent, I too have faced discrimination and racism during my life, but I think that you and I both agree that the issues raised and discussed in this board do not stem from racism or stereotypes, but rather from a cultural phenomenon that is validated and supported by sheer volumes if real life stories from the horse's mouth itself.
My opinions and conclusions have been formed by many cases I observed through my previous work.
And those opinions would not have bern brought to the forefront until now when my best friend is going to marry this filipina.
I am worried sick for him because every fibre of my being tells me that it will end badly for him.
Guess who is going to be there for him to pick up the pieces when it all falls apart...?
@Tan - Sadly, sometimes it takes a life-devastating mistake for some to realize they should have listened. This is why we hear people say "Now I know who my true friends are." But true friends never give up. Look at the people here who are giving their two cents worth to caution complete strangers online. In my life experiences having travelled so much and relocated my home so many times, I remain optimistic about the world - 95% of the people in it are good people. So never give up hope. We should keep looking out for others, cautioning them. In the end, they will know where we are coming from. Just hopefully not too late. Even if by sad fate it is too late, we still have to be there for them.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I think you're right. There are some things in life we cannot rescue other people from. They only get it after the crap hits the fan.
I can certainly take steps to protect my friend legally by ensuring that his assets are safe, but emotionally and psychologically, he might have to learn from the school of hard knocks...
@Tan - That's exactly right. Your best friend already has something most men never had before marrying a filipina - a best friend who's in the position to legally ensure his bases are covered. You landed on this board out of concern for him. Everyone landed on this board for a reason, although sometimes they forget...and then start arguing against it. How foolish and immature.
Don't worry yourself over taking on those who don't get it or don't agree with you. Sometimes it is better to just leave them be. I am sure I am not the only one here who sees your viewpoint and understand your stance. Have a great weekend.
@Tan and @objectivelyspeaking
I am very glad i stumbled accross this column this week.. How do you say... its very interesting and informative to touch on this subject with so many Different inputs from so many Different angles..
I will always protect those that i know that are good.. they are my friends..
But,in my posts from a couple of days ago i spoke of a filipina lady that i had met in 2009 that is now married to an american guy.
She had me hooked good guys and in the end, luckily, due to financial difficulties at the time i could have easily became one of statistics.
Before i went there i followed the correct protocol and did the visit to the doctors office, had my blood and urine tests done,hep shot,malaria shot and even got a small pack of travellers diahhrea pills..thank god i never had to take any.. drank lots of beer,ate well, fresh catch and fresh fruit..
Anyways... this was a very hot lookin lady and we did have a lot of fun together.. saw some great places on our journey together there.. fell in deep with her family.. her uncle is one of the leaders of the brotherhood.. these guys are the good doers that help when no one else will.. i have a lot of respect for these people, they are true humanitarians. they all wear a tatoo. whenever you go into a certain area the brothers ID each other with it.. even if if they have never met..... it's all good.. when i go back they want me to wear one.. all im trying to say is.. i was accepted and we respect each other..no more needs to be said about that.
Her aunts and uncles don't have much to do with her these days and don't agree with what she has done,be it good or bad, its her choice.. so u know.. the family is not rich.. mostly poor, but real..
what actually got me to want to share this part with you was when tan was talking about the virgin girl that had already given birth... thats helarious..
This lady had told me that she had not had sex in 5 years since her husband had left and was verrry stern about it.. hey! i thought that was great of coarse..
Well... it wasn't long before i thought to myself hmmmm sure doesn't seem like 5 years to me.. maybe a week..
to make a long story short.. about 2 days after returning home she informed me that she had gotten gonorrhea from me while i was there.. the same day i was at the doctors office for the nasty test.. which for some reason took 3 weeks to come back.. negative... whew!! thankgod....it was right about that time i had developed a serious lack of money problem.... think you guys can figure the rest out..
Her new hubby.. he's a guy in his mid 60's... he has her there now with the 3 kids in the states and is diggin deep all the time and like tan says... guess he better keep diggen with deep pockets or shit will hit the fan..
Got the eye candy on the arm now though..glad im out.. better single...so true..
Wiser next time... i hope so..
@jessev:
Your story is tragic because you got involved with that woman with genuine intentions, but the person you were involved with did not reveal her true face until you reached a situation where you could not sustain the same level of financial commitment, so she moved to the next guy who could.
I think that when you met this woman, she quickly sussed you out and figured all the right buttons to push. Welcome to the game...
I have had these filipina hustlers try to pull their magic on me, too, but it did not work.
I figured that if true love was meant to happen to me, it would involve a female partner who did not need a visa and who could contribute on an equal basis financially and who was with me because she truly loved me and not because she could exploit me.
That is what a healthy relationship is. It is not healthy for one person to exploit the other financially or socially or for migration purposes.
When in doubt, remember that bachelorhood is ALWAYS the better alternative. At least you could spend money on yourself...and not another person's extended family, their neighbours, etc...
You would be amazed that the large number of men who do not have the insight to be able to grasp that logic and reasoning, which is why they end up so badly with these women.
this is wrong,the person who wrote this is stupid because of judging a Filipina women. as far as i concern not only filipina do this shit even a american women does.
Over the years, I have developed a little test for my clients to work out if these women are genuine. The test involves an false outward projection of the opposite image as to who you are and what you want:
1. If you truly like submissive, virginal women who don't question you on anything, let play the game where you get them to think that you want sexually agressive, assertive, financially independent women;
2. If you truly like sexually agressive women who are financially independent, play the game where you want them to think that you want women who are virginal and sexually submissive;
3. If you are tight fisted with money, play the game where you get them to believe that you are very generous with money. Splurge money freely around them and their families at first and see if they continue to milk you; and
4. If you are truly very generous with money, play the game where you don't give her any money and see if she moves on to another guy quickly.
The above test is one which I have tried on a lot of filipinas I have met and who had the potential to date me. They ALL failed the test which is why I have never dated a filipina.
At least my wallet is still full and my bank accounts have not been drained.
Do you think I ended up better off than some of the men who have posted in this thread?
@Tan
Its so true. the best liers are the ones that so convincingly make you believe in them..
The saddest part you know.. a guy does his 25 or in most cases more years to secure a good retirement and uses it all up trying to prove his love to a manipulator..
I can only imagine what u have seen in your position, but i count myself as a lucky man to have learned what i have in the way i have without long lasting grief and hatred.. my eyes are wide open and my shields are up but life goes on..
they say things happen for a reason right.
in the past few months i have been dating a chinese doctor.. a very kind hearted sweet hardworking honest lady full of good morals and ideals..
It still blows me away sometimes when she pushes my hand away when i try to pay for certain things..
isn't karma something:)
@Tan
Absolutely
@anonymous:
When you say, "this is wrong, the person who wrote this is stupid because of judging a filipina women"...
...do you mean the person who "wrote" the originating article...OR
...the large number of men who "wrote" about their own personal experiences. There are a large number of them here (and on the internet in general), don't you agree? Are they "stupid" because they went looking for genuine love and ended up used and exploited? Or are they "stupid" because you are intent on offering a blanket defence of a specific group of people...?
Which is it...?
@jessev:
They say that experience is the best teacher.
If only my male best friend knows now what you have learnt from your own experience.
At least you can seek comfort in the fact that at least from a financial perspective, a lot of other men out there ended up WAY worse off than you. That is a really high price for them to pay when all they were after eas genuine love and companionship.
I have come across stories of men who have literally lost everything, their children losing their inheritance, the men ending in prison over false allegations of child sexual abuse, etc.
@Tan
OMG
that is the lowest of low.. completely destroying a family.. and what can his say to him about it... nothing!
Put him in jail so she can finish cleaning him out with him out of the way and no money to defend himself... wow....
@jessev:
You walked away lucky.
Believe me.
Put it down to a bad experience. Sort of like eating yoghurt that was off...
I remember from my previous work a lot of instances where they told me their wives left them after they obtained their permanent residency visas.
I generally had the same conversation with each and everyone one of them.
The conversation was as follows:
I asked, "what went wrong?"
They said, "she just changed. She became a totally different woman".
I said, "no! Wake up and smell the coffee. She never changed. She just became genuine. Isn't it ironic?"
@Tan
Thankyou very much.
The insight that you have just given me and the way you summed up my situation is the exact reason i was searching the internet for blogs on this subject..
I have all the answers that i need and closure to it..
In the end.. the part that i had missed the most was her children.. she had a young daughter that was very special to me..
onward and upward.. Have a great weekend.. tale care..
@tan
NO.. it's also a bad place for them, as I've said most of us are not interested in western man...we view western man who come to the PH to get a Filipino wife as unwanted from their home country so why should we take the garbage of others.
@jennycai:
"Most of us are not interested in Western man"...?
That is quite a stretch, isn't it? How do you account for the sex tourism industry there, then, as well as the publications published by the Australian Embassy in Manila...?
I just got back from work and you still here, Lawyer Tan? Do you really got a job? Australia is a place where men outnumber the women so they start looking for love in Philippines where women were beautiful. If a really old Australian is looking for women that is more than half their age in a night club, that is the dumbest thing to do. Australian men only stays in one place when they go to Philippines and that is the place they call "The Strip" because that area is full of night clubs and bars. They are sex tourism even here in the U.S. In Las Vegas alone had this place they call "The Ranch" whore house. I also met and have sexual contact with American, German,Japanese women when I was in the Army. I met this fine looking female in a regular bar and she took me home and had sex with her and all of a sudden,somebody is knocking on the door and calling "Mommy". The female open up the door and put her son to bed and when I asked her that i don't know that she had a kid, she told me that she is also married to a Captain and he is deployed in the field. that is the time I got the hell out of that house. I am a sergeant then and do not want trouble with a captain.
It's my bed time now. Tan, forget about the Filipino woman that scam you. Let your friend do what he wants to do if he decided that he want to marry a Filipino woman.He is a grown man. Are you jealous and in love with your best friend that is why you hate his Filipino girlfriend or soon to be wife?
@DannyT:
You sound sillier with each successive post. You are a waste of my time. Post to somebody else from now on...
@tan -
sorry but in my community we don't have BARS, we don't have strip clubs, and there are for sure no prostitutes, there is a curfew and it is applied to both foreign and locals (9:00 pm). "in case you forgot I am talking about my tribe, (though I am working in the city now,6 hours drive from my province I still call that place home),
I also live in the summer capital of the Philippines but the problem with this place is that it rained almost everyday all year round, that is why foreigners hate to come here, sure there are clubs, bars but as far as I know my foreign co-workers go down to angeles to have that kind of thing and not around here, maybe due to the fact that they don't have much choices over here than down there.
Most foreigners here are students, and most of them are from Korea, japan, Iran, Ghana and others so I guess those are not sex tourist they are students.
again I am talking about my tribe and again yes most of us are not interested to westerners. We have a lot of choices from the locals, well educated, good looking, financially balanced bachelors, same age range and to top it all we share the same culture. It will be so stupid to choose fat, ugly, old (often times divorced with kids), control freak westerners when we can have a better man just within out reach...
with the 7107 island in the philippines how many island can you name?
out of 100+ tribes how many can you name and how many percent of their culture do you know?
how can you say that its part of our culture when you dont have an idea at least 1 percent about our culture.
@jennycai. Sorry i'm a little confused. Yesterday you stated;
"Just like in my culture northern Luzon, we still practice arrange marriage and marriage to a foreigner is a desperate act and often times than not look down upon by the people here. (desperate act in such a way that they are the so called unwanted, the garbage of the locals )"
Yet, 8 days ago, in your first post, you told us;
"I had an American BF before who is 15 years my senior, he is old but he wear something that hypnotize me the most, he is a man in uniform. We finally broke up because he wants me to leave my princess like life here in the Philippines just to be in the US and do what?"
Were you looked down on when you were dating the american man?
philipinas are whore i have bad experience with one. she was so nice. she show me that she is religious and then when she came to USA she start changing .always with actitude ,then she got her gc and decide to move on . she disapear .
@jessev – Thanks for sharing your story. I think someone upstairs was looking after you. That economic setback may have saved you from a lifetime of grief and unimaginable financial losses. You may wish to read the Horror Stories on @rastadave’s detective website if you haven’t done so yet. One of the guys landed in jail. If you watched the David Scott/Cynthia Delfino story on NGTV last year, Scott was taught how to use heavy-duty firearms by Delfino’s people when her ex-husband was hunting them down with guns and car-chasings. Imagine if Scott actually shot/killed someone in PH... Scary stuff.
@objectivelyspeaking
No i have not seen any of it yet. thanks for the tip, i'll check it out.
And thanks... yes i count myself as a very lucky man..
I AM NOT a SEX TOURIST just because i am a MALE tourist!!! I hate that sterotype!!! I live here because the cost of living keeps me from being HOMELESS in USA!!!
Ya mon,check out http://www.angelesdetective.com .Click on "Horror Stories".They are ALL true!!!
I must point out out that despite all the bad things you hear about Philippino women,they are 100% better than an American woman!!!Trouble is MOST western men pick women who have NO EDUCATION.If you pick a lady here with a brain,you wont have so many troubles.Also ONLINE is no way to meet a Filippina!!! You have to travel HERE to meet a really good woman .
I use and change my name to "they just want Passport and money","moneycantbuymelove" so jennycai won't notice. I am sorry for what I have said before. I am just angry that a Philipna scam me and promise to marry me and change her mind when she met me in person. :(
That's when it can get tricky too. With 2-4 weeks' vacation per year, that is hardly enough time to really know someone even as a friend, let alone short list candidates for life partnership. I have read that the educated ones with good job/family background (in other words the quality chicks) mostly have no desire to leave PH as life there is pretty darn good for them. They are also smart enough to know the relativity between cost- and standard-of-living. If they are qualified enough to make a good $ in a foreign company in PH, they also know that those same $$ will buy them A LOT LESS in the US. Plus, they can have low-cost maids in PH, don't dream about that here. I am paying $30/hr for maid service. Bonus - they don't have to leave their loved ones behind. Their thinking actually makes sense to me.
Otherwise, the educated ones who work in say health care or whatever are paid like USD6-8K pa, which means their willingness to leave PH is again money-related. Back to the same old problem we are discussing here.
@Tan
WHAT??? You totally compromised the credibility of men posting here. NOT GOOD AT ALL !!
@ jennycai: You look so beautiful that I might fall in love with a filipina again. But the problem is like the other filipina that I love before that change her mind the moment she saw me. I hope you are not like that. Once again,jennycai. You are beautiful. Take it as a compliment from an Asian from Australia. Sorry once again for what I said about filipina women. I love to date one if only they can accept me for my looks and my second personality disorder that I hate all filipinas because they did me wrong once before.
The above posts are not from me.
Someone is using my name.
This is the real Tan.
Obviously somebody is using my name and posting as me because they want to smear my and drive me off this board.
Some agendas are as transparent as glass.
It seems I have hit a raw nerve with some people.
Someone had posted in my pseudonym too, but with the prefix @. Maybe we should ask Hubpages if the system accepts more than one pseudonym with different email addresses.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I am not a registered member, but I am looking into it now.
OK, this is the real Tan.
I finally got registered so there would be no more bullshit with other people using my name to post as me to try to smear me.
@Tan - when you sign up, pls ask Admin why the system can be flouted this way. I just checked, this thread has exceeded 500 posts, therefore very popular and getting attention.
I am the real Tan? Who the hell are you? As I said before sorry for my second personality disorder that I hate all filipinas.
The real Tan is now registered.
DannyT, I know it is you behind this whole thing.
Obviously, I said something that must have really gotten under your skin.
Do you feel personally attacked by my comments because you are half filipino?
I don't know why you are so offended when in your own words, you are or have bern a sex tourist in your country.
If there was no supply, there would be no demand, right?
You are pissed off because my views have hit too close to home..,
Then who is @moneycantbuymelove? She seemed to be a real person making logical posts.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I think it is also time for you to consider getting registered as well.
Obviously, there are a few people whom are getting very threatened by our views so that they would have to resort to this.
I have no idea who moneycantbuymelove is...
Just like I said before. @ jennycai: You look so beautiful that I might fall in love with a filipina again. But the problem is like the other filipina that I love before that change her mind the moment she saw me. I hope you are not like that. Once again,jennycai. You are beautiful. Take it as a compliment from an Asian from Australia. Sorry once again for what I said about filipina women. I love to date one if only they can accept me for my looks and my second personality disorder that I hate all filipinas because they did me wrong once before.
You know that people are threatened when they have to resort to subterfuge and withdrawal from intelligent debate.
Intelligent debate is all that I have tried to perpetuate here, but it seems that some people cannot handle the truth very well because it is like holding up a mirror to ther face and making them look directly into it. Too confronting for some people, I guess.
The idea that I have used multiple aliases to tell stories is laughable. They are too many real men out there whom have posted their personal stories here on their on volition.
I don't have the time to create all of the other internet resources out there about this subject matter.
If it walks and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.
The truth is too much for some people to accept, it seems.
@jennycai: Can we be friends on Facebook? Just e-mail me at
TanloveFilipina@yahoo.com
@objectivelyspeaking:
Please accept that the real Tan is the person with this username from now on and disregard all other posters or other names which purport to be me.
I have posted too often for you to doubt that this is the real me.
@DannyT:
You are such a coward to hide behind a mask, but I guess that is a filipino quality, right?
If you are such a man, engage in intelligent debate in your own name, but maybe you have nothing intelligent to say.
I am not going anywhere, so if you are hoping to drive me away, don't hold your breath.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I think the confusion over the identities of some posters was caused by the design of this forum.
They were some registered users who have posted under their usernames after they signed in.
Before today, I was not registered and had been posting as a guest, where I manually typed my name before each post I made.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Your name does not appear in bold, so I guess that you are not registered yet.
This is TanloveFilipina? What is your problem if we had the same name? I do not look like you. Put a picture of yourself then so there is no way they can tell it's not you.
@ the poster immediately above:
I think you have some mental health problems which need resolving...and the answers are not to be found on the internet.
That secondary disorder is that I'm pertaining it to the real Tan, ha ha ha. Keep on looking for that young nice looking guy to place it on your picture, Tan. Just post you picture to take off the pressure, ha ha ha.
I am totally ignoring you from now on. Goodbye and goodluck...
@jennycai : Mga tanga kasi ang mga naririto. Paano kaya gusto nila ng 20 years old given the facts na ang tatanda na nila at mga 60+ na then kung iwanan sila at gagalit sila. Siyempre, sa club at strip club kasi naghahanap ng love ang mga Australians. Me pagka-toyo rin sa mga ulo tulad ni Tan na Asian pero walang utak. Sabi pa ay lawyer? ha ha ha.
@jennycai : Kayang walang maipakitang picture si Tan kasi siguradong gurang na, mataba at pangit pa yan. I can assure you that kaya nga di makapag-post ng Picture niya dahil na-turn sa isang Pinay na nagtratrabaho sa night club. Wala akong pakialm kung mag-tagalog tayo dito. Maiins lang lalu yang si Tan, ha ha ha.
Where is Tan with the second personality disorder? Common, don't live me alone in this site, ha ha ha.
@TanfromAustralia
I have no plans to register with Hubpages any time soon. Don't ever connect through FB with you are logged in on Hubpages. That's when malicious parties can track you down. A lot of the real faces behind those filipina internet scammers asking for money are not women at all. The real scammers are actually men who use women's photos to scam men. Always tread carefully on the online landscape. Keep safe.
It got to be the AR-15. :( I was about to show all my gun collection in my Facebook. :(
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you for the advice.
I also read about that.
I already track him down,objectivelyspeaking.ha ha ha. You are not on my list though but you are smart not to register, mate. Tan just took the bait, ha ha ha. He is not even a lawyer as he stated.
I connected to one of your friends already, Tan. Guess who?
@objectivelyspeaking:
I don't even have facebook.
@moneycantbuymelove
DATED... not married... dating is diff from marriage, and yes my friends look at me like as if I am somebody's garbage. my family did not talk to me for such a long time. I was young then and everything to me is such a cultural bullshit but then again I came to my senses...
@jennycai:
So did you break tradition to date a Western guy then?
tanlovefilipina
haha ok ka lang... my friend told me that if you hate someone so much or something so much it just mean that you want that someone/something so much but you cant get it. or you have been hurt so much by that something/someone that its just a way of getting over it...
I have a lot of facebook account which one do you want hehehe kidding :)
@jennycai:
You know very little about me.
I have never dated any woman from overseas because I did not need to. I can find good women in Australia just fine, the ones who are with me because they want to be and not because they can get something out of me.
I need to respect the woman I am with. I don't have to be an open wallet for them.
no I dated a western guy (the tradition was to marry a local)so no but if I was as foolish as I was before I might have broken the tradition.
I was young then and i think all that my grandpa and grandma told me are just traditional BS, and I want to show them that there are foreigners who wants to stay here as well be with the woman they choose to be with. A white man who wont take me away from them but a white man who will join us instead of taking me away.
when I told him that I want us to stay here with my family he told me that we cant, and blah blah blah... then I realize that yes they were right, my grandparents were right. so thanks to who ever he is/she is I did not break the tradition.
I was free from the "yuck" look from my friends, my family was talking to me again and I realize things that I have not realize before...
@jennycai:
Everyone has a unique, individual story.
I think that you are one of the very few good filipinas out there.
A lot of Western men aim to find genuine filipinas to settle down with, but there is a wider cultural phenomenon for filipinas to marry for economic reasons and to escape their poverty.
Although it may not have been obvious, I am quite sympathetic towards people less fortunate than myself. I had a very tough upbringing in a very poor context as well. The world is not a fair place. People have to do what they can to survive. I totally get it.
But I think that the way out of poverty for filipinas is not served by their aim to marry Western men if there is little or no love involved. That would be an ignoble and lazy strategy that gives birth to a whole range of social, cultural and legal problems and subtracts from the image of your country as a whole. Furthermore, the majority of these Western men are looking for genuine love, so it is wrong to exploit them, to play with their hopes and emotions and then discarding them when there is no further utility. Remember that the impoverished state of your country and your personal struggles are not their problem.
It would be a much more dignified approach to fix up your country internally, by everyone taking small steps to rebuild it by changing the political and social pressures which drive women into prostitution and marriage to Western men for economic reasons.
Filipinas have the right to be just as proud as any other women on Earth. Filipinas are entitled to have much more choices for themselves so that they do not resort to marriage as a means of economic survival. Filipinas are entitled to be respected like other women as well...
From my years of working as an inmigration lawyer and personally observed hundreds of cases of Western men who marry filipinas, I realised that the root of problem is as follows:
Western men find the image of filipinas very sexy and attractive. These women take care of themselves physically and look younger than their real ages.
Western men find the idea of of filipina attractive because she presents an image of a woman who accepts them for who they are, does not challenge them and is eager to make them happy.
Whilst Western men find the image and idea of the filipina extremely attractive, he still (wrongly) imposes the Western concept onto her, which is the concept of equitable financial contribution in a marriage by both husband and wife. So in some ways he wants the filipina to approach marriage like a Western woman. And of course he expects the filipina to approach the marriage with love for him as her first priority.
The filipina comes from a social and cultural context whereby the institution of marriage pushes women to marry for primarily social and economic survival. The concept of love is something that is merely a bonus, but not the primary enticement.
I think there is a cultural misunderstanding that Western men have when marrying a filipina. The men truly don't get this culture.
What the Western man truly wants is a wife who has the looks, mannerisms and acceptance of the filipina, but the financial values of the Western women.
@tanaustralia
I did not say that you need to.. DID I? the message is not even for you...
I read a lot of post in here with too much hate... and I was talking about them...
I'm not asking what kind of woman you date and where and how you get them...
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with the guy that I date before I was attracted to the uniform, most of the locals I know are lawyers, educators, Engineers, truth is none of them are wearing a uniform. When I meet him he looks so like a man, with all the folds and press of his uniform in all the right places, and with his moves and words it seems everything is so calculated, there is a mystery in that look. None of my friends talks, dress and act like he does. Most of those who are interested in me are dress with the boring suit so yes it sounds like i was more in love (if there is such a thing as love)with his uniform rather than who he is... It was all wrong and I guess he sense it one reason why when I said its over and he said ok...
and no he did not spend a lot he always insist to pay the dinner though when we go out and the first time he meet my dad he did bring a bottle of wine with him, I did not ask him for a gift but on my birthday he gave me the 50 state map postcards, all postmarked in the state where the postcard is from,I know it was not that easy but he did it, in return I paint him a cherry blossom and I made him a scarf, I still have the cards that he gave. He is not a bad person, the relationship was not bad either, it was good until it last.
most of all he is not, fat, ugly, old, control freak kind of person. he is perfect the only flaw is that he is a westerner.
@jennycai:
Although your post was not addressed to me, you implied that I am bitter person who hates filipinas because I have been wronged by one.
That is so far from the truth it is laughable.
I have worked for years as an immigration lawyer and have personally observed a lot during my experience.
With everything I have seen, I would not be stupid enough to get involved with any women whi needs visas.
It would be far more safer for me to play the game of Russian roulette as I would have much better prospects for survival.
@tanaustralia
they wanted a filipina wife with all the good diff of the word filipna wife but they want that filipina wife to have a western way of financial understanding.
if they want a western way of financial understanding then marry a westerner.
@jennycai:
I totally agree with you about that.
I married an Australian woman. I treat her equally, like a partner and not as my slave. But if I treat her equally, then I expect her to work and make equal financial contributions as well.
Equality is total equality for the good and bad things, not just for the good.
I don't financially support my extended family in Vietnam because if I can work to earn money, they can also work to earn money as well.
Since I do not give money to my extended family, I don't let my wife support her extended family as well.
That is fair.
@tan
then maybe you are guilty of it... you are hurt that your best friend is so into this filipina and he disregard your advice. You are hurt that with all the years that you called each other best friend and when this filipina came into his life it seems that something has changed, that caused your anger. You hate this filipina enough to post those one sided comments...
i dont feel bad about the comments but I guess the anger is intense enough for you to keep coming back in this post to comment and dispute every comment that seems to be pro-filipina. So yes I guess you are bitter because you are taking it too personal.
truth is I dont know, but it looks like the reaction about the friend is OA...
lawyer or not i don't really care, cause u keep saying that you work as an immigration lawyer and you know that this filipina marry for the visa, then it goes to say that your government is stupid to let them in or grant them with a visa even if they already have a prior knowledge about the intention.
@jennycai:
My male best friend had an Australian girlfriend about 10 years ago. I liked her very much as a person and I got along with her very well.
I am not jealous about my friend's happiness. If he found another girl who did not need a visa, I would be thrilled for him and be very welcoming towards her.
I am worried that he is now involved with this filipina "nanny" in Hong Kong because there are many aspects of her character that I consider to be high risk.
I honestly think that there have been a number of lies she has told him about herself, her family and her general background.
I don't blame this girl for wanting a better life for herself, but I just don't want her to exploit my friend in order to do so...
I'm Back! If the Australian were being treated bad and being scam by Filipino women, why bother go to Philippines? Why don't they stay in their country and look for their own women in Australia? Are Australian women endanger species too in Australia? Ha ha ha
How's the "Lawyer" doing today, ha ha ha
@jennycai: Puede bang isama kita sa isa sa mga friends ko? Naka-private ang account ko at kung maaari ay email mo sa akin ang Facebook name na gamit mo. Kung OK lang sa iyo. Kanta yata yun, Ha ha ha
Morning all. Just woke up 8 am in England.
What on earth has been going on here, since my last post!
@jennycai, thank you for answering my querie. I realise you may have thought i was trying to catch you out, i was confused that you'd told us about your American bf originally, but in later posts had indicated you'd only be interested in local men. We are all likely to change the way we see things with experience and maturity, another thing men should bear in mind when seeking a much younger girlfriend!
@Tan: You said you used to be an "immigration lawyer" too. We are almost on the same business for I worked as a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) too. I will be going back in Philippine this April and May. You’re free to join the trip, ha ha ha. I give more tips than what I consume because I meet a lot of hardworking, honest people when I go on vacation in Philippines.
@ Tan: Your quote to jennycai: You know very little about me. I have never dated any woman from overseas because I did not need to. I can find good women in Australia just fine, the ones who ARE with me because they want to be and not because THEY can get something out of me. I need to respect the woman I am with. I don't have to be an open wallet for them.
Then here’s your quote once again to her: I married an Australian woman. I treat her equally, like a partner and not as my slave. But if I treat her equally, then I expect her to work and make equal financial contributions as well. Equality is total equality for the good and bad things, not just for the good. I don't financially support my extended family in Vietnam because if I can work to earn money, they can also work to earn money as well. Since I do not give money to my extended family, I don't let my wife support her extended family as well. That is fair.
Make up your mind if you are dating or married? You are not still married, Period! If there were not enough Australian women for the Australian men, what make you think that you can get one before them? You can get a female kangaroo for sure, ha ha ha
Matured, old and been married before and cannot make the right decision in their life whether they will be scam?
The only challenge that I had is not when I am at the Gulf war. My biggest decision and challenge that I ever made is during my childhood to where I need to pick what ice cream flavor I will choose, ha ha ha
@moneycantbuymelove
Yes! I learn my lesson with western man, and I have seen a glimpse of future with him and I did not like what I saw, so yes right now I am only interested in local and for sure it will stay that way...
@ tanlovesfilipina
My greatest on going challenge is choosing to eat toasted bread and ham for breakfast or eat it for meryenda. Kidding... I like vanilla with the nuts on my ice cream... Hehe
I wonder what put a stop to all of the intelligent debate.
Must be time for icecream...
It's rather funny how I ended up reading this thread. I was searching for common reasons why middle and upper class families in the Philippines seem to act like they cannot live without their "katulongs" (maids) or "yayas" (nannys). And this link came up first in Google. The title was so disturbing, I just had to read the comments that came with it. :)
Personally, I find the article distasteful. But at the same time so interesting I just had to make an account!
Although it is true that there are SOME Pinays out there who are driven to think in this mentality: that foreign men are better or that living in a foreign land would be better than staying in the Philippines, I suppose their backgrounds would determine what kind of person they really are (e.g. if they grew up uneducated, poor, overly-ambitious and greedy), let us all remember that these traits exist EVERYWHERE not just in one country or race. The same holds true to Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Mexican, Peruvian, Colombian, Ethiopian and even Western women who are looking for a better life and an easy way out.
I wish someone should write an article sharing the horrific experiences of Filipino nurses and other Pinay professionals who were USED by foreign men in foreign countries because of the money they earn. I for one, know of a Filipina nurse who lost ALL of her hard earned money because her lazy, good for nothing white trash American husband stole every hard earned dollar she saved and ran off with a hooker he met in a strip club. Foreign pigs do not seem any different from uneducated, poor, money-hungry Pinays if we look at it from that perspective.
Oh and yes -- I am Filipina. And very proud to be one!!!
L?ve to ALL!!!
@LiliVrai:
So...are you defending this issue because you are filipino OR on the basis of facts and personal observation.
Those examples of the filipinas whom got wronged by Western men illustrates that they did not end up in a situation that they did not chose to be in.
Why on Earth would an attractive woman in her 20s marry a 50 year old slob who would take her money and beat her, etc? Did she love him or was she trying to exploit him?
Some of us have more choices than we realise. The problem is that people opt to make the bad choice...
The prevalence of the filipina problem is supported by a vast array of internet sources and statistics as well as published acknowledgment from overseas Embassies.
What stop the debate? I got a life and do not troll the internet every seconds like you. I been in Vietnam as a tourist and there were also whores in there. There were whores everywhere around the world. The only difference is that Filipino women were more beautiful and same goes to male. There are more good looking Filipino men than Vietnamese men.I am one of them, ha ha ha.
Lawyer? That not what I found out from one of your friends. You are just a bunch of BS, Tan. You are not even married to an Australian female.What the hell you talking about?
@Tan: I am following this thread because it interests me how some people can be so narrow-minded. Lengthy explanations from men who are clearly very educated but who, unfortunately, lack the morals to show a tinge of respect for a whole nation who might be offended by their thoughtless blabbering.
"Prevalence of filipina problems by vast array of internet sources and statistics?" Really? These are your basis of forming a world-wide opinion of a race of people?
Reading hate posts like this makes me want to say (and i shall say it) : you guys should start a little hate-group for Filipinas like Hitler did for the Jews.
I have to agree with you though -- those countless examples of foreigners who were wronged by Filipinas (or any other woman of ANY RACE for that matter) did not end up in a situation they did not choose to be in. You don't want to be called a dumb man by saying - you didnt see it coming, do you?
Time for my bedtime, Viet.
@LiluVrai : Mga sira ulo nga ang mga foreigners na humahanap ng more than half their age. They are looking for very young beautiful women given the facts that they are 60+ or some of them are even been married before and had child support and pressing their luck in getting a wife at the same time a maid that is why I cannot blame the Filipino women living them. How can they support their new wife at the same time pay for child support? I go to Philippines every year in the last 8 years and going back this April 2012 for 1 month. I always see all the Australians hanging around the place they called ‘The Strip” which is full of nightclubs and bar just outside former Clark air Base looking for love. This is totally insane then they complaint being scam? You would get scam in a nightclub or bar, Period! Just buying a drink in there, the club is making too much money on you or if you buy a woman a drink, you also double the profit that they are making from you. The problem with Australians like Tan, is that they do not expect to be scam in a nightclubs or bars. I stay away from those nightclub and hang around the comedy bar, Karaoke bar and also go to see live band show where you also get to meet classy, respectable women that drive their own cars. Tan is just bitter that he cannot get Filipino women because of his age, looks and his split personality. That is why he cannot post a picture of himself. He is still busy looking on the Internet for an Asian model to place as his picture, ha ha ha. I am 54 years old and still look good. Both my two son were also handsome. One is a computer Engineer that works on hospital servers and the youngest one is a registered nurse. I am retiring next year in Philippine at the age of 55 years old. Tan said that He lives in Australia but still look and think like a prejudice Vietnamese. The Australians should not let these asylum seekers that are prejudice. It's bad for their society
Goodnight……..
girls in Vietnam are being sold to man in Korea, Taiwan, Singapore as a wife for sale, I give them the salute because right then and there they admit that they are doing it so they can send money back to Vietnam. bottom line is that it happen just everywhere.
@tanaustralia
you are trying so hard to appear like as if you understand both sided, but all your post shows hatred towards Filipina and you are not even willing to take into consideration the ideas of others, you insist that just because its written all over the net people should believe it, man o man you are the most stupid (sorry for the word but this is just the most appropriate word to use) lawyer I have ever encounter, by saying that you believe in a certain thing just because you read them all over the net is plainly idiotic, you are a disgrace to the profession.
in order for you to have access to the papers of filipinas going to your country, you should be at least be based in the Philippines because screening and interview are mostly done here. (this is the skeleton of the process, once they applied for the visa the Australian government will do a background investigation on the man to know if all his information checks out, the Australian embassy will do the same on the Filipina with the aid of the Philippine government)what I'm saying is that if you have access to this kind of information then you must be based in here, because there is no way you could know all of those things.if there is a problem caused by a filipina in Australia he will go to the Philippine embassy in Australia, so if you have access to this information as you claim it's either you are working for the Philippine embassy in Australia or you are based in the Philippines working for the Australian government. so which is which? Well! I know none of the above.
If you are really a lawyer you have to know that pre-nup is pretty useless if the aim is citizenship. You also have to know that there is a certain span of time before a filipina can be a citizen, (I want to point this out because when someone asked you about this you did not say a thing), you should know that they are not instant citizen.
it's pretty funny when you presented yourself as a knowledgeable lawyer and yet you don't know the definition of a debate, you really think there is a debate going on in here? Lets just say there is a debate, What is the motion? Is there a clear opposition and government (lets just say the format is Asian parliamentary)the readers will be the chair and panels or what we call the adjudicator, well anyway lets just screw the technicalities lets go to the main point, the main point is that there are no facts being presented, and there are no rebuttals, there were POI's being raised and you were not able to answer them, and yet you call it a debate? Wow unexpected from a so called lawyer.
if you are a lawyer at least act like one, if you cant then at least write and talk like one. I am not a lawyer but I grew up surrounded by them. I am not disgusted by the meaning of your comment I am just disgusted by the way you present it.
you said that you are married to an australian woman and you will end up in a home for the aged when you get old, does this mean Australians don't value their families, they wont take care of their old ones. What a pity no wonder even with the bad name filipina's still makes the best wives.
and oh by the way! genuine love my ass, they did not come to the Philippines to find love, they come here to find someone who can fill their needs. They want someone they can boss around, someone they can control, and most of all someone who they expect to take care of them when they get old. It was all for the wrong reason and if that woman turns to be a total bitch and pain in the ass they complain. They don't have the right to complain because they just get what they deserve.
@daizhining:
You have no idea about the immigration system in Australia. I worked within it for 6 years and based my opinions in what I directly observed. A spouse visa can be applied for onshore and offshore.
I think that you are confusing the debate here of a cultural phenomenon with you being attacked personally because you are a filipina.
Your comment about Western men getting what they deserve when they marry filipinas is not totally correct. Whilst some Western men are prone to prey on the vulnerabilities of the filipina, a lot of these men are also looking for love. In that context, who is pulling the scam on who? Who is exploiting who?
Conversely, women (all women, not just filipinas) who marry men not because they love then but for purely economic reasons, should not complain when they find themselves in unhappy, unfulfilling and possibly abusive relationships...
I agree - not all Filipinos/Filipinas are the same. BUT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THEM ARE THE SAME - 99.9 %
The are stupid, lazy, dishonest and superficial. EVERY asspect of their lives are superficial - from going to Church to the way they cook, eat and live. Just observe closely and you'll see this in EVERY filipino.
What amazes me is, the entire WORLD knows the truth about these people, but men continue to travel across the oceans to "meet" these women. Many are fooled; many are not. Those who are fooled will defend these people. I'm sorry, but I have not met a single filipino I can honestly say I trust my wallet, car or life with. I have lived here 7 years, met hundreds of women and men. I regret being a fool myself, but I warn others don't make the same mistake. Find one you like, have some fun with her and move on. Do NOT invest any money in her or her future because you'll be unhappy you did. It is time to start turning this around - treat them like dogs but pretend you love them (just as they pretend to love you), have some fun and move on - fast. If you stay with one very long you'll lose. Trust me. Just ask around. Sure, there's a few guys happy, but not as many as there are that got ripped off, lied to, stolen from, etc.
ANd the girl's comments directly above, saying men "deserve" this - haa. She is clearly an unhappy girl who didn't get her "catch". No doubt she has pinoy bf and 4 or 5 kids from different men, some from guys she probably don't even know. Whatever.
Just remember one thing - SUPERFICIAL.
@white-boy:
Thank you for telling your story.
I have been accused of not knowing what I am talking about because I have never dated a filipina nor been to the Philippines...
I think that your perspective is poignant in that your story is one of the thousands of other similar stories out there.
The 2 vocal filipino posters in this thread feel the need to defend their culture. Their agenda is as transparent as glass...
If you are a foreign man living in the Philippines you must go to http://www.angelesdetective.com/
I think it's admirable that a person should want to defend their country/culture, but that cannot be done by excusing the actions of the bad. Better for the 'good' people of the country to speak out against them. If the good are the majority it should be easier to overcome.
Yes, it's true that many of the western men looking to the Philippines for women are rejected, for various reasons, by the women of their own country. They go for Filipinas because they read that these women will love them no matter what they're like! Does that then excuse the man should he abuse the woman? No, certainly not. An abusive man deserves to be alone, a lying, cheating woman deserves to be alone and both deserve to be shamed!
Just want to add; I do not believe all Filipinos are scammers or that all men attracted to them are rejects. I do not want to verbally attack anyone here. I have become interested in various anti-scam sites, eg; romancescammers, dragonladies, facecrooks etc, and can only attempt, in some small way to make others aware, forewarned being forearmed.
goodmorning!!! wow this hugpage is really buzzing huh? I must say - the author must be pretty pleased with the attention his derogatory article about filipina women are getting. i'm wondering if he gets some kind of monetary reward for every comment that is posted here.. questions for tanfromaus, moneycantbuymelove, whiteboy etc -- are you guys ALL AUSTRALIAN perchance? Enlighten me.
If yes, are ALL AUSTRALIAN MEN RACIST PIGS? Because I have a lot of backbacker friends from all over the world (Canadian, German, Finish, Japanese, American, Spanish etc) who's personal opinions of Aussies are, lets say, pretty negative.
I believe one gentleman made a really good point 3 months ago. Singling out a nation of women is RACIST and DISCRIMINATING, its no surprise why this blog has gotten such angry comments from a lot of people.
whiteboy - really man? you have the audacity to say that 99.9% of women/men in the philippines are bad? WOW. YOU ARE A RACIST PIG. I would understand and even not argue with a person if he says, SOME NOT ALL of the women are bad because that would be speaking the truth, but you WHITE BOY, are an IDIOT.
You are what other foreigners would call -- an ignorant, white idiot, too dumb to look into things such as anthropologic, social and cultural factors that may well affect a country and its people. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
@LiluVrai. In answer to your question re myself; no, i am neither Australian nor male.
Which of my posts appeared racist to you?
moneycantbuymelove (mcbl): Good to know you are neither male nor Australian. I reviewed the thread and found the post that says you are an English lady who is concerned about your dear friend. My apologies if I readily assumed that you were one of the highly intelligent men here who continuously attack Filipino women.
I am not a RACIST!!! a sexist maybe? I think women in general are out to take men for what they can,in any society.http://www.angelesdetective.com/
@LiluVrai, your apology is, gratefully accepted. Thank you for taking the time to scroll through the many posts here!
I really would hate to think anyone would believe me to be; anti-Filipina, anti-western male or anti-any race. I'm only anti-nasty!
MCBML: I agree with you in being anti-nasty. I just wish the author of the blog chose a better title. One that is less discriminating.
"Be Very CAREFUL When Marrying a Filipina from the Philippines" -- can you honestly say this is an article that is NOT prejudice towards an entire nation of women?
In this article, there was NO mention of other Asian countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, or China, or European countries such as Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova, that face the same problems in bride-trafficking and prostitution. This article is NOT very objective.
Without a doubt it is a form of black propaganda against a specific nation of women,in this case Filipina women.
Most readers would not even realize that their opinions are influenced by the author and posters who claim credibility based on YEARS of personal experiences or experiences of others they know or worse, things they read over the internet from equally skilled and deceptive but racist writers.
Certain people who commented in this article claim objectivity but they also relentlessly push the issue towards a certain direction -- which is - stay away from Filipina women. And that, Ma'am, is a very NASTY, discriminating generalization.
Based on years of personal experience and the horror stories I have heard about other races as a child, if I were a less objective, cruel and nasty person, I would say --
Australian men are ugly, dumb and lazy criminals.
Chinese men are rapists and slobs.
American men are wife-beaters and murderers.
British men are pedophiles.
German men rape their offspring.
Japanese and Korean men are all of the above and have small penises.
Ergo, stay AWAY from these SPECIFIC RACES OF MEN.
It sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
And that is how I find this article, poorly written and ridiculous.
@ LiluVrai: Goodmorning too and I just woke up and it's already (25 AM here in the U.S. Tan think now that he is “white-boy “.
Tan with split personality start mumbling again and start using " white-boy " and " moneycantbuymelove " to talk to him self, ha ha ha. What a loser.
@ daizhining: You do make a lot of sense. Are you a Lawyer? You said that you are surrounded by lawyers but you act one by your knowledge in immigration. I myself worked for the U.S Government (ICE) here in the U.S. If a Filipino / foreign women were to marry an American citizen, they will have to go through a lot of paper works, extensive background investigation that it is not a fixed marriage and an intensive interview. Just to file a petition, an I-129F is needed and it will ask the petitioner:
Has your fiancé met and seen you within the two-year period immediately preceding the filling of this petition?
A lot of U.S citizen, Australian citizen or others will lie on this question just to marry a Filipino woman. That is only the tip of the iceberg. The U.S embassy official will subject the Filipino/foreigner women to an intensive interview and these interviewers were not rookies. One minor question with an explainable answer can be use against you.
One question which is a simple one: Have you ever use drugs? If you answer “Yes”, there goes the denial for visa. You will start explaining that you use drugs when you are in high school and that would not work. If Filipino/foreign woman cannot trick an interviewer, how can they trick her would be spouse?
If one got inside the U.S and divorce his U.S citizen spouse, it means that the petitioner is desperate, had lied that he known this woman for 2 years+ or else, why would this petitioner miss a clue that he is being use in that 2 years + period of time being with her?
I do not know about Australian Law on Immigration. It night be marry them and bring them home without extensive paper works and interview done by rookie “Lawyer” name, Tan, ha ha ha.
My apology. moneycantbuymelove is not Tan. He/She made a lot of sense on his/her comment to be “Lawyer” Tan . Once again, I apologize at moneycantbuymelove.
If the only reason why a woman would marry a man is to get out of her country, then that would make her a whore. She is still selling herself.
@moneycantbuymelove:
If man goes to the Philippines looking for love, no, it does not give him an entitlement to mistreat women.
Conversely, a woman's poverty does not give her any entitlement to exploit these men.
@ moneycantbuymelove: You are right to the point. When you said:
Yes, it's true that many of the western men looking to the Philippines for women are rejected, for various reasons, by the women of their own country. They go for Filipinas because they read that these women will love them no matter what they're like! Does that then excuse the man should he abuse the woman? No, certainly not. An abusive man deserves to be alone, a lying, cheating woman deserves to be alone and both deserve to be shamed!
Cheating women deserves to be alone.
Tan also deserve to be alone for women of his own “country” also reject him and ended up also being rejected in Philippines by Filipino women.
white-boy also had the same experience as TanfromAustralia. Their comment by the way they wrote it is coming from the same person.
Tan is now mentally a "white-boy".
I beg to disagree TanfromAus. That is just you being narrow-minded and cruel.
In particular, the influence of evolutionary psychology, social structure and culture on the general female mate selection process remains a neglected point in this discussion.
Females, in general, not singling out a specific race, such as, Filipinas, will oftentimes seek out a mate who has resources to support their parental efforts. A woman who chooses to marry a man she loves to get out of her country to have a better shot at life, DOESN'T MAKE HER A WHORE. You just contradicted your previous statements. I thought you were one who understood that situations like this are influenced by social and cultural influences of people.
the prevailing issue of foreigners being duped by foreign women, not limited to filipinas, are isolated cases of men making poor choices with regards to the women they marry. This is not a "Filipina phenomenon," rather, a GLOBAL PROBLEM, sadly, turned into a racist debate for the entertainment of men such as yourself.
@LiluVrai:
Why should the husband support the wife's extended family? Why can't they work? If that is the filipino culture, then these women should marry within their own culture. I guess it is because a lot of filipino men don't want to work, too.
If the only reason for marrying someone is an economic entitlement, how is that not selling herself? At least real prostitutes who do it for a living, get paid and then go home and spend the money they earn on themselves. They don't have to exploit someone by pretending to love them. That is just nasty on a much deeper level.
@TanfromAustralia:As you stated:
If the only reason why a woman would marry a man is to get out of her country, then that would make her a whore. She is still selling herself.
Do you know that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? You are basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
Tan, you are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not YOU, ha ha ha.
Would you tell me who Michelle van Eimeren?
If Ogie Alcacid who is not really a very very handsome guy can have an Australian beauty queen like Michelle van Eimeren, why don’t you post your own picture too? Know why? Because you are one fat, old, ugly Asian who cannot find true loves. I pity you though, Tan. I really mean it.
Keep on looking for that name, Tan.
You just contradict your argument.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren or Ogie "Eric Ordoñez" Alcasid.
tanfromaus: Again -- consider evolutionary psychology, anthropologic, social and cultural influences.
This is not the culture in the Philippines. As I said - these are isolated cases. And if you take some time to browse through the net, you will learn that this kind of culture is not confined to just one country.This is also prevalent in other Asian countries, Africa and Middle East. There is a lengthy history regarding marriages that I do not even wish to delve upon.
I suppose you know that in the middle ages marriage was not even about love but about alliances. Noble men chose women from affluent, powerful families. You surely cannot say that those Noble men where whores for seeking out a wife that would put them in a better spot, now, would you?
@LiluVrai:
I don't think it is the mere existence of this article that is warning Western men away from filipinas, as you say.
What is truly warning them away are the accounts of people who know the system and the large volume of personal stories from the men themselves whom have been by filipinas.
Experience is the best teacher and experience lends a great deal of credibility, much more so than a person who is speaking in a vaccuum...
@LiluVrai:
I have not said that only filipinas marry for economic reasons.
What I have said is that for filipinas, it has become a widely ingrained culutural phenomenon...
@Tan: If man goes to the Australia looking for asylum, no, it does not give him an entitlement to be prejudice.
I had a question to you, Tan? Why did you left Vietnam and seek asylum in Australia? A lot of asylum seekers just want to improve their way of life. Are you consider a male whore too, given the fact that you left your own country and take advantage of everything but love there in Australia while your relatives were dying of hunger and even some turns into prostitution?
Asylum seeker reason for living his country: Life is in danger. B.S because if your life is in danger, so does the rest of your relatives that you left behind. You are also a coward.
I can you see you now. One that will save his life and will let other drowns regardless if they are his friends or relatives.
@tanfromaus: I believe that experience is not always the kindest teacher, but it is the best.
However, these are not empirical experiences, and clearly, these "tendencies" are not confined to only one nation of women (filipinas), who you are directly attacking. Therefore, intelligent men such as yourself should not be judgmental to say the least.
I should point out that, you, my friend, still push this issue towards the direction of "Filipinas are the worse women you could marry," and that it is an ingrained cultural phenomenon in my country. That is still considered a racist black propaganda in my book.
You are Australian. What you know about Filipino culture is merely based on heresay. And from what I gather - you are a lawyer? You should know that even in court, use of" heresay evidence" is generally not allowed.
@LiluVrai : TanfromAustralia just quoted:
If the only reason why a woman would marry a man is to get out of her country, then that would make her a whore. She is still selling herself.
He cannot even answer my question about that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren that went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? That Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Ausralian women for she represents Australia on the beauty pageant. TanfromAustralia contradicted his statement and basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
@LiluVrai:
Hearsay is not allowed, but direct personal evidence based upon direct observation is allowed, which is what I have.
Of course there is empirical evidence as they have been published by Western Embassies.
@LiluVrai: Tan is no Lawyer according to one of his friends that I know and befriended. Just like you said that lawyer do not base their judgment to “hearsay evidence”. Tan need to go to Philippines, which I think he already did and got scam that is why he is very angry and bitter with Filipino women. You can debate all you want, LiluVrai but TanfromAss will not change his mind because of his hatred against specific race, which is the Filipino. Just imagine, TanfromAustralia being Hitler. Who do you think he will eliminate around the world? Not Jews……..Filipinos….That’s how bitter he is because of his experiences not getting no attention from Filipino women.
Did you have a bad personal experience with a Filipina woman Tanfromaus?
Direct personal observation from another person's experience is still heresay evidence because it is not YOURS. And for the sake of debate, if say, 5 million men attested of having bad experiences from filipinas, I am sure we can find another 5 million or more positive experiences as well. and maybe 20 million other negative experiences of men from having interracial relationships with women other than filipinas.
Therefore, claiming that filipinas who seek out foreign men make bad wives and are bad women, based solely on your so-called statistics is not substantial data or reason to slander filipinas.
These Western Embassies you speak of, do they directly attack a single race such as the Filipino women too? like what most of you men in this thread do?
The point I am hoping to get across to you and everyone here is this -- do not be racist.
Get your facts straight, your numbers right. saying "based on statistics" doesn't make it a statistic. There is a history in every country that each of us do not know about, unless one of the people here is say a world-renowned expert in Anthropology, Environmental psychology, and sociology and culture.
In my personal experience, people who are better qualified to make claims in these areas are far kinder and more objective that the general populace of pedantic men. They do not slander a particular culture and they surely do not push a debate towards a certain direction to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent a nation of women.
Although I found this article and most of the comments biased, racist and ridiculous, I thoroughly enjoyed our discussion tanfromaus.
I sincerely hope that you will not allow these "experiences", personal or otherwise, to taint your personal opinion of Filipinas. We are loving, intelligent, hard-working women. Find out for yourself.
@Tan
TanfromAustralia 102 minutes ago
@moneycantbuymelove:
"If man goes to the Philippines looking for love, no, it does not give him an entitlement to mistreat women.
Conversely, a woman's poverty does not give her any entitlement to exploit these men."
my quote before yours was;
"Yes, it's true that many of the western men looking to the Philippines for women are rejected, for various reasons, by the women of their own country. They go for Filipinas because they read that these women will love them no matter what they're like! Does that then excuse the man should he abuse the woman? No, certainly not. An abusive man deserves to be alone, a lying, cheating woman deserves to be alone and both deserve to be shamed!"
Not sure why you addressed that to me.
You do seem to be saying these men are all innocent, gullible, loving fools, completely unable to see bad in anyone. Surely if you choose to marry a person from a different country it would be common sense to learn about their culture! Marriage and it's meaning should not be taken lightly! If in her culture she is expected to aid her family financially and he disagrees with this, DON'T MARRY!
It's only a scam if she lies about her intentions or what the money is for.
You have told us that your friend has a personality disorder, that he is tight and controlling. No, that does not mean he deserves to be scammed, but he should work on that problem or be alone, not make someone elses life a misery, Filipina or not!
@moneycantbuymelove: You are 100% right. Even the name you use money cant buy me love is exactly the truth anywhere in the world. But you cannot convince a racist. A racist will always be a racist like TanfromAustralia. Sad to say but it's true. Got to work. Take it easy. :)
@mcbml- i suggest you get in contact with your friend who has a 20-ish gf and ask him what his intentions are for looking or even considering a woman so young and from a different culture. I'm sorry ma'am but men who do that scare me. I keep seeing comments saying there will be no fire if there was nothing to fuel it and these men seem to think that the women who sell themselves are the fuel. It can be the other way around. If there were lesser men seeking out young girls to marry, it would not fuel relationship scams. These men should know better. Obviously most of the cases mentioned in the comments involve older men with younger uneducated women. I do not condone the women's offenses because it is wrong to scam anybody. I am simply saying it is unbelievable if men claim that hey did not know what they were getting themselves into.
Also, you might want to advise your friend to do his research, meaning, get to know the gal before marrying her. All men and women should do this - get to know the person and spend more time in courtship. Getting to know the person you marry is paramount.
I am finding this thread unnecessarily harder and sometimes confusing to read ever since somebody decided to post as the original @moneycantbuymelove and @Tan. Sometimes I don't know if it is the real @moneycantbuymelove (English lady) posting or the other person playing this joke on every body. @Tan now @TanfromAustralia - did you actually say your best friend has a personality disorder? I thought it was the joker person accusing you of having a secondary personality disorder when he first started attacking you?
@objectivelyspeaking:
Welcome back!
No, my best friend does not have a personality disorder and I never said that he did.
I find it better to ignore trolls and those who flame bait in order to hijack intelligent discussion.
Giving trolls attention only feeds them more.
The only person who has a "personality disorder" is the poster who has posted as himself as well as faking posts using other people's names and identities as well as trying to stalk people through facebook (which I do not even have).
Don't give the troll any more attention. The extent of his silliness and mental health problems has become more evident with each successive post he makes...
The troll is someone who is obsessed with defending his own filipina women and his culture, is also the same person who by his own admission is a 54 year old who travels to the Philippines to engage in sex holidays.
On those trips, who are his clients? Are they filipinas?
Given his obsession to smear and harrass me, I would say that I got under his skin more so than he under mine.
I am happy to continue to ignore...
He doesn't worry me. He is just some anonymous idiot over the internet who I can shut out quite easily...
I married a beautiful filipino girl from the southern provinces , we met on the internet she was 18 now 26 been married 6 and a half years couldnt be happier.
You can pick the fakes the gold diggers and especially stay away from bar girls and for that matter probably any from the big cities.
Get em straight out of schools and from the simpilist villages, that way old values are still in the families.
I got mine what are you fools doing .
@Mike Tummon:
I am not doing anything, which is why I'm smart.
@TanfromAustralia - thanks for the clarification. @moneycantbuymelove said "You have told us that your friend has a personality disorder, that he is tight and controlling." a few posts above. If that's the original poster of that pseudonym, not the joker who deliberately played funk to confuse people, then she is confused too, and the joker to played this trick on everybody has fulfilled his purpose. I am yet to find time to look into the forum etiquette clauses on Hubpages, but I do know that on other boards, this type of behaviour is strictly prohibited.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I highly doubt that the post you are referring was made by the real poster known as moneycantbuymelove.
The troll has got some mental health issues which need addressing, but the answers are not be be found on the internet.
I thought he was about 15 years old until he revealed that he was turning 55. What a scary, bleak thought.
He has criticised middle aged Western men going overseas to exploit his women, yet through his own admissions about himself...he seems to be criticising himself!
Why defend his own women when there is a lucrative sex tourism industry over there...and he is a customer?
Please bear in mind my earlier comments about the troll. Giving him attention only feeds and validates his actions...
tan ...ur not acting like a lawyer....i dont think so... ur just a big fat liar....ur just a racist.who hate filipina..period,thats all i can see to ur attitude...if ur a real lawyer u can give ur links..so i can check it.....
@mike:
I USED to work as an immigration lawyer.
However, I now practise family law.
Why should I reveal anymore information about myself or where I work?
I already have one obsessed internet psycho stalker from this board, it would seem...
@TanfromAustralia - I don't think this person has a mental issue, but rather did this on purpose. The internet is a virtual space that is dangerous, treacherous and slippery, which is why some have chosen to use this medium to scam, lie, deceive, play trickery, what have you. Very sad.
@objectivelyspeaking:
It is ironic that their behaviour only reinforces the "stereotypes" they are defending against.
The fact that this troll did everything on purpose suggests an underlying personality disorder which of course is a mental health issue.
It is not usual for a psychologically healthy person to go online, flame bait, harrass and cyberstalk another person because they have views which they disagree with...
@TanfromAustralia - one way or the other, this is just very unhealthy behaviour.
@objectivelyspeaking:
It is also very uncivilised even for the medium of the internet.
But I knew he was going to shoot himself in the foot sooner or later...
@TanfromAustralia - I started here expecting my first post to be my last. If I hadn't been called out, I would not have gone beyond my first post. The last few days have really taken my perception of this whole subject to new lows.
tanfromaus "The fact that this troll did everything on purpose suggests an underlying personality disorder which of course is a mental health issue."
Who is this troll you are referring to? Kindly clarify.
I am kind of confused about the "bestfriend" objectivelyspeaking mentioned.
objectivelyspeaking - you are back! Delighted!
@objectivelyspeaking:
I think the problems we witnessed on this board in the past few days has been caused by only one person. It is now obvious to everybody who it is.
Like yourself, I only come to this board to seek information about my friend's situation. I had only expected to make a few posts as well. However, I continued on because I could not accept the denials and whitewashing on here. I also shared my direct personal experience of working as an immigration lawyer for 6 years. I saw a lot during that time.
Yes, a lot of Western men who get themselves in this situation may be imperfect and insecure, but they often approach these relationships with the best of intentions and are seeking genuine love and acceptance. They do not deserved to be scammed so that someone else can climb her way of poverty.
That is why some of the comments here about men who get what they deserve is not convincing. Whether or they men should have bern smarter to know what they are walking into is beside the point. The men had inducement and enticement by these women under the guise of true love. If the men are stupid or vulnerable, it is because the women helped them get there. Who is scamming who? Who is lying to whom? Who is using who?
When I first started to work as an immigration lawyer, I did not have any negative perceptions about any group of people. The more cases I observed, I got uncomfortable, then annoyed, then disgusted and finally....outraged at what these men went through.
I left that job because to continue, I would have felt like a prostitute. I would have been selling out my values and decency as a person to stay in a job like that only for financial benefit. That I consider would be prostitution....
@TanfromAustralia - This is why I said I do not doubt for one moment the credibility of who you are. I have learned a lot on this board and others, during my online research. Much more than I had expected on this subject. I have also been decidedly objective in my research. I searched under general headings in order to get an overall view from the posts. Collectively, they all pointed back to the same. I also want to be selective in engaging others in dialogue, something I have learned from others before me. This is my first experience as a contributor to an online forum.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you acknowledging the points I am trying to make.
I consider your online research to be credible evidence as it matches my own direct personal experience as an immigration lawyer.
Being an immigration lawyer gave me direct personal access to these men and their filipina wives. The majority of my clients may have been foolish and too trusting, but they entered into these relationships fully believing that these women genuinely loved them. They thought so because women had these manifestations.
So many intelligent men have been fools in love. It is wrong for these women to play with someone's hopes, dreams and emotions and to destroy these men's lives.
Remember that the women's poverty is her own problem, not the problem of these men...
@TanfromAustralia - I have so far only posted a portion of what my online research has turned up. I have not yet shared everything. Keep up your good work and keep that fire burning. I am going to spend the next few days just objectively observing :) so will not be posting much. You take good care, stay safe and God bless.
Men only have sex with prostitutes, they don't want to marry them. Men only want to marry women who they want to make their wife.
Filipinas only have sex with the men they love, but they only "marry" clients.
What is wrong with this picture...?
tanfromaustralia: "However, I continued on because I could not accept the denials and whitewashing on here."
I don't think there was denial or whitewashing. I for one did not deny that bad filipino women exist.But to say that majority (meaning more than half of the population?)of the women accept it as an ingrained culture is unfair.
Good and bad women abound everywhere. I do not like it when you people single out Filipinas.
'Filipinas only have sex with the men they love, but they only "marry" clients.'
Adding the word "SOME" at the start of your sentence would make a world of difference.
That is what's wrong with that picture.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I have not shared everything, either. I have not shared all of the publications I have come across on this subject matter.
Depending on the quality of the responses to this thread, I might opt to be a passive observer as well...
Hope to see you back here.
@LinuVrai:
You prefer the word "some" but I prefer the word "most". Perspective is a very unique thing.
The word "most" also accurately describes the number of men who have posted about their negative experience with a filipina.
Let's not play a semantics game...
You will, @TanfromAustralia. Till then.
why will you not share the publications that you have come across? If you think there is denial or whitewashing from filipinos and other posters here, wouldn't sharing your sources be beneficial to their clearer understanding of this discussion?
Really now. Sometimes you two are confusing.
Semantics maybe, but nevertheless, an important distinction.
not to mention.. it comes across quite differently. It would make you seem less of a chauvinist/racist and more an objective, reputable former immigration lawyer.
@LinuVrai:
There are a lot of resources already on the internet.
There are so blind as those who refuse to see...
"One of the best things about RACIST PROPAGANDA is that it only needs to SEEM to make sense." - by a racist dude.
@ Tan & objectivelyspeaking
Tan 7 days ago
@rastadave:
"Exactly! My male friend has not problem. He has average looks, has an inflexible personality, is extremely controlling, is very tight with money....yet expects to date drop dead gorgeous women."
@the poster above:
Look up the definition of "personality disorder" in a psychological dictionary....
@tanfromaustralia
based on your opinion???? are you really a lawyer, lawyer don't say based on my opinion because laws cant be delivered in an opinionated way. (laws are facts) My question was that how can you have access to this kind of matter? and you said you have been working for six years and "based on your opinion" couples can apply off shore and on shore... are you really that stupid? really they can apply offshore???? really???? I never know that there are floating embassy right now.
I did not question the debate thing just because I am a filipina and have the obligation to defend them, it's just that you are a lawyer and yet you define debate in a matter that even a 15 year old average (hell after meeting you I begun to think I am really smart, because you are a lawyer and yet simple law technicalities you don't know and I know them so yeah thanks you made me really feel so smart). high school student like me know that is so wrong, I mean you claim to be a lawyer and yet none of your comments reflects that. The question is that how can a lawyer don't know those simple technicalities, I mean you are expected to know that because they are basics, as I've said I am just a 15 year old average high school student and yet I know those kind of things and you as a lawyer don't know.
basically you cant prove your claim.
my dad always tell me that I have to respect people who are older than me but when it comes to you I really don't think you deserve that respect so once again I think you are the most stupid lawyer I have ever known.
@daizhining:
I find your rambling and you totally laughable. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I don't waste my time talking to children...go back to school and learn something useful. How about actually getting an education. Now there's food for thought....
@TanfromAustralia:As you stated before, here is your comment:
If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF. ( That comment came from you, TanfromAss).
Do you know that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? You are basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
Tan, you are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not YOU, ha ha ha.
Would you tell me who Michelle van Eimeren?
If Ogie Alcacid who is not really a very very handsome guy can have an Australian beauty queen like Michelle van Eimeren, why don’t you post your own picture too? Know why? Because you are one fat, old, ugly Asian who cannot find true loves. I pity you though, Tan. I really mean it.
@TanfromAustralia:As you stated before, here is your comment:
If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF. ( That comment came from you, TanfromAss).
Do you know that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? You are basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
Tan, you are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not YOU, ha ha ha.
Would you tell me who Michelle van Eimeren?
If Ogie Alcacid who is not really a very very handsome guy can have an Australian beauty queen like Michelle van Eimeren, why don’t you post your own picture too? Know why? Because you are one fat, old, ugly Asian who cannot find true loves. I pity you though, Tan. I really mean it.
@daizhining:
Now that you have told me that you are 15 years old, I am also putting you on my ignore list.
I don't want to waste my time talking to a fool. Go back to school, little girl...
...bye now.
@TanfromAustralia: If man goes to the Australia looking for asylum, no, it does not give him an entitlement to be prejudice.
I had a question to you, Tan? Why did you left Vietnam and seek asylum in Australia? A lot of asylum seekers just want to improve their way of life. Are you consider a male whore too, given the fact that you left your own country and take advantage of everything but love there in Australia while your relatives were dying of hunger and even some turns into prostitution?
Asylum seeker reason for living his country: Life is in danger. B.S because if your life is in danger, so does the rest of your relatives that you left behind. You are also a coward.
I can you see you now. One that will save his life and will let other drowns regardless if they are his friends or relatives.
@ TanfromAustralia: You are not even a lawyer but keep on insisting that you are one. Why keep on lying? You are nothing but a fat,ignorant, ugly Vietnamese that think just because you got an asylum in Australia that you are an Australian too. Keep on dreaming that you are indeed a lawyer. i make more money that you, faggot.
Goodnight daizhining, LiluVrai , and @ moneycantbuymelove for your comments makes sense. I just shut that racist Vietcong tonight. Night all.
@daizhining: If you are smarter than TanfromAustralia and he cannot deal with the facts that he is always wrong, he gets cornered and acts like a kid and will put you on his ignore list, ha ha ha. So what? He is nothing but a fool. @daizhining: This fool TanfromAustralia is not a lawyer, trust me. I just talk to one of his friend that I befriended. He is trying hard to be somebody.Now that I know that the Viet cong just left the dabate, time for my bedtime. Goodnight all.
@tanaustralia - everything that I said are based on books (law books) and truth my sister who is a real lawyer is also laughing with all your arguments, what makes her laugh so hard is the offshore application. I guess you should say overseas but then again a person is only allowed to apply for a visa overseas if:
1) she/he is working in that country and there are no means to apply in her/his home country.
2)there are no embassy of that country in his/her home country.
3)other circumstances that is legally proven to be a valid reason
(sorry the book is too long I cant copy all, plus my time is limited to use the internet so I wont write much about that, if you are a real lawyer you will know that). - source Australian Immigration Guide -8th edition (footnote is too long lazy to type)
and once again you are the most stupid lawyer I have ever meet, sure most lawyer I know "yes that includes my 2 brother and one of my sister (all are singles), I wont include my mom and dad cause that would be impolite" says things that is practically off note from law books but they still make sense, but in your case you are off note and you don't make sense at all.
and oh! please come up with a good comment, or counter argument so spending my net allowed time in this forum will be worth it.
@tanlovesfilipinas - Nope I am not a lawyer and please do him a favor, don't make him look so stupid than he already is. please have mercy.
Having spent the last several hours reading the ENTIRE thread start to finish, I find myself too exhausted to reply! Perhaps I'll return after catching up on the sleep I lost tonight and attempt to add my comments. ;)
@tanlovesfilipinas - truth is, thinking about the fact that I actually response to his comment and think that its worth reading I feel so stupid because in the very first place how can I debate with someone who don't know what debate is. How can I debate with someone who don't know what is the difference of overseas and offshore. (not unless there are floating embassy).
Sure someone can get married anywhere like the ship or plane, but there is no such thing as visa application offshore.
well I know that there is a floating market in Vietnam but haven't heard of floating embassy yet. Have you? cause you know maybe there is just that I don't know.
territorial speaking a plane/ship/any transportation that can go offshore that is owned by the government of a certain state will be considered a Territory of that state, example a British Navy ship in "which by law the captain can conduct ceremonial marriage" in the US soil is still considered a British soil, but that is beyond the point, as a member of the US army you know better than I do about what is inside the arm forces bi lateral agreement or treaty of both country, so really not my ground to talk about it, my point is sure by law there are paper works being done and its legally allowed but I am sure and I can bet my life on it that Visa application is not one of them. (not really me betting my life hahaha but my sister said "I can bet my license that there is no such thing as offshore visa application")
maybe it must be my arrogance (which I admit I am really arrogant) to say I am smarter than he is but that's what I feel when he said as a lawyer my opinion is, so I was really really surprise because he claim to be an expert of something he know nothing about.
I also feel so frustrated that not a single thing that I presented (even before he know that I was 15) was given a counter argument.
about the picture yeah I wonder how does he really look like that despite that he is registered he doesn't show his face. as for me the picture here is the real me.
anyway lawyer or not, based on his age I still think I am smarter. at least in this thread. I don't really care if he puts me on his ignore list so what, nothing will change I will still be the smart ass gorgeous bitch.
@Tanfromaus
From wikipedia
"These behavioral patterns in personality disorders are typically associated with substantial disturbances in some behavioral tendencies of an individual, usually involving several areas of the personality, and are nearly always associated with considerable personal and social disruption. Additionally, personality disorders are inflexible and pervasive across many situations, due in large part to the fact that such behavior may be ego-syntonic (i.e. the patterns are consistent with the ego integrity of the individual) and are, therefore, perceived to be appropriate by that individual"
Your post to Rasta Dave;
"Exactly! My male friend has not problem. He has average looks, has an inflexible personality, is extremely controlling, is very tight with money....yet expects to date drop dead gorgeous women."
I am happy to swap you told us your friend has a personality disorder, for he has an inflexible personality. However wikipedias definition mentions personality disorders are inflexibe.
One thing is clear from reading these posts.
If there ARE opportunistic Filipinas out there, they are equally numbered by lunatics on the other side.
Some are good. Some are bad. If you doubt, don't do the deed. If you find yourself in a deteriorating situation, examine it, set a timetable for it to get better. If it doesn't get out.
A binding pre-nup seems to be the way to go, if you have doubts, though if you think you need a pre-nup seems to me that would be a deal killer in itself.
wow hahaha, I have not finished reading the whole comments because when I think I am about to finish there are new more comments.
I am a registered nurse who use to work in UEA for 10 years, I cant deny the fact that there are few fellow filipinas who do those kind of stupid things like sleeping with man (not just Arab man, most of the time fellow Filipino as well, truth is that most of them sleep with fellow foreigners too)for extra money to send home. I can't blame them because most of them are really working to at least feed 12 mouth, sending younger siblings to school, parents being sick and etc. I am not saying that it's the right thing to do but all I'm saying is that moral values are often time forgotten because there are more important things to address than that.
I am proud to say that I am one of those filipinas who are not interested to western man. It's actually insulting to read that jennycai imply that our culture about marriage to western man are BS. I belong to the same tribe as she is but for her the culture is not good (no wonder she was even proud to say that she dated a westerner which is so disgusting) but for me it's the best cultural practice, it keeps us away from the stereotype view of the western man.
How sad that many foreigners thought this impression with almost all filipinas. That is very sad to know. But i get the point of Mr. Adam, its absolutely part of the history before too.. Philippine changed a lot. After reading these comments here, me as a filipina, i would like to say that we are not all the same. Still i am very proud i am a Filipina. It depends on the environment, personality of a person, and its depend to the parents how they raise their children, and of course depends on the education they have..
I also believe that looking love through internet is just a good luck to find a person you would like to have.
And lastly on my own opinion, you dont look for love, its the one whos coming to you on the right time on the right place..Then its real LOVE!:-)
Take note, sometimes the more you look for love the more you cant find..so better live life the fullest as who u are and just be honest and be a good person..and don't look only physically, sometimes its very deceiving! Thats why you can't see what is inside because some people are always very attractive with the physical appearance..
All the best from Philipines..:-)
Lol for most people who think the person who wrote this is generalizing, he or she is not. They even specified with the word 'most'. Thanks. And I do agree with them in some sense, however it also happens with most of the other type of ethnic groups.
Anynymous 3 hours ago
"Lol for most people who think the person who wrote this is generalizing, he or she is not. They even specified with the word 'most'.Thanks. And I do agree with them in some sense, however it also happens with most of the other type of ethnic groups"
** This article was tacky and offensive because it singles out Filipina women. You actually have the subtlety to include in your comment, "...however it also happens with most of the other type of ethnic group" The author of this article, however, did not.
** Add the display of arrogance, pedantry and relentless negative and lengthy comments of objectivelyspeaking (Chinese dude) towards the Filipinas and the Philippines, itself - then you attract a throng of angry, offended people.
Yes, this is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to their own opinions -- even RACIST opinions.
However morally disgusting some of the comments are, it makes for an engaging and oftentimes hilarious read!
@daizhining: Sorry if I replied just now for I just wake up coming off my night shift. I work for the U.S government as a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). I am a Gulf war veteran and now had 23 years in Government Service. I served in the military for 14 years and at present, been working for the U.S Government for nine years. I did a military buy back time so I am credited with 23 years of service. I had a general of knowledge how immigration works here in the U.S. Overseas means abroad, out of the country or in a foreign country.
Immigration in Australia is kind of confusing because of the wording they use.
Australia offshore visa application is just how they described overseas visa application. It is just like an Australian traveler asking me how he can get to the second floor. I told him to take the elevator and he still does not understand because they call it a “Lift”. The Airline connection bus, they call it “Shuttle” (as in Space shuttle) instead of the word “Bus” which is means of transportation.
It is kind of silly the wording being use in Australia. If one foreigner was inform by the Australian embassy that he/she need to wait till his/her offshore visa is approve before you can enter the country, it sounds confusing because if you do not know about their immigration law, you will think that you got to wait offshore till your visa get approved.
One example: Offshore oil drilling in the U.S means that it’s drilling through the seabed off the shoreline or in the ocean while being reinforce by an offshore oil platform in the country’s territorial water. I do know how they called offshore oil drilling in Australia. I can understand the way the British talk but the way the Australians talks is difficult to understand.
TanfromAustralia knows that there is an offshore visa application because he lives there and probably applied one for his Filipino fiancé and got scam that is why he is so bitter and racist to all Filipinos. He is not a lawyer like I mention before. I know that for sure because when he registered, I can get to his contacts and befriended one of his friends. I can acquire somebody Internet Protocol address (IP address) that is why I know that TanfromAustralia is from Australia indeed and he is not lying about that. But he is lying that he is a lawyer.
The problem with TanfromAustralia is that if he knows that he had a point, he will not debate you. One example: Here is one of his comments:
If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF.
My debate on that: DO YOU KNOW THAT AUSTRALIAN BEAUTY QUEEN, MICHELLE VAN EIMEREN WENT BACK TO PHILIPPINES AND GOT MARRIED TO A FILIPINO SINGER/WRITER, OGIE ALCACID? YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT AUSTRALIANS WERE WHORES TOO.Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
How about Dayanara Torres Delgado, a Puerto Rican actress, singer, model, and former Miss Universe that went back to Philippines and had a four-year relationship with Filipino actor Aga Muhlach before went back to Puerto Rico and married the famous singer Marc Anthony on May 9, 2000 in Las Vegas. Does she fall under the word “whores” too in TanfromAustralia vocabulary?
Another good debate that he would not answer:
@TanfromAustralia: Why did you left Vietnam and seek asylum in Australia? A lot of asylum seekers just want to improve their way of life. Are you consider a male whore too, given the fact that you left your own country and take advantage of everything but love there in Australia while your relatives were dying of hunger and even some turns into prostitution? Asylum seeker reason for living his country: Life is in danger. B.S because if your life is in danger, so does the rest of your relatives that you left behind. You are also a coward.I can you see you now. One that will save his life and will let other drowns regardless if they are his friends or relatives.
TanfromAustralia, is are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not HIM.
Note: What I hate the most are racist, prejudice individual that is why I’m proud that the U.S got involved during WWII and eliminated the Nazi.
@ daizhining: If TanfromAustralia is Hitler, who do you think he will eliminate around the world? Not Jews……Filipinos. That is how selfish he is because he was scam or rejected by Filipino women. You could feel the bitterness on all his comments against Filipinos.
@Tim Singleton
6 hours ago
"One thing is clear from reading these posts.
If there ARE opportunistic Filipinas out there, they are equally numbered by lunatics on the other side.
Some are good. Some are bad. If you doubt, don't do the deed. If you find yourself in a deteriorating situation, examine it, set a timetable for it to get better. If it doesn't get out.
A binding pre-nup seems to be the way to go, if you have doubts, though if you think you need a pre-nup seems to me that would be a deal killer in itself."
Thank you for this very objective observation.
A prenup is the ONLY way to go when marrying a filipina.
@daizhining: Sorry if I replied just now for I just wake up coming off my night shift. I work for the U.S government as a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). I am a Gulf war veteran and now had 23 years in Government Service. I served in the military for 14 years and at present, been working for the U.S Government for nine years. I did a military buy back time so I am credited with 23 years of service. I had a general of knowledge how immigration works here in the U.S. Overseas means abroad, out of the country or in a foreign country.
Immigration in Australia is kind of confusing because of the wording they use.
Australia offshore visa application is just how they described overseas visa application. It is just like an Australian traveler asking me how he can get to the second floor. I told him to take the elevator and he still does not understand because they call it a “Lift”. The Airline connection bus, they call it “Shuttle” (as in Space shuttle) instead of the word “Bus” which is means of transportation.
It is kind of silly the wording being use in Australia. If one foreigner was inform by the Australian embassy that he/she need to wait till his/her offshore visa is approve before you can enter the country, it sounds confusing because if you do not know about their immigration law, you will think that you got to wait offshore till your visa get approved.
One example: Offshore oil drilling in the U.S means that it’s drilling through the seabed off the shoreline or in the ocean while being reinforce by an offshore oil platform in the country’s territorial water. I do know how they called offshore oil drilling in Australia. I can understand the way the British talk but the way the Australians talks is difficult to understand.
TanfromAustralia knows that there is an offshore visa application because he lives there and probably applied one for his Filipino fiancé and got scam that is why he is so bitter and racist to all Filipinos. He is not a lawyer like I mention before. I know that for sure because when he registered, I can get to his contacts and befriended one of his friends. I can acquire somebody Internet Protocol address (IP address) that is why I know that TanfromAustralia is from Australia indeed and he is not lying about that. But he is lying that he is a lawyer.
The problem with TanfromAustralia is that if he knows that you had a valid point, he will not debate you and place you on his ignore list. One example: Here is one of his comments:
If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF.
My debate on that: DO YOU KNOW THAT AUSTRALIAN BEAUTY QUEEN, MICHELLE VAN EIMEREN WENT BACK TO PHILIPPINES AND GOT MARRIED TO A FILIPINO SINGER/WRITER, OGIE ALCACID? YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING THAT AUSTRALIANS WERE WHORES TOO.Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
How about Dayanara Torres Delgado, a Puerto Rican actress, singer, model, and former Miss Universe that went back to Philippines and had a four-year relationship with Filipino actor Aga Muhlach before went back to Puerto Rico and married the famous singer Marc Anthony on May 9, 2000 in Las Vegas. Does she fall under the word “whores” too in TanfromAustralia vocabulary?
Another good debate that he would not answer:
@TanfromAustralia: Why did you left Vietnam and seek asylum in Australia? A lot of asylum seekers just want to improve their way of life. Are you consider a male whore too, given the fact that you left your own country and took advantage of everything but love there in Australia while your relatives were dying of hunger and even some turns into prostitution? Asylum seeker reason for living his country: Life is in danger. B.S because if your life is in danger, so does the rest of your relatives that you left behind. You are also a coward.I can you see you now. One that will save his life and will let other drowns regardless if they are his friends or relatives.
TanfromAustralia, is one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not HIM.
Note: What I hate the most are racist, prejudice individual that is why I’m proud that the U.S got involved during WWII and eliminated the Nazi.
@ daizhining: If TanfromAustralia is Hitler, who do you think he will eliminate around the world? Not Jews……Filipinos. That is how selfish he is because he was scam or rejected by Filipino women. You could feel the bitterness on all his comments against Filipinos.
@tanfromaustralia
Are you Australian or Vietnamese? I get confused.
@ TanfromAusrtralia: A prenup is the ONLY way to go when marrying a filipina? That is a new one. The one that scam you do not need your money, your fat, your old and ugly ass. All they need is to be a permanent residence of Australia like when you file for asylum to get out of Vietnam.
@LinuVrai:
An Australian citizen of Vietnamese descent...
@tanfromaustralia
I ask because anonymous online commenting erodes the quality of public discourse.
I'm an American citizen, born, raised and educated in one of the smaller cities of the Philippines.
Thank you for showing a level of civility and respect in your responses to my comments even when we vehemently disagree. It is graciously admired.
Anyway guys,marriage was designed for women and to screw men.I say never get married!!! I learned my lesson .S.I.N.G.L.E(stay intoxicated nighty,Get Laid Everyday!!!)
@daizhining: TranfromAustralia was talking about these black propaganda that was distributed to the Australian embassy about Filipino women scamming their citizen is whitewash and it’s not true. There is no way U.S, Australian or a foreign embassy will disrespect the host country. Before that will ever happen, it will first go through diplomatic channel from both side of the governments and will come out with the best solution and action to take care of this grievance and it would not even made it to the general public.
The only truth that will come out of the embassy is the travel restriction to different part area of the country being visited by its citizen for their protection. The embassy does not care whether its citizen fall in love with somebody in another country as long as when you fill that petition, which is the I-129F, everything should be true to the best of their knowledge or else you will be fine and will also face imprisonment for false disclosure.
@rastadave:.S.I.N.G.L.E(stay intoxicated nighty,Get Laid Everyday!!!) Amen to that.
@LinuVrai:
We are both Westerners who have come from poor Asian descent. I get it.
Where we disagree is the extent of the problem, how prevalent it is.
All you have to do is do a google search on this subject matter and read about it to realise the discontentment and cultural problem that it is.
Just because you do not directly identify with this subject matter does not negate the existence of this problem...
The Australian Government, when assessing spouse visa applications, has adopted criteria which identify "high risk" characteristics of applicants, such as being of young age, of female gender...and being of a high risk country (of which there is a list)...
Russia is identified as the most high risk country, whilst the Philippines is the second.
There is no smoke where there is no fire.
@tanfromAus:
There is no denying the existence or the prevalence of the problem, only the existence of racial prejudice and stereotyping from both article and comments.
@LinuVrai:
I am not stereotyping. I am pointing out to the problem...
Of course you are going to deny stereotyping and racial prejudice to avert being branded a RACIST. You are, afterall, a lawyer. Not that it has anything to do with my point because racist lawyers do exist. But do examine your past statements:
"A prenup is the ONLY way to go when marrying a filipina."
"Filipinas only have sex with the men they love, but they only "marry" clients"
These statements are very biased and offensive because the idea you persuasively convey is very GENERAL. And It will not be surprising if a lot of people will have very angry reactions.
I do not find your comments as blatant or explicit as those of objectivelyspeaking's or downright moronic as most of the other "victims" on here. You are borderline subtle. But Sir, such linguistic tricks do not go unnoticed. Hints of racism can be seen in between quotation marks.
TanfromAustralia 2 hours ago
"We are both Westerners who have come from poor Asian descent. I get it."
I may be living in New York but I am not one of those who call themselves "Westerner" just because I live among Westerners. I am Asian, very Filipino and proud of my heritage. As should you.
So no. I don't think you get it.
lawyer lawyer.damn ass lawyer..low profile lawyer i guess......you make me laughed..why ??? im sick and tired of youre post....go have a life man..
@mike:
I am a lawyer who does not want you to know where I work.
It is obvious why you want to know.
It is not as though you need my services.
Economics....where's a demand, hell, someone sure will supply.
@mike@: I totally agree with you. Lawyer are sharks but this racist is not even a lawyer and just pretending as one.
Note: He is saying that he is really wealthy but not as wealthy as Bill Gates. I cannot even believe this idiot is a lawyer and now comparing his wealth close to Bill Gates? Asylum seekers and not genuine refugees.
I would not place my professionalism to your level by saying that all Vietnamese women were whores because I do not want to offend your mother and therefore I am refraining myself to say it. Just got home and goodnight.
tanlovefilipina,,,,thanks for that...god bless you and god hate those racist like tanfromaus...he should stop posting now, hes a jerk...let me guess?i think, hes not working either.....thahahaha...he just want to debate here..look ,he is always in here..pathetic..lawyer...hes not acting like one..on his behaviour...
i do agree to all of the haters of tanfromaus..all of his post are fighting words...im really sorry if some of filipina are not trusty,but dont say as a whole ...there are some,,but not all filipinas....im from australia,and im really sad that one of my fellow man has like tanfromaus...like what he said he is a lawyer,he should behave like a lawyer...god bless you tanfromaus..
It is obvious that the 2 posts above are written by the same person although purporting to be from 2 different people.
The identical grammar and syntax are a dead giveaway.
The defence strategy is getting quite contrived and desperate because the truth hits too close to home.
Nobody is fooling anybody...
Many comments here and if you look most are negative. there is good reason. poverty drives people and they give up ethics in favor of money. Not good. Sad but true.
If you fall in love and intend marrying a Filipina and you bring her to your country you are an idiot if she is young and I mean under 35. They can't be trusted because you can't trust your own country's laws or ethics on extra-marital affairs. Western society sees marriage as a joke. You only get married to get divorced etc. All women know as soon as you have kids they can screw you into the ground so don't f&^k your lives up fellas. Been there done that. Happens a lot in every country but more so with places like the Philippines which is full of whores. Best to stay there with them till they reach about 30 but to be safe 35. These are words of wisdom which can save you agony and financial ruin. You have no friends in the west when it comes to a slutty woman whom decides to take your kids, home and money for the first guy she meets at her place of work. (A very typical scenario.) And no matter how much you contribute to her education and her family support etc you will be tagged as aggressive and an unnatural parent by way of gender. That's fact and that's life in the west.
I have to say that I have had the most horrendous experiences w/ Filipinas in the USA who are married to affluent, white,American men. The duplicity and blatant dishonesty to achieve their means, their personal greed & attempts to control are stunning to me. I don't think these American men know what they are signing on to, once they are married, well, good luck. I would suggest marriage to an American woman who will be a life partner and not cunning & scheming domestic servant who pretends to be in love. I think they are greedy and worship the God of Gold & American $s. I do not see them as sisters, indeed they seem to undermine other women, NOT the modern American way. The "bad apples" ruin the reputations of the good Filipinas. If they want to be truly American, then they must have friendships w/ American women and integrate into US culture start by respecting other women, raise their daughters in the American way, not in a 3rd world way. American men are complete fools to believe in this bogus love....if they need companionship try a local US escort service, less complicated and less expensive in the long run.
Regardless of age, if the woman you choose to marry has little to no education and of bad character, chances are, you are still going to get screwed over. The first bad sign is when you picked her up from the red light district or anywhere for that matter. Men ought to be wiser when choosing a wife.
@Deano.
I don't understand. If they are so dishonest and slutty, why would any man want to spend any time, anywhere with them?
I've also read, more than once, that if a man brings his Filipina wife to his country, he should not allow her to drive a car, mix with other Filipinos or work in places not chosen by him! That's not a marriage! No surprise men like that have relationship problems, they're control freaks at best.
@LiluVrai, apologies for delay in my reply to you. The friend i posted about is not a close friend. I was told of his situation by a member of his family in confidence. Therefore it would be inappropriate for me to discuss the matter with him. Yes, i agree it is scarey and madness that a man of that age should be looking for such a young wife. Not because she is Filipina, but because they do not know each other. She will be leaving all she knows and taking a huge risk!
agree on the article written above however is not at all filipina is like as mentioned in the article. i am filipina from mindanao i met an american guy 1 year ago when i were in Manila, he went back to USA we continue our relationship thru online, i could say i am totally in love with unconditionally, he was 45 y.o and i am 23.i am poor woman but not poor as people who lives on the street. we plan to have a baby by lately this year, currently he is in USA and i am in UAE working as sales lady. he shared to me everything he plan for our future, he is not a reach white people i know that but i love him so much. he said he might wanna get me to USA so we can start a family but i am not totally happy with that plan however if that what it take to be together i will be ok. he also prefer to live in philippines, as he love the weather in philippines but its a matter of time and lack of money. his working so hard in USA to save money for the future cuz he want to start a business in philippines so we can live there. for me i don't care if he bring me in USA or not i actually prefer to live in philippines with him. i am totally committed to him no matter how many years our gap is also he is not handsome but for me he is the most handsome man. i fell in love to hims because of the good personality i've seen to him and the kindness. anyway he is the first white guy i ever have and hopefully last. i am sharing this to let know that not all filipina is opportunistic...just find a right woman guys good luck. i love u Jeff. Raisa
@LinuVrai:
I think you are still missing the point of this article...as well as the point that objectivelyspeaking and I have made.
We are talking about the filipinas who are wolves in sheep's clothing, not necessarily about the bar girls or straight out prostitutes.
This article is about Western men whom want to MARRY a filipina, not necessarily aimed at the men whom are on a sex holiday.
The gripe that a lot of these men have (and backed by a large number of personal stories) is that these women scammed them by projecting a wholesome image, by coming from a good village, by coming from a traditional family, by pretending that they don't care about money, by lying about being married before, etc...
Most men are not intent to look for wives in the red light district. That is where they find prostitutes.
You don't seem to be able to grasp that it is not the blatant prostitutes that tend to scam these men, but the ordinary filipinas in the wider general population whom are much more adept at doing so...
@SGDesign: I totally agree with you that the "bad apples" were the one that ruin the reputation of the good Filipinas. But some idiot here pertain that 99.9% of Filipino women were whores are just either racist, mentally disturbed because of their experiences with these “bad apples”.
I said about more than 50% of these males complaining that they been scam by the these “bad apples” marry young attractive Filipino women that are on the age range of 19-27 given the facts that these same males are either divorce and paying child support or in their age of 50+ and still looking for true love.
TanfromAustralia said that he just want to warn his boyfriend into marrying one of the 99.9% of whores but would not listen to his advise. To all Australian out here in this forum: You should all be ashamed for letting an Asylum seeker like TanfromAustralia who is a racist to specific ethnic group inside your country.
TanfromAustralia is merely protecting his boyfriend while I, myself had a younger brother that is 44 years old that had three children ranging from age 10 to 13, filed for a divorce just last year after he said that he “fell in love” with this 23 years old Filipino woman. I cannot talk my younger brother out of this insanity and TanfromAustralia is also doing the same to his boyfriend. Both fell in deaf ears and that Filipino woman is not I am blaming for the divorce. I am blaming my younger brother who later disowns his entire family here despite all our advices. He even came out as far as “He does not had any family here in the U.S anymore and that his real family is in the Philippines” after being bombarded with advices.
When affidavit of support was denied because he had to pay child support which he doesn’t pay, all of a sudden he start calling for help for the affidavit of support and one of my sister helped him is beyond my belief. Our relationship between our relative were ruin because of one act, which is my brother decision to abandon his family. I do not blame that Filipina woman for I was there in Philippines with my brother when my brother took her out in a fine restaurant and start telling her how bad he is being treated by his wife and does not even cook and care about his children. That is his first time going to Philippines after 34 years and told me, my brother living in the Philippines, that he is in love with a woman that work in a night club just two days after arrival. Two days!
To me, that is total insanity. I do give a shit about my younger brother anymore for he is too old to make a decision but I already know what would be the outcome. His fiancé will be arriving soon without even knowing her who she really was. For him, it might be a trophy wife because she is young.
Lesson here: Think using good judgment through your head and not what is inside your pants. Who is to blame here? Is it my brother or the Filipino woman?
I said: MY YOUNGER BROTHER. HE IS AN IDIOT.
A whore is a whore, no matter how nicely she wraps herself up. An apple is still an apple even if you dip it in candy...
Mcbl: in addition, in the US there are different forms of abuse not confined to the obvious physical abuse. Forcing your wife to live in isolation is a form of domestic abuse/violence. I think these men need to learn How to be realistic. You cannot "pick up" a woman half your age just anywhere and expect to get a decent wife.
He should not expect to get a decent wife of any age, from anywhere, if he is not a decent man.
I agree. These men should get much smarter. If they can't find an attractive young woman willing to date them in their own country, they should lower their expectations and stay home. They should not go to another country and personally take on the cultural and social problems there...
He is speaking from direct personal experience, which although not objective, is not as hollow when compared to someone who is speaking from within a vaccuum...
However, it would appear that a lot of "decent" men get scammed by filipinas as well, as this article suggests.
Being "decent" is no preclusion; rather, it tends to act as an enticement for scammers.
They seize on vulnerability like flies swarm to rubbish.
I certainly don't feel all the men are to blame! Anymore than i believe all the women are to blame. As i've said from the beginning; good and bad from both sides of this story. Tis the bad we should all be against.
@moneycantbuymelove..."He should not expect to get a decent wife of any age, from anywhere, if he is not a decent man."
I totally agree with you. And it goes both ways too...
@moneycantbuymelove:
Come back down to Earth from Planet Nonsense!
It is very obvious who is scamming who. No amount of denial and whitewashing will change the reality...
@TanfromAustralia,
Yet again, i appear to have irked you. I can assure you, this is not my intent and i certainly don't intend to enter into name calling! It seems that anyone who does not agree wholely with you is a fool. I am as entitled to my opinion as yourself.
@moneycantbuymelove:
At least give comments which make sense.
Western men are NOT the problem and you know it.
Call a spade a spade....
@TanfromAustralia,
I guess, on my planet, not ALL western men are saints. Though, fortunately, i do know, many, very good ones.
Goodnight to all
No, your "planet" is one which everyone wears rose-colored glasses about the extent and prevalence of this problem...
To make a statement that Western men are NOT the problem is downright absurd. The claims have now evolved from racist to sexist.
@LinuVrai:
Let me ask you this question: who is more desperate to marry who?
Very few men are knowingly wanting to walk into a situation if their own destruction or demise...
Your premise does not make sense to me. So Im going to answer you when you start making sense again.
moneycantmelove- True it's always best not to marry a slut but sometimes you don't know or won't know till years into the relationship. As others have said, it's amazing how deceiving some people are and how they can harbor their true intentions till the time is right, ie; The green card or citizenship.
I haven't worked out if prostitution gives marriage a bad name or the reverse but I can surely see the benefit of spending time with a slutty woman now. The only thing I insist on is honesty. Something you are not guaranteed in a marriage. Prostitution is indeed a more honest profession in my minds eye.
As for guys locking up and controlling their wives etc as you have stated, I'm sure that goes on somewhat but in most cases of divorce those things are stated just to slant the judge in their favor and don't even have to be proven. I for one didn't do this with my ex from Burma but it didn't stop her from becoming the bike at her place of employment as soon as citizenship came through.
It's not all one way. modern western women will be in the ear of even good women as soon as they enter western society as that is what they are taught is right. They have sexual freedoms they can't believe and family values are often less important than back home in the third world. Main reason family values are often more important are that men are still seen as being useful there as they often support if they can do.
It's pretty easy to work out in the west at least, any woman is generally better of financially if she has kids, to screw her husband and get rid of him. That's just what our laws and society in general promote. A sad fact of life. Sure, not everyone goes that way but the lager percentages do and social acceptance of this is fact too. Sadly kids are the ones hurting and end up hurting sometimes for life. They are used by the corrupt courts and parents whom place greed over and above everything else.
When "UltraMagnus" first posted this hub over 2 years ago, I seriously doubt he had any idea this subject would progress as far as it has. Over a long period of time this subject has taken on a life of it's own because so many have an interest or involvement in simular situations, both positive and negative. Some come here seeking information, others are here to voice an opinion, whatever the reason, this subject generates great interest and passion across a broad spectrum. The same can be said about those who are interested in a relationship with a Filipina, I myself am engaged to a very fine Filipina and came here seeking information related to Fi-American marriages. A very large number of men such as myself from all over the world are also interested in Filipina's for a multitude of reasons, but primarily because they find the particular qualities and beauty of Filipina's so attractive.
In many, many ways, a Filipina does indeed make a "perfect wife" simply because of who she is as a Filipina. Tradition and upbringing play a large roll in that but, there is no denying that Filipina's are world reknown for their unique qualities as women. At this point I must remind the readers here that any reputation whether it be positive or negative, always has a foundation based in truth. There is always a true reason and cause for any given reputation. In this case, we are discussing both the positive and negative related to Filipina's and I believe far too much emphasis has been placed on the negative. When you take into consideration the population of over 8 million people in the Philippines and correlate it to the relatively very small number of "scammers" at the heart of this discussion, I think you'll find that the percentage is no greater in the Philippines than can be found anywhere else in the world. Much has been said here about the "bad" reputation of Filipina's which is undoubtedly also justified to a certain extent, but when you are talking about the "undesirables" and scammers of the world, it is simply stupid and absurd to imply or assert that this is a uniquely Filipina problem or furthermore, that it is any more pervasive in the Philippines than anywhere else in the world. If anything, I think more attention has been focused on Filipina's simply because the Philippines is somewhat more technologically advanced than many other less developed countries and therefore are more "visible" via the internet. Add to that the fact that a very small segment of the population in the Philippines has chosen to abuse that technology (the internet) and you can begin to understand why the "problem" seems to be more magnified in the Philippines. (This very forum is a good example) Another contributing factor may be that the Philippines is a very Westernized country and therefore is a much easier location for a disproportional number of English speaking men to approach. In addition, there is a longstanding history of legal migration from the Philippines to the United States and other 1st world countries worldwide which means a larger number of people are aware of what may be available in the Philippines relationship wise. One must ask themself, why indeed are so many seeking relationships with Filipina's if the emphasis of this discussion is as pervasive as is claimed in this forum?
But make no mistake about it, this exact same type of scam and exploitation can be found literally anywhere on the planet. Every country, every population, has it's own unsavory segment of the population which preys upon the vulnerable and exploits unsuspecting victims. And the internet has become the chosen method of operation for scammers of all types worldwide. Equally so, millions of people worldwide now utilize the internet daily for all sorts of reasons. From purchasing goods to seeking relationships, the internet is a very common means of communication. Is it any surprise that the scammers worldwide have chosen to exploit that fact? Whatever the "product" may be, Viagra, medicines, lottery tickets, poor starving kids in Nigeria etc..etc.. the typical scammer always targets those whom are most likely to respond......The Stupid! Personally, I have zero pity for anyone who would willingly divulge their bank account info to an anonymous email or believe they can click a mouse and obtain something as important and critical as a marriage. And need I remind anyone, there is no shortage of stupidity in this world. To quote P.T. Barnum; "there's a sucker born every minute". There will forever be a scammer ready to victimize every sucker out there, get used to it.
Now, I shall address a few things specifically. First, I notice two primary types of commenter's here; Those who have an axe to grind, and those who are rightfully trying to defend the obvious one-sided and unfounded slander against an entire Nation of females. People like "objectivelyspeaking" (even her name is a ridiculous falsity considering she always comments SUBjectively) who claims to be so involved in this discussion simply because "a friend" has been allegedly wronged in the past by some anonymous Filipina. Her type of vitriol and hatred is sadly as common as it is sickening. I very seriously doubt that she came here and monopolized the thread simply because of a single case of alleged wrongdoing. More likely she came here because she fully intended to slander and blame as many as she could because she herself feels "victimized" by a Filipina. I notice she mentions having children but never once mentions a husband. Is it possible he dumped her obviously malicious, vindictive and hateful ass in favor of a much more desirable Filipina? Hmmm...I wonder. One must ask themself, "would I bother to go to all the effort of accusing and blaming an entire Nation of females in a public forum day after day simply because some "friend" had a single "bad" experience"? Would you? I think not. From her very lengthy and venomous comments I'd say she does in fact "have an axe to grind". Go figure.
Or take for example "tanfromaustralia" who came here claiming exactly like "objectivelyspeaking" did to have a "friend" whom has somehow been "victimized" by yet another anonymous Filipina. Again, I very seriously doubt his true intentions and furthermore I somehow sense a rather "un-natural" attraction to his alleged "friend". A good friend is a treasure indeed for anyone but, a true friend would never intrude into the most personal aspect of anothers life, especially not in a public forum like this. Is it possible that he too "has an axe to grind"? Hmm....I wonder.
Then you have the 3rd type of commenter, the typical pathetic "sad-sack", "woe always me" type that comes here to whine and complain about how badly he's been wronged by a Filipina. Guys like that (I refuse to address them as Men) fall into the afore mentioned category of "stupid". They go online and/or to the well known and obvious lowest places on earth (ie..whorehouses and bar districts) (in a 3rd world country no less) in search of a WIFE??? Give me a break!!! These are the same types that cause such hatred among many decent Filipina's because they represent the most pathetic and perverse type of "man" on earth. They give all Westerners a bad name! They end up in places like that because no decent woman in their own country would even consider them for dating much less marriage. Spineless, pathetic, immature and completely out of touch with reality, they are the most desperate and despicable of all in my opinion, then they have the audacity to come to a public forum like this and complain and blame others for their own inadequacies??? Disgusting! Again, I have zero pity for such fools.
While I agree that there are no doubt some "legitimate victims" out there, and I can sympathize with those few, the vast majority of these whiners have been complaining and blaming others all of their pathetic, miserable lives and they always will no matter who they become involved with. Is anyone really surprised that there will always be a parade of scammers out there (everywhere not just in the Philippines) just waiting to pounce on the fools of the wor
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pounce on the fools of the world? I say they were made for each other.
The worst part of the ridiculous and false comments made on a public forum like this, is that they will wrongly influence and dissuade many who came here simply seeking relative information to their own potential relationships. My comments are designed to defeat that type of disgusting vitriol and allow others to recognize that a vast majority of those whom have relationships with Filipina's are immensely happy and perfectly satisfied in so many ways, myself included. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I have found the greatest gift of all, True Love. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I am a better man. May everyone experience the same in their own lives.
I'm sure my comments will garner much response both positive and negative, I'll probably not bother to respond afterwards as I have already expressed my opinions and have no need to "defend" myself against the inevitable attacks from those who spend their entire lives accusing and blaming others. My purpose has already been achieved by making sure that future visitors here have at least an opportunity to hear the truth related to this important issue. There are good and bad people all over this world, as in all things, choose wisely. May each of you find the True Love we all seek.
Give it some more time...
@Doc:
Regarding your comments about objectivelyspeaking, I think her screen name is most appropriate because she was not personally affected by a filipina, so she is standing on the outside looking in to this problem, which is why she is truly objective.
Regarding your comments about me, you have no idea of the definition of what a good friend is. Instead of just standing back and encouraging my friend to do something stupid, I am trying to stop him from doing it.
Besides from the little pieces of information that objectivelyspeaking and I have revealed about ourselves here, you know nothing else about us in make any other inaccuarate inferences.
This problem is of course a uniquely filipino problem. The Western embassies have acknowledged this problem, have published materials on it and even adopt policies to counter this problem.
I don't know who has his head in the sand but it is not me.
You are still on Cloud 9 at the moment because you think you found the ideal partner. I just hope she stays that way...
The last thing you would want is for you to go online and vent your grievances when your relationship turns pear shaped.
A lot of my former clients were where you are now. I have seen it way too many times...
For DOC:
THAT is the MOST BRILLIANT, OBJECTIVE DISSECTION AND ANALYSIS of both article and comments on this hub.
THANK YOU...
@TanfromAustralia
There is an old saying that goes,
"An ASS always loves to hear himself bray."
You bring no other valid insights to this discussion board. It is very clear.
You are like a horse with blinders, only seeing what is in front of you. Or a dog chasing after its tail, bringing up the same pointless negativity.
and no, both you and objectivelyspeaking have never been "objective" in any way, shape or form, in giving advice in this forum.
Since you don't seem to know, the definition of the word "OBJECTIVE" , let me help you:
ob·jec·tive /?b?jektiv/
Adjective:
(of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions (of others) in considering and representing facts.
a statement that is completely UNBIASED. It is not touched by the speaker’s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations.
Examples of Objective and Subjective
Objective : scientific facts are objective as are mathematical proofs; essentially anything that can be backed up with solid DATA.
Subjective : OPINIONS (PERSONAL OR OF OTHERS), interpretations, and any type of marketing presentation are all subjective.
In conclusion, the two of you have been the REAL trolls all along.
Are you totally delusional? Just do a google search on the key terms, "philippines", "high risk", "migration", "spouse visa" and "Australia".
Are you so absurd to suggest that the Australian Government has developed their policies merely based on subjective stereotypes?
They based the policies on actual statistics...
The Australian Government views the Philippines as a "high risk" country when it comes to migration purposes...
What part of that do you refuse to understand?
And to those of you who missed the amazing REVELATION made by Doc about the 2 most negative commenters on this thread, let me put it in simple language:
objectivelyspeaking is a very cruel and bitter Chinese woman who relentlessly shares other people's negative experiences and opinions of Filipinas (and even the Philippines) in this thread to influence other people's opinions and perceptions and convince the readers that Filipinas are bad women. She also takes great pleasure reading and responding to the same negative experiences from other posters because she herself is a "victim". Her husband left her to be with a Filipina hence the hatred towards the Filipinas.
TanfromAustralia is also the same cruel and bitter Vietnamese former immigration lawyer who is very, very, VERRY concerned of his friend (male) who happens to be in love with, yes you guessed it -- a Filipina. He too is a "victim."
Too much concern for his male friend's choice of woman to date or marry plus the consistent slandering of Filipinas makes TanfromAustralia a what? You guessed it. A Faggot.
He is in love with his male friend and is hurt because his friend chose a Filipina.
And that's a wrap people!
Why don't you just respond to the facts I just posted up rather than personally insulting people you know very little about?
I thought you are a dignified woman. Now you have just confirmed the stereotype that people have of filipinas.
You have just proven that filipinas have 2 faces.
You have resorted to personal attack because you have nothing intelligent left to say.
You couldn't really argue against the Australian Government's views and policies pertaining to filipinas who marry Australian men.
Yes, the majority of them (but not all) are whores by any other name...
The so-called "amazing"revelation made by "Doc" is merely an account of fiction.
Even if it is real, it is only real to him NOW.
I have had intelligent men as clients like doctors and professors and they were scammed, too...
Perhaps there are different layers of "real"...
"Doc" needs to wake up and smell the coffee before he has a head on collision with disaster...
I have learned how powerful prejudice can be. Biases are implanted in our youth and continue to linger in our hearts.
According to Socrates, "Fighting such prejudice is like fighting with shadows, for prejudices refuse to come into the light of rational debate. Lies can be exposed, and clever rhetoric can be dissected and dismissed, but a mind married to its prejudices, especially when those prejudices are learned at a young age, is forever handicapped when it comes to recognizing the truth."
That is why it is so hard to argue with a man who thinks the opinions of a few outweighs the REAL truth.
The REAL TRUTH regarding this article was written by a very wise commenter (Doc) and I salute him!
"There are good and bad people all over this world, as in all things, choose wisely. May each of you find the True Love we all seek."
So which face are you adopting now? The real face or the fake face?
Why don't you just do that google search like I suggested and see what comes up?
I did not put that information on the internet. The Australian Government did. It is a problem because THEY said so, not because I said so.
The Australian Government assesses spouse visas from the Philippines and Russia MUCH harder than those same visas from countries like the UK, US or Canada. Why do you think that is...?
I know about this because I used to prepare spouse visa applications for assessment to the Government. A spouse visa application from the Philippines required three times the work compared to a spouse visa application from any other country.
Do you know why that is? It is because on the majority, it was so incredibly difficult to demonstrate that the applicants had genuine intentions to marry their sponsor, especially when the applicant was likely to be a 25 year old whore who was marrying a 65 year old Australian citizen because she "genuinely loved him".
When I had those cases, I could barely keep a straight face nor disguise my annoyance. Imagine what reaction an Australian Government official would have when assessing those cases. It would be hard for them to keep down their lunch...
I have come to the conclusion that although there is much bullshit spoken in the Philippines, that bullshit on the up-side is usually more prone to be lies and the more horrible stories tend to be more often truer.
The Australian government is tough with any third world country's people as usually they are less educated and yes tend to be more willing to lie and cheat to find a way in. (I'm not saying all are but in general most. I live in the Philippines and quite honestly I haven't found too many that don't lie.)
Yes it is immoral and screws people up when it comes to marriage but that wouldn't happen without our own governments approval. Yep! I have a beef with my government. Ours tends to treat new immigrants better than it's own people. Girls can be gold diggers from any country. I don't have a problem with Filipinas. They are beautiful in many ways. But trust is another issue. It does and should take years to earn.
Any man who'm chooses to marry a bar slut is a fool, however I didn't and it still didn't work out. I married a girl from a decent background and educated to some degree. If you have too many years between your ages you are also asking for trouble, especially IF YOU GO HOME WITH HER. Don't do it fools as you're actually throwing your rights away and giving her more than you. DON'T BE A SUCKER, unless you've been together for years, there isn't a huge age gap, she is 30 plus and preferably not wanting to have kids. The last one is huge. Honestly, it is better to stay in the Philippines and you'll have better input with your kids if it all goes belly up if you stay in her country till things either work out or you walk away. At least you still will have choices. Australia is a hole when it comes to marriage and the longer you stay in a marriage there, if it fails, the deeper that hole is. Many don't get out. Thank god I found the Philippines prior to marriage. Of that I'm grateful, but I don't delude myself, I'd never do it again. The wedding song goes dum dum dumdum for a reason.
I have the tendency to become terminally bored of people who are devoid of cerebral colloquy. So my apologies TanfromAustralia - you are one of those people.
I also get terminally bored of people who are PREJUDICE. Unfortunately, you are also one of those blokes TanfromAustralia. Sorry.
I have the tendency to become bored with people who are oblivious to facts and defend the undefendable...
I can back up my views from my former work experience, my personal interaction with hundreds of filipinas and their sponsors and my knowledge of the law.
What can you claim?
I also tend to get bored with people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
And that is you, my dear...
your claim: "I can back up my views from my former work experience, my personal interaction with hundreds of filipinas and their sponsors and my knowledge of the law."
Consider this:
As of July 2011, the Phillippine Demographic profile reports
an estimated total Population: 101,833,938 of which 31,097,203 are female within the age group of 14-64 years old.
That's over 31 Million women.
If you have DATA, how many of the 31,097,203 females in my country is a scammer?
please feel free to -- ENLIGHTEN all of us since you claim to know EMPIRICAL RESEARCH AND ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.
I claim nothing but this:
This article was written to WARN men of the few "bad apples" not to SCARE them with claims (true or imagined) of a few men who had bad experiences, from ever finding love in countries other than their own or to seek love from a culture that is different from their own.
This article was written to warn men of the "bad apples" who disguise themselves as genuine prospective life partners, not the "bad apples" who are bar girls or prostitutes.
That is why this article begins with the positive traits of the filipinas...but then warn men that appearances can be deceptive.
Why would anyone need a warning against a cobra?
I don't think you even read or understand this article at all, which is why you sound foolish.
Why don't you just read the internet resources I suggested? Those are resources published by the Australian Government.
I know the spouse visa application like I know the back of my hand. I did that work for 6 years.
And in your arrogance TanfromAustralia, you tell every person in this forum who contradicts your views as someone who "knows nothing"
so I will end this Arrogance of yours by quoting a GREAT PHILOSOPHER.
in the words of the Great Plato :
"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know."
There is no point arguing with a fool.
And that is YOU, my dear Sir.
Well I am happy with my pinay fiance - I met her online before first travelling to meet her - we have now been in a relationship for 4 years - I am an Englishman, She is from Isabella originally, and is now living in Germany with family - She has more money than me, and is not afraid to spend it - We will marry this December - Take care all
congratulations for finding your love! Best wishes on your upcoming wedding!
You are the fool, foolish one.
Quoting Plato does not make you smart. All you have to do is open a book and lift any quote you like.
However, I do agree with that quote as it pertains to you when it states that you know nothing.
That you know nothing is more evident each time you type another post. You are the blind leading the blind...
...and I am happily married, you fool. Married to a woman who also works for a living, contributes equally financially and does not financially support her parents, siblings or cousins.
See how smart I am in NOT marrying a filipina...?
Great men should be quoted. don't be jealous because you are not a great man.
I do not quote to sound smart. I quote because you say I am a fool and that I know nothing.
well, if you are happily married sir, I congratulate you and wish that your lovely wife and children never read the cruel things you write on this thread lest you want them to abhor your racism.
God bless your family!
And most importantly, my wife did not need to make a spouse visa application to be with me. She has too much pride and respect in herself. She is not a whore...
Good for her! An honorable wife you have. Too bad she married a chauvinist pig.
oh and sir, please do not forget to ENLIGHTEN everyone with your DATA.
reposting my query :
Consider this:
As of July 2011, the Phillippine Demographic profile reports
an estimated total Population: 101,833,938 of which 31,097,203 are female within the age group of 14-64 years old.
That's over 31 Million women.
If you have DATA, how many of the 31,097,203 females in my country is a scammer?
please feel free to -- ENLIGHTEN all of us since you claim to know EMPIRICAL RESEARCH AND ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.
LiluVrai - Thank you Sir, for your kind comment
TanfromAustralia - You quote "and I am happily married, you fool. Married to a woman who also works for a living, contributes equally financially and does not financially support her parents, siblings or cousins."
- Clearly you are not entirely happy, or settled.
- I think deep down you are madly in love with a Philippine lady that has rejected your advances in the past, after maybe you tried to control her? - Reading your racist views in this column you clearly are suffering from some kind of rejection
You are very much welcome Happywithmypinay...
And I am a Filipina lady, by the way, who "knows nothing" and is a FOOL according to the very intelligent gentleman over there, who is a Vietnamese former immigration lawyer TanfromAustralia. (who now lives in Australia)
I just stumble on this site looking for a good deal to travel abroad. I get to read a lot of these disgusting, racist and immature comments usually the one coming from this little punk, tanfromaustralia. I been married to a Filipina and already had grandchildren and never ever got any problem with my wife since she passed away two years ago. To have somebody called your wife a whore is very insulting not only to me but also to the men that had a good marriage with a Filipina. During the Vietnam War, I find it despicable for my fellow soldier to cut off the ears of the enemy and make them into a necklace. I always has bad dream about it but now that I know that such a person like tanfromausralia exist, I can now go back and sleep without any guilt with what my buddies did in Vietnam. After reading your comments, I can say now that Vietnamese were whores and should be treated like dogs. To hell with you, you little bastard that is even afraid to show a photo of yourself. Look into the mirror and you will see the real you, you son of a bitch. Do you still have both ears? Motherfucker! I hope your family and relatives all goes to hell.
from Happywithmypinay 5 minutes ago
- Clearly you are not entirely happy, or settled.
- I think deep down you are madly in love with a Philippine lady that has rejected your advances in the past, after maybe you tried to control her? - Reading your racist views in this column you clearly are suffering from some kind of rejection
HAHAHAHA! Forgive me I had to type out my laughter!
Bravo! Happywithmypinay
Fundamental Psychology Defense Mechanism called "sour graping!"
@TanfromAustralia
My apologies, you are right. I am not one who "knows nothing" because you said and I quote
TanfromAustralia 2 hours ago
"I also tend to get bored with people who have ABSOLUTELY no idea what they are talking about.
And that is you, my dear..."
So apologies KIND sir, I stand corrected!
I am not someone who "knows nothing" for I am the one you call someone who "ABSOLUTELY KNOWS NOTHING". I forget you are the king of absolute truths!
And a person who "knows nothing" still knows "something" whereas a person who "ABSOLUTELY knows nothing" doesn't know ANYTHING. NADA!
That makes me someone who doesn't know ANYTHING.
And I do not claim that I do. And in the words of the great Plato then
"In this trifling particular" I am wiser than YOU...
I am flattered that you pointed that out... THANK YOU.
@TanfromAustralia,
I am interested to know, how you would solve this Filipina problem?
@moneycantbuymelove
I am so excited to hear what he has to say.
I am also very happy with my Filipina wife. We have been married for 6 years now and have a beautiful, intelligent and loving 4 year old daughter. Just like her mommy. I am an American. I met my wife when I was 26 yrs old. She is only 5 months older than me.
I met my wife when I was assigned in the Philippines for 5 months. My wife was a supervisor and trainer. And I was sent there to train them further.
I felt annoyed reading this article. Although it is in a way informative in warning us American guys of some scammers, I also felt offended that the article is focused on Pinays alone. Pinays are not all bad women.
I remember how hard it was for me to even ask my wife out on a date or to have coffee (just the 2 of us) because she was so concerned that other people would think she was some cheap, desperate girl that I picked up from a bar somewhere in Cebu city. Whenever I asked her to hang out wit me at the mall or watch a movie or eat out or go anywhere public, she would tell me "as long as its not just the 2 of us". Even after we had our daughter, she would tense up when I put my hand on her shoulder, hold her hand or kiss her in public. I had to reassure her all the time and remind her that she was and never will be considered as a slut, whore, gold-digger etc etc.
I am very protective of my wife because she loves me and she married me despite knowing that I was broke, did not finish college and came from a broken family. She is a licensed medical professional, and from a middle class family in the Philippines. Her cousin and uncle here in the US own and run a small business in the medical field.
And if anyone would dare tell me I married a whore because I had to file for a fiance visa for her to live with me in the USA -- that person would be punched in the face! It took me 2 years to convince her to come to the US. Such wasted time! She was so afraid to come here because of the exact stereotyping I read from the comments in this hub.
My advice to the American guys, If a guy like me can find a very decent, loving and caring Filipina woman, I think you guys can too! Good luck!
If you guys want very educational info about Filipina-Western marriages or to know more about the Filipina women, I recommend this site :
www.filipinawives.com
@pinaylover
Thank you for sharing your story! It is nice to read happy stories!
God bless you and your family!
@ LiluVrai: I work for the U.S Government in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and there is no such article that is publish by either by the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and Department of Immigration and Citizenship that warns its citizen about certain ethnicity including that of the Philippines. It only gives travel advisory to its citizen traveling abroad to what portion of each part of the country to avoid or take precaution. TanfromAustralia need to give a factual link to the site he is talking about before even opening up a debate. His argument is nonsense because it does not exist unless he is basing it on his own experiences. It never exist in all government site including here is the U.S, UK, CANADA and including Australia.He is just one plain delusional, racist individual that is trolling the Internet and having the satisfaction because he got you hooked talking to his nonsense. I believe than TanfromAustralia just looking for attention and that you are the one providing that to him who makes him feel that he is somebody. He kept on insisting to Google it.
1). Philippines – It is a country and what?
2). High Risk - a Jet Li 1995 Film (High Risk) or other adverse or unwelcome circumstance; a chance or situation involving such a possibility.
3). Migration (Human) - It means physical movement by humans from one area to another, sometimes over long distances or in large groups or TanfromAustralia.
4). Visa (Spouse) - a document issued by a country's government allowing the holder to enter (or to make a formal request to enter) or to leave that country or a CREDIT Card.
5). Australia – It is another country. It is not the U.S or UK.
TanfromAustralia - According to Google is an IDIOT.
I don't really mind engaging in discussions like this TanloveFilipina. Don't worry. :)
I am just here to give my unbiased advice to those who are willing to take it.
And has anybody here even noticed that the author of this Hub may be a teenager? Because all his other hubs are about Anime Cartoons? hahaha!
@moneycantbuymelove and LiluVrai: I find it intriguing that both of you were still not on Tanfromaustralia ignore list given the facts that both of your comments makes sense and it is making him look like an idiot, immature and racist. It also makes it look like he is bitter because it seem like he was scam by a Filipino woman before. I guess, you both were having fun exposing him as an impostor instead of a ‘Lawyer” that he proclaim. He is still answering your question given the facts that people that he put on his ignore list according to him does not know nothing. He described both of you as boring, had no idea, delusional and out of this planet and he is still answering back to you both. I guess that is the only satisfaction he get or closer he get to a women attention by getting into a debate.
Notice: He does not even had a photo of himself while I change my pictures almost everyday, ha ha ha.
@LiluVrai: I made a mistake and my real name is Danny. I accidentally put Tan instead of Dan,lol. If you had time. Visit my Youtube site and type "PNOYPWR" and listen to my upload songs that my 22 years old son singing in English and Tagalog songs which he do not actually understand but still can sing it. But he is fluent in speaking in Pampango though, ha ha ha.
@TanloveFilipinia
There are some people who are obsessed with the negative. Scroll up and read a brilliant man's comment -- Doc'. and if you scroll further up, also look for the comments of toodles. These 2 men are experienced Hubbers and very wise ones at that.
Obviously these two -- objectivelyspeaking and TanfromAustralia are both BIGOTS and RACISTS who enjoy displaying their fake claims, truths and even their fake intelligence and wisdom behind their usernames.
EPIC SHAME FOR YOU BOTH.
@Danny.
TanfromAus does seem to be ignoring my last question to him! I was expecting his usual response of; "you're a fool" :D
@TanloveFilipina
I did not even bother to Google anything he suggested. You know why? Because a person with an open-mind knows how to respect both sides of a debate.
Him and objectivelyspeaking were trying so hard to shove their personal beliefs down my throat AND down everybody else' throats. I have my own opinions of the world and I do not need arrogant, self-glorifying bigots to tell me what I should or should not believe.
It is very obvious they are waging their personal vendetta against the Filipinas. Even the dull can see through their intentions.
Pitiful.
@moneycantbuymelove:
Any one who goes against what they believe to be ABSOLUTE TRUTHS is seen as a "fool" in their eyes.
"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."
And they will not continue to engage in debate with people who have a STAND. Especially if that stand goes against the evil they proclaim.
That's why we readers have to be very careful about the advice of people online who appear to know EVERYTHING there is to know about a topic. They can be very persuasive.
"Racists groups commonly use vitriolic language to attack those they perceive as threatening by attempting to make the victims of the attack feel inferior."
I support anti-racism campaigns. We are trained to identify racists of any kind. And these two just reeks of racism.
Its sickening.
im a filipina married to a white guy. My husband is English and not as nice as many American guys. But i love my husband so much. I'm not like the other Filipina who is a gold digger. I'm a college graduate and have a managerial job in hotel and my husband is so proud of that. Im very Independent, my husband looks at me like im the most beautiful woman in the world. How many times i've been offered a modelling job here in the states but i refused because i could see in my husband eyes that his worried about the idea. His very jealous and possessive. We both got a good job. His a director in his company. I spoiled my husband so much and i treat him like a king. His relatives from England keep telling me not to spoiled my husband too much because they see how i take care of him. And to think, im not dependent to him im earning my own money. Despite of my 5 days a week work. I always make sure that i please my husband all the time. Just to let you all know my husband is not even handsome and he is 12 yrs. older than me. But i love him with all my heart.
i was entertained by the comments, majority of the comments are either "to insist the ideas that are ridiculous in nature" or "to draw a line between these ridiculous comments to shade a light for some close minded people to see", Few are people who share their experience good and bad.
Some are even here to advertize but there is something that I really really want to see. Facts to back up the so called lawyers claim. Since I am on his ignore list "because I am 15 years old" then maybe someone can ask him for me please.
for now break is over, time to go back to the lab and check if the frog I am about to dissect is ready. Maybe if I imagine that the frog I am about to cut into pieces is the Vietnamese dude then I might achieve two goals "understanding his way of reasoning" and on the process I might be able to get "good grade". ( I don't do well on my lab class I hate the smell of formaldehyde and all the other bunch of chemicals they use, but he will be a special case, I would really love to cut him open and study his brain, uhm! did I say brain? )
anyway for now will someone asked him for facts to back up all his claims? Cause you know I have yet to see one.
@daizhining : You made me laugh,lol.But the bad news is that there is no brain to study if you are talking about TanfromAustralia. Sorry too that I cannot ask him your question because I am also in his ignore list. If he cannot take the pressure or you got a valid point, he'll put you on his ignore list. The man is living in his own world and need to go back to reality.
@moneycantbuymelove:Your question to TanfromAustralia that you are interested to know, how he would solve this Filipina problem?
Because of his bitterness of being scam by a Filipino woman, for sure that his answer is to " terminate all Filipino around the world". That how selfish, racist and ignorant this man is. Or possibly that you had a point on that question that he cannot answer, so you are also put on his ignore list and do not want to answer that question.
It's been 20 hours ago since he troll in this site and never gave you an answer. He might have been admitted to a psychiatric clinic or daizhining already cut him open to study his brain and forgot to put it back, Lol.
Goodnight all. Just got back from work and it's my bedtime.Take care.
tanfromaus. are you still there??? or having a heart attack...i think you learned some lessons here...hahahahahahhahahahah......
A sick sad lot...such endless dribble...
NOT all filipinas are the same.. Im 20 years old a nurse who fell in love with a 50 year old man. I could say that this is true love bcoz I never felt like this before and I belive he is the one for me .money is never an issue coz we both have money..and after i read some stories now i preferd to live with him in my country ..He is the most important person in my life now and forever..i dont look for the physical i look for the inner beauty whch is he had and that captured my heart..some people said that i am a fool and stupid for liking an old man. those people would never understand me and my pure heart bcoz SOME people now adays doesnt have a pure heart .. I will just pray for them.
im not agree that filipino women like only the money and to go to america,im filipino woman my husband is american & i love him so much his family love me too,we'been together for 15 years now & we have 3 children,ALL I CAN SAY DIFFERENT PEOPLE,DIFFERENT ATTITUDE,DIFFERENT PERSONALITY,TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON,NOT ALL FILIPINO WOMEN,THANK YOU AND HAVE A NICE DAY...
Filipinas should be only for us, Filipinos.
Ha ha ha. You're right,Trivs.Foreigner should not be scamming our real young Filipino women by saying how wealthy they are in their country. Some even proclaim that they are "Lawyers" and I am not mentioning no names, TanfromAustralia, ha ha ha.
Anybody can marry who they want but do not blame the whole race or the ethnic of specific group if your marriage did not work out.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid?
TanfromAustralia are basically saying that Australians women were whores too which is full of BS.
If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF. ( That comment came from you, TanfromAutralia). You immigrated to Australia from Vietnam to seek and exploit the better life therefore you too is a male whore.
@LiluVrai
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful comments. ;)
@LiluVrai and other interested parties,
Thought you might find this interesting.
Indeed very interesting "fact vs fiction" article.
I have to give it to the author, his responses are backed with statistical references from INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service)and VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) and not just statements based on personal experiences or saying "I am a lawyer and According to the Australian government"
:)
One question immediately came to mind, what is the difference of "online dating services" like eharmony in the US and correspondence services or popularly known as "mail order brides" from a foreign country?
Both appear to share the same purpose - meet a potential mate online.
@ LiluVrai
I suppose the main difference is that Eharmony is US based & focused (perhaps even limited to?) while "correspondence services" are primarily geared towards overseas locations that target Western Nations as the primary "customer". In either case, Governments and/or Bureaucrats can never really control love and relationships wherever they may originate.
"Mail order bride" services or any type of "dating service" that is paid a fee are illegal in the Philippines via the Republic Act No. 6955 to wit;
"AN ACT TO DECLARE UNLAWFUL THE PRACTICE OF MATCHING FILIPINO WOMEN FOR MARRIAGE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS ON A MAIL-ORDER BASIS AND OTHER SIMILAR PRACTICES, INCLUDING THE ADVERTISEMENT, PUBLICATION, PRINTING OR DISTRIBUTION OF BROCHURES, FLIERS AND OTHER PROPAGANDA MATERIALS IN FURTHERANCE THEREOF AND PROVIDING PENALTY THEREFOR"
APPROVED: June 13, 1990
Of course as is obvious the "scammers" and other more legitimate sources have easily found ways around the law and continue to operate. I should add that the INS links provided in the previous site are non-functional, probably because the URL has been changed. It would be easy enough to verify the info though I'm sure by visiting the appropriate INS webpage.
Also, I'm currently studying another site I think you'll find interesting.
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml
Maybe we can gain some statistical facts on the subject to use in the future. ;)
@ LiluVrai
Also, be sure to check out the "Related Articles and Blog Posts" links at the bottom of the page in the previous link I posted. Tons of interesting and factual info. ;)
I'm still studying that site and I'm not sure I fully agree with the methodology used but, I am finding it interesting and informative.
Doc'
"Online dating services" to me sure sounds awfully similar to the description of "mail order brides" when I read Republic Act No. 6955, especially when I saw the words:
- "Matching" as in matching people for a relationship
- "for a fee"
- "THE ADVERTISEMENT, PUBLICATION, PRINTING OR DISTRIBUTION OF BROCHURES, FLIERS AND OTHER PROPAGANDA MATERIALS..."
online dating is also a form of advertisement and distribution of "profiles" of people, both male and female and it is common knowledge here in America that a person cannot have full browsing access to any online dating site unless he or she PAYS the membership fee and/or "successful match" fee. So one cannot even use payment of fee to delineate a distinct difference between the two.
Someone has rightly said, "one person’s gaffe is another’s peccadillo".
as for the site you mentioned http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml, I am thoroughly enjoying it! particularly this statement:
"The only exceptions to this trend of declining rates of White-Asian marriages were for Asian Indian women/wives (whose rate slightly increased from 2006 to 2010) and for both Vietnamese men/husbands and women/wives.
***** For Vietnamese men, their rates of marriage to a White wife increased from 15.0% to 21.9% while for Vietnamese women, their rate for having a White husband jumped from 28.3% to 41.3%."
Now I understand what his axe to grind really is! He did not want to be labelled a "whore" in his mind so what better way to deal with the fear of being personally stereotyped as such than using the defense mechanism - projection.
statistics can be such an enlightening thing.
Hey guys, maybe the problem here isn't filipina women, maybe it's just women in general. I'm a 50 year old divorced man living in England. I've always been extremely generous to my kids. I recently spent $50,000 renovating a house for my 26 yr old daughter who had just finished college and landed her first job. I should add that I had spent many tens of thousands of dollars on her education. I had taken some time off work to renovate the house for her and to do some other things that I had to do. So I lived in the house with my daughter for a couple of months. During the time I lived with her she refused even to sweep the floor, and abused me on several occasions for not cleaning the oven and fridge. I was shell-shocked at her ingratitude and lack of respect but I guess it's my own fault for spoiling her. Anyone have any thoughts on this or am I just a total loser?
@poormen
I could write an entire book on the subject you have presented here but, I shall attempt to be as brief and direct as possible. (Be warned; Brevity is not my strong suit) First, I believe your statements/questions directly correlate to the main subject of this article in that one of the primary reasons so many men (worldwide) seek relations with Filipina's is that they (men) frequently encounter the same type of indignation and disrespect when trying to establish a compatible relationship with a "westernized" woman. A growing percentage of (western men) seek a more traditional and natural type of relationship/marriage which seemingly is simply not available in most "westernized" countries and are drawn to the Philippines because of the reputation of Philippine women. Filipina's are well known for their humility, respect of marriage and devotion and by majority are conservative. Contrarily, "westernized" women (in general) are much the opposite. There are many reasons for this stark difference, but I believe it is not an "accident" of society. IMO While initially in the justifiable pursuit of equality for women, "western" nations have far exceeded any resemblance of equality and have lapsed into a period of great injustice, much to the detriment of all involved.
I firmly believe this specific type of deliberate corruption has created a growing culture of women whom have increasingly become hostile towards, and alienated from, their own natural roles as women. Secular liberalism views the traditional and natural role of a woman as a wife and/or mother to be a position of subservience unworthy of participation and instead, advocates that women are somehow "elevated" by adopting a secular, liberal lifestyle. Western women are encouraged to wholly abandon anything that does not place them first above all other things, from a career to even a relationship, the emphasis is always placed on self and implies that the past is fraught with constant drudgery and suffering. Literally from early childhood, western women are to varying degrees taught, influenced, encouraged and indoctrinated to believe they are somehow being suppressed and/or diminished by men. This is especially true in socialist countries and even more so in the Universities and Colleges worldwide. The result of this type of imbalanced and unnatural persuasion is in large part exactly what produces the "shocking" and drastic behaviors you have witnessed in your own daughter. Furthermore, increasingly leads western men to seek relationships with traditional Filipina's whom have chosen not to participate in secular liberalism. While this factor is of course not the only cause, I firmly believe it plays a large role in a barrage of orchestrated and intentional acts which are designed to force "change" in societies and cultures worldwide. Deceptively done in the name of "progress and equality", behind the scenes there is a larger agenda at work which intends to ultimately destroy individualism and the freedoms provided by democracy. I'll leave it to you and the other readers here to draw your own conclusions of my inferences.
Regarding having "spoiled" your daughter, (I may be making some assumptions here and certainly don't imply the following applies to ALL) No you are not a "total loser" but yes, you do share a portion of the responsibility. By providing almost everything (if not all) your daughter has needed or wanted in life, you have in effect facilitated at least some of her selfishness and disrespect. You probably did so much for her because you love her and want her to have a good life, not a detriment in itself but, the mistake in that is that she never really had to earn or struggle for herself and therefor has been lead to believe that she is not only entitled to such luxuries, but is also somehow being denied her due if she does not readily receive it from you. (or the government as the case may be) She never really experienced how self-fulfilling it is to set a goal for herself and accomplish that goal for and by herself, at least not in a way that literally determined her safety and security in the future. Thereby, she missed out on a very important and essential life lesson. This same entitlement attitude has no doubt also been carried over into other aspects of her life and is shared by a large number of her peers as well. They constitute a generation of "spoiled" youth who took advantage of the loving and generous contributions of their parents but never had the benefit of actually learning how valuable it really is. Yes, they may have indeed attended college and studied "hard" (which the majority didn't have to pay for themselves) and yes they may have "worked" towards a career or otherwise functioned in some minimal way but, they never really understood that the necessities and luxuries in life are not a right, (as they have been wrongly lead to believe by the afore mentioned sources) but rather things that must be earned through hard work and dedication. Compounding this problem, is the fact that the afore mentioned sources have further hindered their ability to understand these crucial facts and deluded their self discipline to such an extent that they have no real basis of comprehension to draw from. "Johnny has new shoes and a new bicycle, I should too". Or: "All of my friends have a nice new house, I should too." IMO, this entitlement mentality is a direct result of the indoctrination and virtual brainwashing received in the universities and colleges by young and pliable minds. (did your daughter attend a liberal college?) Furthermore, it is not an accident.
Some may claim that parents have no guidebook or instructions on how to best raise their children therefor we are bound to make mistakes, and indeed no parent is perfect but, I must disagree about the allegedly missing "guidebook". All parents do in fact have a very practical and important "guidebook" to follow, it is the voice of experience and wisdom collected throughout the centuries of history. The traditional standards of parenting and guidance that have always existed and sustained the world exist for a very good reason, because they actually work! Until very recently, (historically speaking) those traditional standards were never in question and were passed down to each successive generation, it is only with the introduction of secular liberalism into the "mainstream" of our educational systems and general society that we begin to see the severe consequences and degradation so common today.
Unfortunately, at this point there's really not a lot that can be done to remedy your situation IMO, outside of seriously drastic action on your part (like taking away her "security blanket" completely and allowing her to fail on her own) the damage is already done. She is already deeply entrenched in behavioral patterns that will be very difficult, if not impossible, to change at her age. Consistency is the key, much in the same way you consistently came to her aid and rescue, you must be equally as consistent in her "re-education" and discipline. She must be allowed to personally experience the natural consequences of her own choices in order to begin to learn from her mistakes. Just be there for her when she does fail, and let her know that you truly love her in a responsible way. When that day comes, and it will, you will have an opportunity to set a better example for her to follow and then follow through by supporting her proper choices in the future.
I must emphasis that my opinions are my own and by no means am I an expert on this subject, I am simply replying to your request for input and I hope my input can be of some help. Best wishes to you and yours my friend.
Perhaps you should get another hobby to fill up your time?
@tanfromaustralia
First just to be clear, was your last comment directed at me? Would be easy to assume so since it immediately followed my last posting but, I'm not the type to assume very often so I ask to be sure.
Every day, criminals who use email to scam victims out of their money are collecting large amounts of money sent to them using the "services" of Western Union and Money Gram. Online crime costs an estimated 3.5 Billion dollars a year.
We believe that the Western Union and MoneyGram international organisations, whilst not complicit in the scams, do not do enough to check that the money going through their books is not initiated by a scam. We believe that doing these checks is especially important in known scam "hotspots" such as:
Nigeria
Ghana
Senegal
Malaysia
Russia
Ukraine
Philippines
We ask Western Union and MoneyGram to adopt a universal system of checks when money is being sent to these places rather than the current system, whereby warnings and extra checks are adapted on an individual basis dependent on the agent's knowledge of scams.
We would like the agents to be officially trained in how to spot internet scams and be given the powers to refuse payments made to known scammer names or locations as well as to inform customers of scams and how they work if they are concerned the person is sending money to a scammer. We also ask that, should a payment be refused at one outlet, then it will be added to a database and refused at all others.
Please sign this petition. If we can stop one person's life being ruined by a scammer, we will have succeeded.
I have often used MoneyGram & Western Union and find them to be reliable and security conscious. If the sender of money via these services is unwise enough to send money to any unknown party or to anyone not in their immediate family or close circle of friends, then the blame falls squarely upon them alone. No service, be it money wire or not, can or should be held responsible for the stupidity of it's users.
Will the REAL moneycantbuymelove please stand up. ;)
@doc
Thanks for your lengthy, well argued and articulate response. It seems that feminism has conferred on women (young, western women at least) the right to behave as they please, to be ungrateful and obnoxious, even to their own fathers. It is ironic that, while they are all honours gratduates of the school of man-hating, they all, without exception in my experience, want to have a male boss at work rather than a female. There was a movie a number of years ago called 'As Good as it Gets" starring Jack Nicholson as a writer. In one scene a woman fan asks him "How do you write women so well" His reply is; "I just think of a man, and take away reason and accountability". "Nuff said. Anyway I think I've gone off on a tangent here so I'll say no nore. Thanks again.
Be very careful on what your saying. Not all Filipinas are the same. We are miners of gold, and not a gold diggers. And we quote:
"Miners and Gold-diggers have one thing in common: They both search for golds. The difference is that Miners search for gold first to have money whereas Gold-diggers search for a wealthy man first to have gold." -
-- Mirasol Chua
- now you know ;)
Hi Doc.
I have, also, used WU to send and receive payments without problems, though do feel there are cheaper methods possible. I don't feel the author of the petition is blaming WU for the scamming, but requesting stricter checks and warnings for high risk areas. These methods are the scammers preferred route for receipt of monies obtained through deceit.
I, actually copied and pasted the post from a member of dragonladies.org called 'Reader'. Just to add, he is very happily married to a Filipina.
Best wishes
Ultramagnus and to all guys out there who says that they got fooled by a filipina.. whenever you keep on talking about that you just put shame on yourself because you allowed yourself to be fooled. It is nobody's fault that you guys wasn't able to recognize the difference between fake and real. Yes, i agree that a lot of Filipinas do these certain kind of things. But if you look at the real score, most of Americans who come to the Philippines to get married or be with a filipina are mostly old, ugly or helpless. If the guy is young, good-looking or rich and have a Filipina girlfriend that is love for both parties because if the guy is young, goodlooking and rich ofcourse the girl will fall in love with the guy. In these case where Ameicans go to philippines to for a girl the only reason is that they don't have anybody in America who would stick to them, if they say that they don't want american girls that's why they would travel thousand miles to the philippines is just like saying that american girls are worse compared to Filipinas. I see American girls more attractive that filipinas, but American guys look for girls somewhere else like philippines because THEY CAN'T FIND ANYBODY IN AMERICA who would want them, because if they can they would not stick to Filipinas who lived thousand miles away, has different culture, expensive airfare, and would need a lot of money in filing a petition to get them here. I see that the Americans are more opporunist than what the girls are, Filipinas are capable of getting on a "NO LOVE MARRIAGE" is because of the need of helping their families and provide them much better life because their country is poor, but what are the reasons an American have to marry a Filipina? it is because they can take advantage of their poor situation that's why there is big chances on having a Young, attractive wife. In a case where the Guy is 40+ of age and the girl is 18 who do you see being opportunist? American guys are being opportunist knowing that a lot of Filipinas need a lot of things that america can offer. By the way there are lots of American guys who are behind bars in the philippines due to human trafficking, prostitution or because they are pedophiles who are caught because of sexual harassment or even Raping a 6 year old kid and pay them 20pesos or half a dollar. Who is the opportunist now? It is not anybody's fault that some americans were fooled by filipinas, you should realize that before even marrying you have to make sure and you could've even see that these things might happen.. Or it is because you already know what the girls want but still pursued on marrying them just to have somebody to sleep with every night. Not just Filipinas are cheap,there are always cheap girls everwhere that's why there are strip clubs in america too. You cant just talk and specify Filipinas, race, color, or country doesn't vary. It is all about yourself and learning how to live life wisely. i hope you also consider how many Filipina Nurses are here in America who could be your nurse when you reach the age where you can't do anything by yourself. I hope they treat you well after whatever you said about Filipinas. There are now different races in America thats why i dont think only filipinas do those things, but to top this situation every nationality who married americans for green card wins and stays here in america while Americans end up being fooled so stop bragging about this things because you put shame on your face and to those guys that got fooled. By the way, I am a Filipino who got here because of having an American great grandfather who part of the Armed Forces and decided to stay in the philippines with my great grandmother who also died in the Philippines without going to america even once, i believe in my great grandparents case, it is love. And now my American great Grandfather is still buried in the Cemetery in the Philippines together where the national heroes are buried. that is how filipinos respect americans who have good intentions in our Country. I now live and successfully working here in america where i always see some helpless Americans everu morning outside my workplace begging me for a dollar for their coffee, fare or even for a stick of cigarettes, that's sucks for americans right? that only proves that whatever happen to you wherever you are it is always up to you alone.
God bless America!
God bless Philippines!
Mabuhay and mga Filipina!
Shame on you Ultramagnus!
WOW, I am a filipino and I really agree on those comments saying SOME WOMEN do CHEATING with you white people.....nevertheless, may I ask the question why did you ever had an interest to a filipina???...correct me if I am wrong!!!!!!!!they say filipina are the best wife right???? caring, loving, and everything....but did you ever put into your mind that how can our filipina woman love you???? are you really finding a love one to marry or just for FUN A.k.A LUST????....if you really want to meet a real filipina then come here in the PHILIPPINES THEN LIVE WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!!! after then you may say you're stereotype comments on our filipino woman...."IF we may learn our HISTORY, most of your paradigms regarding on ASIAN are wrong....YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE "MANIFEST DESTINY"???? COMMON!!!!!Think about it....Our countrymen is better than yours in terms of love.....and put that in your mIND
pinayRocks- Makes me laugh, hehe. Opportunist the women are opportunist and the men are, so they are equal. No discussion really. I think the old guys come here because of the sheer abundance of young girls, be they cheap girls or not. But both sides get used. The old guys use the girls for sex and the young girls use the old guys for money. It's business, and one of the oldest professions. Couldn't be more honest and as I've said a lot more honest than the term marriage nowadays.
As for foreigners in jail and your legal system here that you mentioned. It makes me laugh even harder. I can just say "What legal system?" I could mention thousands of cases but I will just mention one and that is the Mindanao massacre. Check the answers in yahoo news, you'll see how confident even Filipinos are about that working out.
we're not really pertaining to legal system.. the examples i gave is to make ultramagnus realize how americans do crazy stuff in the philippines too just like how he emphasized filipinas. he could've said be careful of opportunist women rather than emphasizing just Filipinas. i just want people to know and look at the other side of the story. but i appreciate that you read my very long comment up to that point, i guess it means i'm not talking nonsense. i even said that some filipinas would get married without love but i also gave reasons and also used the opportunity to remind him how some americans are f***ed up too..
Why can't some people admit that it is prostitution?
I think the word "prostitution" was what Dean was trying to hint at.
@Jayson:
If you really think that, then you girls should stay married to your own filipino men.
It is obvious that filipinas are more desperate to marry Western men than vice versa.
That is why filipinas have developed the Western men sales pitch. Amongst some of the products on offer are the "untainted wife from heaven who is not money hungry" product. We all know how that product turns out when the men take it home, don't we?
TanfromAustralia is ALIVE? I though he is already brain dead?
@ TanfromAustralia: If THE ONLY REASON WHY A WOMAN WOULD MARRY A MAN IS TO GET OUT OF HER COUNTRY, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE HER A WHORE. SHE IS STILL SELLING HERSELF. ( That comment came from you, TanfromAutralia). You immigrated to Australia from Vietnam to seek and exploit the better life therefore you too is a MALE WHORE. You are jealous that your boyfriend is marrying a Filipino woman and he dump you.
I think that my comment implied that your own mother was a whore. Remember it is only offensive if it is true. Was she forced to marry to get out of her country? Did she have an unfulfilling life in a loveless marriage? Did her poverty meant that she had to sell herself through marriage...which makes you merely an economic commodity?
It is only offensive if it is true. I don't think you are angry at me.
You are just angry with the truth.
You are bitter and angry because you are the product of a whore.
It must be an upsetting experience when other people remind you of the stark truth...
Ha ha ha. Looks who's talking. One that that is a fat ugly asian that is proclaiming that he is a "Lawyer" and the truth is that you are rejected by women both in in Australia and was scam by a Filipino woman. You cannot even show a photo of yourself because you are nothing but a lowlife, racist wanna be Australian. Finally, you are not ignoring and talking to me directly. You and your family is the whore for you all immigrated from Vietnam and exploited the good life in Australia. You are nothing but a dog and you too are a product of your mother who is also a whore.
Here is what moneycantbuymelove was asking you and you do not reply to her question 3 days ago.
@TanfromAustralia,
I am interested to know, how you would solve this Filipina problem?
@TanfromAusralia: I believe your statement that it must be an upsetting experience when other people remind you that no woman is attracted to you. I do not believe that you are married to an Australian woman, let alone for a Filipino woman would not marry a Vietnamese. They rather married an Australian or American so they could have a better-looking offspring and that’s a fact,Faggot.
I only laugh when you say those things about me because I know they are not true.
You are 50+, insecure, that is why you have go back to your own mother's country to pay for sex as a sex tourist. You already admitted this. You couldn't get sex for free with any woman in the States.
You are a 55 year old wanker with mental health issues, most probably stemming from your realisation that you were produced by a whore who used you as her meal ticket and passport out of her original country.
That is why you have had a chip on your shoulder this whole time.
Remember..you would not get offended if I called your mother a whore...unless it has a basis in fact.
You can call my mother a whore if you like. I won't be offended because it is not true.
By your own admission, you had to pay for sex.
I never had to. That is because I'm 34, good looking bodybuilder.
You are 55, desperate and mentally retarded.
Of course you need to pay for sex.
Women (especially young women) don't tend to feel a compelling attraction to 55 year old wankers like you...
Wanker.
@TanfromAustralia: I find it intriguing that both @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVrai:were still not on your ignore list given the facts that both of their comments makes sense and it is making you look like an idiot, immature and racist. It also makes it look like you is bitter because it seem like he was scam by a Filipino woman before. I guess, @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVrai were having fun exposing you as an impostor instead of a ‘Lawyer” that tou proclaim. You is still answering their questions given the facts that people that you put on his ignore list according to you does not know nothing. You described both @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVra as boring, had no idea, delusional and out of this planet and you is still answering back to both of them? I guess that is the only satisfaction youe get or closer you get to a women attention by getting into a debate with them.
Good for not taking me out on your ignore list. As you stated:
If the only reason why a woman would marry a man is to get out of her country, then that would make her a whore. She is still selling herself.
Do you know that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? You are basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
Tan, you are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not YOU, ha ha ha.
Would you tell me who Michelle van Eimeren?
If Ogie Alcacid who is not really a very very handsome guy can have an Australian beauty queen like Michelle van Eimeren, why don’t you post your own picture too? Know why? Because you are one fat, old, ugly Asian who cannot find true loves. I pity you though, Tan. I really mean it even if you are a whore. I still pity you, ha ha ha.
And you're just a wanker 55 year old who should know better.
I know the truth of who I say I am, which is why I am confident person.
You can create as many multiple identities on this board as you like and post as many different people as you like.
The same dickhead that you are is obvious regardless of what other names you use.
I truly get what your beef is. It must be terrible to know that your own pathetic birth was not wanted in the real sense, but rather for a woman's economic benefit.
And I pity you because your own birth was not wanted. In your case, I support abortion.
Yes, I was a "whore" (in your own words) when I was working as an immigration lawyer helping your women make spouse visa applications. I was a "whore" through association with them...
@TanfromAustralia: I find it intriguing that both @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVrai:were still not on your ignore list given the facts that both of their comments makes sense and it is making you look like an idiot, immature and racist. It also makes it look like you is bitter because it seem like he was scam by a Filipino woman before. I guess, @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVrai were having fun exposing you as an impostor instead of a ‘Lawyer” that tou proclaim. You is still answering their questions given the facts that people that you put on his ignore list according to you does not know nothing. You described both @moneycantbuymelove and LiluVra as boring, had no idea, delusional and out of this planet and you is still answering back to both of them? I guess that is the only satisfaction you get or closer you get to a women attention by getting into a debate with them.
Good for not taking me out on your ignore list. As you stated:
If the only reason why a woman would marry a man is to get out of her country, then that would make her a whore. She is still selling herself.
Do you know that Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren went back to Philippines and got married to a Filipino singer/songwriter, Ogie Alcacid? You are basically saying that Australians women were whores too.
Australian beauty queen Michelle van Eimeren is no regular Australian. She is the Miss Australia who represents Australia on the beauty pageant.
Tan, you are one confused, bitter, ignorant, prejudice that was scam because of jealousy that one person can have their luck and not YOU, ha ha ha.
Would you tell me who Michelle van Eimeren?
If Ogie Alcacid who is not really a very very handsome guy can have an Australian beauty queen like Michelle van Eimeren, why don’t you post your own picture too? Know why? Because you are one fat, old, ugly Asian who cannot find true loves. I pity you though, Tan. I really mean it even if you are a whore. I still pity you, ha ha ha.
You are wealthy but not as wealthy as Bill Gates? A “Lawyer” that according to one of your friends you are not and now, you are a bodybuilder? Ha ha ha. That is so funny, Midget.
You can post up repeated things, but it does not mean that you make any more sense or that you are any less of a dickhead.
Anyone who marries another person for purely economic reasons is a whore.
Normal people get married for love and sexual attraction.
You probably had to pay for sex for so long that you don't quite grasp that.
You are the same age as both of my parents, by the way. Time for you to grow up.
Wanker.
Bullshit you know one of my friends.
Bullshit you know who I am:
1. "Tan" is only a nickname, not my real name;
2. I am accessing this board through my iPhone, so you could not claim to track my IP;
3. I don't have a facebook profile; and
4. If you did talk to any of my friends, all of them would tell you that I am a lawyer because that is what I really am.
Good grief! This has certainly sunk to new depths.
A lawyer calling someones mother, he doesn't know personally, a whore??!!
If that's representative of 'your profession' in Australia, i'm very happy i live in England and will never require your services! I'm not at all surprised you do not post a photo.
I don't post a photo because it is nobody's business what I look like. Why don't you post a photo?
The last thing I want is for this Danny dickhead to think that he can drive me away or to monopolise this discussion.
Danny is a retarded 55 year old who represents the worse in men. Wankers like him are the ones who go on sex holidays in poor country and exploit poor women. They make wankers like him feel like king, like a God because they are poor. Women in Western countries would not spit on a pile of manure like him even if he is on fire.
Danny is a bitter, pathetic 55 year old with a frail ego and a God complex.
He realises that his entire existence is a waste because his own mother had him to get herself a better life.
@TanfromAustralia
Whatever your beef with Danny, it's disgraceful for you to bring his mother into it!
Ridiculous to state he should not be offended if not true! Insults are offensive true or false. In fact, is this not libelous? As a lawyer you would know.
What a racist. We can't generalize that all Filipino women are opportunistic as what this article trying to visualize. My sister (Pinay) was married to African-American for 7years with 2 lovely daughters seems so happy with her simple life in US. The writer got a poor insight about Pinay and obviously did a very lousy research for this article.
How about those American guys that abandoned their Filipino wives ... and children without financial support? I think this is worst than being opportunistic.
Bigotry + ignorance + racism = a complete idiot
@moneycantbuymelove: TanfromAustralia got offended when asked to post his photo and start calling my mother a whore.
TanfromAustralia is an "individual" that will use any word that is so offensive that the only way the other party will behave will the same because just like you said, his state of mentality will sunk to new depths.
Just like I said before: There are whores too in Vietnam but I would not generalize because I do not want to disrespect Tanfromaustralia mother but when he called my mother a whore, he just broke that thin line.
It is indeed disgraceful for him to bring my mother into it. He can calls anybody names but do not include each mother or father into this conversation.
My mother and father had a good marriage that last tills my father died of throat cancer for smoking and my mother died recently of old age.
Yes, I am a Fil/Am, 55 years old and proud of it and that picture that I posted is me and I am not pretending to be a Lawyer, a young bodybuilder or a very wealthy individual but instead I belong to the middle class. I do work for the U.S government for 9 years till present after serving in the U.S army for 14 years.
@ tanfromAustralia: My decease mother is not a whore.
Here is the comment I posted before you broke that thin line, TranfromAustralia:
“I would not place my professionalism to your level by saying that all Vietnamese women were whores because I do not want to offend your mother and therefore I am refraining myself to say it”.
You have no professionalism. You are just an 55 year old wanker who cannot act his age.
Stop making comments about my personal life and I will do the same.
Don't take the high road and appear indignant when all you have done in this entire thread is to stir shit.
It is too late. You already started a fire. At least, At 55 years old, I still look good than you, that is why you do not had the guts to show a photo of yourself. Let us see that “Lawyer”, 34 years old bodybuilder and wealthy handsome that you proclaim to be. I already see how you look like not only from the outside but also in the inside (Brainless). Do not get jealous if your boyfriend found a Filipino woman to marry. It is his life and decision that whom he wanted to be with and it’s not yours.
I am 55 years old but all my co-workers do not believe me till I show them my driver license. They told me that I only look like in my thirties.
I can't speak for all Filipinas but most in my opinion seem to be a little bit more promiscuous. I am talking about the ones that grew up in the Philippines then moved to the US. I am in my mid thirties and started working with a attractive Filipina in her early forties about three years ago. She has been married for 20 years to an older American men 50. We started hanging out socially outside work. There was a strong attraction between us coupled with her traditional upbringing and being naive with men. To be honest it was like shooting fish in a barrel with her. Inside of six months I coaxed her into giving me oral sex regularly. We have been doing this for over two years now. Her husband does not know and she seems to enjoy it, so we continue. This is just one example from my point of view.
@Shimy
You coaxed another man's wife into that? Shame on you both! Poor hubby.
@Shimy - its not filipinas. Its the person's character. I know a lot of white women too who are much worse. But I do not say most white women are whores. You should really look at yourself too. Stop bragging coz we are not impressed by your sexual conquest. I believe you are one of those men who Doc categorized as "stupid, spineless and pathetic" nothing to be proud about that.
@ TanfromAustralia: The only negative that you can throw at me is my age, which I do not deny because it's not my style to proclaim that I am someone I am not, like you do. I do not deny my age and also had the guts to show my photo is only a proof that I look young for my age and that I'm a confident person not like you.
There is also a FALSE ALLEGATION from you that me being 55 years old that I am ones who go on SEX HOLIDAYS in poor country and exploit poor women is totally INACCURATE. All of those experience is while I am young and still in the U.S Army that is why I get to travel and get station in Germany, Korea, Japan and also get to travel to Vietnam and Amsterdam but only after getting a security briefing from the military.
Yes, you are right that I pay for their services in Vietnam when I was in the U.S Army.
Here is the only comment I said when I am in my 40+ to50+:
I go to Philippines every year in the last 8 years and going back this April 2012 for 1 month. I always see all the Australians hanging around the place they called ‘The Strip” which is full of nightclubs and bar just outside former Clark air Base looking for love. This is totally insane then they complaint being scam? You would get scam in a nightclub or bar, Period! Just buying a drink in there, the club is making too much money on you or if you buy a woman a drink, you also double the profit that they are making from you. The problem with Australians like Tan, is that they do not expect to be scam in a nightclubs or bars. I STAY AWAY FROM THOSE NIGHTCLUB AND HANG AROUND THE COMEDY BAR, KARAOKE BAR AND ALSO GO SEE LIVE BAND SHOW where you also get to meet classy, respectable women that drive their own cars. (And those classy, respectable women are now my friends because we all go to same places that we like). I also met and have sexual contact with American, German, Japanese women when I was in the U.S ARMY.
One statement I made too: I do not look like a Filipino and I rate myself at 8 out of 10. I am good-looking and grew up with my parents in Philippines but you might not believe it that I only went around FOUR times in my WHOLE LIFE inside a strip club or bar JUST BECAUSE MY FRIENDS INVITED ME TO GO.
You TWISTED that one as if at 55 years of age, I am one who goes on sex holidays in poor country and exploit poor women. Where the hell you got that comment from me claiming that in my own admission that I had to pay for sex when I am 55 years old? Read on all my post prior to opening up inaccurate statement. Everything that I commented about sex holidays is while I’m in the U.S Army because we party a lot because we are wild and single by then. Korea is a tourist spot for sex when I was station there that is why I went to Vietnam.
Copy and paste the comment where I said that I had sex holidays in my 50’s, Idiot. Put a date too when I said that I went to Vietnam? How can you be a “Lawyer” if you cannot even read a simple comment? You are assuming right away which an actual “Lawyer” do not do. Why go to Vietnam now that I am not in the military no more if I can visit my relatives in Philippines and get to travel to places like Boracay and Palawan where the nature beauty is available for me to enjoy plus the karaoke bars for I like singing?
Kuya Dan wag mo na kase pansinin yang vietcong. Yan ang gusto nya, na ma pansin. Ksp yan eh bobo naman.
@LiluVrai: I'm ok. I do not need to get into an argument with this racist fool. A racist will always be a racist. A fool will always be a fool. You cannot change their opinion. What I do not get is that it's coming from a fellow Asian.Take it easy, LiluVrai. Got to work.
Dan, you're a dickhead. Any don't refer to me as a "fellow Asian".
I am 100% Asian.
You are the 1/2 filipino bastard of some whore who gave birth to you as her meal ticket and her passport out of her original country.
Wanker.
Chillax Tan. You're losing your lawyer-cool poise.
@LiluVrai & @moneycantbuymelove
I understand what you're saying I was just sharing a personal story of my Filipina experience. To this topic that it relates too. My Filipina friend is not a worse. She is a loving wife and mother of two. She gives me oral sex out of a signing of respect and admiration towards me. After all I've done to help her in the past. If anything I am the guilty one. I recognized her timid and subservient ways and coaxed her into it. I know she is married but consuming my seed once in awhile is hardly the worst thing for her or her family.
Shimy1234 you need PSYCHIATRIC HELP.
What a sick world we live in.
@Doc' - I couldn't agree more.
At least he is honest.
Yes Tan.. I can see your feeble mind taking that as honesty. You're ONLY 34 years old? So how long have you been a lawyer? About 8 years i bet.
LiluVrai:
Why do you find it hard to believe what he is saying?
Oh I never said I didnt believe him. What I couldn't believe is you seeing it as HONESTY and making it sound like it is admirable! A man who shares THAT kind of information in public is not honest Tan. There's a term for that...
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the psychological profile of Shimy1234 would be under "paraphilias" which is a subcategory of sexual and gender identity disorders.
He may be "honest" about it but he is psychologically ill. He needs help. And you will be doing the world a great injustice if you are ENCOURAGING or even commending that kind of deviant behavior.
Do us all a favor. Be the intelligent lawyer you claim to be and stop thinking like an imbecile.
It takes 2 people to participate. Reality is reality. There is nothing to admire or condemn.
Don't medically diagnose anyone unless you know what you are talking about.
I do know what I am talking about. That's why I can.
And shimy sounds awfully familiar... wait... he sounds like YOU. and I checked, he just registered 9 hours ago.
shimy1234 = TanfromAustralia???
C'mon Tan, you can do better than sign up as a different user to make it appear like more men think like you.
It's not me. Don't be an idiot.
I don't have that much free time.
I am not the only person who shares my views about this issue.
You sound really stupid.
Maybe you need to get another hobby as well.
Moron.
@liluvirai..sige asarin mo pa yan tanfromaus.nakakaasarrr sya.........yabang bobo nmn.....hirap makipag talo sa bobo....thanks in advance di na ko mag po post mag babasa nalng ako ng pag tatalo ditu heheheh .....
From now on, I will no longer take shit from the 2 trolls who have attempted to hijack this thread and attempted to derail intelligent discussion as well as trying to drive other posters away.
I will respond to people in exactly the way they respond to me.
Open up intelligent discussion with me and I will respond in the same manner.
Try to start shit with me and I will burn away at you like an acid.
Danny and LinuVrai, you cunts, the last thing I want you to think is that I am going anywhere...
LinuVrai, I assure you that I am not shimy1234.
I don't think he made his point eloquently. He made it in a vulgar way, which is in bad taste.
However, he still has a point.
You just find it hard to accept that the majority of non-filipino men view filipinas as whores because that is what the majority of them are.
His own experience exposes the 2 faces of your kind, the good wholesome girl image who is in a committed marriage and then having an affair on the side...to keep her options open.
Dan, get over yourself you deluded wanker.
Did you post up your own photo to prove to everyone that you are good looking...or was it to prove to yourself?
You have a face like a monkey's buttock, which is why you would have to pay for sex. With a wanker personality like yours and the emotional maturity of a 5 year old child, you are delusional if you think that you could ever have a long term relationship with an attractive woman who could not exploit you financially.
Have you been divorced before? More than once? That would be my guess.
@LiluVrai: Si TanGA at si Shimy1234 ay iisa lang yan. kasi kahit ako ay napalitan ko agad ng Dan ang pangalan ko. Si Vietcong ay mapapalitan rin niya ang pangalan niya. Mas mabuti kung ignore mo na lang siya at para bang pinag-uusapan natin siya sa Tagalog, ha ha ha. Same thing that I said in my comment that when I was in the Army, a blonde white woman that I met in a bar took me home with her and after everything is done, there is a knock on her door and start someone is calling for "mommy".I asked her that I do not know that she had a child and her response is that she is also married and that her husband who is a captain in the U.S Army, is in the field and that is when I took off for I do not need any trouble with a Captain. I guess, she just not getting any satisfaction with her husband so she decided to take one home and it happened to be me. I do not think all of them are like that though.
Pay for sex? You are pertaining to yourself, faggot. still bitter that your boyfriend dump you for a Filipino woman? Never been divorced and I am happily married that is why me and my wife will go to Boracay and Palawan on our 30th wedding anniversary this April. If you want to go, I'll pay for the food, housing for you in Boracay or Palawan, if you want to? Stay out of the club and that is my only advice from you.
So..you're 55 years old now, had a paid for sex experience in your 20s overseas...does that mean you cheated on your wife to whom you've been married for 30 years?
You're such a dickhead that you couldn't do the maths correctly.
Does your wife really exist as a person or is she merely a blow up doll that you use to satisfy yourself with?
It's hard to believe that any real life woman (who you are not paying) could have any toleration for a wanker like you.
I like that picture of you holding the gun. The gun represents the penis you wish you had, but don't...
You are just bitter that 1/2 of who you are came from a whore. If I were you, I would find that really hard to accept, too. If sort of makes your entire existence an utter waste of time...
As for that filipina whore who is about to marry my best friend, I finally convinced him to make her sign a prenuptial agreement as a condition of their marriage.
So when she walks away, she walks away with nothing. She came with nothing and will leave with nothing.
That is my wedding gift to her.
@LiluVrai: That is how sick of a male whore is Tan himself by fantasizing that he is now a white boy name, Shimy1234. I was about to tell you that, but I got to work. He cannot get any women, not even a whore so he just wank himself while proclaiming that he is Shimy1234. That how sick is the person he are talking to. And for you information, this idiot is not even a "lawyer" as he proclaim. He had no life, no money, and no girlfriend and for sure he has no Australian wife. There is no way a human will have a desire to an Ugly Asian Vietnamese. That is why the entire artist in Philippines is half American, half Australian, and half German. Name me an artist in Philippines that is half Filipino/Vietnamese? Never had one. Know Why? Filipino women would not mess around with Vietnamese because they all filthy animals. They rather married an Australian or American or even German so they could have a better-looking offspring and that’s a fact. Why mixed a Filipino blood with dog blood (Vietnamese). It does not make sense because Vietnamese male are the one that look like monkeys. Common, tan. Show us that monkey face, Lol. You are nothing but a Male whore (Faggot) and that also goes to your sisters, your mother who is the real whore and your Vietcong father. You can call me names and that does not bother me anymore. One thing I am sure that you are nothing compare to my lifestyle and for sure, I makes more money than you that is why I get to travel every year or twice a year in Philippines while you stay in your shack. I saw those shacks where all immigrant like you and your families live and they sure do burn real fast. You are not even on the middle class. How much do you makes? I’m talking in Australian dollar? “Lawyer” my ass.
At least, I am 1/2 whore while you,Tan and your families were 100% whores. The Filipino women still takes your boyfriend away from you no matter what you do, Lol.
@LiluVrai
Rise Above and Step Away.
@TanfromAustralia: You are a "Lawyer" and you cannot even subtract? 55 years-20years=35years. 35 years is bigger than 30 years so it means to say that you are an idiot that do not even completed grade school basic math. I said that me and my wife were celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary and that leaves another 5 years of me being single,stupid ass Vietnamese.
Goodnight,LiluVrai and to idiot whore,Tanfromass. It's my bedtime. Night.
@Doc' - I am. :)
A man who has resorted to name calling using words such as wanker, whore, idiot,cunt and says things like "You have a face like a monkey's buttock" and still claims that HE IS THE INTELLIGENT ONE, while the rest have derailed intelligent discussion is, clearly deluded and not worth anybody's time.
"An ASS always loves to hear himself bray."
Thank you Doc' for reminding me to go back to my level.
Rising ABOVE AND STEPPING away now....
@Doc'
And I read this racist technique before. Its the usage of vulgar words to make people shut up.
For some reason, racist folks seem to get a false sense of victory when they call someone "cunt" and that person ignores them. They think that's a WIN.
@pamela - oo tama ka, mahirap talaga makipag talo sa bobo! Sobrang T.H. pa nya ha. panggap na abogado daw para mapagkatiwalaan ang mga sinasabi nya. Pero hayaan na natin sya mag wakwak dito kase alam mo, mas ma aasar yan pag wala nang pumapansin sa kanyang mga post.
Sabi ko nga kay Kuya Dan eh, wag nang pumatol. kase yan ang gusto nya. Na may makipag talo sa kanya. KSP na bading yan! obvious naman diba? Kaya hinahayaan ko syang mag mura at di ko minumura in return. kase yan yung gusto nya, para lumabas na tayo ang bastos. so ngayon, mas mabuti kung deadmahin na natin yang unggoy na yan.
Dan, you are the one who comes from a country whose primary economy is driven by prostitution in its various forms. That is the only real job your women have, including your mother.
Yout men are scammers and hustlers.
Which is why the Philippines is a thriving economy.
@LiluVrai: Mag-umpisa ngayon ay matagalog tayo at huwag natin papasinin ang mga sinasabi ni Tan na iyan. Bastos na at siya rin yung si shimy1234 na nagpapanggap na di siya kaya nang tanungin mo siya na iisa lang sila ay duon siya nagalit sa iyo at duon na rin siya naging vulgar sa iyo kasi nga ay duon mo nalaman kung gaanong ka-desperado siya na me kumampi sa kanya. Ako ay i-ignore ko na lang buhat ngayon ang mga sinasabi niya at nang sa ganon ay lalu siyang mag-mukhang tanga. Gawin nating Filipino site ito, ha ha ha.
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@LiluVrai: Bakla nga siguro yang si Tan kasi mahal na mahal niya ang boyfriend niya na na-agaw ng isang Filipina, ha ha ha. Tingnan mo at di ko naman papasinin ang mga insulto niya dahil pabalik balik na lang yan. Puta ke Tan sa tingin niya ang lahat ng mga Pinay dahil sigurado me na-experience yan at di na dapat tanungin pa. Halata naman sa mga comment niya na bakla siya. Tingin niya sa baril ay ari ng lalaki then panay topic niya ay masturbation, e di bakla nga itong si Tan, ha ha ha. Siguradong maiinis yan dahil di maintindihan ang mga sinasabi natin. Tama ka, KSP lang ang baklang yan, ha ha ha
Pagsumasagot ka ay sa Tagalog na rin nang lalong mainis yan, ha ha ha
@LiluVrai:O, sige at punta pa ako sa work. Huwag mo na lang pansinin yang si TANga, ay si bakla pala, ha ha ha. Ingat na lang.Have a nice day @LiluVrai. Later.Bye.
@Dan - True. Kaya nga wag na pansinin. mag interact na lang tayo sa ibang tao na hindi bastos. Tapos kuya Dan, ang style nya kase eh mag salita ng bastos at mag hagis ng insulto para maka kuha pansin sa mga tao.
'wag na nating bigyan pansin ang KULANG SA PANSIN. Baka mas lalo syang ma bilib sa sarili nya pag ganun. LOL
I can see why everyone is so defensive and trying to derail this thread.
You don't want the truth to cripple your country economically as it is a nation whose main economy is sex tourism.
Sex tourism is really only the Philippine's gift to the world, whereas the Greeks gave us mathematics and the French gave us fine culture.
For a nation where the internet cafe business is booming and it is the hobby of young girls to scam men over the internet and the filipino men are too lazy to work, it is obvious that your economy will implode, which is why most of you want to get out.
LiluVrai: Ha ha ha. Tama ka diyan, LiluVrai. KSP lang yang kaya nga tignan mo at sarili na lang niya ang kinaka-usap niya, ha ha ha. Kasi ang mga Baklang Vietcong na yan ay naka-punta lang sa Australia ay akala mo ay sino na pero di naman lahat dahil isa sa mga co-worker ko ay Vietnamese at humble kung mag-salita. Yan lang baklang yan di nakarating sa reality na pinalitan siya ng boyfriend niya sa isang Pinay, ha ha ha.Mga Asylum seeker ay daig pa ng puta dahil para silang mga parasites. Kumakalat yan, ha ha ha. O, sige got to work na. Ingat.
Dan, you are still a wanker even if you wrote in another language. People can see through the language veil. Wankers speak an international language that everyone else can understand...
@Dan - Have fun at work! I'm off today. I like helping people but sometimes being away from patients is a welcoming relief. I'm watching a pretty interesting series and this episode is titled "The Wannabe in the Weeds"
I find that coincidentally funny.
Ingat!
Dan, you wanker, perhaps filipinas don't want to marry Vietnamese men, but it seems filipinas don't want to marry their own filipino men, either, because filipino men are lazy leeches whom don't want to accept that they have to work for a living. They want to pimp out their mothers, sisters and daughters to Western men and rely on the money of Western men to support themselves. Some filipino men don't even mind other men having sex with their wives or girlfriends as long as the bills get paid.
Filipino men are such losers that filipinas have to prostitute themselves to Western men in order to survive.
Remember that before you criticise Vietnamese men. I actually have to work for a living and don't have to rely on anyone else to survive.
If filipinas prefer to marry their own filipino men, then tell me why the majority of them are prostituting themselves to get a visa out of their shit infested country. That is what your own mother did, remember?
And Dan, don't presume that you earn more money than me because you have no idea what money I earn.
And I don't live in a "shack". I live in a 9 bedroom house that is all paid off and has no mortgage.
I holiday 2 times a year and tend to visit New York or Europe.
Why the fuck would I want to go to shit infested places like Manila when there is so much filth there, a place that largely contains prostitutes, hustlers and scam artists?
ay grabeh na talaga yang tanfromyass ang mga sinasabi ..hahhahahah asar talo.buti nga sayoo!!! blah blah blah....
ay grabeh na talaga yang tanfromyass ang mga sinasabi ..hahhahahah asar talo.buti nga sayoo!!! blah blah blah....
@luivrai.thanks po..wag na nga po pansinin si tanga..hahahhahaha para mas lalo syang maasar...halata nga pong bakla..ayaw patalo.panggap panggap pa..hahhahahahahha hayaan na nga lang po....tanhs in advance..@dan kuya....bakla nga po
@pam - wag nang banggitin kahit pangalan nya sa comment. kase mababasa nya pa rin yun at baka akalain na pinag uusapan pa rin sya. so tawagin na lang natin syang unggoy. Ang uggoy na palaboy laboy ang kwento wala namang kabuluhan.
How do you say "prostitute" in Tagalog? That word would have common usage in your country. It's what most women do for a living over there...
ay opo te@lulivrai..unggoy palaka pa po ..hehehhhe baka mukha syang palaka hahahahhahahahh.bakla...
@pam - pathetic, right?
Does that translate in English to: "I really love you and not my spouse visa application?"
@TanfromAustralia
Prostitute in tagalog....Puta
@pamela
bakla? hahahahahaha. Sinabay mo kinantot ang nanay at tatay mo habang yung kapatid mo nanonood. Karida puta
@lulivrai yes..pathetic...
Um... What is the tagalog words for "I need money because my mother is sick and in the hospital?"
Is there a tagalog term for "Western Union" or "money transfer"?
I need to know just in case I decide to resume my immigration law career.
I need to know the phrases filipinas use most common so I can advise my male clients.
Guess which country gave us the "bakla"? It was the Philippines, not Vietnam.
@pamela at LiluVrai: Hayan at di na makapag-usap si bakla sa inyo kaya panay na lang salita sa kanyang sarili dahil nasisiraan na ng utak kung meron man yan, ha ha ha. Mayaman raw siya at magandang lalaki pero di naman maipakita ang cake face niya, ha ha ha. Asian nga yan kaya pangit di tulad natin na me lahi nang Spanish kaya nga mga last name natin ay hango sa spanish. huwag ninyong sasagutin ang mga sinasabi niya at lalong magwawala yan, ha ha ha. Tulad ng sabi ko, daig pa ng mga asylum seeker ang mga puta dahil mga parasites ang mga yan, ha ha ha. Tama at unggoy na lang ang tawag natin nang di alam na siya ang pinag-uusapan natin,Lol.
@kuya dan tama po kayo ,kulang lng sa pansin yan...nag hahanap?lng po siguro ng makakaaway nya,,hahahhahahah sorry sya wala na papasin sa kanya.hahhahhahahhah kaloka..hanap nlng po sya nang sasagut ulit sa kanya.hahahhahahhahah.god bless po kuya DAN at ate lulivrai byee....na po
Still speaking that wanker language called Wankish, dickhead?
How do you say "frail ego" and "small dick" in Wankish? I want some terms to refer to you.
@pamela: Goodnight na rin sa inyo ni LiluVrai at bedtime ko na. Di ko na papatulan ang uggoy na ito,Lol. Ingat kayo lagi diyan. Goodnight.
@pam and dan - also check this website suggested by Doc' if you have time. I found interesting data here:
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml,
"The only exceptions to this trend of declining rates of White-Asian marriages were for Asian Indian women/wives (whose rate slightly increased from 2006 to 2010) and for both Vietnamese men/husbands and women/wives.
***** For Vietnamese men, their rates of marriage to a White wife increased from 15.0% to 21.9% while for Vietnamese women, their rate for having a White husband jumped from 28.3% to 41.3%."
Do you know what this empirical research means pam? It means that Vietnamese, both men and women, prefer marrying White people rather than their own. I wonder why...
Why would someone want to find love in other countries if they know that they can find it in there own country? That's the question I would like you to answer before commenting bad about Filipinos. If they have complaints for Filipinos, they shouldn't have married one and instead look for someone trust worthy in their own country, why look for love from our country? They should have known better. I'm a Filipina and am proud of it. I agree though that some of my fellow countrymen are scums (I blame it on poverty and poverty blames it on the government, which I'm not very proud of) but think about it, would you want to marry someone from a different place if you already found someone from where you came from? you, looking or finding someone from different places, prove that you can't find someone ideal also from your place. I don't know about you but what I just pointed makes sense to me.
advice to all of you (and to myself as well) - look for love from your country first before going to other places. If you can't find it in your country, don't be bitter or a grouch if you also can't find it in other countries (It's just the same). Don't stop searching for true love, it's a trial-and-error thing, I believe that there is a special someone for all of us.
Last advice, if you really can't find it or someone keeps leaving you, you should just look for a mirror and see yourself. Maybe the problem is you.
-from 'once a heartbroken girl'
Dont worry cay. Some people just prefer to put blame on everyone else other than themselves. Its worse when the person is an ignorant racist.
@yackkay:
I do agree with a lot of what you said.
I am not arguing that these Western men are smart. They are stupid. They should have stayed home in their own country. A lot of these men have character flaws, personality problems and low self-esteem issues.
However, it is still human nature to want to love and be loved back.
These men go to poor countries where the women pretend to love and accept them no matter what. This is where the scam comes in. It is obvious who is the victim and who is the perpetrator.
Remember that I am admitting that these men are stupid, but being stupid does not mean they deserve it. The scammers are the people who are more morally culpable.
I am tired of hearing the pro-filipina argument of "these men are stupid, if they can't find a woman in their country, why would they think they can find one in the Philippines?"
The answer is that these women prey on men. And that statement does not recognise that is wrong to scam someone regardless of the fact that they might be "stupid".
Discussion should focus on who is scamming who rather than as to whether one is stupid enough to be scammed.
LinuVrai:
I am not sure whether those figures are correct, but even if they were, I know enough about my own culture to know that Vietnamese people do not set out to deliberately marry interracially.
We don't view Westerners as prizes we strive to have. On the majority, we prefer to marry our own people.
@LiluVrai: I did check that site and it indeed is a legit site but we are just talking the facts and not (statistic) in the U.S alone not included Australia yet. Who Vietnamese refugee will migrate to Australia and marry their own race after getting out of war and poverty?
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml,
Marriage patterns for six largest Asian American Ethnic Groups (2010)
(Updated Nov.2011)
Vietnamese Men
Other Asian: 13.7 %
White: 21.9 %
Vietnamese Women
Other Asian: 12.2 %
White: 41.3 %
Chinese Men
Other Asian: 14.8 %
White: 26.5 %
Chinese Women
Other Asian: 10.4 %
White: 37.7 %
@LiluVrai: On the same site, “Vietnamese Americans”:I included the Chinese on the list of Marriage patterns of Asian American Ethnic Group because of this same topic on this site. How many of this “Chinese” is Chinese Vietnamese? Here what it state on this report:
From refugees to full American citizens, the Vietnamese American and Chinese Vietnamese American communities have grown to a total of 1.22 million members, making them the fifth-largest group from Asian Pacific America. Community leaders maintain that the Vietnamese continued to be under counted in 2000, primarily for two reasons: under-reporting by the Vietnamese themselves; and because many Chinese Vietnamese identified themselves simply as "Chinese" rather than "Vietnamese." This is according to this article that is a chapter on the major historical events and contemporary characteristics of the Vietnamese American community, excerpted from AsianWeek Magazine and published by the UCLA Asian American Studies Center.
Copyright © 2003 by Chung Hoan Chuong, Minh Hoa Ta, Eric Lai, Dennis Arguelles, AsianWeek Magazine, and the UCLA Asian American Studies Center. Reprinted in accordance with Section 107 of the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976.
Thanks for the Info. I am also beginning to wonder to Why?
This is also one of the best sites: Check it out for it does make sense. Copy and paste:
talk.onevietnam.org/vietnamese-women-marry-foreigners
These organizations that are precipitating these trends have found a strong sense of community within the .ORG domain. This has fueled the phenomenal growth of not only .ORG domains, but also the QUALITY CONTENT and the sense of trust associated with the ".ORG" brand."
Pag nag-reply si Unggoy sa topic na ito ay hayaan na lang ninyo at tuloy lang tayo ng usapan sa Tagalog,Lol.
We have been working on the issue of anti-human trafficking in Vietnam for the past 5.5 years in the Mekong Delta and now at the border of Vietnam-China. The cumulative statistics is much higher than this number, especially once the "channels" of marriage brokers are established. From 2003-2008, more than 30,000 Vietnamese brides have come to Korea. These days, Vietnamese young women pile into a room, strip naked for Korean potential husbands to "look" them over for defects. Vietnamese newspapers have been reporting on these police busts; in one instance, 187 young women were found in one place, 40+ stripped naked in one room where 7 Korean men were "inspecting" the "merchandise". 4 were registered potential husbands, the other 3 were "coming along for a look".
There are several ways to consider this reported incident. My thoughts are:
* The young women did not know that they need to strip, yet do so under duress
* The young women knew that this is what they have to do and decided to strip in order to gain a husband
* The young women knew nothing of their potential husbands
* The young women cannot back out of the deal since their id has been taken away and they are being charged for "room and board" each day of their stay in Saigon to look for a husband
All of these circumstances still reek of the risk of being trafficked. We have asked the question outloud: In Vietnamese early morning markets, would you dare to touch a piece of meat and/or be brave enough to turn it over, and then walk away instead of buying? You would be risking all of your ancestors' honors at the hollering of the merchants. Yet many (in the thousands) young Vietnamese women today feel that this would be required of them to gain their "freedom". They still feel the same traditional way about "m? hàng" at the market.
I would also add that these types of mass arranged marriages are NOT considered human trafficking. Not by the foreign government and not by the Vietnamese government. About 10,000 women are to marry this year to Korea. Probably similar number to Taiwan. It is difficult to see the likeliness of marital bliss. Tragedies abound for those who return to stay in VN. No stats on that either.
A side point: I am hard pressed to find an incident where bus loads of Vietnamese women from the Delta poured into small street corners in some known areas of Saigon for overseas Vietnamese to inspect for "defects".
Chao b?n,
Don’t get me wrong. VN has lots of beautiful places such as Ha Long Bay, Hoi An, it's beautiful and peaceful! It’s just the foreigners that are ruining the country. Just visit and explore the natural beauty of the country and not to degrade the women.
Tam biet.
This is just proof that it is a global problem and not one that is prevalent in a specific country. Thanks for sharing the info.
Diep Vuong : a country in and of itself is beautiful. Your country and people are beautiful. It is unfortunate that opportunists abound and prey on those who are not wary.
DANLOVEFILIPINA: Interesting stats you presented, but I noticed you selectively excluded the Philippines. Went to the website you cited and noticed The Philippines has the second highest percentage of women marrying outside their race. Japanese had the highest and Asian Indian lowest. Vietnamese and Chinese were 4th and 5th respectively. Just an observation.
Hi halwick - i suggest you read the entire thread. :) you'll understand why Dan did that.
Halwick:
Good observation. I didn't bother wasting my time responding to him because I suspected his information was skewed. It is just his desperate attempt to camoflage the real issues being debated in this thread.
Yes, Vietnamese people like every other nationality, do marry outside of their own nationality, but so fucking what? It is not exactly the epiphany of the century.
The real issue is filipinas who marry primarily for economic and migration reasons.
Those statistics he presented does not appear to distinguish between people who marry interacially per se and those who marry interracially for purely economic and migration reasons.
Using my own situation as an example, I married an Australian woman in Australia for reasons which are not economic or migration related...
If we are going to discuss this, let's try to stay on topic instead of going off on divergents...
Oh and the deluded racist decides to enlighten everyone again with his juvenile and senseless, illogical dribble. *yawn* somebody wake me up please, when something more interesting comes up.
Yes, I've followed this entire thread and noticed how he (and a couple others) have lately made derogatory comments to anyone who makes less-than-favourable comments about Philippine cultural traits. TanFromAustralia's comments are not too dissimilar from what many readers/contributers in other ex-pat websites, i.e., happierabroad.com and stickmanbangkok.com have stayed about the Philippines culture. In the "reader's submission" section in stickmanbangkok.com there is a 15-part story titled "Told You So" about a man married to a thirty-something "good" (read non bargirl) Filipina that echoes many of the warnings the original poster of this thread warned about. Worth reading.
Let's get back to discussing the original poster's premise in a civil manner and leave out the personal comments. Peace.
Amazing. Reminds me of reading the novel Sybil. You know what, I stick with Doc'. He's the most credible and respectable commenter here. Kuya Dan atbp: wag nang pansinin yang unggoy na yan at ang bagong unggoy. Gumawa na naman yata ng bagong pangalan para kunwari may kakampi. Lokaret na yan. Dapat tapon na sa mental.
for the misinformed, reposting Doc's brilliant observations:
Doc' 7 days ago
When "UltraMagnus" first posted this hub over 2 years ago, I seriously doubt he had any idea this subject would progress as far as it has. Over a long period of time this subject has taken on a life of it's own because so many have an interest or involvement in simular situations, both positive and negative. Some come here seeking information, others are here to voice an opinion, whatever the reason, this subject generates great interest and passion across a broad spectrum. The same can be said about those who are interested in a relationship with a Filipina, I myself am engaged to a very fine Filipina and came here seeking information related to Fi-American marriages. A very large number of men such as myself from all over the world are also interested in Filipina's for a multitude of reasons, but primarily because they find the particular qualities and beauty of Filipina's so attractive.
In many, many ways, a Filipina does indeed make a "perfect wife" simply because of who she is as a Filipina. Tradition and upbringing play a large roll in that but, there is no denying that Filipina's are world reknown for their unique qualities as women. At this point I must remind the readers here that any reputation whether it be positive or negative, always has a foundation based in truth. There is always a true reason and cause for any given reputation. In this case, we are discussing both the positive and negative related to Filipina's and I believe far too much emphasis has been placed on the negative. When you take into consideration the population of over 8 million people in the Philippines and correlate it to the relatively very small number of "scammers" at the heart of this discussion, I think you'll find that the percentage is no greater in the Philippines than can be found anywhere else in the world. Much has been said here about the "bad" reputation of Filipina's which is undoubtedly also justified to a certain extent, but when you are talking about the "undesirables" and scammers of the world, it is simply stupid and absurd to imply or assert that this is a uniquely Filipina problem or furthermore, that it is any more pervasive in the Philippines than anywhere else in the world. If anything, I think more attention has been focused on Filipina's simply because the Philippines is somewhat more technologically advanced than many other less developed countries and therefore are more "visible" via the internet. Add to that the fact that a very small segment of the population in the Philippines has chosen to abuse that technology (the internet) and you can begin to understand why the "problem" seems to be more magnified in the Philippines. (This very forum is a good example) Another contributing factor may be that the Philippines is a very Westernized country and therefore is a much easier location for a disproportional number of English speaking men to approach. In addition, there is a longstanding history of legal migration from the Philippines to the United States and other 1st world countries worldwide which means a larger number of people are aware of what may be available in the Philippines relationship wise. One must ask themself, why indeed are so many seeking relationships with Filipina's if the emphasis of this discussion is as pervasive as is claimed in this forum?
But make no mistake about it, this exact same type of scam and exploitation can be found literally anywhere on the planet. Every country, every population, has it's own unsavory segment of the population which preys upon the vulnerable and exploits unsuspecting victims. And the internet has become the chosen method of operation for scammers of all types worldwide. Equally so, millions of people worldwide now utilize the internet daily for all sorts of reasons. From purchasing goods to seeking relationships, the internet is a very common means of communication. Is it any surprise that the scammers worldwide have chosen to exploit that fact? Whatever the "product" may be, Viagra, medicines, lottery tickets, poor starving kids in Nigeria etc..etc.. the typical scammer always targets those whom are most likely to respond......The Stupid! Personally, I have zero pity for anyone who would willingly divulge their bank account info to an anonymous email or believe they can click a mouse and obtain something as important and critical as a marriage. And need I remind anyone, there is no shortage of stupidity in this world. To quote P.T. Barnum; "there's a sucker born every minute". There will forever be a scammer ready to victimize every sucker out there, get used to it.
Now, I shall address a few things specifically. First, I notice two primary types of commenter's here; Those who have an axe to grind, and those who are rightfully trying to defend the obvious one-sided and unfounded slander against an entire Nation of females. People like "objectivelyspeaking" (even her name is a ridiculous falsity considering she always comments SUBjectively) who claims to be so involved in this discussion simply because "a friend" has been allegedly wronged in the past by some anonymous Filipina. Her type of vitriol and hatred is sadly as common as it is sickening. I very seriously doubt that she came here and monopolized the thread simply because of a single case of alleged wrongdoing. More likely she came here because she fully intended to slander and blame as many as she could because she herself feels "victimized" by a Filipina. I notice she mentions having children but never once mentions a husband. Is it possible he dumped her obviously malicious, vindictive and hateful ass in favor of a much more desirable Filipina? Hmmm...I wonder. One must ask themself, "would I bother to go to all the effort of accusing and blaming an entire Nation of females in a public forum day after day simply because some "friend" had a single "bad" experience"? Would you? I think not. From her very lengthy and venomous comments I'd say she does in fact "have an axe to grind". Go figure.
Or take for example "tanfromaustralia" who came here claiming exactly like "objectivelyspeaking" did to have a "friend" whom has somehow been "victimized" by yet another anonymous Filipina. Again, I very seriously doubt his true intentions and furthermore I somehow sense a rather "un-natural" attraction to his alleged "friend". A good friend is a treasure indeed for anyone but, a true friend would never intrude into the most personal aspect of anothers life, especially not in a public forum like this. Is it possible that he too "has an axe to grind"? Hmm....I wonder.
Then you have the 3rd type of commenter, the typical pathetic "sad-sack", "woe always me" type that comes here to whine and complain about how badly he's been wronged by a Filipina. Guys like that (I refuse to address them as Men) fall into the afore mentioned category of "stupid". They go online and/or to the well known and obvious lowest places on earth (ie..whorehouses and bar districts) (in a 3rd world country no less) in search of a WIFE??? Give me a break!!! These are the same types that cause such hatred among many decent Filipina's because they represent the most pathetic and perverse type of "man" on earth. They give all Westerners a bad name! They end up in places like that because no decent woman in their own country would even consider them for dating much less marriage. Spineless, pathetic, immature and completely out of touch with reality, they are the most desperate and despicable of all in my opinion, then they have the audacity to come to a public forum like this and complain and blame others for their own inadequacies??? Disgusting! Again, I have zero pity for such fools.
While I agree that there are no doubt some "legitimate victims" out there, and I can sympathize with those few, the vast majority of these whiners have been complaining and blaming others all of their pathetic, miserable lives and they always will no matter who they become involved with. Is anyone really surprised that there will always be a parade of scammers out there (everywhere
Doc is not "credible" because he merely agrees with you.
Doc is a deluded idiot who has his head so far up his arse and he won't know what hit him when he finally gets stung. He will come crashing back to reality then...
Doc' 7 days ago
--Continued--
pounce on the fools of the world? I say they were made for each other.
The worst part of the ridiculous and false comments made on a public forum like this, is that they will wrongly influence and dissuade many who came here simply seeking relative information to their own potential relationships. My comments are designed to defeat that type of disgusting vitriol and allow others to recognize that a vast majority of those whom have relationships with Filipina's are immensely happy and perfectly satisfied in so many ways, myself included. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I have found the greatest gift of all, True Love. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I am a better man. May everyone experience the same in their own lives.
I'm sure my comments will garner much response both positive and negative, I'll probably not bother to respond afterwards as I have already expressed my opinions and have no need to "defend" myself against the inevitable attacks from those who spend their entire lives accusing and blaming others. My purpose has already been achieved by making sure that future visitors here have at least an opportunity to hear the truth related to this important issue. There are good and bad people all over this world, as in all things, choose wisely. May each of you find the True Love we all seek.
LinuVrai:
Requoting some deluded idiot does not make you right...it just makes you deluded as well.
*watching my favorite show now*
goodnight to the people who spread love and peace.
goodluck to the attention-seeking racists, coz nobody wants to talk to them anymore. boohoo.
Halwick:
I take some responsibility for the disintegration of this thread as well, but some people kept personally attacking me and making up lies about me.
The last thing I want Dan to think is that he can intimidate or harrass people away from this thread. He has already driven a few good posters away.
I just don't want him to think that it could work with me.
Why should I be intimdated by some dickhead who is older, dumber and deluded?
All these philipinas are nothing but live in hookers if you think about it. These guys that pick them up on the internet are pedophiles or the kind of guy that picks up hookers off the street. These women figure they may as well keep banging one ugly guy all their life for money than multiple guys for alot less in the phillipines. Most of them start hoarding secret stashes and send money to their pimps back home (their parents) its a joke. I know a guy who is 62 years old and just married a 29 yr old girl from there and every time I see them together its just wrong it looks more like father and daughter. It will be interesting to see what happens after she gets her card. If you think about it though men and women who are like that deserve each other. Question is whos getting screwed at the end.
@ bob hoper:
The men get screwed in the end whilst the whores get their green card and their freedom.
I disagree with you about your comments about the men. A lot of my former clients were decent, generous men who were looking for genuine love.
These men avoided the bars and strip clubs. They thought they found really nice "traditional" women who respected family values, but it was all an act these women put on.
I think the real problem is that the concept of prostitution is so ingrained in filipino culture that these women don't realise that they are prostituting themselves through marriage for economic and migration reasons.
As I said before, prostitution is not just selling one's body for sex. The wider definition of prostitution is the act of selling oneself for a tangible benefit.
What other word but "prostitution" applies in a situation where someone does not marry for love or sexual attraction, but only for economic and migration benefits.
Filipinas should be taught to have more pride in themselves. I think that innately, they could achieve and contribute truly great things if they really wanted to. Filipinas on the majority should stop resorting to various forms of prostitution because it is demeaning to them. They should better educate themselves in order to change themselves and their nation more positively.
Filipino men should stop being so fucking lazy and start learning to support their own women, so that their women would not have to prostitute themselves to Western men...
@LiluVrai: Si bob hoper, Halwick at si Shimy1234 ay si Unggoy rin ang mga yan kaya tingnan mo agad ang attack mode ni Halwick ay parang si Unggoy rin. Halatang halatang di nagbasa ng mga comment natin si Halwick dahil siya si Unggoy na alam na ang topic na pinag-uusapan natin. Ang point ko lang ay kaya di ko sinama ang Filipino ay parang sabihin na talagang meron mga Pinay na me gusto sa mga Amerikano at ganun din ang mga Vietnamese at Chinese pero di ko na magre-reply dahil si Unggoy rin yan. Bakit bigla na lang nagsilitawan ang mga pangalan ay parang di mabasa ang comment ni Mr.Vuong na grabe pa sa Vietnam ang nangyayari at di tulad sa Pinas. Tingnan mo at biglang mawawala na lang ang dalawang kumakampi ke Unggoy.Hayaan mo na lang at kinaka-usap na lang niya ang sarili niya, Lol. Goodnight. Bedtime ko na. Later.
Yes, apart from being losers, it appears that filipino men make no sense, either.
No wonder why filipinas prefer Western men instead of their own filipino men. Western men can actually financially support them.
Filipino men just don't have what it takes to satisfy their own women.
What do you call a filipino man who has a job? An endangered species.
Lol!
@ DAN kuya...hello po.naku po nasisiraan na nga po ng ulo yan..grabeh na po need na nya sa mental mag punta hahahahahhahha........mukha nga pong nagamit nlng sya ng ibat ibang pangalan para kunyari may kakampi sya.
Um, does that translate in English to: "Dan, hello, is your wife a filipina, too?"
Let's not forget that Dan is 1/2 Westerner and 1/2 filipino. His wife probably only married him for his good 1/2 while she is financially supporting his lazy, loser 1/2.
It's what most people would say a "balanced relationship".
Lol!
@pamela: Kung baga sa sulat ng isang tao or pananalita ay parehong pareho ang mga pananalita ng mga nagsilitawan na pangalan, Lol.Iisa lang ang mga iyan at gawagawa lang ni unggoy para me kausap siya,Lol. Sira na itong si Unggoy sa simula pa. Mayaman raw siya pero di sing yaman ni Bill Gates, Lol. Magandang lalaki raw siya at bodybuilder pa pero walang mapakitang picture dahil siguradong mukhang Unggoy. Nang tanungdgin ko kung magkano ang salary niya ay di niya sinabi at sinabi na lang ng me bahay siya na bayad na at me siyam na kuarto, Lol. Di ba ang dapat niyang sinagot na lang,ay me Mansion siya dahil siyam na kuwarto,Lol.
Sa U.S Government ako nagtratrabaho. GS-11/ Step 8 ang designation ko.Base salary:$62,019 + locality pay adjustment of 27.16 which is ($16,844). Bale $78,863 ang sweldo ko kada taon. Ok naman at me trabaho rin si Mrs. sa Viewsonic Corporation. Hiwalay nga lang kami ng bank account, Lol. Ako ang nagbabayad ng Mortgage ay siya naman sa utilities.
Kung “Lawyer” man lang yang si Unggoy ay dapat ay sinabi niya kung magkano ang sweldo niya. Wala naman kukuha sa kanya ng sweldo niya, Lol. Yabang lang yang Baklang yan kaya panay mura na lang sa mga Pinay kaya pabayaan mo na lang makipag-usap sa sarili niya gamit ang kung sinu-sinong pangalan. Masisiraan rin yan ng bait……ay nalimutan ko. Sira na ang pag-iisip niya sa simula pa, lol.
@pamela: Nalimutan kong sabihin na "endangered species" pala ako ayon ke Unggoy. Kung "endangered species" ako ay dapat ay protektahan at pangalagaan ako ni Unggoy, LOL.
well not all pilipina are cheater and user's im married to a pilipina and she was very nice..she's honest sweet and caring,she really love me.she doesnt care for material thing's she doesnt ask for money or go shopping stuff like that..no money involved we are really happy to each other it defend's on the filipina that u meet or where's she's from..actually we have a baby and i will tell to the people that all pilipina are not cheaters and scammer's..you just have to find the right one..
not all pilipina are cheater's liars and scammer's my husband is american but he told me he never felt love with american girls before than the pilipina..becuz american girls cant live a hard life and they always want to have fun go shopping and be a slut..they are mostly cheater's no wonder's american guys want to try asian becuz they can find the love that they want from the american girls.my husband told me when she has an american gf she always lied to him and flirting with different kinds of man..he told me he cant trust white girls..so he marry a pilipina girls,so dont say that pilipina are bad person becuz mostly white girls are the user's
most like the american girl's are cheater's becuz they cant live without money.they are spoiled brat and like's to live like a princess,,i bet if ur job is in macdonald they would cheat on you..
I am married too to a American Mexican lady and I am serving in the military at present. I did not told her that I took an annual leave so I could surprised her when she get out of Stater brothers where she work at. In my surprise, I am sitting outside the parking lot waiting for her lunch hour when she emerge holding hands with a Mexican who I found out work that work as a bagger. I confronted her and her family like me so well that they were angry at her for what she did. We both went on counseling at that is the time she lost a lot of weight and then later she became overweight. Then she even had the nerve to say that the marriage is not working and we need to divorce. I sign it right away.
For years ago and now, I am going to Philippine this month to find me my future wife that my Army buddy who is Filipino already introduce me to his beautiful cousin that I get to know her for talking and seeing her on the internet.I regret that I did not see her right away but for her to stick with me for 3 long years in good conversation say a lot about her and her family. She is 27 and I am only 32 years old half American and Puerto Rican and good looking. Hopefully, my marriage will also be just like my Americans Army buddies married to Philippine women and even had grand children. My Filipino Army buddy told me that his cousin do not need any money for being handsome alone is good enough. I think that is funny one coming from him.
I forgot to mention that she is a registered nurse too. i do not think she needs my money once she's here in the U.S. She will be making more money than I do.
some men are so narrow-minded know-it-all's especially the one here who talks so much about the Filipinos when he is not even one. ha! My question is why does a Vietnamese man who is married to an Australian woman talk so bad about an entire nation of people? His reason? He was so concerned about his male friend marrying a Filipina. Jealousy can be such an ugly thing!
Oh and bob hoper and TanfromAustralia are one and the same person. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. The pathetic dweeb keeps making different accounts to talk to himself because nobody here pays attention to him anymore.
Pam - yes dear. nasisiraan na nga ng ulo yang unggoy na yan. wakwak ng wakwak kala mo kung sinong matalino. isa lang ang problema nyan - bading sya! na TL sa kaibigan nyang lalaki nga ikakasal sa pinay kaya galit na galit! LOL.
wawa naman ng unggoy.... mabilhan nga ng saging ito para tumahimik na! sak sak natin sa baga nya!
LinuVrai, you fuckwit, I don't have to resort to pretend to be other people.
You just can't accept that most non-filipino men think filipinas as whores.
Check out all the other websites out there about this issue.
It's not just me.
You just can't accept the truth. The truth is what it is. Pretending won't make it go away.
Fuckwit.
Listen, stupid bitch, if you think that I am posting as other people, then you are suggesting that I am the only person in this entire thread that shares my views about filipinas.
That would be quite a stretch, wouldn't it?
You're fucking delusional, or you are trying to downplay and whitewash this issue.
Most people aren't stupid enough to think that I am pretending to be other posters.
There are so many men out there whom have been scammed by these whores that their voices and experiences speaks for themselves.
I don't have to pretend to be them.
And I have never dated a filipina before and never been scammed by them, which is why I am not bitter as so claim.
What is it about your retarded intellect that finds that so fucking hard to accept?
Well, the past few comments, especially the ones in Tagalog have been interesting. I see Dan and LiluVral wastes no time dissing and flaming me just because I comment (which he considers a personal attack) on the selective use of exclusionary statistics to make a point against a certain person. But for Dan and LiluVral to call me and others "Monkey"....that's pretty derogatory and immature. Is this typical pinoy/pinay behavior to resort to such lowlife tactic? Utterly Amazing!
Halwick:
They are accusing me of pretending to be you by posting under your name.
They accuse me merely because you agree with me...
They find it so hard to believe that a lot of people have a negative view of filipina cultural traits, so they think I am pretending to be other people to support my own arguments.
@LiluVrai: Tulad ng sabi ko ay sina bob hoper, Halwick at si Shimy1234 ay si Unggoy rin yan. Ginamit lang ang Google para alamin ang ibig sabihin ng Unggoy kaya alam niya na Monkey ang ibig sabihin sa Tagalog. Sino ang lolokohin niya,Lol. Ni hindi naman natin siya pinag-uusapan at si Unggoy lagi ang topic natin. Kung nakakaintindi yan ay dapat ay translate niya lahat ng napag-usapan natin pero haggang Google lang yan si Unggoy. Kaya huwag mong papasinin si Halwick dahil si Unggoy rin yan. Kunyari pa siya na nabigla at sabi na tinawag siyang "Monkey"....that's pretty derogatory and immature.Immature ang pagtawag niya sa iyo ng cunt at whore sa akin then kunyari ay hindi siya si unggoy. Lumang style na yan. Gusto ay mag-apologize ka at tuloy na naman ang paghamak niya sa itong pangalan naman ang gagamitin . Sinabi ko ang statistic na para ke Unggoy pero sino ang agad sumagot out of nowhere? Si Halwick instead of Unggoy, Lol. Tingnan natin kung kailan magiging vulgar na rin si Halwick tulad ni Unggoy or magtitimpi yan nang sa ganon ay di mabisto na si siya nga si Unggoy, Lol.
@Diep Vuong: Sorry if i just read your comment because there were so many comments coming from one racist person in this site. However, I found it disgusting that your women go through such treatment before being sold like slaves (wife). Are you a Vietnamese activist who is against violation of women's rights and treatment? I found it compelling and sad. I hope your effort get a positive outcome. Don't lose hope. You and your country will be on our prayers.
I think the real issue is that the filipino people don't want to take responsibility for the state of their country. It is a country that they fucked up themselves.
Even countries like China which had a troubled history is now becoming a very wealthy country because its people took responsibility for fixing up their country economically. And Vietnam, which had civil war and politically instability, is now catching up to China in terms of wealth and quality of living.
But why is the Philipines rotting and imploding from within, to the extent that it is decaying from within and there is a mass exodus of its own people wanting to get out using virtually any way they can.
Sure, most countries in the world have faced political instability, but it's time to get the fuck over it and start repairing.
The filipinos can't blame any other country for the way their own country is now, which is why on the majority their women have had to resort to prostitution in its numerous forms.
I think that filipino men have largely failed their own country and their own women. I have not come across many filipino men who had a good work ethic. I have met a lot of lazy filipino men who don't want to work but yet expect to have the good life.
Filipino men don't really know how to support and protect their own women, which is why so many if their own women are intent on seeking out foreigners to marry.
If you take into the survival of the fittest theory by Charles Darwin (which posits that female species select male partners with good characteristics based on the need to survive), then it could be applied to the filipina phenomenon as well.
There is perhaps a collective subconscious desire by filipinas to erase out their own kind, by mating with foreign partners.
I think there are many negative cultural traits which are very ingrained, perhaps a sense of hopelessness combined with a desire for a quick fix.
You people need to take sole responsibility for the problems of your own country and fix it up in the right way. It is your own fucking problem, don't make it anyone else's. Don't expect certain entitlements just because you feel that life may be harder for you. Don't expect the entitlement to not work and be financially supported by other people. Don't expect your Western husband to work 2 jobs and drain his savings to support your brother because he is too fucking lazy to work.
And most importantly...don't fucking expect the entitlement to toy with people's hopes, dreams and emotions and wreak havoc on their lives just because you feel that you need to do it to survive.
@LiluVrai:Tingnan mo ang unang reply ni Halwick ay after 31 hours then si Unggoy naman ay 32 hours, Lol. Coincidence,Lol. Tingnan mo at sa Tagalog ko sinasabi ang tungkol ke Halwick at ang nag-reply agad ay si Unggoy,Lol. Huling huli na at halatang halatang siya si Halwick, Lol.
Tawag sa akin agad ni Halwick ay "DANLOVEFILIPINA" instead of @Dan na lang kasi kaka-post ko lang ng statistic. Matagal na raw niyang binabasa ang mga comments pero ngayon lang siya nagsalita? Lol.
Wanker, I'm not "racist" for stating the truth. The truth is what it is.
And stop bullshitting. There is no "Vietnamese" problem. Sure, Vietnam is a South East Asian country which may have some similar problems like Thailand and the Philippines, but on the large, there is no "Vietnamese women problem" that you are hinting at. Could there be human trafficking? Sure.
Vietnamese women in the whole respect hard work and value education, which is why a lot of them end up becoming doctors, lawyers or scientists.
Unlike your own women in the Philipines, on the large Vietnamese women don't tend to regard prostitution as an acceptable or viable profession.
There is something to be said for studying hard to become a doctor or lawyer rather than getting down on one's knees, sucking 60 year old cock and pretending to enjoy it.
@LiluVrai, Pamela and cute,daizhining: Goodnight to all and have a sweetdream. Ingat kayo lagi diyan. Night. It's my bedtime.
You're a dickhead regardless of whether Halwick calls you Dan, Danlovefilipina or Danyoucansuckmydick.
I wouldn't read too much into that if I were you.
Halwick and I are absolutely 2 different posters.
What we both have in common is that we recognise a dickhead when we see one.
@Diep Vuong:Thanks for the information for we do not know that such thing happens in Vietnam.Now that we know. We will support your cause for it is the right thing to do. I will try to visit your country for I love nature too. God bless. Goodnight to you too if you happen to read this.
Night.
A butterfly flapped its wings in Vietnam as well. Perhaps I can turn that into a major social issue.
But seriously, human trafficking is a more prevalent problem in countries other than Vietnam.
@DAN kuya..halata nga po.nagawa nlng ng issue yan para mapag usap po sya..hehehhe ayaw pang tumigil ng aho bogge na yan..hehhheh.kuya..stress na stress na po yan mamaya baka mag bigti nlng yan dyan .heheheheh sige po nyt nyt na po....inaaway nya sarili nya ..bwahahahhaha....ate luvlirai have a nice weekend po.....saturday night fever po bukas..hehehehh see yah po sa inyo kuya DAN at ate luvliRAi god bless po ulit...kuya labasan mo na ng mga dalandan yan hahahhaha....para tumahimik ..lol
TanfromAustralia:
You are one bigoted son of a bitch. I'm not from the Philippines, but I have employees on my outsourcing business who are from the Philippines. They are efficient workers and have very strong work ethics--and definitely not prostitutes.
And I wonder why you're defending Vietnamese women so much. I once traveled to Singapore and stumbled upon several Vietnamese women who are trying to negotiate their price in the bar. My point is whether Filipinos, Vietnamese, Europeans, Americans, women prostitutes are everywhere. It's totally lentil-minded of you to stereotype all Filipinas as such. Dude, you do need a life.
I think this is a very unfair blog post. I am a Filipina who's married to an American, and we do have a 4-year old daughter. I work 80 hours a week--not as a prostitute-- but as a decent writer, and can afford to go to the States anytime at my own expense, not my husband's. What am I'm trying to say is that although there are many of us who are trying to hook up with Caucasian men just to get out of a messy country we are in, we should NOT be generalized.
Just because you were poisoned once, doesn't mean you're not going to eat anymore. If you go to South America, the same thing could happen to you if you don't use your common sense or you continue to be gullible.
Many American men come to the Philippines, and some of them had been reported to be displaying abusive behavior; preying on young children, to say the least. But we never judge the rest of you as the same. So before saying things like these, THINK!
P.S.
If a woman is a Filipino then she, of course, comes from the Philippines. Reading such statement as this: "Don't marry a Filipina from the Philippines..." is already an uneducated judgment. America is not a perfect country; Americans are not perfect people, so you are in no position to judge the whole Filipino nation.
I aggree with tanya and harriet..it's not right that u say's such thing like that about pilipina,i think dude u have a problem and u need to get a life..doesnt mean a pilipina cheat on you once doesnt mean all of them are the same..so get over it and quit being a hater to the pilipina..
Old men marrying younger filipinas?? not right!!! makes me sick to my stomach!!! so freaking gross!!! why don't you all stay here and live in a nursing home instead of getting a girl from the Philippines to be your maid!!! what the fuck!!! you are the user not the other way around... it is TABOO to do that in your country so don't call yourself perfect. Men in the Philippines usually the breadwinner, well, if you don't like that idea then don't get a girl from there! you Sir are the most rude and disgusting person! get a life!!! or go back to school and get an education you are clearly uneducated one and since you all run out of jobs!!! hmmm, bummer!!! you all married 5x --- u all have mental issues!!! and obese!!! get a life and try to ecourage your obese women to start walking, maybe your jobs will come back because u all move so slow that the companies are losing money!!! thanks to the asian country ppl are healthy and hardworking and clean ;) hahaha
hahaha usajob are u saying that for yourself ur so funny
please come on u act like the american girls in united states are perfect and clean..they even lose thier virginity at young age so dont say that pilipina are gross u just cant statnd that pilipina can be a good wife and u can stand it becuz american girls want to live like a princess and have fun and be with lot of men..that true and u know it..
Filipina-American marriages are more successful than American-American marriages.
An interesting fact is that according to the statistics Filipina-American marriages arranged through dating services have a lower divorce rate (about 20%) than the standard American- American marriage (about 40%).
Since there is no "absolute divorce" in the Philippines , Filipinas are raised in a high regard for the sanctity of marriage and consider it a life long commitment. Some, in fact many who marry these Filipina beauties, swear they make the best wives in the world – loyal, loving and faithful past death
. Filipino girls are a delight to be around because of their disposition and personality.
Since birth Filipinas are raised in a special sense of honor called Delikadesa (or Delicadeza). Delicadeza is a Spanish term which when translated in English means daintiness. It is defined as a sense of propriety, an act of being refined or delicate in tastes and manners
Highest Divorce Rates In The World
The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorced..how's that
@ USAJOB: Funny that I am just reading an article about that because I knew this lady that I am planning to marry that was introduce to me by my fellow buddy that is a Filipino. I am American/Puerto Rican by blood but more called myself Puerto Rican and as of now is still serving in the U.S army. I had been deployed to the Iraq and Afghanistan since the war started. I see more positive comments than negative ones but I still believe that it is base on their opinion or experiences. Here in the US, I get invited so much in parties by my Army buddies that are married to Philippine ladies.They all had successful marriage and did not listen to their advice so i got married to a Mexican/American lady.
I see a lot of complaint about Philippine lady but it is just mostly coming from few people as well as one that made derogatory remarks against the Philippine people which should not be tolerated. In the Army, all we see is the rank of the individual and not the race of whose wearing it. Racism here in the U.S is in it’s lowest since I had a lot of buddies that were African/American serving with me during combat. There are all my brothers in arms regardless of their race, color or ethnicity.
Since this complaint is coming from an individual from Australia, I found this site by typing “Issues and problem in Filipino-Australian Marriages” and you do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is wrong about the marriages.
1). Statistics show a prevalent huge age difference between the Filipina partners who are mostly 20-34 years old and the Australian partners who are aged 55 and up. Prior to the relationship, 87% of the Filipino women were single as compared with only 47% of the Australian men, half of whom were separated or divorced with family obligations from previous relationships.
IMHO: That is like marrying your daughter. 55 and up should not have any privilege to marry a Philippine lady because that is just like being a molester.
2). Talking about domestic violence between Filipino/Australian marriages is beyond my belief. I been in combat which is violent enough and for an Australian abusing their daughter….I mean “wife” change my opinion and respect about the Aussie. We should let the Japanese took over their country in WWII so they can all talk in Japanese. Without our sacrifices and military might, Australia will be part of Japan. I like the Brits more for they sure do like to fight once we pissed them off and get into physical scuffle. At least, IMAO, Men vs men.I already can imagine that this young Philippine lady being attack struck by a cane by her father….once again…..I mean “husband”.
3). An aggravating factor is the negative stereotyping of Filipinas in the Australian media. Is this how racism in Australia now? Just because a “father” married a “daughter” then they will be crying wolf. 55 and up belong to covalence homes and not traveling looking for somebody to take care of them.
@ilovepinay: Filipina/American marriage is more successful here in the U.S than in the abusive relationship in Australia where the Government authority condone such action such as racism. Australia is the last place in my mind that racism still exist but it does, according to the report against Asians.
My marriage to a Mexican/American that I met as a waitress in a restaurant here in the U.S did not work out. Lucky for me that, I found out in our two years together that she is unfaithful that is why I did not decide to had any children with her. What pissed me off is the Mexican she is messing around with is even one ugly individual who might be her boyfriend before, who knows?
IMAO: This is what reality. I, a 32 years old Puerto Rican/American that will finally meet my fiancé that is 27 years of age and is a registered nurse. She did not know that her cousin who is a buddy of mine in the U.S Army already told me that do not worry about the expenses for it is already fully paid by my fiancé as a surprised. It’s sure not a surprised no more. I was told that I will stay in an Island of Cebu and from there, we will be spending two weeks in a place they called Boracay which I saw it on the internet as a beautiful resort. I am leaving on the 13th and will arrive there on Valentines Day. It’s not a coincidence for I plan it all. Wish me well.
PS: To all Philippine ladies there in Philippine. Try to marry an American instead of Australian because we treat women better and would never be abusive.
Staff Sergeant from 3rd Infantry Division.
@Staff Sergeant Marvin
Thank you Sir for your dedicated service and best wishes in your upcoming marriage to a Filipina, I'm sure you will find her to be all you could ever hope for in a woman.
@Marvin- congrats and good luck! Thank you for sharing your experience. Knowing that the Australian govt condones racism explains alot why TanfromAustralia viciously slanders Filipinos. It's sad though because he isnt even a true blooded Australian. He's Vietnamese. I wish people were more kind and objective in giving advice. And not just spew out pure conjectures with complete absence of logical integrity. Oh well... Some people are just dumb and ignorant like that. I'm over it. :)
@Doc'and LiluVrai: Thanks in advance. I do not take no grudge between me and my Ex You doc" must I prefer to address as Sir for all your comments really open all the minds of people reading this negative stereotyping of certain race or ethnicity. Thank you too for opening my eyes on such negative attack on my fiancé who is a Philippine lady.
@Marvin. Go for it and Good luck. I been married to a Pinay, that is what they call Philippines woman and had two children that were computer engineer and also one that is also a registered nurse. I had been married for 30 years now and going on vacation in Philippines this April. Arriving at Valentine’s Day? What a romantic plan you got. At least, you do not have to pay for the vacation in Boracay. Try to ask you girlfriend about Puerto prinsesa in Palawan and Bohol. Enjoy your trip. I am also a veteran from the 1st Infantry Division. Big Red One.
@ Dan: Sir, Thank for the advice. I see some high power weapons as your profile pictures. I like to collect guns too. How much did you buy that M-4? 1St infantry Division had the reputation as being the best. As a token of respect, sir, I salute you for serving our country too.
Yes and I will indeed enjoy my vacation and ask my fiancé about puerto prinsesa and bohol.
With respect, Marvin.
@ Marvin:It’s An Ar-15 that cost me around $1,000 for basic one but I bought and just converted it to M-4 by adding all the accessories such as the rail, scope, and handle I ordered from Riflegear.com. And it went to about $1,460 a piece I had 6 assault weapons, one Smith &Wesson shotgun and two handguns (Beretta FS92 and one Heckler & Koch P2000 Sub-Compact 9mm).
Check the site out.
Riflegear.com. Thanks! I’ll do that. Have a nice day, sir.
@ Marvin: Same to you. Got to work. Don’t pay too much attention for what is being said in this site. It all came to the same individual that is basically talking to himself.
Beyond all of these defences, nobody could actually put forward an intelligent argument as to why filipinas prefer to marry Western men over their own filipino men.
@Dan: I’ll do that because I already read a lot of articles. Thanks. Later.
Take care.
@LiluVrai: Lumitaw na naman si Unggoy,Lol.Kakausapin na naman ang sarili niya. Kawawa naman at sana mag-bigti na lamang siya, Lol. Kanina pa nagbabasa ng comments pero di makapag-salita dahil against sa kanya ang lahat,Lol. Ang Unggoy nga naman. Nasisiraan na ng ulo,LOL.
Today is the 02/10/2012 and it's Friday. Marvin said he will be leaving on the 13th and arrive in Philippines on the 14th which is Valentine's Day? I guess he needs to get busy packing up his clothes. You are one lucky man to meet a Filipina nurse and all expenses for Boracay tour fully paid by the girlfriend for two weeks. That cost a lot of money but she's a nurse though and you will sure find happiness.
@Marvin: I'll give you point on that one, for you had plan that on the right time after knowing her in the last three years via internet. Finally, you would meet her in person in most celebrated lovers day, which is Valentine's Day. How romantic and exciting that will be. Keep us posted, please.
Give it some more time.
Most women are potential "housekeepers".
You don't believe this fiction anymore than most of us...
Marvin: How long have you known your fiance? Do you know anything about her and her family?
No doubt the inlaws are proud that their daughter married a "rich kano" (in the filipino mindset, all kanos are rich). That is the goal of most filipino parents: to have their daughters marry a rich kano, live in the U.S. and drain all his assets to support The Family.
After you take your lovely pinay bride to the U.S. and after the honeymoon period is over, she will tell you in no uncertain terms HER FAMILY (parents, siblings, aunt, cousins, etc) COMES FIRST and you will be EXPECTED to "contribute" (read: send money regularly) to HER Family. Another thing, do not ever, ever look at another woman. You will find out just how intensely jealous pinays are. Did Dan, Doc or your Army buddies tell you about that?
Anyway, Congrats and good luck. And so long as you're okay with being a moneytree and ATM to HER family, you'll be happily married.
Halwick:
I think he is still in the honeymoon phase. Her true face is not yet revealed. These girls are brilliant actresses.
A part of me does wish that it will turn out good for him, but his story is so similar to many of my former male clients, who were on cloud 9 and then crash landed painfully back to reality.
When the money runs out, the "love" runs out, as well as the falsehood.
Go to the website: www.stickmanbangkok.com and read the stories there.
Tan, we are in agreement. I'm very familiar with www.stickmanbangkok.com. In the Readers Submission section is a 15-part story titled "Told You So" by "Old Bill In Cypress" that is a must read for anyone thinking about marrying a Filipina. Also go to website www.happierabroad.com. Lots of anectdotal experiences both good and bad. And in all fairness, the warnings not only extend to Filipinas, but also to Thais. They can be more ruthless than Filipinas.
@Dan: Thanks once again. Sorry if I am quite busy. You are right that I am excited already on my coming trip to Philippines. I am packing all my clothes and my apple accessories that come with my IPad and Laptop and my Canon camera. I did plan to do it on Valentine’s Day to make it memorable for this is the first time I get to meet her in person. She is what I called Beauty and Brain. She is very professional, understanding and I find her strikingly beautiful. I’ll teach her some Salsa and Merengue dance.
Negative comments and experiences cannot be worst than what I had experience. Seeing my Ex holding hands and kissing another male might be blessing in disguise for I finally found out earlier in the marriage that she is unfaithful. I do not have any responsibility by law to support her despite her unfaithfulness. I already took back the 2007 BMW M5 that I gave her for it is still in my name and is already paid off.
@ Dan: I check the Riflegear.com and they sure do have a lot of military style assault rifle and guns. I’m aiming for the FN Herstal SCAR 175, FDE that is price at $2,849.00. I had 3 handguns and this will be my first Assault rifle. Kind of expensive but cannot buy it now for there is a 10 days waiting period for background investigation which I do not had right now for I am living on Monday which is the 13th. I’ll buy it when I get back from Philippines. Thanks for giving me the site. I will be out of this site for a while till I get back from Philippines. Once again, Thank for all the positive feedback from you, doc’ and LiluVrai.
Buenos Tardes.
Halwick:
I went to the stickmanbangkok at your recommendation. Those stories are consistent with the stories I personally witnessed when I worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 years.
These women are brilliant con artists. I have had extremely intelligent men as clients like professors, doctors and lawyers and they got scammed as well.
Most of my clients were nice, genuine men who were looking for love and acceptance. They opened up their hearts, homes and bank accounts for these women.
You understand, Halwick, why all of the filipino posters in this thread are so defensive, don't you? They are intent on defending the undefendable.
Yes, there have been some success stories of Western men marrying filipinas which turned out well, but in my experience, the majority of these marriages crash and burn.
I think the filipino posters in this thread need to realise that I am not trying to attack them as people, I am just highlighting some very negative filipino cultural traits.
They defend and attack and defend and attack, yet none of them have been able to argue why their own women reject filipino men and strive to marry foreigners.
The sad reality is that the majority of filipinas were raised to be prostitutes at a young age, or at least they were raised to have the prostitute's mindset.
They should take responsibility for the shit hole that is their country and collectively transform it into a viable nation whose chief economy is not sex tourism and prostitution.
Their men need to accept that they need to work for a living and stop pimping out their mothers, wives and daughters to Western men.
Funny how some men don't learn from their negative experiences.
I once had a male client who went to the Philippines and was a serial sponsor of women.
When the marriage to the first filipina whore went up in flames, he didn't actually understand why.
He went back and married the second filipina whore, brought her to Australia. Again, the marriage didn't work out.
He went back again and married his third filipina whore, brought her to Australia. Again it did not work out.
He came to my office and asked my advice about what went wrong.
We had a conversation like this:
He said: "I just don't understand what went wrong. I have been so unlucky. What is wrong with me?"
I said: "You married whores whom pretended they were virtuous women".
He said: "But I gave them so much, my heart and soul".
I said: "Don't go on anymore holidays in South East Asia. I think you should buy a blow up doll. You can have sex with it as often as you like, it won't challenge you or talk back to you. That is like your last wife, however the doll won't ask you for money to support her family. The inside of the filipina is similar to the inside of the blow up doll: hollow and only filled with air".
Marvin:
I read your comment about the Australian government. To suggest that my government creates its policies based on racism is utterly stupid.
My government places certain people in a "high risk" category when assessing visa applications based on actual statistics and cultural reasons, not racism.
There is a large percentage of spouse visa applications coming from countries like Russia, Thailand and the Philippines compared to any other country. Those are based on statistics. My government knows that people from those countries, especially women, marry for economic and migration reasons. Those reasons do not accord with the intention of my government for our spouse visa, which is based on a genuine relationship.
And your suggestion that Western/filipina marriages in the US are more successful than the Western/filipina marriages in Australia is just nonsensical. There is absolutely no correlation.
And your suggestion about the discrepancy of the severe age gap between the Western men and the young filipina women is lobsided when it appears that you blame the men more than the women.
I blame the women more than the men and I will tell you why. The women coerce and manipulate the men into thinking that the women are something that they are not.
Do you seriously think that any of these men have to go over to the Philippines and hold a gun to these women to force these women to marry them?
From what I have seen in my experience, the women are all over these men like flies to shit, opening up their legs like whores.
It is easy to believe that nobody is forcing these women to act like that, certainly not the men.
Remember that in a country like the Philippines, whores are plentiful. It's the most popular occupation for women. It's not like there will be a shortage.
Who needs who more?
@Halwick: I do not know the word "Kano" you are talking about. That is not on the Puerto Rico Vocabulary. Try to Google the word again for it does not exist because we hardly use K in Puerto Rico also in Spanish. You asking me how long I knew my fiancé? I believe you can read comments and the question you are asking me is already in my comments.
Money is nothing to me for I am a Sergeant First Class (SFC) in the U.S Army.
She can send all the money that she can make here, as a nurse to her relatives in the Philippines and I do not care. I already own a BMW M5 that is paid off and a house that I am capable of paying for and I do not need the money that she will be making as a nurse.
By the way, Thanks for the Congrats and good luck.
It’s almost 5 AM here and just got done talking to my fiancé.
Goodnight, Aussie friend.
Just because you don't care about her remitting money back does not mean that it is a practice that all other men should be OK about.
Most men would have difficulty accepting that the money they work so hard for is being sent back to support her family.
Actually, if you are content to remain an open pocket, then your relationship might actually work out.
Good luck. You'll need it.
Marvin:
"kano" is a tagalog word; you'll be called that in the Philippines.
Money may not mean anything to you, but it means a great deal to the Filipinos. No doubt your wife will be managing and controlling the finances. But if you are okay with that, then things may work out okay. I'm just telling you like it is. Don't let a woman control your finances; its a recipe for disaster.
By the way, I live in the U.S. and have seen a lot of marriages between Americans and Filipinas. They dont have divorces in the Philippines, but they sure have them in the U. S. and you can be sure the filipinas catch on to that very quickly.
Good luck and have a safe trip.
I AM A FILIPINA! And this blog sucks!
I laugh at these old guys stories.
You guys choose the life you want it to be. WHY THE HELL MARRY A BITCH? A GOLD-DIGGER? AN OPPORTUNIST? Bitches, Gold-diggers, whores or what ever CAN'T ONLY BE FOUND IN PHILIPPINES! Characteristics like that are widely spread throughout the globe, the challenge is use your brain before heart! Yes, I know what these type of girls are you referring at. I, myself hates them too! But these foreigners are the ones making the move too. WHY ENTERTAIN A BITCH if you can find someone better? BRAINS PLEASE!
Try to check if your brains are working!
Life is matter of choosing.
@Marvin- "Kano" is a colloquial term for "foreigner" originating from the word "Amerikano." And my advice is get to know your wife, get to know her family and their traditions. From the start, sit down with your fiance and establish rules for the relationship. Tell her what you want and what you expect. And also ask her what she wants and what she expects. For sure there will be a cultural gap. And its up to BOTH of you to bridge that gap.
@ Halwick, FYI, educated Filipino parents do not feel PROUD when their daughter wants to marry a foreigner. In fact,Filipino parents feel PETRIFIED,they do not even want their children to marry foreigners because it is well known in the Philippines that foreign men abuse their Filipina wives.
It is also widely known that foreigners only want to marry Filipinas because they want someone to serve them and take care of them when they get old or the parents would likely feel that the man is just marrying a Filipina nurse to petition her to the US and have her work as a nurse so he can sit his ass on the couch the whole day and not work because the wife will take care of the bills. Filipinos who work in healthcare earn MORE than the average "Joe."
The basic salary for any medical practitioner in the US is $25/hour. That is entry level. Someone with a 2-5 year experience, the salary goes as high as $90/hour.While the average American earns only $14-20/ hour.
Because of this fear of foreigners abusing Filipinas, every Filipina who leaves the country has to go through a Pre-departure seminar. This seminar is required by the Bureau of Immigration and the Department of Social Welfare and Development as educational and precautionary measures.
Filipinas are made to watch a documentary compiled by the DSWD and several women's organizations about what happens to Filipinas abroad. Whether they are leaving as fiance's, spouses or with H1-B working visas. The government makes sure that the women know the potential hazards of being in a relationship with a foreign man.
There is no denying the existence of predators in the Philippines. There is no denying the existence of prostitution either.
But that doesn't mean that every Filipina who marries a foreign man is only after his money.
It doesn't mean that every Filipina who agrees to go to the foreign man's country is only after the green card or the citizenship.
Yes there are sites where men share their negative experiences about the Filipinas they had relationships with. But there are also others who are very happy being married to one. We may not hear or read anything from the happy men because guess what? Happy people don't whine and complain and rant online about failed relationships. Only the misable. "Misery loves company"
And since the 2 of you have done nothing but whine, complain and rant on this thread about how awful Filipinas are, we know you were VICTIMS.
I could almost feel some kind of sympathy for you TAN. But the disrespect you have proudly displayed on this thread towards my nation and my people do not deserve any sympathy.
There is a difference between someone who wants to spread awareness of a known global problem and suggest logical advice and someone who just wants to be an asshole racist who attacks Filipinos.
You are a vile, angry, and bigoted man TanfromAustralia.
Pitiful really.
Oh and Tan - what these other men choose to do is really none of your business.
If a Filipina wants to support her parents and siblings back home using her own money for whatever reasons (poverty, education, disease or daily needs)
If the foreign husband wants to help support his wife's family.Its up to HIM.
So its really none of your business.
You have a different culture.
You said before that you don't help your parents or siblings or other family members and you seem proud of it. If this is the culture YOU know , then you have the right to feel proud and I don't have the right to tell you that you are a greedy, selfish,self-absorbed wannabe Westerner.
But there are people who are more caring and giving and choose to help their parents, siblings and other family members who are in need. You have no right to judge them if they decide to help.
Good snowy afternoon everyone! Come across this site while trying to research about the Filipina Style that makes their kind “in demand”. I’m white skinned but not a racist and I’m disgusted when I see immigrants acting and talking like racists. Seems so many people here (the betrayed wives and homosexuals and obviously chinky eyes) are bitter about the Filipinas ---is that because they are BETTER that’s why you are BITTER? My advise is…let us try to be better than Filipinas so we could become the BEST in our man’s heart. Let us also accept the fact that Filipinas are better looking, better in bed (whore if that’s what the bitter people describe them to be), better cooks, better slaves (including in bed if that is included in the bitter people’s definition of a whore). Then let us all examine ourselves and strive more to meet the expectations of our men. Let us also accept that there are soooo many whores among our colors--- just that being a whore is not a big deal here. In fact I have friends of my same color who bring men in their houses under the nose of their husbands. And oh, this is exciting--- I have a Filipina neighbor who is happily married to her white skinned man. I will befriend her and ask her tips on how to be good in everything and of course in bed. I don’t think it’s a bad idea ---I just want to learn about the Filipina style and who knows it might help my marriage work up to the end. WITH ALL HUMILITY, I’M NOT A GOOD WIFE. It is very common for us to cheat and try another man other than our husband. Here it’s kinda “the more the merrier” and we really start very young and almost with parental consent! You know what I mean? Parents here don’t really mind if the 14 year old wanna have sex! But as I have said, it is not a big deal here. So what is the big deal about the Filipinas, chinkies? And PLEAASSSEEE don’t advertise yourself that you are well respected in our land…are you dreaming? And also, to those Asians who are now in the foreign soil and in my land, look back where you belong –YOU ARE CHEAP TOO! And oh, I learned from my neighbor that one secret to smell good and clean all the time is to wash all the time. I was surprised because we usually wipe. You know what I mean? SO NO WONDER THESE FILIPINAS HAVE THE BEST AROMA AND EVEN THE PROSTITUTES ARE BEING SOUGHT FOR BY OUR DIRTY OLD MEN. Come on people…LET’S ACCEPT THE TRUTH! IS IT THE FAULT OF THE FILIPINAS IF THEY ARE GIVEN THE BEAUTY AND THE TALENT TO STRIP TEASE AND GO ALL THE WAY? So come on folks, follow after me ---befriend the Filipina you know and ask for tips so we could be better or even the best! P.S --Philippine people, please confirm if you really wash your private parts and butts all the time that's why you smell good. Wondering if using tissues and wet wipes are actually causes of UTI, fungi, infections? I also heard that you take a bath as much as you can? How true? Honestly, we shower but sometimes we don't wet our hairs.
Greetings to all like-minded readers and contributors. I am back from vacation. I had deliberately set the stage for pre-emptive strikes with my last words before this post. Thank you @TanfromAustralia for keeping this thread on course, purging poison with poison. That’s the only way to put in their place, people who have no respect for online forum etiquette and courtesy to the next human being. This is the same type of PH behaviour I see in real life all the time. Jumping queue, picking fights and their noses at the same time, yelling at customers, food servers and sellers, demanding to be given more for the same price others are paying. Once, a food seller even rejected the order from a rude PH person and told him to go elsewhere, never to come back, for the raucous he caused.
Vacation or no, I had to remove myself temporarily from this board and let my silence speak in order to expose the full length, breadth and depth of the deception and viciousness these people are capable of, attacking like a pack of hyenas with ridiculous blabbering and repetition of nonsense. If I stayed in, this whole thing will become a tag team of pointless cross-firing verbiage, allowing motherlode & accomplices to detract from the truth and purpose of Ultramagnus’ intent for this board.
Blatant assumptions and accusations about online contributors they know nothing about, character assassination, name-calling, swords and daggers spewed in guerrilla-style machine-gun verbiage, chewing people up then spitting them out, claiming a question makes no sense when the answer would expose the truth, asking unanswerable questions, ripping faces and tearing heads off with bombastic vocabulary, accusing other posters of doing what they and only they are doing themselves, posting as imposters, hurling downright offensive insults that completely break all rules of forum participation like we have never seen before on this board, stinking everything up with dung from pigasses. Yeah, that’s PH behaviour for us. Let me quote again the American expat in PH who posted here further up: rotten culture, filthy environment, ignorant society.
If well-researched facts and sharing posts from other boards is not enough, how about letting these people show the world themselves, the hellish nightmare unfortunate foreign men had to endure trying to have a half-sane and marginally decent conversation with a pinay and her accomplices. Well, it has been played out for all to see...without a single word from “objectivelyspeaking”. Objective enough? Toodles874-@objectivelyspeaking-@unknown-@Doc’ are all the same person. Sneaky bastard.
What’s with all these repeated charges of racism? Targeting a different race for spousal selection on the notion that the opposite sex in one’s own country is lesser than the other is racism against one’s own race. Agree??
When I showed my significant other what @Doc’ wrote about me, he said if this guy’s a real doc, I shouldn’t even trust him with a pedicure given his diagnostic skills, lol. It seems the quickest way to invalidate everything I have posted was to make everyone believe they were subjective by calling me a victim of pinay-husband-stealing...hah how stupid. In the world of these people, all men who speak against pinays have been scammed by one for being old, fat and ugly. All women who speak against pinays have been a victim of a home-wrecking pinay. Do these people even realize that these lines of assumptions are a confirmation of what most
filipinas are all about?
To be fair to the contributors who have supported my views, it is time to reveal a little more about myself. I am Euro-Chinese, paternal-great-grandma from a tall West European race. I look mix-bred, with long dark shoulder-length hair yet fairer than most Chinese. My mom has always been complimented by everyone for her tall, slim, beautiful daughters. When my dad lost his job and had to settle for another half the pay, my mom had to work for the first time in her life, cleaning abandoned warehouses, coming home with gigantic mosquito bites all over. We cried. I missed my tertiary education for that reason, worked 2 jobs and 7-day weeks so we could survive. Not once did my mom (or dad) ever consider pushing her beautiful daughters to marry some rich old and decrepit man for his money, because her mom did not sell her out, nor her mom’s mom and up the line. It is NOT in our culture. If anything, my parents always ensured they did everything to protect us. Nor will I ever sell out my daughter. I will work 25-hour days before I will ever let that happen. This is the ingraining @TanfromAustralia is talking about. It does not happen in a single generation. More on that in another post. There is no shame in poverty by circumstances. There is no excuse for whoring to escape poverty. It is all a lie. Take this from a woman who has been poor and in debt several times in her life, then rebuilt it all out of sheer hard work, gumption and self-respect.
When my family member’s life, marriage and family was forever torn apart by the filipina maid who seduced her husband, my then husband and I both saw how our two nieces grew up never knowing their dad since the very young age of 3 and 5. My ex's opinion of slutty pinays is as low as mine. My marriage lasted 18 years and ended amicably, as naturally as it began. We became even better friends than when we were married. My ex will be the first to tell anyone that I built my life, career and wealth all on my own, with no help from anyone, not even him. Throughout my marriage, I have been pursued by foreign expatriates since I have always worked in foreign companies before going into business myself. Not once had I ever looked sideways when I was a married woman. Again, this is in my upbringing. My mom raised me that way.
I have been on front covers of my community publications, soon to be on corporate videos and TV commercials too. Not because I need the money, or chase fame and glory, only because the talent agent was so persistent I finally caved. For @Doc’ to say that I have an axe to grind because my husband chose a pinay over me is a real lowblow and cheapshot. Shame on you @Doc’. Those who really got it don’t need to flaunt it.
Why am I posting here? Every woman enjoys attention and compliments from men for her physical beauty. I have enjoyed that my whole life and always felt flattered. Not anymore. In the last year, there are middle-aged men lurking around Chinese malls and food courts approaching women, asking if they are from the Philippines, and if they would “like a cup of coffee”. When told NO, they don’t let up and follow the women all the way to the car. For my mix-bred look, I get it the most. And you know what, it is not flattering anymore when you know you are not admired for your beauty but rather targeted for a cheap tryst thanks to the cheap whore reputation filipinas have been spreading across Asian. This constant assertion that other women from Asian are all the same, bla bla bla is a total and blatant lie dragging all Asian women down with these cheap, slutty, whoring pinays. I read the “Told You So” postings recommended by @Halwick. Notice how the FP was referred to as an SEA woman when the subject of the story was a filipina? Now I can’t go grocery shopping without looking around to see if there is some horny middle-aged bastard scanning me over, mentally undressing me. How shitty creepy is that??? I am a big girl now and can just tell the creepy old fools off with my two cents’ worth about filipinas. What if some day my daughter and nieces are subject to the same? I will be sure to change my pseudonym to “subjectivelyspeaking” you betcha, and I hope that day never comes.
Nobody ever said all fil/am marriages are scams. There are many filipinas who fall in love with a foreign man under natural circumstances at the right place and the right time. Just like any marriage anywhere in the world. But this marketing of filipina brides to foreign men through internet sites and “recommendation” by a mutual contact is turning into an industry aka t
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aka the PH Meat Market. From the stats of fiancé visas for pinays into the US, they seem to be enjoying no small measure of success. What does this tell us? When PH people set their mind to doing something, they can do it real well. Just that they are not interested in economic production of any kind like the other Asian countries. They are only focused on exporting their women for a perpetual ATM in a 1st world country. Step into a department store in the West these days and I see consumer goods made in Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Bangladesh. Nothing from the Philippines. Think about that.
Has anyone noticed that Ultramagnus has been updating his original article in recent months along the lines of our arguments? Has anyone ever wondered if Ultramagnus could be a young Filipino who lost the love of his life to an American man who bought her with greenbacks he did not have? Young pinoys are very much into Japanese video games depicted in Anime and Manga. Think about that too.
It would be good to hear how these young men feel about their girlfriends being bought by foreign men, leaving them behind and forgotten as voiceless souls. There is a report on dragonladies that some pinoys are so hateful of fil/am children they are raping little fil/am girls as young as 6 years old. How can this type of scenario be good and healthy for the Philippines? Yet these perpetrators and supporters of the PH Meat Market are ferociously arguing for argument’s sake. Reminds me of the gators in the Everglades I just visited – big jaws, sharp teeth, pea brains. What does winning an argument today do to the society of tomorrow? Already we have seen one young 15-year-old Filipina with a pixie face, posting hatred of a physically violent kind against @TanfromAustralia on this board. What is a 15-year-old girl still in school even doing on a board like this? And the adult pinoy and pinays here were talking to her like she is a part of this game. Tells us something about how young minds are molded by PH standards, doesn’t it? Hence the crap society that it is today...as posted by many foreign expats that have lived and worked there for years.
Pinays know their own kind. So this “blame the men it’s their own damn fault” defence is another bare-faced lie. When on the beach, I saw an older pinay with an even older white man. A young pinay come walking toward them from the opposite direction. I made it a point to watch the dagger “hands off my man” stare from the older pinay. If there is such a thing as men can protect themselves from the wiles of a pinay maid, why did the good filipina have to fire the pinay maid who tried to seduce her American husband (as posted by the husband)?
There are many good and classy PH people, some are my friends. They feel the same way about the PH Meat Market as I and other like-minded foreigners do.
Pigasses don’t bother calling me out. I don’t respond to pigasses.
I just want to share: I have been almost around the world and speaking of the Philippines, I have been there over 10 times since I started my travels. There are more than 7,000 islands and I guess we should be able to judge the populace in general only after we have met the majority of them or at least have stayed in 1% or more of the 7,000+ islands. That means 70 destinations if my Math is correct. I have seen the dirty places as well as the beautiful parts of the country and yes, I have seen both the good and bad people as I was almost kidnapped twice while vacationing but that was only twice! Majority of my stay there was wonderful and not because of whores! Heck, no! I would not throw even a dime for a whore.
I too had my heart-breaking experience I say, and yes, by a Filipina. Not because she cheated on me but because she is an unreachable star for an ordinary guy like me who earns $62,000 a year.
Here’s my story: Years ago, I was in a dating site and I saw this woman -petite and pretty. In short, I went to her island in the central part of the Philippines to see her for real. I never knew that the one talking with me was her friend who posted her in a dating site hoping she could match her with someone. To my surprise, she is a smart accountant-lawyer who runs her own office with 9 people working with her: 1 driver, 4 office staff, 3 house helper, 1 cook. In no way that this lady would ever be busy replying to me in a dating site.
I am not angry with her friend for the “joke” and I remain thankful I got to know her. I am still hoping for a miracle to happen. I know for sure that she would not want to leave her native town as her family owns properties there. I also know that her whole family being educated would not be impressed of a foreigner because of their traditional mentality. In her hometown, they say that only the poor family would agree that their daughter would marry a foreigner. Well, I guess for every island there, there are different values, traditions, beliefs, etc. Now I am thinking, if not dreaming of possibilities that if and only if she would say yes to me, I will probably sell my house here, resign from my job and start life with her in the land she loves most. I am 43, she is 35 and we both were never married---so help me God before the world ends! –waiting4miracle
@objectivelyspeaking:
Welcome back!
Yes, I have been accused of "slander" and called a "racist".
It is not slander if it is true.
As for being racist, if one Muslim condemns another for terrorism, is that racist, too?
Don't forget that I am also originally from South East Asia, too.
I see the truth and call out shit when I see it.
That doesn't make me slanderous or racist.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, you can see for yourself that there have been a lot of games played in this thread during your absence.
Some people have posted using multiple identities and have accused me of doing what they have done.
I do not have a facebook account, yet one of them claims to have tracked me down through facebook and have claimed to have spoken to one of my friends who said that I am not really a lawyer. None of my friends would say that because in truth I am really a lawyer.
One of them even claimed to track me down through my IP address, but I am not even using a computer. I am using my iPhone to access this board.
And lastly, they claim I am "bitter" because I have been scammed by a filipina. If I ever had a relationship with a filipina, then it must have been in an alternate universe.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I think your post about the filipino culture is quite revealing and insightful.
I think that there is a collective consciousness which creates a defeatist mode of thinking. Poverty creates an entitlement to find a quick fix that eschews hard work and any real effort to better oneself in the right way.
I have met a few filipinos in my life time whom were very hard working people with decent values, however, most of them simply expected entitlements without exerting much effort.
I love Filipinas...they make some of the best "rentals" in the world, seconded only by Thais.
Flips will hang around as long as you have money...when the money goes, so do they. This is after all why God invented "short-time".
They want your $$$ and you want to get a piece of their a$$...fair enough business transaction minus the drama of a "relationship".
I don't judge Pinays though more or less than any other woman...I don't trust any of blood-suckers!
@LinuVrai:
But if you say that there are documentaries shown to filipinas about the abuse that may happen to them abroad, then you are inadevertently admitting that filipinas marry primarily for economic and migration reasons.
If someone was going to warn me about me entering into a snake pit before hand and that I might be bitten and poisoned, why the fuck would I still go into the snake pit?
Unless I was convinced that there was gold to be found in the snake pit nevertheless.
You need to stop with the bullshit and turn this argument against the Western men.
Yes, I have already admitted that a number of Western men go to the Philippines in order to exploit your women sexually and for other nefarious purposes. I think that it is disgusting and not something I would support or commend.
The whole purpose of this very article is to highlight your own cultural phenomenon of your own women tricking Western men into marriage and then destroying their lives.
The issue is not whether these men should have been more intelligent in order to avoid being used and exploited. Being trusting and gullible does not mean these men deserve what your women put them through.
Filipinas can be compared to the creature known as the xenomorph from the movie Aliens with Sigourney Weaver. The creature is a parasite that implants itself in a host, sucks up their host's nutrients before killing them by bursting out of their chest.
I think that analogy describes perfectly your fellow filipinas' views to marriage.
Like the alien creature I described, filipinas have to survive too, I guess...
@Poon Punisher:
What you are describing is the profession of prostitution.
But I think the profession also extends to someone marrying another only for economic and migration reasons.
There is still the act of selling oneself for an external, material benefit.
Does that sound familiar to anyone here?
@TanfromAustralia
Absolutely correct!
Their are good and bad Pinays, just as their are good/bad in any culture.
I love Asian women for their physical beauty (albeit I like the culture as well).
...but for the fellas who think they will travel to The Land of Promise (PI) to "find a wife"...that's retarded.
1. The search is based on the physical characteristics.
2. The search is based on personal prowess amongst them (ie. you have money and they don't...they need it and you got it) - Pure economics.
You bring money to the table and they bring their ass to the table.
The above works out fine until the $ runs out or the looks fade.
***I have a totally different opinion for those who live in the PI and meet a decent woman or have met a Pinay in their own country...but to travel their with the intention of "finding a wife" or "meeting one online" is absurd.
Absolutely spot on!
This is coming from a former immigration lawyer who has seen a lot.
@LiluVral: I agree with you the educated and upperclass Filipinos disaprove of their daughters marrying kanos.
But its the poor lowerclass filipinos who think nothing of targeting unsuspecting kanos for their daughters, nieces, cousins because they know they have money and are scheming to get that money. Best way is through a clueless bobo kano who will gladly hand over his paycheck to his lovely pinay wife for her to send to her family.
There are many "mail order bride" websites, for example "A Foreign Affair" (www.loveme.com), featuring filipinas age 18-50 from Cebu, Davao, Manila, etc., looking for Western men. WHY? There are many 18-24 year olds stating in their profile "age does not matter, seeking "mature men up to 55". WHY? If these filipinas prefer older men because older men are mature-minded, sensible, stable, WHY are they not seeking mature filipino men? It all boils down to Money and how to take it from him, doesn't it?
They know older men are vulnerable and have insecurities which could be exploited.
TanfromAustralia,
You mention filipinas have a prostitute mindset that is ingrained into their culture. I wouldn't quite put it in those terms, but it is on the mark.
I ran across an article about the Philippines and its remittance economy in the 9 Feb 2010 issue of "The Economist" magazine titled, "People, the Philippines' best export." The Philippine government encourages its people to emigrate and send remittances back to the Philippines. Remittances amount to 11% of their economy.
When you think about it, this is exactly the mindset and operating tactics of pimps.
That is the fundamental problem with the Filipino mindset. Now I don't dislike Filipinos personally; many are warm and hospitable people....until money enters the picture. I dislike their opportunist and mercenary behavior and end-justifies-the-means attitude. I have yet to meet any native Filipino or Filipina who wouldn't do ANYTHING for monetary gain, even if it is ethically or morally (by western standards) questionable.
And its not just the Philippines, I've seen the same opportunist and mercenary behavior in Thailand and most Latin American countries...wherever you have a corrupt government and extreme poverty and people who are desperately trying to survive.
@Halwick:
The prostitute mindset applies for filipinas whilst the pimp mindset applies to their government and their men.
I have seen so many cases where instead of wanting to work for a living, filipino men pimp out their mothers, wives, girlfriends and daughters to foreign so they could rely on money from the foreign men to live on.
I find the idea of that both disturbing and offensive.
There are many Middle Eastern countries which are poverty stricken as well and you don't see their women prostituting themselves.
The Philippino government is corrupt, lazy and ineffective to fail its own people on such a large scale. It's like a disease that is trying to infect other countries.
@TanfromAustralia - thank you. Yes I have been following the thread while on vacation although I did not have internet access every day. The most troubling thing about these pinays out for blood is their duplicity. Someone posted on another board that foreigners get in trouble with bad-eggs PH people because the former regarded the latter with the same code of ethics as their own in foreign societies. Bad-egg PH people can be quite something else, capable of deception, manipulation and back-biting unheard of in other societies. I hear this type of comment quite spontaneously from people in a work environment, on topics completely unrelated to filipinas marrying foreigners.
When Sumatra was hit by the tsunami in 2004, pinays were all over Chinese malls with little cards and pouches asking for donations for the tsunami victims. Erm...as far as I know, Sumatra is a big island in Indonesia, not the Philippines. And boy were their pleading facial expressions, fluttering eyelids, coy smiles and all, ever so convincing. That's the "cunning" Ultramagnus is talking about. Imagine the sex factor involved when it comes to entrapping men. They are also famous for falsely accusing people of "crimes" never committed. I have found reports all over the web on this. How does one know when to be safe around them when the trust factor is so seriously threatened? Yet people fall in love with filipinas on internet sites? And matchmaking through a mutual contact? In what century are we??
@objectivelyspeaking:
You can tell a filipina is lying when her lips are moving. They are brilliant actresses all capable of Oscar nominations.
Based upon my intelligence and experience, I just KNOW in my gut that my best friend is being scammed by that whore, but I feel totally helpless about it at the moment because I cannot change his mind.
I had a conversation with him last night during which he told me some things which disturbed me further.
Apparently, he and this girl have known each other in Hong Kong for about 3 years where she was working as a "nanny" (yeah, I know, I had to laugh, too). He has never met any of her family nor has he verified any of the information she told him about her past and her background.
So...he is going into this marriage based upon his reliance of everything she told him about herself. What a stupid idiot my friend is, but it is his mistake to make, it is his life to live, not mine.
She told him that she doesn't need any money because she is from a middle class background, yet she works as a "nanny" in Hong Kong and wants to migrate to Australia. What the fuck?! An intelligent man would have picked up on that bullshit already.
By the way, I am very impressed about your background. I too came from an impoverished background. When I was going through law school, I was working in a cafe washing dishes to support myself. I used to work 10 hour days in hot, cramped conditions and when I got home, I would have to study. That experience made me a tough and disciplined person, but most importantly, I felt pride in myself because I was not dependent on anyone else financially.
Back then, I did not have any money to enjoy the finer things in life, so I just went without them.
I understand you because I came from a similar perspective, which is why I absolutely have no toleration for the cultural traits espoused by the filipino people.
@TanfromAustralia - to quote you "I did not have any money to enjoy the finer things in life, so I just went without them." This is the crux of the problem with the so-called gold-digging and opportunistic pinays and their scheming blood-sucking families. They are NOT contented to live without the finer things in life that they cannot afford. Ninoy Aquino talked about this in his famous speech 43 years ago. Herein is the problem with PH. Long-time foreign expats have confirmed this, I believe it was @mytwocents further up on this board - that greed and materialism are the driving forces behind their despicable schemes against unsuspecting foreigners. Many Western journalists have written extensively about Asian and SEA economies and social issues. I came across a comparison of per capita GDP against median income across board for all Asian countries. If I remember correctly, even for one of the 4 Asian Tigers like Singapore, while the per capita GDP was some USD45K, the median family income was a mere USD22K. Given the price of real estate and cost of living in an affluent country like Singapore, 22K pa hardly buys a life of luxury. But people are contented to live within their means, live without what they can't afford. Same in HK, S. Korea and Taiwan. People go to work, live with what they've got, not scheme to rip foreigners off the way bad-eggs PH people do...on a grand enough scale that foreigners who have been screwed over are posting about it all over the internet. Go figure.
@objectivelyspeaking:
If you put it in that context, then there needs to be a distinction made between those people whom are purely poverty stricken and destitute by not having a roof over their heads and no food to eat, compared to people whom are merely economically challenged and just want to be opportunists by scamming other people as a means of social mobility.
Yes, I think it is unfair that someone in the Philippines might have to work harder than me for way less pay. It is unfair that someone in the Philippines may not have access to the finer things in life to enjoy. It is unfair that some people are trapped there and cannot get out.
The world is not fair. It is what it is. I don't mean to sound harsh, but we need to accept our lot in life.
Having a difficult life does not provide justification for what these pinays do.
Vietnamese women wed foreigners to aid family
TAN LOC ISLAND, Vietnam — Nearly 70 young Vietnamese women swept past in groups of five, twirling and posing like fashion models, all competing for the hand of a Taiwanese man who had paid a matchmaking service about $6,000 for the privilege of marrying one of them.
Sporting jeans and a black T-shirt, 20-year-old Le Thi Ngoc Quyen paraded in front of the stranger, hoping he would select her.
"I felt very nervous," she recalled recently as she described the scene. "But he chose me, and I agreed to marry him right away."
Like many women from the Mekong Delta island of Tan Loc, Quyen had concluded that finding a foreign husband was her best route out of poverty. Six years later, she has a beautiful daughter and no regrets.
Men are mostly from Taiwan and South Korea
From the delta in Vietnam's south to small rural towns in the north, a growing number of young Vietnamese women are marrying foreigners, mostly from Taiwan and South Korea. They seek material comfort and, most important, a way to save their parents from destitution in old age, which many Vietnamese consider their greatest duty.
Young women have become Tan Loc's most lucrative export. Roughly 1,500 village women from the island of 33,000 people have married foreigners in the past decade, leading some to call it Taiwan Island.
Women in Tan Loc and other delta towns began marrying foreigners in the 1990s, when Vietnam opened up economically and many Taiwanese and South Korean firms set up operations in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam's southern business hub.
Poverty and the close proximity of foreign businessmen seem to be major reasons for the trend. The biggest complaints come from women's groups, who consider it demeaning, and from young village men for whom the pool of potential brides is shrinking.
With money from foreign sons-in-law, many residents in Tan Loc have replaced their thatch-roof shacks with brick homes. They have also opened small restaurants and shops, creating jobs in a place where people have traditionally earned pennies a day picking rice and other crops in the blistering sun.
The luckier families received enough to build ponds for fish farming.
Western Union has opened a branch to handle the money sent by newlyweds.
"At least 20 percent of the families on the island have been lifted out of poverty," said Phan An, a university professor who has done extensive research in Tan Loc. "There has been a significant economic impact."
Some marriages fail
Not all the marriages work out, of course.
Dam Psi Kin Sa went to Taiwan nine years ago, at the age of 20, and married a Taiwanese car wash owner more than twice her age who had been divorced three times. She met him through a matchmaking service.
Five years later, her husband demanded a divorce and locked her out of the house. Even though she had learned his language, Mandarin Chinese, the couple had trouble communicating. "We were angry at each other in a quiet way," she said in Taipei, where she has remained to be close to her daughter.
Over the past year, one Vietnamese bride was beaten to death by her South Korean husband, another jumped out a 14th-story window and a third hanged herself on Valentine's Day, leaving behind a diary full of misery.
"A marriage that is not based on love often brings problems," said Hoang Thi Thanh Ha of the Vietnam Women's Union. "How can you live happily ever after when you met your husband three weeks before the wedding?"
Nevertheless, most young women in Tan Loc seem eager to marry a foreigner. Le Thanh Lang recently went to the town hall to get papers confirming she is single and eligible to marry.
"Any country will do, I'll take anyone who will accept me," she said, waving the papers. "I need to send money to my parents."
Besides the marriage broker's fee, the groom gives about $300 to his bride's family, Lang said. After that, if all goes well, her husband may send up to several thousand dollars a year to her family — depending on what he can afford.
Husbands send money to brides' families
Many Tan Loc families with married daughters abroad have big homes with color TVs, new furniture and karaoke machines.
Their neighbors live in huts.
Tran Thi Sach's concrete home, with four large rooms and shiny green tile floors, is a mansion by island standards.
"Since my daughters got married, I've retired," said Sach, 59, who used to toil in the
rice fields with her husband.
"We lived in a shack," she said. "We had to work no matter how hot it was, no matter how much it rained, from 5 in the morning until 5 in the afternoon. Sometimes we could only afford rice porridge."
When her daughter Tho first said she planned to go to a marriage broker, Sach objected. What if her in-laws abused her? Where would she turn for help?
Tho married six years ago, and her younger sister Loi two years later.
"Their husbands are gentle, handsome and hardworking," Sach said. "They are really fine men."
Next door, Nguyen Thi Chin lives in a two-room shack with the roof so leaky that when it rains she must move from spot to spot to avoid getting wet. Each of her seven children married a Vietnamese, all of them poor. At 70, she is still working, pulling mussels from the muck in the Mekong River.
"I could never have a house like that," Chin said, glancing next door. "It's my destiny to be poor. If I had another daughter, I'd ask her to marry a foreigner."
Numbers of weddings to foreigners on rise
More than 100,000 Vietnamese women have married Taiwanese men over the last 10 years and the numbers are rising, said Gow Wei Chiou of the Taiwan representative office in Hanoi. In the same period, roughly 28,000 Korean men married Vietnamese, according to the Vietnam Women's Union.
As more Taiwanese and Korean women move to cities to work, many men in those countries, especially those from rural areas, face increasing difficulty finding wives, said Chiou.
"Taiwanese women want to get married when they are much older, and they are also very opinionated," said Lin Wen-jui, 39, who met his Vietnamese wife through a Taiwanese friend in Ho Chi Minh City. She has since taken a Taiwanese name, learned Mandarin and opened a restaurant.
The overseas marriage trend has been boosted by online matchmaking services such as the Singapore-based Mr. Cupid, which offers a "comprehensive Vietnamese marriage package" and five-day matchmaking tours. "No one ever came on our trip without finding their dream bride," the site boasts.
In 2002, not long after Quyen went through her paces for her Taiwanese future husband, the Vietnam government outlawed commercial matchmaking services. Vietnamese media were reporting the phenomenon in vivid detail, and authorities said they were concerned that the business could be a cover for trafficking women into prostitution.
"They take hundreds of women at a time to a hotel and line them up for the men," said Nguyen Thi Ngoc Hanh, vice chairwoman of the Ho Chi Minh City Women's Union, a government agency that supports women. "It's very disrespectful."
But although driven underground, the practice continues, abetted by village matchmakers and secluded meetings with suitors.
Half the brides in such marriages are under 21, half the grooms between 40 and 60.
"Sometimes the men ask them to pose naked," Nguyen said "It's inhumane."
Memories of the matchmaking
Quyen still has vivid memories of going to the matchmaker's house in Ho Chi Minh City, a 120-mile bus ride and a world away from Tan Loc.
"I was scared," she said.
Quyen made the final five. Speaking through an interpreter, the man asked a few simple questions: How many brothers and sisters do you have? How far did you go in school?
They had dinner and Quyen agreed to marry him on the spot.
"My life in Taiwan is good," she said during a visit to Tan Loc. "My husband and his family treat me well."
Life is not so good, however, for the young men in Tan Loc who watch the exodus of marriage-aged women with despair.
"If all the girls leave," said Nguyen Hoang Mong, 19. "there won't be anyone left for us. Marriage shouldn't be about money. It should be about love
You can find a Russian, Middle Eastern, Thai and Eastern European version of that "article" as well. So what?
The article in this thread is about filipinas. Don't try to deflect.
Marriage mirage: Vietnamese women marry foreigners
Many women from Can Tho Province get married with foreigners in a hopes of a better life, but reality doesn’t always match up with their dreams.
Every year, since 2005, around 2,000 women in Can Tho have decided to marry foreign men.
The Department of Justice of Can Tho Province decided to address the issue at a seminar on March 10, in Can Tho City. The provincial Women Union, together with the Korean Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City, held the seminar in order to discuss measures to improve the quality of such marriages.
More than 8,000 women in Can Tho have got married with Korean men in the past five years, according to the department.
Huynh Thanh Thao, Vice Chairwoman of the union explained that simple marriage registration procedures have resulted in the increasing number of Vietnamese brides in Korea in recent years.
In 2010, 1,364 marriages were recorded between Vietnamese
There have been many adverse effects because not enough attention was paid to the suitability of the couples before marriage, according to Thao. Aside from divorce, there have been incidences of Vietnamese women being killed or forced to commit suicide.
Between 2007 and 2010, there were 107 requests for divorce from Vietnamese brides, she said.
The rate of divorce in marriages between Korean men and Vietnamese women is around 65%. Of these, 99% of the petitions originate from Vietnamese women.
Thao said, “Many of these marriages come from a desire on the woman’s part to improve their living conditions.”
“Most of these girls come from poor families, and they may not pay due consideration to the reality of the lives they will lead after marriage,” Thao noted.
Many of these Vietnamese brides have trouble adapting to life in Korea, and their husbands’ families, said Jeong Mi Sook, Deputy Consul of the Korea Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City.
Also, according to Nguyen Thi Bao Tran, a justice official from Phong Dien district, “Many Vietnamese girls get married with Korean men to fulfill their parents’ wishes. They consider this is a fashionable trend and want to emulate the life changes that they imagined from the stories of their friends who have done the same.”
One option that was put on the table at the conference was to draft regulations that would address the issue in Can Tho. These regulations would be aimed at protecting the rights of Vietnamese brides who get married to foreigners, and to help solve any marital conflicts.
More than 90% of marriages between Vietnamese women and Korean men are arranged through illegal matchmaking agencies. Currently, around 30,000 Vietnamese wives are living in South Korea.
Co mot ngay cuoi tuan tot ??p. Chuc ngu ngon!
i still love filipinas..no matter what...i love their culture and the beauties from within...you just have to find a girl just like mine...raise from a nice family...intelect and kind..good luck to you guys out there...im gonna marry...this month....
@mexican: Boda feliz y buena suerte.
From my observations here in the U.S., marriages between filipinas and latinos actually works out better. They have very similar cultures....not to mention the same mercenary and opportunist outlook. They deserve each other.
Chao,mexican:Good 4 u. if ur a mexican and not korean or taiwainese, try not to marry vietnamese. filipinas is not that bad as long as long as they r not prostitutes. malaysia,taiwan,singapore and china women will also b good wife. TL comes from all different countries. do not go 2 VN 4 they will be over u whoever u r as long as they escape from poverty just like all the prostitutes all over the world. do what u want 2 do and you can also try malaysia,taiwan,singapore and china women.good luck.
co mot thoi gian...
@ mexican: mucho suerte para tu futur y que tus deseos se hagan realidad.
Sounds awfully like the wanker with the gun obsession and the complex, albeit back under another name and up to his old tricks again.
Some agendas are as transparent as glass.
In a word: Girls – be careful!
We’ve translated and summarized a series of stories from VNExpress about the business of brokering marriages betwen Vietnamese women and Korean men. Here are typical reader’s comments.
LookAtVietnam – We’ve translated and summarized a series of stories from the online paper VietNam Express about the booming business of brokering marriages between Vietnamese women and Korean men. The stories have triggered hundreds of letters to VietNam Express from its readers. Here are typical reader’s comments.
As a Vietnamese man, I always protest Vietnamese girls marrying foreign men. The fundamental solution is creating jobs for rural women so they can have stable sources of income and can live in their homeland. If that’s not done, this situation will persist forever, even though the law forbids it. I hope the state can solve the fundamental problem. (Duong Phan)
I’m sad. Many girls have not cared about their honor just because of money. Even sadder, Vietnamese law is too loose. (Bui Tan Man)
Who will Vietnamese men marry? Korean women don’t want to marry unsuccessful men so Korean men go to Vietnam to seek wives. Where will Vietnamese men go to seek wives? (Thu Nam)
Government agencies must intervene. It’s so sad to read stories about Vietnamese girls who are maltreated or even killed by their Korean boyfriends in Vietnam. Please be watchful, you Vietnamese girls who dream of marrying foreign men! In my view, Government agencies must do more to educate girls and deter such marriages, to minimize unfortunate consequences. (Quang Tuan)
Learn from Cambodia. Our male-female balance is at an alarming level already. Vietnam should learn from Cambodia and adjust the laws on marriage with foreign men. Further, these Korean grooms don’t have good jobs. They belong to low social classes in their country and local women don’t want to marry them. But they can immediately have young, pretty and obedient, especiallyâ?¦ cheap wives when they go to Vietnam. Does anyone feel this pain? (Nguyen Trung Nam)
Vietnamese people in the eyes of foreigners. As an overseas student, I felt great anguish when a Taiwanese asked me “How is it that we can buy Vietnamese girls at such cheap prices?” Good Taiwanese friends told me that if I know any girl who wants to marry a Taiwanese men, I should tell them to not do it because 99 percent of Taiwanese grooms are rural or disabled men. (Nguyen Tuan Anh)
Gambling their lives. The young women don’t understand about overseas life. All of them imagine that foreign countries are heaven, places where they can have a new life. That is the mistake that any naive girl can make.
It is very difficult to integrate into the life of foreign countries because of cultural and lifestyle differences. It is also lonely. Everyone has to work to maintain their lives. In a developed country, they have to work very hard.
Girls, don’t believe your lives will become happy if you get married to a foreign man. Those who gamble with their lives and are unlucky must pay a very high price. It’s better to respect your values and strive to make a happy life in your homeland. (Ta Duc Thong)
Disguised trafficking. It is very sad to read these stories. Are Vietnamese women so cheap? What can we do to stop this situation? Why doesn’t Vietnam ban such marriages like Cambodia? We should raise our voices in our communities about this issue. Let’s do what we can to stop it! (Minh Vien)
Create a good environment for Vietnamese women. I don’t understand why we ask the state to copy Cambodia’s policy. It is a human right to marry anyone one likes, if they have civil capacity. Why should we prohibit Vietnamese people from marrying the people of this or that country. Suppose such people are in love? Cambodia only bans temporary marriages with foreigners and I think they are seeking an optimal method.
I think that nobody wants to marry someone they don’t love, who is much older than them, and with whom there are language and cultural barriers. You Vietnamese men need to take a good look at yourselves and they way you treat women.
Our society needs to create jobs and better conditions for women to become more socially aware. If foreign men want to marry Vietnamese women, we should not ban them but help our women to learn more about foreign men so they can make good decisions. (Andy)
Why bar people from making choices? Why should the State prohibit Vietnamese men or women from marrying foreigners? They have the right to choose. We should organize clubs, for example a club for Korean grooms in Vietnam and a club for Vietnamese brides in South Korea.
These clubs can provide information for people to learn about each other, the culture, customs and habits of both countries. They will also protect the interest of Vietnamese brides in South Korea.
Please don’t think that if you can’t control something you ought to ban it! If our newspapers only report about Korean-Vietnamese marriages turning out badly, it will hurt Vietnamese brides, their Korean husbands and especially their children when they visit their mother’s homeland.
Girls can take care of their lives. If they are happy, they will stay abroad, otherwise they will return home. Some may unluckily marrry brutal men but that ratio is not high, otherwise they would not go to Korea. It is better to live far from home if you can have a better life and send some money home to the parents than to live in Vietnam with a despotic husband who forbids a wife to help her parents. (Fiat1.6)
Legal framework lacking. Sixty-five percent of the foreign brides in South Korea are Chinese and Vietnamese. Getting married to foreign men happens in other countries, too. But how it happens and how it differed in each country is the issue of law.
Rural girls have the right to wish for a better life and to be able to assist their families. They marry the foreign men voluntarily. We only lack a proper legal framework. (Vinh)
Education and jobs are the key. Do you see any girl who has graduated from a university or has a stable job lining up at the marriage brokers to get a Korean or Taiwanese husband? If one has no job, one dreams of changing one’s life. And why would any woman prefer a Vietnamese husband if he’s a drunken oaf, a wife-beater and one who disdains her parents? If that were my only choice here, probably I’d think of marrying a foreigner myself. (Le Annie)
Marriage brokers ought to be heavily punished. Why don’t government agencies intervene to prevent such activities? (Anh Minh)
Korean grooms are really very poor. I’m working in South Korea so I know about real life there. My advice is not to marry a Korean man because they are really poor. Their income is no more than the income of workers like me and they are all from rural areas. Often they leave their foreign wives at home with their parents while they work in industrial zones, and only come back home one every few months. Elderly Koreans are often very demanding, so many Vietnamese brides are treated badly.
Moreover, many men only marry you to have children. If you can’t bear a child, you may be divorced and sent home. Sometimes after giving birth to a child, you’ll be sent home anyway. Another matter is that in your first years in South Korea, you don’t have Korean nationality so you are not protected by the local laws. You can become victims of violence. (Hoang)
It is quite common. I see this ‘brokerage’ going on every day. Sometimes the girls have to strip naked for the Korean men to choose. At 107 Nguyen Du, District 1, HCM City you can see top brokers, both Korean and Vietnamese. It is sad that ‘selections’ take place publicly at two schools, Nguyen Du and the Conservatory of Music. I hope the authorities do something to stop it. (Thanh Hoang)
There is no happiness when you are tricked. I’m living in South Korea with my Korean husband. I married him through brokerage. I cried when I was chosen by my husband from among hundreds of girls. I agreed to follow him within several minutes. At that time I only know his name and tha
In your post just above, you refer to yourself "as a Vietnamese man" yet in the same post you state that "I was chosen by my husband".
Are you experiencing gender identity crisis or are you really the dickhead troll Dan in disguise?
You are still trying to figure out your head from your arse, it seems.
Tan, Toi khong hieu.Ong ?ang dan toi ?i ?au?
I believe they're quotes from VietNam Express. Does say at the beginning.
Toi muon noi chuyen voi luat s?. Can giup cho toi.
tan and moneycantbuymelove are same people?tan,let us talk in our native language and make it long so I can reply to u.
@TanfromAustralia - yes we are on the same page. "Greed" and "Materialism" are the 2 dirty words being the driving forces for bag-egg pinays' scamming and screwing foreign men over. There is no justification for unethical acts towards the next person no matter which way anyone tries to cut it. There should be zero tolerance at all times. This is what we have been speaking up for all this time.
And @moneycantbuymelove is right - I was going to say the same.
I can't read the Vietnamese language, but let's observe Hanoi Jane's trilingual postings. If it isn't Dan the imposter poster, then it may be a fellow countryman of yours trying to alert you to a growing problem in Vietnam, because @Hanoi Jane (probably a male) does not want Vietnam to become the next PH of Asia.
From the content of the postings, there seems to be a call to stem this outflow of Vietnamese girls through marriage but providing them with incentives to stay in the home country. There is concern for Vietnamese men landing in the same plight as young pinoys losing their girlfriends to foreign men with more money. There is a call to protect the Vietnamese women from abuse by foreign husbands. These are all opposites to the trends in PH of proactive exportation of filipinas by their own nationals.
? I'm amazed at how many times i've been accused of being someone else here!
How do work out i am Tan???
i still waiting for the long conversation in our native language so i can reply 2 u,tan/moneycantbuymelove.
You're a dickhead Dan.
You're a dickhead Dan.
objectivelyspeaking n me is on the same page but i want to talk to tan in our native language. I want him to make it a long conversation so I can reply to him/her and that I can speak in vietnamese and not on phrases according to Tan who is also moneycantbuymelove.
i do not think tan want 2 talk 2 me on our native language so all i can say is Chao.
Oh well. Maybe Hanoi Jane hasn't read all posts.
I give up, it's late here and i need sleep.
I am not juggling multiple identities.
And I don't waste my time on you because you are trying to divert attention away from the original topic...
@TanfromAustralia - the previous post in my pseudonym was really me. Now we can write off both "Hanoi Jane" and "moneycantbuymelove" once and for all.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thanks for the clarification.
objectivelyspeaking, tan misinterpret that the horrific tragedies from comments coming from women from vietnam married to foreigners.tan is only reading the last comment of one of the vietnemese woman experience and open his mouth that i cannot figure out whether i am male/female.
Here are the discontinued horrific tragedies that he did not get to read:
There is no happiness when you are tricked. I’m living in South Korea with my Korean husband. I married him through brokerage. I cried when my husband from among hundreds of girls chose me. I agreed to follow him within several minutes. At that time I only know his name and that he was 38 years old.
After three months of doing paperwork, I went to Korea and my dream collapsed completely. My husband is unemployed and an epileptic – something I’d never been told. At first I suffered great misery. I cried a lot, missing my home and knowing I’d been cheated. However, my husband is very gentle and my parents-in-law are very kind to me, because they know that I suffer in this marriage. I’m luckier than many other Vietnamese brides in Korea. I accept this life and try to overcome difficulties. I hope others in similar circumstances will also succeed. (Nguyen Thi Hong)
No free lunch. I’m living in South Korea and I’ve met many Vietnamese women here. I’d estimate that out of 100 Korean-Vietnamese couples, only two or three are living at a “satisfying” level. I don’t dare say ‘happy.’ I think when they agree to marry Korean men after several minutes, young women don’t hope to build a happy family. They have to accept what the marriage brings.
I see many good husbands who give their all money to their wives to manage but it depends on the wives, too. They must face reality and make an effort. There is no free lunch! (Khoai)
Cruel parents. I’m a photographer and I sometimes take photos for young girls to send to Taiwan grooms. Seeing these girls, I feel very sad that some parents force their daughters to get married with foreigners to change their lives. They don’t think about their daughters’ happiness. (Viet Long)
My life is ruined. The go-between, who assured me that my current husband is very gentle, a university graduate and an office employee cheated me. Within two weeks after I came to Korea, I knew that I was tricked.
My husband is a brute. Sometimes he wakes me at midnight to press his fingers into dangerous spots in my body. My husband and his mother told me that in Vietnam and Korea, it is normal for husbands to beat their wives. It is their ways of show their love.
I’m thoroughly fed up and have made up my mind to return home. However the officials told me to wait. I don’t know how long I will have to wait. I want to tell my story so other girls will know and avoid bride ‘selections.’
Briefly, we are seen as cheap girls and I hope the Government will abolish marriage brokerage in our country. (Nguyen Thi Thu Huong)
The ‘brides’ dream of eating well and wearing beautiful clothes. I think differently. I think it is a shame for Vietnamese women. Only a very few of the women who get married via brokers are forced to live hard lives. Others are lazy women who want a life of luxury, don’t want to struggle to achieve it themselves but rely on luck through marrying foreigners. (Knight)
Just fate. I witnessed a bride selection in Hai Phong. Actually, looking at the future grooms I couldn’t image that they were selecting wives. A group of men wore black suits. Some looked odd.
Escaping from poverty by marrying foreigners is a fact in not only Vietnam but also in China and some other Southeast Asian countries. We can’t ban because Vietnam is too poor and it’s too difficult for rural girls to escape from poverty. (Ha Thi Phuong Dung)
What is the truth? I have been working at a factory in Korea for four years and I know the facts. A man with monthly income of $5000 can easily marry a Korean wife because the average worker’s income here is from $1000-2000 per month. So why would they go to Vietnam to seek a wife? About handsomeness: unemployed men can be handsome. Be careful, girls! (bake_kr)
A ‘love market’ may be a good idea. I’ve been to many countries in the world and I see that life in Vietnam is the best. I wish our leaders to create jobs for Vietnamese people to help them escape from poverty. Our media must report about unlucky lives of Vietnamese women in Korea to awaken rural girls.
Girls, there are many good men in Vietnam for you to marry. You just don’t have opportunity to see them. A ‘love market’ — like in China — may be a good idea. (Dung Pham)
Chao
@TanfromAustralia, @objectivelyspeaking:
I agree Hanoi Jane has got to be Dan/Danlovesfilipinas.
- In a post to @mexican, he advises not to marry vietnamese women and is anti-vietnamese in other postngs, which is odd considering the name "Hanoi Jane".
- Also he posts a message to @mexican in spanish. How many vietnamese do you know speaks spanish?
- I noticed the same baiting tactics used in trying to "communicate" with you in vietnamese 1-on-1.
@Halwick:
Of course we figured out that Dan is pretending to be "Hanoi Jane".
That is exactly why I avoided "Hanoi Jane".
"Hanoi Jane" is multi-lingual and one minute she is anti-Vietnam and the next she is pro-Vietnam.
"She" is trying to play the exact same games Dan played.
The only problem is: we are too intelligent to fall for it.
You know what? I'm starting to think that Dan is obsessed with making this entire thread go away because maybe he has some sort of vested interest in sex tourism in the Philippines.
Maybe he runs some sort of dating agency that introduces filipinas to Western men or something like that.
Maybe this thread and the truths exposed is bad for his business.
Being 1/2 filipino in itself does not make one necessarily obsessed and being on the defensive like him.
It must be a business motivation...because I think that deep down he is not really convinced with the defences he himself has put forward.
First he tried to play games by posting as other people, then he resorted to making blatant assumptions and lies about people, then he resorted to bullying and intimidation before resorting to writing purely in tagalog.
He doesn't want to cripple the chief economy of his motherland, an economy based mainly on prostitution in its various forms.
Thank you @Halwick for the advice. I don't have a devious mind so I didn't catch it at first. From now on I will wait for you and @TanfromAustralia to ascertain poster identity before commenting on newcomers' posts.
Yes @TanfromAustralia is right. I have found evidence on other boards it is a business. A Canadian man further up this board has shared that his filipina had asked him to hook up good guys for more of them. Then he himself got dumped for someone richer (and older) in the US. Below is one I found on another board:
"I know of an American Guy in Cleveland Ohio with a filipino wife, that rounds up single men and plans a trip once a year. He introduces the recruits he bring to cousins, neices, whomever in the Philipines. One instance, one of the recruits got a philipino girl pregnant, she and he then had to wait until the child was born to apply for fiancŽe visa. This past October the Philipino girl arrived at the airport in Manila to come to the USA on her fiancŽe visa and was told her ticket was cancelled. The Philipino girl called the Sensai in Cleveland ohio, who then paid for her flight here to the USA, on a fiancŽe visa that the american guy wanted no part of. She came here for 90 days, and the Cleveland Ohio guy took this girl and introduced her and 4 month old son, to as many men he possibly could even married ones. These girls are whores, will sleep with and do the most disgusting things, for money. I'm glad she is gone, and won't be back anytime soon. She wants the men she met here to support her and her kid back in the philipines, send money, put minutes on cell phone, you name it and calls at 430am est. These woman are whores and home wreckers BEWARE!"
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, it was a bit devious to introduce the "Vietnam" issue in order to divert attention away from the real subject matter of this thread.
Apart from seeing through the charade of "Hanoi Jane", I did not engage in discussion about Vietnam because I did not want to be seen as blindly defending Vietnam because I am of Vietnamese descent.
I will be the first to admit that Vietnam has its fair share of problems, too, as you can about China.
Vietnam and China are countries which have been devastated by political instability, and although not free from other problems which plague other Asian countries, Vietnam and China are rebuilding themselves to be positive contributors in the international area.
But this thread isn't about Vietnam, China, Russia or the Middle East.
This thread is about a specific filipina phenomenon that is making an international impact.
@TanfromAustralia - totally agree with your last post.
@Halwick & @objectivelyspeaking:
There are a few people who are trying very desperately to make this very thread disappear.
They are trying to encourage some posters to hook up with filipinas as well as making up lies about me in an attempt to discredit my experience as an immigration lawyer. Then they tried to divert discussion away to issues about Vietnam and human trafficking. What the fuck do those topics have in common with the topic of filipinas scamming men into marriage?
They obviously don't want Western men to read some of the anti views on here.
It's all a business to them. What we are doing is clearly bad for business...
From now on, if new posters introduce topics which are not related to this thread, I shall put them on my ignore list. I won't waste my time to reply.
I don't want to get into a discussion about the Philippines vs. Vietnam vs. China vs. Russia vs. Thailand vs. the Middle East vs. nonsense.
@TanfromAustralia,
Re Dan: "...First he tried to play games by posting as other people, then he resorted to making blatant assumptions and lies about people, then he resorted to bullying and intimidation before resorting to writing purely in tagalog..."
Typical FLIP behavior and another reason to be wary of dealings with pinoys and pinays whether it's romance or business.
Pinoys and pinays tend to have 2 faces.
Their behaviour in this thread only confirms that you can never, ever trust them as people.
They are phony and dangerous when they truly want something.
Too bad my male clients had to learn that the hard way...
my exhusband who is 54 years old is planning to marry a filipino girl who is 20. He hooked up with her on the internet and recently went to the Philippines to meet her. He reports that they are deeply in love. I am sure its true love. Has nothing to do with his money and American citizenship. Theres no fool like an old fool. Hope she takes him for every dime he has.
@whatever:
I have seen many middle aged men in that similar situation.
They may be going through a midlife crisis, they are insecure and want something different/fresh.
These young whores know all of their vulnerabilities and know which buttons to press. They make themselves sexually available and appeal to these men's egos.
I know the game these girls play so well, all the tricks they use.
It doesn't matter how much you warn these men. They don't get it until they gey fucked over, literally and metaphorically.
BTW, the snipet I shared on the Cleveland guy organizing annual filipina hook-ups was sourced from one of several JonEmma threads. JonEmma posted profusely for almost 2 years on not one but 2-3 different boards about his filipina wife's scheming and cheating.
When I say “many good PH people”, we have to take into context this remains a small percentage of the 93M PH population. These “good and decent people” are far outnumbered by those of the whoring, trashy, deceptive kind of both genders. An international reputation whether good or bad is not built overnight. They have been methodically spreading this socio-economic cancer internationally for a very long time. Creating even greater awareness of this threat is the only way to curb this disturbing social malaise that is impacting societies worldwide. As a parent, I am exceedingly concerned with such bad influences on the next generation.
@TanfromAustralia – while yet to be verified, the Vietnam News info actually tell us one important difference between Vietnamese women and pinays who marry abroad. Vietnamese women unhappy in a marriage file for divorce by their own initiation. Filipinas have been reported over and over to continue cuckolding their wedded while shamelessly carrying on their adulterous affairs, lying their way through it. Also, American GIs were in Vietnam from 1950 – 1975. Of course there was prostitution in that time (brings to mind the movie Straight Metal Jacket). For the almost 40 years since WW2 ended, Vietnamese women do not have an American-men-chasing reputation that filipinas do. I am not speaking in bias. This is a fact for all to see, and an important difference between the 2 countries. In fact, Vietnamese immigrants in 1st world countries have done very well and earned great respect since the very sad boat-people days. Even before you came on this board, I had posted about the beginnings of the Pho restaurant in America several months back. And this story was first told to me by a very impressed American. Betty Nguyen is an award-winning TV journalist and anchor for CNN before joining CBS. One of the biggest Asian grocery stores in my town is Vietnamese-(not Chinese)owned. I often see the owner and his wife manning the cash station alongside staff, and wiping up after customers who break some bottles, never charging for the breakage. FLIPs come to Chinese malls and food courts because they have never built their own. We welcome all business so long as they behave themselves in public but this has not always been the case with FLIPs. Claims by the pinoy imposter poster that pinays don't marry Vietnamese men is also a big fat stupid lie. In my own small circle, I know of 2 such unions, which of course were short-term, quite typical of pinays as we have learned.
Again and again, diligence and honest living have earned prosperity for ethnic communities in white countries. 95% of my business clients are white. Racism is passé. I only experienced it in the UK years ago, but never in N. America. There is equal opportunity for non-whites in the West. This is why I always say “whoring to escape poverty” is nothing more than an excuse and a big fat lie, and I am a woman without a tertiary education.
As for the Chinese, there is a shortage of women in China due to infanticide of baby girls because of the one-child policy. Chinese women have little need to target foreign men for marriage as the ratio of men:women is 10:1 in China. Further, with China’s economic prosperity, there are many wealthy Chinese men in China, not to mention the sons of wealthy Chinese businessmen. Chinese women have little need to marry old and decrepit foreign men for money.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, I agree with you. I too am tired of the "racist" card being held up by certain people as a means to avoid accountability and a means to perpetuate certain cultural traits.
Coming from an impoverished Vietnamese family myself, I have absolutely no sympathy for groups of people who hold on to the belief and entitlement that they can exploit other people to dig themselves out to better life.
I have tried to avoid the Vietnam is better than China is better than the Philippines is better than Thailand argument, which is futile.
I call out the truth when I see it.
@TanfromAustralia - That's why in my first post post-vacation, I had debunked this insipid race-card played repeatedly during the hyena-attack.
Further, you mentioned why men go to the next filipina after the previous one failed. What's the most-frequently-heard phrase heard on this board? "No, not all". That's how the pimps and whores keep selling it. And ill-informed men keep buying it. If you remember the post I made on Canadian estate-murder victim Robert William Dublanko, the accused pinay-wife was his 5th!
@objectivelyspeaking:
If the first pinay whore "wife" did not work out, how stupid it is for these men to go back for seconds...?
It only takes a person with a reasonable intellect and self-awareness to work out that these women married these men purely for economic and migration reasons.
Why go back for more? Isn't getting kicked in the groin once enough?
D'uh!
@TanfromAustralia - I believe it has everything to do with the advertising of filipinas as "the perfect wife for foreign men" that keep this men persuaded. The Chinese have the same book of virtues for their women, just that we don't use it as advertisement to sell ourselves, and I say it again -- those who really got it don't need to flaunt it. If only PH would focus their efforts toward economic production like other Asian countries, the country would not be the crap-hole that it is today. If we look at PH as a whole, it is quite an enigma. While supposedly a third-world country, Manila has a skyline of skyscrapers, there is foreign business investment, natural resources that make for good tourism opportunities, its own national distinctiveness in comparison to other Asian countries, an English-language advantage...these are all advantages many real third-world countries, say in Africa, cannot boast. What is wrong with PH? I have read an article that there was more productive use of land during the Marcos regime because he ruled with a gun pointed at everyone's throat. Some educated PH nationals have surmised that when left on their own, their people seem to choose the easy road, aka ingrained laziness.
Like I said before, their country is theirs to build. This warped sense of entitlement and scheming to entrap and takeover foreigners' hard-earned assets by unashamedly selling flesh and other devious means is just plain unacceptable, and need to be brought to light.
@objectivelyspeaking:
You have got to wonder what the hell they are really doing over there in the Philippines.
There is too much reliance on pimping, prostitution and remittance of money to sustain the economy. These are short-term measures which do not benefit the economy in the long run, making it implode.
Given that their own people are obsessed with migration to the West, it is sad to think that they seem to have given up on their own country.
I am wary of filipino people because they regard everyone from the West as a potential ATM and visa sponsor.
@TanfromAustralia - Yes I am aware of their attitude as you described. And this is not just among people still in PH dying to get out. Even those already here for a few decades have displayed the same character traits. Some things never change.
@objectivelyspeaking:
You can take the filipino out of the Philippines, but you can't take the Philippines out of the filipino.
Another common mistake my male clients make is that some of them get involved with filipinas who are already Australian citizens, assuming these women are genuine because they do not need to marry for migration reasons.
That might be true, but these women still marry for economic reasons. They see nothing wrong with marrying these men, take them for all they are worth and disinheriting these men's children because these women feel a sense of entitlement because of their hard luck backgrounds.
Once a whore/scammer, always one.
@tanfromyass youre one of the whore.....admit it...
Lol! I never had to have sex with or pretended to love someone because I needed or wanted something. And I actually work for a living instead of leeching off other people.
You're just pissed off because I described the truth about the majority of your own people. Your people don't seem to understand that pimping and prostitution is not going to save your country's economy in the long-term...
Boy was I taken in -
I am 54, an American working and living in Guangzhou, China. Now just recently divorced and since I am now single, I am looking for a nice, attractive woman to re-start my life with. So I surfed over to the QQ Personals webpage and met a woman named Micha who lives east of Manila in Laguna … in the Phil (as she called it).
I fell head over heads for this person - sending flowers, love SMS notes at 3 a.m. - the works. I even sent Micha a total of $600 USD for "little things" like pedicures for her Mom and Christmas presents for the family. Using Microsoft Movie Maker on my laptop. I made two music videos with the pictures she sent to me and Fed Exed them to her. I was really in love with Micha and thought ... finally here is someone kind, gentle and loving that I could build my life around. We even talked about having a family with maybe six kids. And, yes, we did "speak" on Skype but that should have foretold me of what was coming. Every time I Skyped, I would speak but Micha said that she didn’t have a microphone and would type her replies.
This all went on for two long months. I was captivated and truly in love. SIGH.
Then, with a break for 2012 Chinese New Year coming, I bought an airline ticket, thinking of spending a week making love to and having a wonderful time with the woman of my dreams. Let me tell you, this person was hot … one smoking hot 26 year old human being. I still have all of the pictures sent to me and Micha was a knock-out. Simply perfect. Here in Guangzhou, China, I showed the pictures to my best friend, who is Philippine-American, and he was captivated at what he saw.
So … now it’s one day before I am to leave for Manila and I get a frantic SMS from Micha to talk to her on Skype, which I did. She is crying her eyes out, saying how sorry she was and didn’t mean to hurt me. I had no idea what she was talking about. Micha then asks me to get her friend from Canada (who is also named Micha) on Skype as well and we had a three-way conference call. After a lot of crying from Micha #1 in Manila, I am told by Micha #2 in Canada that Manila Micha is really a Michael in drag. My GOD. I was so pissed. Thank the Lord that she/he/it finally told me before I was to get on the China Southern flight to Manila. Can you imagine being in a romantic situation – only to find out it’s really with another man? I would have knocked his block off.
I was totally scammed. I lost the $600 as the entire Micha family clan was in on this – including Micha in Canada who I spoke with on Skype for hours and was assured that Manila Micha was really and truly a woman. Scouts Honor!
I was a fool for love. I am a poster child to tell you that everyone lies on the Internet. Be careful.
If you are thinking about a romantic relationship with a “Micha” in the Phil – take your time. Demand to speak with her and make sure it is a woman and never EVER send money. Even if this person begs and pleads – never send money under ANY circumstance. The first time this person asks for money – run the other direction.
@Ruffolopr
Sorry to hear your story. Please post on dragonladies.org to warn others. They have a place for 'Bakla' (lady boy's) there. You may even find some comfort from those that can empathize.
Best wishes to you!
What's up with all this 50, 60 years old people complaining being scammed? If you are that old like whatever’s 54 years old husband planning to marry a Phillipno whores is totally ignorant. Does he think that these whores will give him true love?
@ whatever: You said that you are sure its true love or you are just trying to be sarcastic? I believe that you are just being sarcastic because you said that you hope this whore takes him for every dime he has. I do agree on that one for he is one idiotic old fool to mess around with these whores.
Stop turning the issue back on these men. Nobody is suggesting they were smart. What does being stupid have to do with being deserved to be scammed...?
in a sense, you are right. But stop messing around with these Phillipno whores. As you stated, they are all scammer. Keep away from these leeches.
For as long as scammers see no need or reason to find a decent, respectable way to make a living, more people will get hurt every day. In my culture, we are taught to respect the elders for their wisdom and experience in life. Now they are being taken for stupid in trying to find love and starting life's next phase. It takes courage to share and consideration to warn others. So I thank you @Ruffolopr for your post. What you deserve is better, not insult to injury. Do continue to warn others so less will fall prey. This is the reason for this thread, and for those of us who stubbornly stay on, fighting battles against the supporters of scammers and whores.
54 isn't old. 50s are the new 30s. So live it well and wisely.
@Herbert:
Of course I am right. I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years. I had a lot of filipina clientele.
As I have previously said, these men truly believe that they had found someone genuine.
Of course I have never dated filipinas.
You would have to understand why an oncologist would prefer not to smoke.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I agree with your comments.
Just adding on that the majority of us have the human need to love and be loved, even 60 year old men and the like.
It is wrong to exploit someone's vulnerabilities and then squeeze them dry like you would a lemon. That is just so despicable.
I am sick and tired of those posters who try to turn the problem back on these men rather than call out these filipina whores for what they are doing.
Of course it takes two to tango, but make no mistake as to who is bullshitting who, who is scanming who, who ultimately benefits and therefore who is morally culpable.
Yes @TanfromAustralia. Absolutely.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Also wanted to comment on what you said about those posters who seem to suport the filipina whores/scammers in this thread.
From my perspective, it seems to be coming from a knee jerk reaction of feeling the attack of one's very own culture, so they defend it at all costs. As a reasonable and intelligent person, I doubt whether those posters even believe themselves.
Some of them have used the "some, not all" argument. That would seem to suggest that this is not a cultural phenomenon.
Then why would the Australian government classify filipinas as "high risk" visa applicants? It is based upon proven statistics, not cultural prejudice or racism. To suggest that would be absurd.
The Philippines is a nation whose only real contribution to the world is prostitution and emigration. Their government and their men are basically pimping their own women in order to sustain their economy.
What is there really to defend about the Philippines?
Further adding on....
...the Australian government has classified filipinas as a "high risk" group of people when it comes to migration assessment purposes because out of all the various types of visa applications submitted to our government from the Philippines, the vast majority of applications are spouse visa applications.
There are a very low number of work, business or skilled visa applications coming from the Philippines compared to an overwhelming majority of spouse visa applications.
How can anyone think that is merely a fucking coincidence?
The filipinas are doing what they know best: prostituting themselves. Most of them don't really have the skills to apply for a work visa, so they have resorted to fucking their way into this country.
@TanfromAustralia - I think the PH supporters and defenders KNOW how real the problem is, it is just their kind to perpetuate a lie. There was a comment by motherlode thanking someone for sharing his "experience" (like it was a good one) with a filipina he was about to meet. What experience? He hadn't even met her yet or started anything. The rest was yet to come. 3 years of correspondence could mean juggling several online potentials on the filipina's side. I am not saying that's what's happening in that particular case, but it has been said by many familiar with this foreign hookup culture that it is common for filipinas to juggle several online concurrently, and that there is no such thing as 30+ and never married with no kids. These pinays have to lie so much because of their out-of-this-world sordid past and all kinds of skeletons in their closets. So it is clear PH supporters are perpetuating a lie with full knowledge of the truth themselves. Just study the hyena-attack on you and it is all there.
As for the foreigners (Americans) who support this export of PH women to the US, we have established that some (could be many) are actively involved in facilitating such hookups, whether for a profit, or been duped by their own filipina with sob stories and pity parties galore, to "save more of these poor girls" entrapped in poverty and abuse bla bla bla (they always have a sad ad convincing story). These foreigners need to open their eyes to who the real racists are here! I have highlighted it in my long post after returning from vacation. Each time they make a bleeping mistake bringing a bad egg here, people like me and other women not even remotely involved in this pinay whore shit have become victims too. I feel violated by horny men looking for pinay whores approaching me in public places, not to mention what they had been imagining about me before approaching me. Still gives me the creeps every time I think about it.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Of course the PH supporters KNOW the extent of the true problem. Either they find the truth too confronting to accept or they themselves take part in this cultural phenomenon.
During my work experience as an immigration lawyers, the stories I directly witnessed would churn your stomach. A lot of these girls had very complicated and sordid pasts that the men would not find out until much later (after they got their visas). These girls had children, husbands and boyfriends that these men did not know about.
Apart from being adept at whoring themselves, these girls were truly brilliant actresses. And who says that they have no other talent apart from prostitution...?
I once came across a case where a filipina whore was going through divorce proceedings in Australia with an Australian man. She wanted all of his assets, so she blackmailed him by threatening to get her young daughter to falsely claim that he had been sexually abusing the daughter if the man did not give her everything she wanted in the divorce.
Doesn't that sort of behaviour churn your stomach? It is so foul and filthy that the behaviour can be truly classified as psychopathic in the real sense.
@TanfromAustralia - Yes it is beyond nauseating. What was the outcome of that case? As more and more stories come out into the open, the horrific truth about these pinays become increasingly sickening. Men got caught by utter surprise because this type thing is frankly quite unheard of in most civilized societies. And I honestly do not want to import this type of darkness into societies built on good morals and values, true family love and respect. Does anyone?
What do you think about documenting the details of your cases (without publishing real names of the male victims course) and making an official paper of it? Something needs to be done. Of course you need to figure out a way to protect your own safety and those in your life.
The culprits have been getting away with it for so long because each time a man posts his unfortunate story on a board, pinays will step in to post their "no not all" or "I am a filipina and I have been happily married to my (foreign) husband for these many years, we have (this many) children and we love each other very much...bla bla bla and bla bla bla". And so they dilute the severity of the situation while the next victim gets scammed. The men mostly posted their horror story once, and move on. Pinays and their abettors are watching these boards like hawks, believe me.
The many horror stories are all over the place, and not everyone has the time or googling skills to find them all. So I was blasted for pasting posts from other boards here. You can see how I am so unwelcomed on this board by certain people before you landed here, because I had kept posting and refused to go away. Even though I am posting in agreement with the original article, I was called "the real troll". That was one obvious desperate and pathetic comment by someone supposedly so educated. That's "pinay" for us.
@objectivelyspeaking:
In the case that I told you about, the man in question was so afraid of the false allegations and what may flow forward (including being convicted and registered as a sex offender) that he gave the filipina whore his house. He figured that he would have lost a lot more otherwise, including his job and his reputation. At that stage, he just wanted her to go away. He figured it was a small price to pay by putting everything in context. Mud once flung, is very hard to remove.
When I have some time, I would consider making contributions to the stickmanbangkok website to share some stories from my experience as an immigration lawyer, which would be a unique perspective.
@objectivelyspeaking:
And do you know why the PH supporters in this thread are so obsessed with finding out my identity and where I work?
It is because they want to get me fired by showing my posts in this thread to my employer. There have been cases of certain employees getting fired because of certain contents they posted on the internet.
Why do they have to know where I work now, especially when I practise family law now and no longer practise immigration law? Have they been able to prove that anything I said about Australia's immigration laws is wrong? Of course not.
These PH supporters tried to bait me by questioning my claim to be a lawyer in order to trap me to reveal my real identity and where I work.
I saw that trap coming from a mile away. I didn't come down in the last shower. I am 2 steps ahead of them.
There is nothing more that the Australian government can do that they have not already done, apart from assessing spouse visa applications from the Philippines with much greater scrutiny.
Obviously, my government cannot base their policies on racism, yet they have to safeguard the integrity of their own visa application process.
From my experience, spouse visa applications from the Philippines are made mostly by filipinas (rather than filipinos). In such situations, the sponsor (the Australian man) has genuine intentions whilst the visa applicant does not in that she tricks him into the marriage because she marries for primarily economic and migration reasons.
If only one person is genuine and the other person is not, then the whole visa application is not genuine and lacks integrity.
There is also a stupid loophole in Australian law whereby these women automatically get conferred permanent residency if they have suffered from "domestic violence" from their partner. They get the permanent residency visa in these circumstances even if they are still here on a temporary visa.
Filipinas have been very eager to take advantage of this loophole by filing false charges of violence against their husbands. In these situations, these men have been forcibly removed from their homes as well as having to defend and possibly convicted on this (usually) false charge...
...all because these whores wanted to get permanent residency sooner than they were entitled. They have no sense of respect for the law, anyone else, or a sense of decency.
@TanfromAustralia - Best to post only on neutral boards hosted on servers outside PH. This can be verified online quite easily. Always take extreme caution. In any case, communication in virtual space should stay in virtual space. Never divulge more than necessary.
One of their arguments have been the percentage of people marrying foreign spouses. That is not the issue at hand. For example - when one argues that Japan has the highest number of interracial marriages. Was it Japanese women clamouring to marry foreign men, or was it Japanese male expats marrying women in countries where they were posted for work assignments. Japan has a long history of foreign business investments throughout Asia. Did these marriages end up in the horror stories like those reported by men about filipina wives in the US, UK, Australia, Europe, Middle-East, etc. It is important to examine the facts in detail. The hyenas had to be so aggressive because they knew the detailed facts once dissected will expose the truth about themselves. So they tried to be loud enough to drown us out.
After my last post that I feel violated, I am wondering if any of them will dare accuse me again of being "subjective". Well then, let me say it again - I am objective in the context of American and foreign men marrying fiipinas per the title of this board.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Your argument about "the issue at hand" is supported by the statistics from at least the Australian government, which shows that the majority of applications are spouse visa applications from filipinas. If that is not indicative of a cultural phenomenon, what is?
Indeed, the "issue at hand" here is people who marry for economic and migration reasons.
The PH argument that other nationalities also marry foreigners lacks any real context.
For example, I married an Australian woman in Australia. I already had Australian citizenship when I married her as well as a high paying job. I did not marry her for economic or migration reasons.
There is almost always an ulterior motive when filipinas get involved with foreign men.
Let's call a spade a spade...and not a shovel.
To all like-minded readers...this thread is not a dialogue between @TanfromAustralia and I. Please feel free to interject and add your own two cents' worth. The new information provided by @Halwick about other similar boards has helped us uncover and understand even more.
@TanfromAustralia - the so-called arguments and stats on interracial marriages provided by the imposter poster amounted to nothing more than attempts to pull wool over one's eyes. After all, isn't this what wolves and sheep's clothing do best? But that did not escape sharp-minded people like @Halwick who quickly pointed out the intentional omission of PH's ranking from those stats. Do these people really think the rest of the world is that stupid and waiting to be scammed?
@objectivelyspeaking:
That's right. Those so-called "statistics" were relied upon with absolutely no context whatsoever. I knew those figures were fudged when any reference to the Philippines was omitted.
But this thread is not about interracial marriage per se, which is not really the issue.
The issue at hand is people who marry for economic and migration reasons.
Darn straight, @TanfromAustralia. Yet another attempt to detract from the subject matter. Cunning.
Have you checked out happierabroad.com as recommended by @Halwick? I am just reading the thread "Republic of the Philippines Not as it Seems" by ph_visitor. He was so pissed off as a first-time tourist to PH. While the thread is not primarily about filipina marrying, it does provide some very amusing insights into that scene from posts by expats living there. All the more it confirms the imminent implosion of the PH economy, and how so many bad egg pinays are being brought into foreign countries through these filipina marrying and dating sites. Worth a read when you have time.
BTW, has there been a recent kidnapping in Mindanao of an Australian married to a filipina? Any latest news on his status?
@objectivelyspeaking:
I have not yet visited that website to which you refer nor have I heard about the kidnapping.
I think it is sad for a person to marry for purely economic and reasons because they miss out on the positive aspects of marriage.
I read somewhere that most pinays plan for long-term prospects with their own pinoys.
However, pinays tend to use foreign as a stepping stone, as a bridge to arrive at a more specific goal.
For example, a lot of pinays already have long-term partners of their own kind. However, they attach themselves to foreign men as a means to emigrate and once established in their new country, they will then sponsor their original pinoy partner.
I do hear of some stories of filipinas marrying Western men which do work out. In these cases, the foreign husband is very well financially equipped and is content to be an unlimited ATM for his wife to exploit.
Filipinas are way too narcisstic to be able to contribute equally in a marriage. They feel too much of a sense of entitlement.
This type of "marriage" is descriptive of a host/parasite relationship.
They don't understand that a healthy marriage is based on partnership and mutual support, not about exploitation.
You have to be wise with these things when marrying Filipina women. You may make a wise choice or a foolish decision.
But I have enclose this bible verse as a guide for you to follow in finding a good wife. This is the Proverbs 31 KJV
1The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
2What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
3Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
4It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
8Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.
9Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.
10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
@TanfromAustralia – Here’s a snipet of the news regarding the abducted Australian, the dates are in 2011 so it is very recent: “Rodwell, who hails from Strathfield in New South Wales, has been in the Philippines since May 10. On June 1, he married Miraflor Gutang, 27, of Ipil. The couple moved into their Green Meadows house in October. But the couple had not been living together since November 25 when they had a fight, Cariaga said. Rodwell was the sixth foreign national abducted in Mindanao this year.” Hmm...one has to wonder if this has been a setup from the start.
The thread started by ph_visitor generated hundreds of comments from regular contributors who are long-time foreign expats/regular visitors in PH. These are people with intimate knowledge of PH people and culture, and what they say basically attest to the myth that is being sold to foreign men about “beautiful” filipinas.
Our arguments are not against interracial marriages. It is not a problem when younger women marry older men for economic stability, then REMAIN LOYAL IN THAT MARRIAGE, BE FAIR TO THE MAN AND HIS CHILDREN FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE. People have equal rights to make their choices in life, to each his/her own. The issue is the pre-meditated schemes by bad egg filipinas to use and discard the unsuspecting man after subjecting him to unimaginable verbal and emotional abuse, resort to unscrupulous means to “rob” him of assets he has spent a lifetime to build, disinherit his children of a previous marriage to gain sole ownership of those assets. Add to that the biological child(ren) born with the man to facilitate this scheme sometimes being left as a bi-product and potential threat or burden to society. Not only that...the bad egg Filipina then goes on to wreck more families seducing other women’s husbands. I cannot find the words to describe this type of attitude and behaviour and the harm it is doing to foreign societies. I want to know what goes on in the minds of those defending and abetting this type of societal destruction. My extended family here pay taxes, generate business for others, do our part for community, volunteer our time for charity, contribute to the local food bank. Then we see these sluts lie, scam and sell their way in here to spread their rotten culture. "No, not all”? The one "you know who" wants to bring here is “a fine” filipina, not from the basket of bad eggs only stupid old fools get scammed by. Unless one is clairvoyant with a crystal ball to see the future of his own destiny, try convincing the rest of us into this delusion. He has no right to drag the rest of us into the risks he wants to take for himself. We have rights too to protect the society we call home, in which we take great pains and make big sacrifices to raise our future generation to continue to build.
This is also an addition to the comments that I made regarding women. These words if women know Christ Jesus they will submit to the Word. Only a few of them are born again. They may read the bible but lack the faith that only Jesus Christ can give as grace once the are reborn in water and spirit.
Colossians 3 KJV
18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
Genesis 2 KJV
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Correction - "by-product".
I posted few months back on the dilemma i was facing in Manila. As advise by well wishers like @objectivelyspeaking here; i completely stopped responding/texting to tht girl. When she found herself unanswered for some days, she stopped her antics. No text for last 2.5 months.
Though i still had an eye on what she was doing all this while thru a local contact. And now the cat is out of bag. All the allegations of making her preg etc. were simple lies. There was no such thing. and also tht she is very much married with her husband...
Dont know what to think or say; but I just want to ask the sypathizers on what image should i form about these categories of women..Once bitten, twice shy to even talk with them now.
Thank you @desperatelyneedadvice for the update. I am sure I am not the only one here who appreciates your kind gesture. This shows the strength of connection among us foreigners on this board, to watch out for one another against those evil forces who seek only to harm and destroy the good-natured and unsuspecting. You have saved yourself a ton of grief beyond belief and we are glad for it.
As for what image you should form of filipinas and PH, I shall reserve my comments as I have already said a lot, and throw the floor open to others who wish to voice their two cents` worth.
@objectivelyspeaking and desperatelyneedadvice:
The 2 face trait amongst filipinas is what I was referring to. These girls are expert con artists whom have learnt how to juggle a lot of competing things at once.
If you walked away with your wallet intact, just write it off as a transieny bad experience.
I tell my male clients it is similar to eating a bad oyster and then having diarrhea.
from my own experience, I have met a lot of philipinas during my stay in UAE some of them i worked with, others i dated. talking from my own experience i'm pretty much disappointed on how low these girls can get when it comes to money. I've see them even screw their own philipino friends for the sake of money. out of probably 10 philipinas I know, I only respected 1 I went out with so 1 good out of 10 is a very low ratio. one thing i noticed is that sex for them is easy and they mistake lust for love. one girl i dated we agreed not to have sex till after two month, just to give ourselves time to become serious, and we ended up having it in 2 weeks. on an average, it took me less than a week to get a philipina to have sex with me, some of them in two days of knowing them. I really lost respect for them, before my 1st experience 3 years ago I use to hear this from my friends and i tell them not to generalize, till i found out that they were actually true. philipinas are easy and after your money, to the extreme that i slept with one girl cause i got her a pair of jeans, and they werent even the expensive type. the most time i was with a philipina was for 9 months, i knew she was a gold digger from the 1st month but given that sex was amazing with her, it was kindda worth it so i kept dragging with this relation for 9 years. during that i got to know all of her friends and to be honest i wasnt surprised, all of them were dating men as old as their grandpas and bragging about the stuff that they would get them which to be honest was a bit disturbing. LV bags, IPads, Blackberrys, and all living in high class buildings and sucking on their sugar daddy's blood. I could say that the majority of them here in UAE are gold diggers. definitely other nationalities do it, but they don't do it as bluntly and as low as philipinas do it. I could go on and on with my experience, now to me every single one of them is after my money, i lost interest in them after that. And by the way, the reason I left that bitch after 9 months is that I caught her chatting with her american boyfriend seconds after we were having sex which for me is fucked up beyond any recognition.
Oh good God... The racist tandem are back with a vengeance... and now with minions too!
Your stupidity seems to know no bounds.
What if I said that terrorists may be Buddhists, Christians or Hindus...but were most likely to be Muslims? Is that statement "racist"?
How many Buddhist terrorists have you heard about?
It seems that almost every foreign man who has been involved with a filipina has got a negative experience to recount.
Nobody is suggesting that you have to defend yourself, but don't defend the truth.
@tanfromaustralia (and others) -
I am a Filipina. I am PROUD to be one.
I do not deny the existence of prostitution in my country. This doesn't mean the only trade the Filipinos are good at is prostitution! It is a REAL PROBLEM in the Philippines as it is everywhere else in the world.
I do not deny the existence of cunning, gold-digging Filipinas. There are many who are drawn into this evil because of poverty or desperation and more often, because they simply have bad character. But this doesn't mean that ALL FILIPINAS are gold-diggers or have bad character.
These bad women are not only confined in the Philippines. There are bad women everywhere, Filipina, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, American, Russian, Puerto Rican, etc.
I stand against your claims because it is unfair of you to continuously attack, slander, shame, insult and degrade a whole nation of Filipinos just because you have read the bad experiences of other people.
You focus on the BAD experiences. You never search or even listen to the GOOD experiences because you claim there are none.
And when some of the men here say they are happy with a Filipina - you never say "good for you!" or "congratulations for you found a good Pinay." You always say -- "just wait and see..." implying that every foreign man who married a Filipina, married a BAD FILIPINA.
This is proof of how RACIST and BIGOTED you are.
You preach and propagate racism through your words. That is very dangerous. It's almost like you want every man in this world to see and treat Filipinas as though they are only after their money or a green card. You should know better!
You should teach these men to know how to identify the BAD kinds! What are the signs they should watch out for? You will always KNOW the good from the bad. Unless you think ALL MEN ARE IDIOTS and cannot tell if the woman they are with are good or bad, then of course I'd say go ahead and preach the cruelty and prejudice against Filipinas.
You believe that YOUR truth is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. And we all know there is no such thing as ABSOLUTE when you talk about culture, society and individual personalities of people.
I would be scared to take advice from someone like you. YOU ARE A VERY CRUEL MAN. And for your sake I hope you never meet someone who is as cruel and racist as you in Australia or anywhere else in this world.
You are Vietnamese. You are Asian. Just because you decided to live in Australia and marry an Australian woman doesn't mean you are a WESTERNER.
For all I know, you slander my people to save your own face! You are a Vietnamese man who married an Australian woman. If I take your absolute truth, I should think that you married your wife so you can stay in Australia and get citizenship through marriage. But I am not like you so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
I don't blame you if you believe that ALL FILIPINAS SHOULD BE TREATED AND APPROACHED AS TWO-FACED, GOLD-DIGGING WHORES.
You wouldn't be able to tell a good woman from a bad woman.
You would not be able to tell a good, honest Filipina from a bad one.
Why?
Because racists cannot see beyond the RACE. They do not see people as individuals, rather, as members of a RACE, therefore, the uniqueness of a person is completely disregarded.
And that is pitiful.
Either you are stupid or ignorant.
It comes down to the "all", "most" or "some" argument.
Nobody is suggesting the "all" position. I am advocating the "most" position whilst you are arguing the "some" position.
"Some" would seem to suggest a small number.
Why would the Australian government classify filipinas as a "high risk" group if only a small number of them marry for economic and migration reasons?
The overwhelming majority of internet resources pertaining to filipinas from the Western men's perspective is overwhelmingly negative.
There is more than one voice.
I am neither stupid nor ignorant.
And yes. There is more than one voice.
That is mine and the others here who do not support your racist and bigoted thinking.
You are stupid to think I am racist. I am not. Stating the truth is not racist. The whole world sees your own people in the same way. You are fooling yourself but nobody else, foolish one.
All I have to do is ask Western men of their experience of filipinas is. It is their voice, not mine. You seem too ignorant to be able to accept that.
Remember what I said about few Buddhists being terrorists...?
I know you will continue to portray a self-serving negative stereotype of the Filipino people...
Because YOU ARE A RACIST. Look up the definition of the word because I think you are one confused son of a bitch.
And don't you dare accuse me of "slandering" your people based in the things I "read".
I worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 years and dealt with your kind of people. I observed your kind bullshit your way into Australia by scamming Australian men and I observed your kind suck them dry and then dumping them.
It seems that you are too stupid to even understand the definition of "slander". It is only so if it ain't true.
My government obviously thinks it to be true by classifying your kind as "high risk" for migration purposes based upon an overwhelmingly high number of spouse visa applications from your country.
What is it that is slanderous?
And I think you are an ignorant bitch because you have your head too far up your arse to be able to admit how the majority of the world view your own people.
All you have to do is google the words "filipinas", "culture" and "migration".
Remember that it is not one person who put up all that information on the internet about your kind...
Consider these statements:
1. Is it racist to state that Filipinas who come from impoverished families are most likely to become gold-digging whores?
2. Is it racist to state that Filipinas most likely marry foreigners for economic and migration reasons?
The statements above are all factual. Their truth,however, is not in question. Yet they can (and in this comment thread they ARE) USED to promote your racist ideologies and agenda.
Without the relevant context, these statements do, in actuality, promote racism regardless of the speaker's good intentions, because without the proper context, they reinforce harmful group stereotypes.
So yes. You are promoting racism. Whether you admit to it or not.
That's bullshit and you know it. Facts in themselves are not racist. Facts are what they are. You can twist it into a racist context, but all I am doing is recounting the things I directly observed during my work as an immigration lawyer.
You have to ask yourself WHY the majority of the world views your kind this way...is it based on a myth or a misconception?
And since you continuously bring up being a LAWYER, I feel the need to let you know that your 6-year experience as an immigration lawyer for ONE country definitely does not make you an EXPERT in Philippine culture. Heck you are not even Filipino! Yet you blabber on about Filipino culture as if YOUR opinions are absolute truth.
There is rarely a single truth. Any intelligent person would know this. Our "truth" is strongly influenced by one's perspective or point of view. That is why I do not completely agree to your truth as you do not agree to mine. Your truth is influenced by your perspective and personal prejudices. As mine is too.
So no. I am not a stupid bitch. I am just a very RATIONAL one.
You discount my knowledge of the law as well as my direct interaction with your people...
...yet you also make blatant assumptions about some other posters in this thread you know little about as well as dismissing the true stories of men whom have posted in this thread.
Could it be that you are deliberately blocking out all other voices as being "subjective" in order to give credence to your own subjectivity and strive to peddle your views as being objective?
The poster objectivelyspeaking and I are the only ones whom are truly "objective", it seems, even though you are unwilling to admit that we both are. She and I are both of Asian descent, too, remember? She and I have never been personally and directly affected.
Case in point, a man claiming to be a lawyer is here on a daily basis talking shit about Filipinas and "their kind"
Your extreme racial prejudice towards Filipinas is based on your SIX YEARS OF EXPERIENCE working for the Australian Embassy?
YOU ARE SO FULL OF YOURSELF TAN!
There are bad Filipinas, Yes! GET OVER IT! Do not SLANDER my entire nation for it!
A so-called "rational" person does not blindly defend the truth merely because they identify as being a part of a group.
How would you feel if a German person were to defend what Hitler did to the Jews?
Or what about a Muslim person who supported and defended terrorism?
I know. It sounds undefendable.
I am not "claiming" to be a lawyer.
I AM a lawyer.
And no, I never worked for the Australian Embassy.
I assisted clients submit visa applications to the Australian Embassy.
You obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
You sound so foolish, foolish one.
You can argue with me, but you can't deny and argue with what is available out there in the internet.
I never denied anything.
YOU WERE NEVER OBJECTIVE.
if you were objective you would not claim absolute truths. the moment you claim absolute truths - you become prejudice and bigoted.
objective people do not take sides.
I never took sides. I accept the facts stated here that there are BAD FILIPINAS. there is no point denying it!
My only issue is this:
YOU AND A FEW OTHERS HERE ARE RACISTS and BIGOTS.
There is no denying that fact.
And it is VERY OBVIOUS.
I am against racism or any form stereotyping.
Everything you say here is a "claim" because there is no way for me to ascertain your being a REAL LAWYER.
I can say I am a Lawyer too. Or a Doctor. Or a Historian.
But I don't "announce" what I do for a living so that I will sound more credible.
There is no need for such embellishments in a thread like this.
You, however, take pride and pleasure in bringing up your profession as a Lawyer.
I learned when I was in college that lawyering is the "noblest of all professions"
What you write here, however, is anything but noble.
I am not "claiming absolute truths".
I am just telling you what my own government thinks about your people.
But you probably think that my government is "racist" too.
I am so fucking tired of the word "racist" being thrown around so freely these days as a defence mechanism to deflect the truth.
But hey, that is what your people do best.
HOW I KNOW YOU ARE A RACIST
and i quote you, "But hey, that is what your people do best."
I don't have to prove anything about myself to you, certainly I don't have to prove my profession. You're just an anonymous fool on the internet that I am devoting too much time to converse with because you are delusional.
I know why some posters have been trying hard to ascertain my real identity and where I work. It is obvious.
The only reason why I revealed that I used to be an immigration lawyer is to contradict the suggestion that I "have been wronged by a filipina" which is why I am "bitter".
That is just merely laughable because it is so far from the truth.
Tan - you and the others here should start your own racist website and write hate blogs about Filipinas. you can also have a forum where all the male victims can whine and curse every Filipina woman who has wronged them.
Consider it a support group. you can charge all the men too for membership and the very objective advice you give them.
If you are going to be a racist, might as well be a CAPITALIST RACIST.
if you have nothing to prove, then why do you always have to bring up being a lawyer?
sheesh. surely you must think the people who read your comments are complete idiots as not to understand what is going on here!
your intentions are as clear as a sunny day in my beautiful Philippines.
Why would I have to start such a website when countless websites of those kind already exist on the internet?
How is it "racist" per se when men write personal stories about how they were wronged? If these men were "racist" to begin with, why would they ever get involved with filipinas?
You use the word "racist" so frequently and so out of context that you appear very foolish.
I bring up my profession to illustrate that I can base my comments upon a solid foundation of knowledge of the law and direct experience dealing with filipinas....
...as well as to deny the accusation that I am "bitter" because I have been wronged by a filipina.
TanfromAustralia 2 minutes ago
I bring up my profession to illustrate that I can base my comments upon a solid foundation of knowledge of the law and direct experience dealing with filipinas....
THEREFORE YOU BASE YOUR COMMENTS ON YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCES WITH FILIPINAS -- MAKING IT SUBJECTIVE NOT OBJECTIVE.
uh-oh... somebody just got busted.
No, my experience is OBJECTIVE...because it was merely a job for me at that time. I was on the outside looking in.
I did not have any personal stake with any filipinas, which is why my experience was not "subjective".
You know what Tan, I am tired of going back and forth with you.
You do what you do. And I do what I do.
Just continue promoting hatred and continue the unfair and racist stereotyping of my people especially the women if you believe that you are doing this for a noble cause.
I will continue saying that not all filipinas are bad. And that men should be smarter and more vigilant in identifying the "red flags" of a bad Filipina who will take advantage of them.
I am a Filipina. I am not a bad person. That is why I abhor the racial prejudice.
I feel sorry for those who were victimized by bad filipinas. I wish they had better experiences. But I cannot change what has already happened to them.
But, I will be more than happy to give my advice to those who are willing to listen. And even point out the warning signs that they may have missed because of clouded judgement caused by a surge of serotonin and other feel-good love chemicals produced by the brain.
im sorry tan, however way you put it. however cleverly written --
what you are is anything BUT OBJECTIVE.
I call for accountability! OWN IT!
and you know what? I do agree with you on certain things. I agree that it is wrong to marry a man if the main reason is economic gain or migration purposes. I especially am against women who marry not for love but for money.
But you know what irks me Tan? The way you write. You have a very cruel and vicious way with words.
Ever heard of the adage "It's not what you say, it's how you say it?"
Pointing out a fact is one thing. But pointing it out with cruelty, prejudice and utter lack of RESPECT for an entire nation is an entirely different thing. I call it being a BIGOT AND A RACIST.
Just sayin.
The Philippines is a third world country with a corrupt government. - Fact
Prostitution is a big problem in the Philippines. - Fact
There are a lot of scammers in the Philippines who target foreign nationals. - Fact
But let me ask you this --
What are you doing to help stop these problems?
Will your angry rants in this thread help a third world country with problems such as corruption, prostitution and scamming?
Will your cruel prejudice and stereotyping help my country and my people?
You are like the devil.
you spread hatred and anger like wild fire.
TanfromAustralia 61 minutes ago
"You're just an anonymous fool on the internet that I am devoting too much time to converse with because you are delusional."
So you devote too much of your time conversing with me because I am delusional? I am flattered.
I could easily say the same to you. with an exception.
You are just an anonymous bigoted racist on the internet that I will NOT waste my time conversing with because you are delusional. and a BIGOT. and a RACIST.
What am I doing to stop this problem? I am speaking out about it on the internet as well as trying to stop my best friend from going through with his phony marriage. I am also legally protecting all of his assets from a gold digging whore. That's what a best friend must do.
I don't see myself as "cruel" as you put it. I just state the truth as it is.
People who marry not for love but for economic/migration are prostitutes. Does that sound "cruel"? What other word could I use for somebody who is selling themselves for a material benefit?
But beyond this, I think it would be a sad and hollow experience for a person to marry another without love. Nobody deserves to be confined to such an emotional prison of a marriage. Human dignity is something we are ALL entitled to, regardless of our economic circumstances.
I understand why the Philippines is in the state it is in, which is not helped by the ingrained cultural traits and values that your people carry like a chip on your shoulder.
If countries like Russia, Vietnam and China can transform themselves economically, there is no reason why the Philippines cannot do the same.
I think the real problem is that it is ingrained within your people to bail out when the going gets tough and to look for instant, lazy, quick fix solutions out of poverty. And I don't like the fact that your people view their poverty as an entitlement to exploit other people. Don't make your problem into other people's problem.
I don't like it that a lot of your women constantly misrepresent themselves to gullible/vulnerable (and yes, dumb) men who are merely looking for genuine love.
The question is not: what am I doing?
The question should be: what should the filipino people do to fix up their own country?
I think filipino men need to step up and act like men. They should nurture, sustain and protect their own women instead of pimping them.
It is obvious that filipinas feel that their own men has failed them, which is why they opt to marry foreign men.
I am not saying these things to be cruel. I am saying them because they are true. There is no sugar coating the truth.
Simplemente no se puede confiar en esas simias. Lo ideal es mantenerse alejado de ellas o de plano, como dijo alguien por aquí: “encuéntralas, aliméntalas, cojetelas y olvídalas”, así de fácil.
@LiluVral wrote:
"The Philippines is a third world country with a corrupt government. - Fact
Prostitution is a big problem in the Philippines. - Fact
There are a lot of scammers in the Philippines who target foreign nationals. - Fact"
All these behavior contribute to the poor reputation of Filipinos and the Philippine country as a whole.....which is unfortunate.
There is a corporate reputation management firm, Reputation Institute (www.reputationinstitute.com), that publishes an annual study based on 42,000 respondants measuring the public perceptions of countries around the world. The study measures the overall Trust, Esteem, Admiration and Good Feelings the public holds towards these countries, as well as their perceptions across 16 different attributes, including a good quality of life, a safe place to live and a strong attention to their environment.
Guess what? In their 2011 RepTrak Global Ranking, the Phillipines didn't make the top 50 countries list. (In case you're wondering, Canada was ranked #1, Australia #3, Iraq #50)
What most Filipinos don't seem to realize is that the behavior of each Filipino (as evidenced by the many anectdotal accounts of scamming, deceit, immoral and unethical behavior) is a reflection on all Filipinos and the Philippine culture.
And this results in the perception by foreigners ranking Philippine as having a very poor reputation, as demonstrated in the survey I cited above.
Now I don't see you vigorously condemn or criticizing other Filipinos who act in immoral or unethical manners. Instead, you and your compadres take the arrogant and defensive attitude of "end result justifies the means" and condemns anyone as a "racist and bigot" who points out such immoral and unethical behavior on the part of Filipinos.
So, what are YOU and your fellow countrymen doing to fix the problems and improve the poor reputation of the Filipino people and the country?
@mexican,
Glad to see you back from your wedding in the Philippines.
But your spanish posting seems to be saying something about "...you simply cannot trust those people. Best to stay away from them..."
What happened?
@Halwick:
Finally, a survey we can rely on! No doubt some will accuse this survey as being "slanderous" and "racist". Those are terms to be used as a defence of last resort after logic and reason has been exhausted.
People from the Philippines themselves cultivate an image viewed by foreigners.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it is a duck, not a rabbit.
@LiluVrai,
Leave Tanfromaus to this hub. I have read many posts on dragonladies and stickman. From those i know Tanfromaus's opinions would definitely NOT be welcomed there!
You are correct, he is of course racist and does not deserve any more of your time. Consider joining DL where your help, advice and knowledge of Filipino culture, it's pro's and cons, will be appreciated.
Best wishes to you. I feel, from what i've read in your posts, you are a good and intelligent lady who see's your country's problems realistically. Any level headed persons reading this hub will see the same.
Oh, and Halwick, what they are doing to "fix" the problem is by facilitating a mass exodus out of their own country.
They are jumping ship, so to speak. It's like all the rats which run off a sinking ship in droves.
They are too lazy, selfish and too incompetent to fix up their own country in the right way.
How the fuck does seeing "your country's problems realistically" equate with a denial of the extent of the problem and a deflecting of the real issues by claiming "stereotyping" and accusations of "racism"?
And if I went to those other websites, do you think I will be telling those people things they do not already know?
I agree with Neiltavo, 99% of the pinays in dubai are gold digging whores, I was in a relationship with maybe 7 pinays and all of them turned out to be a gold digger, and ya they fuck you for a kfc meal, that's soo true. I wonder why guys go pick up hookers in bars when they can have these girls at a cheaper price.... The price of a kfc meal lol
@dubailover
I couldn't more agree than what you are saying.
To those of you who meet a begging filthypina who is begging for your money with drama like their grandpa dead, sister got dengue fever, and bla...bla...bla... If you do want to give them,make sure it's not more than 20$. Consider that 20$ like you are buying 2 cans of Natural Balance.
Straight from the horse's mouth.
Is this "racist" too?
Don't even try...
Nope we're just talking from our own experience, nothing racist in here, and according to my statistics, 9 out of 10 philipinas in dubai are gold diggers :-) which is not a small number
I am happy to have stumbled upon this blog while searching on a similar subject. Yes there is something very wrong with the filipinas. I had been warned that sending my husband on a posting to the Philippines is way worse than sending him to some African country as African women are respectable. A filipina is cunning, scheming, shallow, materialistic and wants the short cut to everything especially wealth and power. They deliberately try to belittle the wife and try to woo or seduce the husband. I was observing this on my visits to my husband (I have children's schooling and my job back home hence cannot be here with him for the entire contract period of 2 years). Luckily my husband is no fool and does not allow any nonsense. The behavior of these women is seriously ugly to say the least and shameful/disgraceful to say the most. I come from a country where women even in extremely difficult conditions do not disgrace themselves in this manner. they are forced into prostitution sadly which they fight and try to get out of through institutional help and reform themselves admirably once they are out of it. But the point is I cannot imagine women voluntarily and very purposefully and rather aggressively pushing themselves over men (age/marital status/ not withstanding) have they no shame? In Asia (I am an Asian having lived worked and educated for a greater part in Asia married a man from my country and have education and self-respect. The filipinas had the cheek to call me boring and lacking in flavor and go on to say that wives (esp asian ones are not fun loving like filipinas and guys have a right to fool around). I put up with this kind off talk for a while and then put my foot down and sacked the maid. The arrogance and vanity of these petty women is beyond belief. In my country women have worked and continue to work very hard to acheive equal status through policy, education and also judiciual reform to better their socio-economic status and all these girls do is wear slutty clothes, dangle themselves in front of men and then say they are better than honest hardworking women who do not pimp themselves in this fashion. they are also territorial and help themselves to everything that is your including your husbands. Luckily only a year more to go but there is no way I am going to let my husband fall prey to such cheap stealthy tricks of these girls. I have also directed him to this blog, he has complained several times of the unwanted attention that the girls throw and flirt openly. But to no avail as of now he just ignores them and has made it clear that he is not interested. But yes it is tough for expats here. Thanks for writing all and warning everyone. God Bless
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@Master Hughes
I don't think this is the place to promote a product. Either give an advise or keep your DVD to yourself.
@Niki:
I also notice those traits in filipinas.
For a group of people whose only talent is prostituting themselves, they nevertheless have a very high opinion of themselves as people, to the point where it is narcissistic.
It is starting to look like the statement “Prostitution is a big problem in the Philippines” is another whitewash. And motherlode wants to offer help and advice to men about filipinas? Thank You!! Prostitution isn’t just a big problem in PH. It is big problem anywhere there are filipinas, as we now hear from expats in the Mid-East, in addition to postings from Gulf nationals further up this board. On the JonEmma thread, someone posted this: “You didn't mention your wife?s name. I also work in Pasir Gudang (Johore, Malaysia) and I recon that I've screwed most the available Filipinas around here. Can you ask her if she ever met Steve?”
I read on a happierabroard thread that middle-aged and older white men in Manila hang around shopping malls oogling at filipinas. So this is why there are creepy older men oogling at Asian women at Chinese malls in my town now? Further proof that wherever pinays go, sleaze follows.
@TanfromAustralia – that Stickman board has certain rules, one of them being political-correctness. This is why the poster of “Told You So” was referring to his filipina as an SEA woman. This is how other Asian women become unwitting victims of political-correctness. Under the cloak of impartiality, political-correctness is in truth bias against the innocent in effect. Stickman even said he will not publish some posts by Winston, the author/owner of Happierabroad, who sometimes posts on Stickman. Winston has lived in PH for years, is one who calls a spade a spade and says it like it is. Happierabroad may be a better venue to share your filipina immigration cases. Just my suggestion, your decision.
God Bless you and your husband @Niki, and thank you for sharing your story. Not all married couples are so fortunate. There was a case in 2011 where an American expat was posted to work in the UAE. His wife and young children stayed behind for the same reasons you could not join your husband for the full stint of his contract. That American expat was caught by a surprise pregnancy with a filipina. To “do the right thing”, he wants to bring the filipina to the States to raise the baby. His wife was beyond freaked out over the prospect of her marriage, family and children being ruined. It was a close friend or sister of the wife who posted the story as she was just too distraught to know what to do.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I may or may not decide to visit those other websites, but I don't think I would be telling those people things that they do not already know.
The story that you told was quite a disturbing one. It just goes to show that there is no limit as to how low some people can stoop to get what they want. That filipina in question has absolutely no morals to disrupt a family in such a way.
I talked via the internet with a flipina and it didn't take long until she starting asking for money for various things, medical bills, food, cell phone, etc.
Most flipina women are living in poverty and will do anything to survive including scamming.
@Ray:
Well, at least we know that owners of internet cafes in the Philippines are doing well in business.
I hear that instead of opting to get a real job, hordes of young women turn up to internet in droves in order to connect with men over the internet.
I guess that for them, that is job, too.
With so many internet resources already available and so many private detectives who specialise in filipina scam marriages and now we are introduced to the services of Master Hughes above...
...I am so fucking sick and tired of those people who are intent on perpetuating the "some, not all" argument.
How the fuck can it be "some" when all you have to do is google some words on the internet and some uniform and consistent stories come up from men and women all over the world whom are basically saying the same thing although with different words...?
There are large numbers of private detectives based in the Philippines whose specialty work involves detecting relationship/marriage scammers. Their work would have dried up already if this was not a prevalent problem.
Those people who support the "some, not all" should stop yanking my dick and pretend to me that it is merely the pull of gravity.
I did work as an immigration lawyer for 6 years. I KNOW what I saw, heard and felt.
I understand the psyche of the filipina very well.
The issue is not "some, not all".
The more correct position is "most, not all".
everyone knows all australians are racists
It seems that everyone is "racist" when it comes to this issue.
What about those men who have told their stories in this thread and other forums.
Are there stories "racist" or were they "racist" because they chose to get involved with filipinas in the first place?
If they are "racist", then why would they get involved with filipinas in the first place?
I have to wonder about the few people whom have used the word "racist" with such throw away frequency in this thread.
Do they not realise how stupid and ignorant they sound?
"Racist" is not a word of last resort to defend and argument after logic, statistics and reason have been exhausted.
If "racist" were to be injected into the equation, then it seems that the whole world shares a certain view about the filipino people.
To prove it: just perform a google search.
I am still waiting for somebody on the pro-filipina side to provide me with a convincing argument for the following:
1. If filipino men have not failed their own women, then why do filipinas seek out foreign men to marry over their own filipino men;
2. If "some, not all", then why are there so many internet resources about filipinas marrying for economic and migration reasons;
3. If "some, not all", then why are there so many personal stories of men whom have had negative experiences with filipinas;
4. If "some, not all", then why has my government, the Australian government adopted policies to assess filipinas as a "high risk" group for spouse visa assessments; and
5. If "some, not all", then why do Westerners, Middle Eastern people and fellow Asian people tend to hold the same perspective about filipinas.
C'mon. I'm awaiting an intelligent, well argued reply.
Perhaps I shouldn't hold my breath.
@bob7959:
Um..."all Australians are racist"?
Really? That is a big call.
But "some, not all" filipinas are whores who marry for economic and migration reasons?
Do you not realise how utterly moronic you sound?!
The statement “all Australians are racist” is both sweeping and inaccurate. I have friends and relatives who currently live in various cities in Australia. Their parents who speak no English and visit them regularly are always helped with great courtesy and welcome by Australian whites at the airport, restaurants, malls, public places wherever they go. It would be highly unfair to dismiss these kind folks as being racist.
@TanfromAustralia – I found the article below in sexwork.com posted some years back that explains the impression foreigners now have of filipinas whoring purely by choice. The last paragraph says it all:
“The salary they are paid of say P150/night (I saw ads for dancers in Angeles City) is about the same or more as being a store clerk or factory worker.
As one women explained, she worked in a hellhole sardine canning factory in Manila making P125/day, below legal minimum wage for Manila. Swaying one's hips till 5 AM is not necessarily easy but beats cutting off fish heads all day.
BUT...they only get P150 if all they do is show up for work and never get a customer to buy them a drink, be barfined etc. They make about P35 on every lady drink. In Angeles they make 50% of the barfine (typically P950) and all the tips from the man the next morning. Common is for tips of P100-P500 in Angeles, P500-P1000 in Manila except in Makati where higher tips are expected. P1000 = $US 26 as of April 1999.
As one girl told me, she and many bargirls feel it is much more degrading to work in a sweat shop factory or McDonalds than to be a bargirl and makes LOTS more money to help their families. They much more enjoy the company of men for much better money.”
The $$ values are of course much higher today, but it shows a culture that has been and still is.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Funny about that...
I would rather chose to work in a sardine factory for way less pay as a means to retain my dignity rather than selling my body and morals by working as a bar slut, but that's just me.
Perspective, just like choice, can be a very uniquely individual thing...
This is just a waste of time.This site is not about what seem to be. It about people being scam and the most racist site I had been. I would not waste my time and will go back to check on my investments. There were scammers in that business too.Does anybody knows that? You will be scam if you let other scam you, for love, money and also investments. It takes two to tango. I'm out of here!
No business without customers. I doubt many of those men were dragged in those bars kicking and screaming!
Why are posters intent on turning the issue on the men constantly? Does this negate the moral culpability of the filipinas who scam?
Guess what? there are chinese prostitutes as well in UAE and they are the cheapest :)
Asians are racists against Asians
Guess what? there are chinese prostitutes as well in UAE and they are the cheapest :)
Asians are racists against Asians
@TanofAustralia
Magandang Umaga,Hapon at Gabi sayo. This is my opinion.
Regarding 1) I would say that the vast majority of Filipinas marry local men and are as satisfied as most women around the world are. You make it sound like nobody wants to marry a local guy.
Regarding 2: there are a lot of resources because there is a lot of demand. Many men here are sick of the attitudes of local girls. When the guys are not happy and there is a substantial number of women that aren't happy, it is only natural that market forces will cause the creation of sites that attempt to meet the need. You could place a substantial amount of the blame for these sites on American men. Notice that there aren't a whole lot of sites around for marrying women from Africa.
A lot of American men do find Asian women attractive, they also appreciate the traditional values that a lot of them have.
Regarding 3) You didn't site any statistics that support your argument. In general, someone who is satisfied with something will tell a few people, but an unhappy person will tell dozens. This is true in all situations, not just someone who gets a bad deal on a car, but someone who was led to believe that an Asian wife would make his life better might scream far and wide when he finds out that they are not a magic cure for all of his problems.
Regarding 4: The US government also does the same thing, they claim different reasons but there is a law here called IMBRA that supposedly was enacted to protect foreign brides. There are people that claim that the real reason it was enacted was to protect local women from overseas competation.
Regarding 5, I think that most people get their opinions from news or other sources that don't really do an in-depth analysis.They take some half-assed story to be gospel.
I have read pros and cons, and both are right and both are wrong. A guy that doesn't wash below his eyebrows and treats women like shit isn't going to have any more success with a foreign bride than he has with one from his own country.
If you add to this some desperation from economically disadvantaged people, it is a recipe for disaster. She'll put up with his shit only for as long as it takes until she can support herself. The real villian in this story is the guy, not the girl.
@pajamazzon:
1. If what you say about local filipinas preferring local men over Westen men is true, how do you account for the fact that the filipino people are statistically the second highest group of people who marry interracially? It seems that there is an obsession amongst the filipino people to export themselves to other countries and they are not doing it on the basis of work visas. Statistically, an overwhelming majority of visa applications made from the Philippines are spouse visa applications;
2. I was referring to the internet resources warning men against filipinas, not the resources purporting to exist based on "demand". Indeed, if there is "demand", it stems from the false representations made by the filipinas to entice these men. Or the "demand" stems from the filipinas' overwhelming urge to marry so she can migrate;
3. How would one quantify the "statistics" on the number of personal stories of men who have had bad experiences with filipinas? Should one perform an internet search and count the personal stories which come up? Why don't you do just that and tell me how many of those you find?
4. Governments don't tend to create migration policies based on racist or prejudice against a particular group of people. For example, my government assesses work visa applications from Middle Eastern countries with neutrality despite the issue of terrorism being in the forefront of international consciousness. My government deems filipinas as a "high risk" group for migration purposes based upon the overwhelmingly high volumes of spouse visa applications coming from the Philippines. This isn't about protecting foreign brides, but about protecting its own citizens against marriage scammers from the Philippines;
5. No, most people do not feel what they feel based upon what they see in the media. I can form my own opinion based upon my direct experience as an immigration lawyer for 6 years. Many men have formed their own opinion after their negative experience with a filipina and other people have had friends and/or relatives whom have also had bad experiences. The suggestion that we have all largely been affected by media sources is quite stupid.
And lastly, what is plainly stupid is your suggestion that it is the men whom are the "villains" rather than the women. These women, as you rightly put it, put up with the men until they get what they want. That suggests that these women marry these men for economic and migration reasons. These women are the scammers, they are not the victim...
@pajamazzon,
How can you say the American men are the real villains when there are many documented accounts where the filipina schemes to marry an American man, (while remaining married to her filipino husband since divorce is illegal in the Philippines), goes to the U.S. where she marries the American and drains his money through sending remittances to her family (usually under the pretences of medical emergency, education needs, etc) then after two years living in the U.S. obtains her green card, divorces him and gets all his assets. Then she sponsers her filipino husband and her family to the U.S.
Are you implying that the filipina is the victim (through a state of desperation coming from a economically disadvantaged country) and the manner in which she helps her family (while scamming the American husband) is justifiable?
I would be the first to admit that there are some Western men who go to South East Asia to exploit vulnerable, economically challenged women because they are an easy target and need to marry these men to transcend beyond their poverty. Some of these women have been bullied, assaulted and intimidated. Nobody deserves to go through something like that because they want a better life for themselves.
Perhaps that is what pajamazzon was hinting at when she was talking about the victim. It is a personal choice for these women to stay in abusive relationships in the anticipation of obtaining their green card before leaving their husband. Let's not forget that it is their choice to stay. The prison is not a physical prison but rather the true prison is the anticipation of the green card. This perspective puts into a proper context of whether these women are victims through circumstance or by choice.
Choice is not always easy. Choice could be the hardest thing on Earth. But we all have choices in our lives. Some people are too afraid to accept that because they don't want to accept responsibility for their own lives. Very few of us can truly claim to be a victim of circumstance.
But this article isn't about that. This article is about the tendency of filipinas to trick men into marriage by resorting to making false representations about themselves. This article is about the tendency to exploit foreign men which stem from ingrained cultural traits.
Stop yanking my dick. Don't shift the perspective and debate away from the subject matter of this article. On the large, filipinas are not the victims.
They are scammers, liars, prostitutes and gold diggers. It takes one to defend one. And it takes one to be sympathetic to one.
The rest of the world isn't sympathetic. They just want to be able to call a spade a spade...and not pretend it's a shovel.
Very well-said @TanfromAustralia. Thank you for consistently articulating the thoughts and feelings on behalf of so many.
@sadbutTrue - If you have not read the entire thread and understood what has been said about straight-out prostitutes vs home-wreckers and pretend-wives like those described by @Halwick 2 posts above, then I invite you to do so.
They are greedy and cheap regardless of the family/education backgrounds. I have many Filipina friends and they are all the same. They spend your money like their money and never return a single cent...
All of these Asians were whores. The flips,gooks and chinks were all whores taking advantages of all foreigners usually the Aussies who were a bunch of pussies anyway. A gook will always be a gook wherever he is living. A flips will always be a flips and that goes too to all the chinks.
See what I have been getting at? Now ALL Asian women are whores, while "no, not all filipinas" are.
Let's try to dilute the filipina discussion by spreading out the Asian whore concept across Asia...
...some agendas are as transparent as glass.
We all know which group are culturally ingrained whores.
By the way, I noticed that there are a few other related articles on this website which encourages men to marry filipinas, created by a user named "DANPOWERS".
Is he the same wanker who goes by the name of 'Danlovesfilipinas' in this thread?
If so, it would make sense for him to defend the myths and bullshit he has created and perpetuated...
Of course it is transparent as glass. I also notice a sudden drop in "no, not all" postings by pinays lately. New game plan. I remember what I read on the "Told You So" thread - PH people will gang up and lie for one another against foreigners.
Yes, I noticed the danpowers hubs a while ago when that imposter poster came on the scene. It did cross my mind.
@moneycantbuymelove
Oh dont worry. I already received an email from the hubpages moderator asking me to cite the comments here.
I reported this comment thread last week and it is already being reviewed to be UNPUBLISHED.
:)
You can't get rid of free speech even if this entire thread ends up being yanked.
It's like trying to remove a drop of water from a huge ocean.
There are battles so futile and the results so insignificant that it is better to focus one's effort and time on more fruitful endeavours.
If you are going to "cite", at least do so with balance.
That means you also include posts where your fellow people insult, harrass and threaten other posters as well.
It is a very filipino cultural trait to present a one-sided issue, despite having 2 faces and a lack of familiarity with the truth.
Whatever TAn.
I already told you, do your thing and I will do mine.
Freedom of speech is fine. But what you are doing here is dehumanizing an entire race of people.
Dehumanization is a precursor of discrimination, isolation and VIOLENCE.
You worry about Filipino women scamming men for their money?
I worry about the innocent Filipinos who will become potential victims of uneducated men who read your poisonous words and believe that ALL FILIPINOS ARE WHORES, SCAMMERS AND LIERS AND DO NOT DESERVE RESPECT.
It isn't that easy to destroy digital data. Nothing to stop anyone from making a copy of this entire thread up to its most current update and post relevant comments elsewhere and everywhere in the future.
You are delusional to paint filipinas as unwilling victims. They may be victims by choice, but rarely by circumstance.
A group of people who whore themselves and scam other people do not deserve any respect.
Even if you do get this thread yanked, there are countless other venues where this subject matter will resurface.
That's why I suggested that you and Tan should start your own little racist website against Filipinos.
You two complement each other quite perfectly.
Too many of those websites already exist. You have to wonder why. Filipinos are obviously spreading their charm on a global level.
@Tan
Rarely by circumstance?
Thank you for posting that. It will be cited.
I don't give a shit if this thread is yanked.
Perhaps we can all join the topics started by 'DANPOWERS'.
Lol! :-)
@Tan- you should call yourself a demagogue.
It simply shows that you do not give a damn if innocent Filipino people become victims of prejudice, isolation and violence as a result of the disinformation and racial propaganda you preach in this thread.
Give logical, unbiased advice and stop being a bigoted racist.
Hardly necessary. There are way too many sites out there that say way worse things about filipinas I never even wanted to paste here. Redemption is not in quashing and denying the truth. Nor in turning one's back on one's own country and people. I have said this before a few months back.
A country is about its people. It can only be rebuilt and redeemed from within, by its own. As a little girl in Asia, I grew up admiring the beauty of the PH national costume for women, their colourful dresses when performing the bamboo dance during international cultural shows, the music, the art and craft. There was so much beauty back then. Where is all that now, but filthy write-ups about pinays whoring and scamming and cheating. I have only distrust now of anything PH, after seeing and hearing about so many others being bitten. In business too.
What do you find so subjective about my argument that the Australian government deems filipinas as a "high risk" group for migration purposes?
And if you are going to "cite", at least give translated versions of those posts written in tagalog (the language of deceit)....
@objectivelyspeaking:
The best way to fix a problem is to truly take ownership of it and work on it from there. Defending against the truth at all costs is only a form of denial.
As people, filipinas are entitled to dignity and more choices in life other than selling themselves to survive...
@TanfromAustralia - If there has been genuine interest among the majority of PH people in fixing their country, it wouldn't be in the state it is today. What happened to my family member and church youth group leader who died 20 years ago did not end there. More people have been hurt in the same if not worse ways since then, on a much larger scale. That's what's so alarming and that's why I am posting here. There were a precious few filipinas who have posted their apologies here, for what their people have done to foreigners. I really appreciate that. Other than those few gracious voices under fire, the rest have only posted arrogant denial, aggression and intimidation, expressing absolutely no interest in any real admission and discussion. You may have noticed, those who posted apologies or admitted the truth are still in PH, or returning to PH after their OFW stint. Those who cry bloody murder against you and I are somewhere in a first world country, with a foreign husband or boyfriend. What does that tell us?
This is why I posted an appeal a few months ago to all foreigners to keep warning others and keep watching over the integrity of this thread. Many foreigners in their various countries are warning others in their real life situations. We see posters here talking about how their family had tried to warn the victim, victims who posted that they had been warned by family and friends...so lots of people out there already know. Even @Niki posted that her friends warned her it is more dangerous sending her husband to PH than to Africa.
Yanking this thread is the best PH can do? Who does that help? A concern for innocent people? What is the ratio of innocent to dangerous people in PH? They know the answer best themselves.
Thats what I am doing objectivelyspeaking, I am neither quashing or denying the truth nor turning my back against my country and people.
I accept the fact that there are Filipino scammers. And I do not condone them.
What I am against here is the false information some of you preach in this thread like - the "Filipina phenomenon" you speak of and claim as an INGRAINED CULTURE of the Philippines. That is BIGOTRY!
You want to learn about the REAL Filipino Culture? Here, read Chapter 5 of a textbook used in one of the most respected Universities in the Philippines. It is titled -- THE AMBIVALENCE OF FILIPINO TRAITS AND VALUES. http://www.crvp.org/book/Series03/III-7/chapter_v.
This time, this information is coming from a true-blooded Filipino.
Not a Vietnamese former immigration lawyer living in Australia who bases his opinions of the Filipino people on his mere 6 yrs of working on "high risk cases" of Filipino migrants to Australia and seems to think he is a WESTERNER.
Or a half Chinese half European woman who never showed any tinge of respect for my country and my people and who bases her opinions of an entire nation off of materials that she reads from the internet and some personal experiences, that I am sure doesn't even count to a thousand.
I will support both of you in your campaign to warn foreigners of Filipino scammers, especially the women who want to marry them for their money or for the greencard.
But I will also continue to stand against the both of you when you relentlessly and shamelessly belittle, slander and lambaste my country, my culture and my people.
It is getting late here, but I will share some posts made by good and educated filipinas and filipinos tomorrow. This is how I know they do exist. For you to dismiss my information is entirely your own agenda, I have no interest in dwelling more into that. And, please substantiate what you mean by half European and half Chinese? I sense a measure of disdain. Does that make me more or less of a human being to be posting here?? Please give me a straightforward answer and do not say that my question does not make sense therefore does not deserve an immediate answer. You have pulled this stunt before on @TanfromAustralia. Also, you have not answered a question posed to you by @Halwick. I am still waiting.
As for the book, I just read a post on another board about educated pinays and their "book" education. There was also one on the average IQ of PH. Those are posts I did not want to paste here.
I've said it before and will say it again...."What a sick world we live in"! Meanwhile, my Filipina fiance and I walk with our heads held high knowing the filth of this world can never, and will never, touch us.
@LinuVrai:
How many times have I said that this is NOT about you?! The larger issue is that your country is in crisis because there are some cultural practices and customs of your people which is making a negative global impact.
Neither you nor anybody else truly believes the bullshit you are intent on peddling about how only "some, not all" filipinas marry for economic and migration reasons.
This is a fucking global issue. It is not solely created and perpetuated by your women, but your women are major contributors to this phenomenon. And yes, it is a fucking huge phenomenon when you consider the extremely high volumes of spouse visa applications coming from your country and the fact that it is the most popular hobby of your young women to spend time in internet cafes trying to hook up with foreign men.
That is why if I google the terms "filipino internet scam" a large number of results show up. If I performed a search for "Australian internet scammers", few results appear.
Most of us people are not stupid. Even people whom have not had the benefit of a legal career like mine know about these issues through six degrees of separation.
@objectivelyspeaking
To answer your question quite simply -- You are not a Filipino. You have no idea what Filipino culture is or what is taught to Filipinos. Therefore, you are not qualified to talk of a culture you know nothing about.
As for the disdain you sense, it is no more than a projection of your own as reflected by your vile comments about my people, my country and my culture.
Your condescension is now even clearer. I give you a link to an actual book about my culture and all you do is negatively comment about "educated pinays and their 'book' education?"
You have gone from lambasting a nation and its culture to insulting the IQ of the Filipinos.
That is very EVIL and pitiful.
@objectivelyspeaking
Your recent comments have been quite observant and insightful.
Yes, it seems true that the few people who have gotten very riled up by our comments are the filipino people who now live abroad and have had the benefit of Western lives.
I hate to make blatant assumptions about other people, but could it be that they are so riled up because our comments so accurately reflect some of the decisions and choices they have made themselves to get a better life.
Remember this: if it is not true, then why should it offend? Or conversely, it only offends if it is true.
I think I may have inadvertently pressed the psycho button in 'Danlovesfilipinas' when I made remarks about the tendency of filipinas to marry for economic and migration reasons. When he revealed that his mother is a filipina who married an American man, I was about to connect the dots, was able to understand what his beef with me was really about.
Am I wrong about his mother? Quite possibly so. But the larger issue I am trying to articulate is that filipinas are entitled to have dignity and have much more choices in their lives. They are entitled to have autonomy and self-respect....
@Doc' - yes, what a sick world we live in! I almost feel sorry for Bigots... Almost.
@LinuVrai:
Your latest post to objectivelyspeaking is absolutely ridiculous!
Are you suggesting that only filipino people can understand their own culture?!
I dealt directly with filipinas for 6 fucking years. I spoke to them on a daily basis, I helped them put together their spouse visa applications, I was there to witness the beginning of their relationships with Australian men when they enticed these men and I witnessed them screwing these men over in the end when they no longer needed them?
What the fuck is it about these women that I don't understand?!
@Doc:
You seem to fit the mould of men who tend to get scammed by filipinas. You remind me of my former male clients, who wore rose coloured glasses and had their head so far up their arse that they did not see the proverbial knife in the back looming.
the "6 fucking year-experience" you had with these bad Filipino women, even on a daily basis, doesn't make it a concrete, absolute CULTURAL experience.
You believing that it is -- is a grotesque reification of something as complex and abstract as a culture of an entire nation.
Get over yourself, lawyer.
But during those 6 fucking years I dealt with a large and diverse group of filipinas, ranging from young to old, bar girls to professionals...and mostly it all tends to come down to the economic and migration reasons for marriage.
I don't know what you are trying to imply by stating "bad filipino women".
I dealt with a very diverse group of filipinas.
Of course I understand filipinas. I understand them, their drives and motivations very well.
You should get over yourself if you think you understand them more than me just people you are a filipino woman.
You dealing with a very diverse group of Filipinas still doesn't make your experience a "Culture."
I deal with a very diverse group of American people on a daily basis too. But unlike you, I never assume the experience I gather as the concrete, true culture of these people.
There is a reason why they are called CULTURAL CONSTRUCTS. It's because they are ideas that cannot be measured.
A concept or an idea takes a life of its own in people's heads. People like you who have very limited thought processes. Reification is a real problem for a lot of people. They want to believe that everything is very simple and concrete even when it is clear that it is not.
That sounds like intellectual masturbation at its best.
Who are you trying to fool by attempting to demonstrate your ability for complex thought when there are some simple truths you still cannot accept or fathom...?
You still have not answered the million dollar question: why has my government classified filipinas as a "high risk" category?
When I stand against your bigotry with intellectual rebuttals, you disregard it and call it intellectual masturbation.
Your ego is clearly overcompensating for something very small. I wonder what it is...
P.S.
Oh and I accept the simple-minded facts you presented here. I never denied them. The existence of scamming, lying, gold-digging Filipinas? Yes. They exist.
I had a long day but still awake. Thank you @TanfromAustralia for your last post. Yes, I have been trained to read between the lines, look out for the unobvious, listen for what is not said, or said in double talk.
Gosh! I was actually looking forward to a meaningful discussion with @Lilu, but I guess she shot me down before we even started and it is now a dead end road. When did I insult the IQ of filipinos? I only said I did not paste those posts here. Reason - I question the source and accuracy of those posts until I can verify them. BTW, these are posts not by dickheads or supposed PH haters. These are posts by expats or husbands/boyfriends of filipinas and still happily in those relationships. They live permanently in PH or visit frequently, observe and share their thoughts as they see it.
The 80/20 rule applies in gleaning web info. Smart people learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from other people's mistakes. I am not the only one using the internet to avoid making mistakes. A progressive and successful business organization pay great attention to and take action on negative feedback about their company and products or services. This is why they run surveys online, and analyse the harvested data purposefully. HR experts use FB to assess an incumbent's suitability for the job. Funny how the people who keep dismissing the accuracy and usefulness of the internet have landed on this board because they were using the internet for research in the first place. Hypocrisy and double talk?
Beyond the internet, I also have 2 filipinas in my big extended family by marriage. No, they are not scammers and liars and cheaters. They are successful filipinas who are so sick of the sad reality in PH. I also have close friends who own businesses in PH. They do not deny what we are discussing here because they know so, and we can be honest with each other about the truth.
2 people in my life have died in the hands of filipinas. 1 person has her marriage forever ripped apart. She never remarried. The only reason she did not lose her mind was because of outstanding family and church support. My words here can never make up for the irreversible damage these innocent people have suffered, for trusting the people of PH. Vile comments? How convenient.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder and don't care what people call me. I have been called worse in the UK by true racists when I was a poor student there.
Alrighty then, so much for trying to have a conversation with an educated pinay. That's 2 of us now @TanfromAustralia, so this thread's audience can see for themselves. Ironically, this confirms the post on educated pinays and their book education on the other board.
playing smarty pants like that objectivelyspeaking - doesn't work as well as you think it does.
I've read your past conversations with people who disagreed with you. You are the one who relegates the ideas of people to the trash bin ALL THE TIME just because they do not agree with you entirely.
I wonder what your church has to say if they ever read your comments here.
Bigotry at its best.
No, I have read my past conversations with YOU where you were intent on dismissing the truth because it did/does not accord with your own cultural sensibilities.
Do not project aspects of yourself onto others...
@objectivelyspeaking
when did you insult the IQ's of Filipinos? When you posted this:
"As for the book, I just read a post on another board about educated pinays and their "book" education. There was also one on the average IQ of PH. Those are posts I did not want to paste here."
Such linguistic tricks can not hide your condescension.
She was quoting a reference. She did not directly insult. Stop twisting things around...
Ofcourse I will not agree with your claim that :
"Filipinas want to marry foreigners" is an ingrained culture. Because it is false.
I do agree however, that there are Filipinas who will marry for money or for a chance to leave their impoverished lives in the Philippines.
But again, this doesn't make it an ingrained culture.
See? I agree with some of your ideas. You, however, only agree with YOUR IDEAS and the ideas of people who also continuously insult my people.
That makes you a bigot and a racist.
TanfromAustralia 7 minutes ago
She was quoting a reference. She did not directly insult. Stop twisting things around...
That's why I called it a LINGUISTIC TRICK. Because it is NOT A DIRECT insult. It is an INDIRECT one.
DUH.
Having the ability to read between the lines is not twisting things around. pffft.
D'uh...
If I quoted my government, would that make me "racist"?
D'uh...!
you continuously spreading false information is what makes you a racist.
you saying things like this: A group of people who whore themselves and scam other people do not deserve any respect. -- makes you a RACIST.
not you quoting your government.
for a lawyer , you are pretty dense.
not impressive at all.
You need only to research the immigration policies of Western countries to see whether which one of us is correct...
Bigot comment noted.
Delusional idiot response noted.
You need to go back school and learn about CULTURAL RELATIVISM. Look it up. I'm sure you do not know what it is, which explains why you act and think like a bigoted racist.
How old are you again? 34 years old? Its never too late to get a good education. I'm very sure you can afford one too.
Goodluck!
Oh and don't forget to learn about ETHICAL RELATIVISM as well young man. It is a very interesting subject.
You should learn about defence mechanisms and the head-in-your-arse phenomenon.
FAIL.
And correction, I believe the slang is called "head UP your ass" which is not a phenomenon rather a befitting description of bigots such as yourself, oblivious to everything else other than their own absolute truths.
EPIC FAIL.
Try again.
No, the "head-in-your-arse" phenomenon refers to self-conceit and self-denial to the extent that you end up being absorbed by your own foolishness.
"Head-up-your-arse" just refers to ignorance and lack of awareness.
again - thats a FAIL.
Try harder lad.
@objectivelyspeaking and @TanfromAustralia,
Re the "educated pinay" and others like her, it's hard to have a conversation or debate with anyone who expertly uses sophistry in their rationalizations.
yes its hard to have an intelligent debate with bigots and racists such as you people.
It is not sophistry. It is just common sense and common rationalization.
Any level headed person would know that.
Obviously you are not level headed.
You're a fool that I have wasted too much time on...
RACIAL VILIFICATION IS AGAINST THE LAW.
Persistent and serious verbal or written abuse or behavior that offends people of a particular race and inciting severe contempt, serious ridicule or revulsion is a VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
You should know that, lawyer.
It's disappointing when a man who is supposed to know the LAW turns out to be a RACIST who violates human rights on a daily basis.
Obviously the filipino mindset has a different concept of what is considered "common sense" and "rational thinking". The mindset is inherently based on denial and deception and makes clever uses of sophistry in their "common rationalization".
The only denial present in this thread is the denial of the racists and the bigots.
The denial of committing unlawful racial vilification against an entire nation of Filipinos.
Racial vilification in the guise of what? Freeedom of speech?
There are always limits in civilized societies as to what one person can say to another.
Obviously, some of you here to not know your limits. Some of you here do not have control of the brewing of slanderous, racist thoughts and even no control at all of the conversion of such thoughts to words in a public place such as this.
Shameful!
I do understand, though, why you people do it anonymously and online.
You do not have the guts to speak or write like this using your real names because you know that you will get your asses kicked in a real life setting. Or worse, be jailed for violating human rights.
So you are nothing but racist cowards.
*slow clapping please for the cowardly racists.
@LiluVrai
Hi, totally agree with your reporting this hub. Flagged certain comments myself, as inappropriate/racist, some weeks ago. Having read Hubpages terms of use, i am quite surprised many posts were allowed!
As i stated before, any level headed readers will certainly see you are not in denial of your country's problems, but prefer to make constructive comments and advice to warn others of potential scammers and ways to avoid them.
It's utterly ridiculous to state the men involved, have no responsibility for the romance scammers. (Philippines and elsewhere) They're the ones enabling the scammers, gold diggers & liars to continue, they're feeding the fire, helping it to spread. As Tan & objectively speaking have said, there are warnings all over the internet and elsewhere. The common advice; "DON'T SEND MONEY" (I've also read several times; no good Pinay will ask, or hint, for money. Must mean there are 'good' ones). Still, we hear stories, daily, of men & women being scammed in this way. (I'm assuming most can use a computer, as that is how they usually meet) You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink!
@moneycantbuymelove
It is unfortunate this Hub is UNMODERATED. That is why people are free to post whatever they wish on the comment thread without being denied or rejected for the inappropriate and racist contents.
I did go to the site you recommended and read thru the forum threads for the sake of comparison. And yes -- I find that the responses/advices I have read there so far are not racist nor sexist at all.
I have no problem with constructive advice that can really help address the issue at hand.
But it is quite obvious that some of the posters here are brewing racism and hatred for my entire people.
That is unacceptable.
@LiluVrai
'But it is quite obvious that some of the posters here are brewing racism and hatred for my entire people.'
To quote my sons; " They're just sad" (means, no life) And as my boy's are teenagers, they do of course, know everything! :}
You're just using the "racist" issue as a last resort because you run out of logical argument.
You don't have to accept anything I say, but do you still persist in the denial of how the entire world generally feels about your people? All you have to do is google the internet.
Are you saying that the stereotypes which exist are largely inaccurate? Stereotypes are only created and perpetuated because of a commonality in behaviour.
So...you are agreeing with objectivelyspeaking and I about the fact that these problems stem from your country, but you think that she and I are wrong about how prevalent it is.
Don't you think it is a bit stupid to keep on peddling the "some, not all" argument when you have not been able to quantify what "some" is...? "Some" would seem to suggest a very small number. I don't think that even you are that stupid and delusional to buy into that bullshit.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I am sure that you can see the latest agenda: let's all pretend that this all stems from "racism".
The filipino psyche is one which is sick and twisted. It is narcissistic and borders on the psychopathic.
I might be old fashioned, but I think it is psychopathic for a woman to marry a man with the sole intention of bleeding him dry and then tossing him aside.
The filipino psyche eschews personal responsibility, decency or accountability.
The attitudes expressed and the defences employed are an indication of how these people reason. Quite disturbing.
@Tan
From dictionary.com; some? ?[suhm; unstressed suhm] Show IPA
adjective
1.
being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object.
2.
(used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home.
3.
of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent.
4.
unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: We talked for some time. He was here some weeks.
5.
Informal . of impressive or remarkable quality, consequence, extent, etc.: That was some storm.
@LinuVrai & moneycantbuymelove:
You're both way off mark to think that I am "racist".
Before I started my job as an immigration lawyer, I never had any negative views about the filipino people. I was quite neutral where they were concerned.
It was only through direct interaction with your people that I learned what I learnt. From direct experience. Therefore, I am only sharing things from my experience.
I've seen all of the tricks that filipinas used, all of the games they played. I don't have to be a filipino to be able to recognise a snake in the grass when I see one.
All I am doing is holding up a mirror to your people. You may not like the reflection, but the reflection is what it is.
Nobody buys into that "racism" bullshit, not even you.
@moneycantbuymelove:
If we are going to get into semantics, I would say that I have interpreted the "some, not all" sentiments expressed in this thread to imply, "not all, a very small number".
However, I support the "most, not all" position based upon immigration statistics and policies.
If there are a large number of filipinas marrying for economic and migration reasons, then that suggests an underlying problem with the Philippines as a country.
It is NOT a myth. It is real social problem.
@Tan
As an immigration lawyer, you dealt with a certain type of person. I work in mental health, i do not think everyone in my country is mentally ill!
@Halwick:
You hit the nail on the head!
The filipino mindset is one which feels an overwhelming sense of entitlement and eschews personal responsibility.
Take this analogy: if they attempt to shoot you with a gun and the gun backfires and causes them injury, they will blame you instead of themselves. They blame you instead because it was their motivation to shoot you which caused them to injure themselves.
That example I gave you is quite hyperbolic, but I am trying to illustrate their psyche and how it works.
During my work as an immigration lawyer, I have heard some reasons expressed by filipinas for why they leave their Australian husbands after they got what they wanted. These reasons included:
1. The men are unattractive to them;
2. The men were unable to financially provide at a level they were satisfied with;
3. They found another man who was much younger;
4. They found another man who was much more sexually attractive; and
5. They found another man who was much better equipped financially.
It is obvious that they originally married these men whom were used as a stepping stone so they can reach better prospects down the track.
It's just like you would discard an old shoe for a new pair. Quite disturbing, actually, when you realise that these women apply the same rationale and logic with an object to another human being, who has hopes and feelings.
There is no depth too low for these women to sink.
@moneycantbuymelove:
No, as an immigration lawyer, I NEVER had the view that all visa applicants were scammers.
That is because I had a lot of genuine cases of work, business and skilled migration applications.
When it comes to spouse visa applications, I had a large number of genuine applications from the US and Europe.
However, about 90% of spouse visa applications from the Philippines were not genuine.
@Tan
Forgive my ignorance, i'm confused. As an immigration lawyer did you assist with spouse visas and deportation of scammers?
"During my work as an immigration lawyer, I have heard some reasons expressed by filipinas for why they leave their Australian husbands after they got what they wanted"
Do those women need to be interviewed by the immigration lawyer when things go wrong?
@moneycantbuymelove
Daily tirades about Filipinos is racist enough for me.
He will never accept any ideas presented here that stand against his bigoted ones.
For him and a few others, their ideas have to be absolutely correct and the rest have to be wrong.
And since I do not completely agree with his thoughts, that makes me a delusional idiot, according to TanfromAus.
I point out racial vilification and bigotry. I know I am not the first and only one who noticed and brought it up either.
@tan
"It was only through DIRECT interaction with your people that I learned what I learnt. From DIRECT experience. Therefore, I am only sharing things from MY experience."
THESE ARE YOUR SUBJECTIVE AND PERSONAL OPINIONS.
again - SUBJECTIVITY is noted in that statement which you have denied over and over again.
you base your opinions of the Filipina women on your direct experience and contact with a few thousands.
I read in an Australian Immigration Report that the number of Filipinos who migrated on fiance and spousal visa was around 3,900+ for 2010. It was a lot less in the previous years.
So given the demographics of the Australian Immigration - how many of the women you encountered scammed their Australian husband SOME 6 YEARS AGO Tan? And you proudly announce that you base your opinions of a nations women and culture based on that number?
Lame and pathetic line of thinking.
You were neutral before but now you are not. Thank you for that very distinct clarification that explains your racial prejudice.
ERGO, YOU ARE A BIGOTED RACIST.
@moneycantbuymelove
Since the lawyer never provided me with his source, I took it upon myself to do a little research. I found information from the Australian Government Department of Immigration and Citizenship website, under Publications, Research, Statistics, and Historical Resources. I skimmed through the first link "Report of Migration" and it is very informative.
here is the link to the Australian Government Department of Immigration and Citizenship:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/statistics/statistica
The migration report is from 2007-2011.
All of this doesn't change the fact that filipinas are gold digging whores, cheers everyone, i'll drink to that.
@Dubailover
Filipinas are gold digging whores? Are you saying all Filipinas? Or just Pinays you had a chat with or you have interacted with?
"Be very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines"
-If all Filipinas are all gold digging whore, the title should be "Never marry a Filipina."
-What if a Filipina is not in the Philippines? Born and raised in another country? Let's say Vietnam or China...Does it make an exception?
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@LinuVrai:
You are bullshitting everybody again. The link you quoted does NOT specify the number of spouse visa applications coming from the Philippines.
The figures show how many spouse visa applications were APPROVED overall, but does not specify the total number of spouse visa applications made from the Philippines or the total number of spouse visa applications rejected from the Philippines.
There are literally tens of thousands of spouse visa applications made and rejected from the Philippines and these cases have to go on appeal to the Migration Review Tribunal.
Most of the cases are rejected because they are so silly and completely devoid of merit.
You know fuck all about Australian migration laws, policies and procedures so stop pretending to know and stop manipulating statistical data to support your nonsensical arguments.
So this went on all night after I went to bed? Thank you @Halwick for always cautioning us with your wisdom. Thank you @TanfromAustralia for repeatedly jumping to my defence.
I do not have to offer a rebuttal at every charge motherlode hurls at me. Refusing to agree with lies and deception will always be my stand here. That will never change. Silence often speaks louder than words. I am just going to let these ill-appointed, self-appointed "representatives" of PH play it out themselves. The greatest injustice they are doing is to the good people in PH, not to me or those who share my views here. From the looks of Dubailover's comment above, they are doing a really bad job so far.
FB Likes have jumped from 56 to 118 in less than 10 days. Could be more by the time I submit this post. There are a lot of people reading this thread now. I am pretty sure long-time contributors are also quietly following, just reserving comment. Men who have had dealings with nasty pinays are not unfamiliar with this type of behaviour. Men who have not dealt with pinays before are looking at a women talking in hammermouth sophistry. Is that a turn-on or a turn-off? Keep it up @Lilu. The best advice @Doc' ever gave anyone on this board was to you: "Rise above and step away." Too bad you didn't listen.
As for the church, volunteer mission workers to PH are provided with this warning in their orientation packets: "when many Filipinos see foreigners, they don't see a person, they only see money." This is because Christian works who go to work in PH orphanages, street kids centers and health clinics often end up having their generosity abused by some locals.
Truth and reality have a way of coming out on their own. Enjoy the show, but please do not forget those who have been harmed, scammed, robbed by those deceitful, ungrateful, selfish, greedy, gold-digging pinays. Pinay destruction go so deep and vicious there is mostly no recovery for those who have been whacked in a pretend-marriage to one. I want to remember also the 2 in my life who died in their hands so many years ago.
@SadButTrue:
I would never recommend that men should marry filipinas.
There are so few good filipinas that finding a good one is like finding a diamond in a large pile of horse shit.
It matters little whether the filipinas are educated or not because they are ingrained whores.
@objectivelyspeaking:
This entire thread is proof of how sick and twisted the filipino mindset is: the denial of truth, the deflection, the bending and manipulation of concrete facts, the embellishments and the pathological lying.
I hope the men who are reading this entire thread can gain an insight into how the filipino mindset works and avoid them like the plague. They are nothing but trouble and will bleed you dry to get what they want...
Typo corrections to my last post: “116”, “woman”, “workers”.
@TanfromAustralia - Of course it is with arguments positioned only for a self-serving agenda. This is why from now on, I want to post less, read more. I still have some info to share, when certain arguments come up. It should come as little surprise that your opponents here do not understand why you would throw yourself this far into the line of fire to protect a best friend. How would a people given to selling out their own family, husbands pimping out their own wives, parents/grandparents pushing their own (grand)daughters into marrying old decrepit men, village-heads duping their own innocent village girls into prostitution by lying to them about overseas jobs, women befriending girls in their early teens in public parks then forcing them into child prostitution. If you google up “Sharon child prostitution Philippines”, you will read this horrendous story and the atrocities committed against her for (if I remember correctly) 18 long months.
If a young girl still in uni comes on a board like this with pre-conceived plans not to marry her own, post about plans and desires to nail a foreign man, dream about fil/am or korpino babies, it says something about a culture. I see young PH families all the time where I live. They have beautiful children!! Says who children have to be mix-bred to be beautiful. Is this line of thinking unique to PH? How did this type of thinking even get hatched?
Societal shifts take time to propagate. A negative trend that is harmful to a country’s well-being can be reversed with enough conscious effort and fortitude geared in the right direction. The good governments of many progressive countries have achieved this, but not without help from their own citizens. PH can do the same if they really want to. That is my belief. We can only watch as bystanders, protect our own society and family from those who pose a threat to our own. The real job of redemption can only be done by PH's own. Quitting the country does not help.
Why are they obsessed with defending their country and culture when they have more or less already sold both out?!
To make themselves look better in the eyes of those around them in the first world country where they are, I suppose. That my friend, is a self-serving agenda.
Perhaps they are also defending the bad choices they have made.
The kind of Filipina women you are hanging out with are obviously women of low moral. There are many highly educated Filipinas out there. I'm living in the Philippines. I know a lot about them.
Are you settling for someone who is below your peer? If you claim to be a lawyer how come you you choose these kind? In the same way there are also a lot of these kind of women in Australia.
Elevate yourself Tan, find a Filipina of your caliber. Then, you would be happy.
@Lyle Strong:
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
I don't hang out with filipinas nor have I ever dated them.
What is it about what I have said that has led you to make such a ridiculous assumption...?
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@Lyle Strong, @Doc, and others married to or about to marry Filipinas:
One would have to wonder why a foreigner would "happily" take on a Filipina wife whose family (HER parents, siblings and extended relatives) are almost always going to be more important to HER than the foreign husband, notwithstanding that she will make her foreign husband to feel an obligation to make financial contributions towards HER family in the Philippines and give that husband grief if she perceives that he is NOT providing for HER family to the absolute best of his ability. I have always thought it sad that he must give her the best he has, while HER priorities are elsewhere. I see this so often with men married to Filipina wives.
@Halwick:
What you described about the filipinas' attitude to and expectations from a marriage to a Western man accords with everything I observed during my time working as an immigration lawyer.
The filipinas view this kind of marriage as some sort of familial obligation she has to take on for her extended family. It is some sort of sacrifice that she makes because she thinks it will benefit her extended family financially. Her focus is on her extended family and she does not consider that she is exploiting her foreign husband.
You also made the comment about why a foreign man would take on a filipina as a wife when her first priority is always to her parents and her siblings.
The truth is that most Western men don't really know what they are getting into, because most of these women camoflage the issue at first. The majority of foreign men find it repugnant that their income earned from work is being used to pay to build a house for their filipina wife's brother.
That very idea is both repugnant and despicable to Western thinking. It does not matter whether the foreign man is extremely wealthy. The very idea of having to financially support your wife's brother or sister when they are capable of working is offensive to anyone who truly understands what a hard day of work really feels like.
This fucked up filipino cultural notion of extended family support should not be understood in the context of helping to pay for food for somebody else because they are starving or do not have a roof over their heads. At least that would be understandable.
The pressure placed upon the foreign husband to support his filipina wife's extended family mainly stems from their desire to obtain a more comfortable life, other words, their obsession to catch up to middle class standards of living. They want the 5 bedroom house with swimming pool as well.
And before anybody accuses me of not knowing what I am talking about because I am not a filipino, I say that I understand the filipino culture like the back of my hand.
During my work as an immigration lawyer, I interacted a lot with filipinas as they were my clients. That experience was insightful because they shared information with me that they did not reveal to their husbands.
These women are such scammers that they constantly made up stories of family crises back in the Philippines as a means of extracting money from their Australian husbands. The truth about why they needed the money was really stupid, like their brother wanting to buy a new car or something like that. Their Australian husbands were probably already working 2 jobs to make ends meet.
These women were expert liars that it bordered on the pathological. I have never met such a despicable group of people before in my life.
And if a filipina marries a foreign husband primarily because she wants to use him to support her parents and siblings, why can't other people see that what she really doing is prostituting herself?
She is selling herself for a material benefit for her and her extended family.
The concept of prostitution is so prevalent and widespread in filipino culture that it has totally escaped their people, it is blocked from their sensibilities and consciousness perhaps as some sort of collective defence mechanism.
It is prostitution pure and simple. Don't fucking dress it up as anything other.
Filipinas don't prostitute themselves to their own filipino men, only to Western men. This is because filipino men are mostly a pathetic, pitiful, spineless, dickless losers whom don't have any money to pay their own women.
I am a filipina and it hurts a lot seeing all these negative comments against us and how most foreigners think of us as sluts/whore etc.But then,let's face the reality,it's a fact!! There are lots-lots of filipinas doing those things....I am living in japan for almost 10years now and I've seen and heard a lot about my fellow pinays being sluts,materialistic,opportunists, and most of all cheating against their husbands(especially if the japanese is too old).I myself,came here as a singer/entertainer nine years ago as my parents cannot afford to send me to school,my plan then was to gather enough money(from my salary)so I can continue my studies in college..I came here at the age of 18,and never did it entered my mind about falling inlove to a japanese man especially getting married to one of them.But then who knows about what God's plan for us?To make the story short,i fell inlove so deeply to this jap.man, and i know he feels the same way too..he was so shocked and overwhelmed when he found out that he was the first guy who took my virginity and probably that made him decide that he wants us to get married quickly..he paid my remaining 2years contract and we got married in 2003...we now have 2 beautiful and smart kids.I don't wanna sound self-righteous but with God's grace,despite all the obstacles we encountered as a couple and all the temptation(there were times I was tempted to go back to my previous job w/c is entertainer because of the high salary)i stayed being just a full housewife, and i am also proud to say that even though we have quite a huge age gap,he is still the one and only man in my life..I couldn't imagine myself making fool out of him or cheating like what most pinays here do..Some of my friends tells me things like 'what am I gonna do after 15-20 years when my husband couldn't make love w/me anymore?i tell them,we'll see when we get there...I don't want to worry too much about the future,we'll see when we get there..BTW,my husband is a dentist,he is a well-respected man here but still he took the risk of marrying a pinay despite of our bad reputation as an entertainer here...As much as possible,i dont ask him about money,but since he didn't want me to work so maybe he knows he has to give me for our everyday expenses and in case of emergencies.I never asked him to buy me a house or an expensive signatured brand of bags etc.like most pinays here do...but I honestly tells him that when our youngest enters elementary(w/c is next year,and he is allowing me to work)i am planning to find a part time job and with my salary I am going to spend it to whatever it is that I want,like those things said above,fortunately he agreed.And also,my husband belongs to a family of doctors,his father,younger sister and two brother in-laws are all doctors.He actually hid us from them for almost 7 years because
(sorry I accidentally clicked the post comment sign)anyway,when his family found out about us,the expected reaction from his strict father was to get really,really mad at him and might probably command him to send us back to Philippines.But when they saw our cute children,they had no choice but to accept us.That was two years ago,as of now I can say that my mom-in-law likes me a lot(according to her gestures)and she is so amazed whenever she visits us w/o informing and our house so clean and organized,also they say my children are polite and behave well most of the time...My point here is that,NOT ALL FILIPINA ARE THE SAME...my husband and his family are well-respected people here and they are smart,intelligent people,but I think they are now convinced that not all of us pinays are bad..Until now,we have a smooth relationship and we get together 2-3times a month having lunch or dinner somewhere,and they never made me feel intimidated nor show any sign of embarrassment because they have a pinay in their company...So to all the pinay haters out there,please do not generalized....
I was about to post some negative comments about this Philippines flips but after reading all these comment here, I found out that the one running the show and talking a lot of shit here is a fucking gook. A gook will always be a gook even if they are permanent resident of Australia. Just like the japs, flips and chinks, they were all whores.
Objectivelyspeaking? Are you also a gook talking to another gook or an Aussie that do not have a dick? Just because you get to migrate in another country means that you are part of that society. You are not even considered a second hand citizen. A beaner that cross the border or migrate to the U.S are just scumbags like the gook, flips, chinks and japs.
TanfromAustralia ? In your comment that I had read.you are definitely a gook that want to blend in the society but guess what? You still will look and act like a gook for sure, no matter what you said. It is amazing to me that there is racist gook here in Ultra-Ignoramus site. That is so f@cking hilarious. We should be the only one that is entitled to call all of you, chinks, japs,flips and gooks like you “Whores”. My grandpa use to hunt your ancestors in rat tunnels with a 45 cal. He said that he crawl his way down the tunnel in total darkness and when he sees a light, for sure there were gook like you eating their fucking rice and that how he kills three and the other rats starts running away leaving after my grandpa throw a grenade on these f@cking rats like you. One of my friends married one of these japs and they were nothing but controlling bitches. The philippines flips are no better too for they do the same shit that the chinks, gooks,japs which were all whores and a bunches of gold diggers. White should marry white and should not bred with all these Asian whores. That is why I call the Aussies pussies for they cannot control their dicks. They should be only putting it on these flips,gooks, japs and chinks mouth in that way, they cannot bred. Don’t worry and I’ll be around here,bitches.
Anybody that associates themselves with all these gooks,chinks,flips and japs were just plain stupid, ignorant and traitors to our race. All of this Asians were nothing but whores. Their men were scumbags too whether they were in their country or they migrated in different countries. Do not put your level to their level. we are more superior that these people.
Yawn...!
Yeah.....you better yawn....Gook. A gook will always be a gook whore no matter you migrate. Yo still cannot blend in the society.
Some people desperately want to get this thread yanked, it seems.
Damned right, i'm yanking your thread,gook. Ihate asians.The filthiest among asian were the Thai guk, Vietcong gooks,japs flips and chinks in that order. We loss 58,000 + Americans against this gook but at least we killed a million of this asian cockroaches. Then the Aussie pussies will let them migrate to Australia? F@ck the Aussies. They do not talk English anyway. They are just a bunch of criminals that were pedophile and sexless people that prey on asian whores then start whining. Just like I said before, white woman is for white men only. Asian men and woman do not have any business mating with our men or woman. F@ck all you gooks, flips,chinks and japs. Asian were bunches of whores.
You at least have to admire the filipino people for their creativity.
They are expert con artists, so give credit where it is due.
This is obviously the same agenda, although with a slightly different spin.
You can suck my dick for all I care.
LinuVrai, are you trying to rally support for the deletion of this thread because it is "racist"?
Back door agendas are what your people are truly expert at, given that you people have perfected the act of lying to an artform.
Really? are you sure that you had a dick, gook? I'll bet you my dick is bigger than yours. I guess I offended the other gook that created this site for it needs to check my comment first before posting it.
Are you the moderator for this site,gook?
Most of the time,the reason why there are haters who easily judge and say bad/hilarious things against others is simply because they are bitter,unhappy & unpeaceful w/their lives..Okay,you think we asians especially filipinas are all the same.. that's fine,so be it..why keep stressing yourselves with this topic?why not just enjoy life,focus on the beautiful and positive things..Anyway,there is always an existing God who gives judgment in everything we do...So friends,hope you stop being so judgmental and taking grudges against others..
Whatever, I'm not devoting any more attention to you.
@Fuminori:
You know way too little about my life to make the blatant assumption that I am bitter and unhappy.
It seems that my most recent post to Halwick above really struck a chord with the filipino readers of this thread.
Remember, it should not offend if it is not true.
Gook, I am not telling you to pay attention on me. You will always be a gook to me.
@Fuminori: Are you a japs or flips? Make up your mine. Fuminori is japs name but you are stating that you from Philippines? You are one confuse individual like that gook from Australia running his mouth on this site stating that he had a dick.
Best video: Paul Hardcastle - 19 (Nineteen)
destruction, vietnam war, napalm bombs, tracers. love it.
Do you know how I know that this F3 wanker is a filipino plant? He makes derogatory comments about all other Asian people but leaves the filipino people out of his rants.
My invitation for him to suck my dick is still open...
Dan, we all recognise a wanker when we see one even if you come back here with another user name.
As for me..why not just mind our own business?people keeps on focussing at the speck of sodas in their brother's eye,let's clean our's first...and just a piece of advise,please give it a try to attend Born Again or any other bible base church,there surely you'll meet a lot of possitive,sincere and loving people..I know because I met a lot TRUE Christian pinays in our church..
@Fuminori:
What is it about open discussion that you have a problem with...?
@k3fuminori is my husband's name..and yes,i am 100% pinay..
So who is more opportunistic, a 19 year old Filipina or a dirty 70 yr old man? Base from how I see it, it is both parties that took advantage of the situation; the old man wanted to find a young beauty which he couldn't find in his homeland, and a Filipina who wanted to taste a better life through marrying a rich dirty old man. Trust me, not all Filipinas who married an old man tasted a better life in fact some were being abused so it is also a gamble for a Pinay. I am a Filipino and most of my Pinoy friends say that Filipinas are just taking advantage of the dirty old men. However my American friends thought that its the Dirty old man taking advantage of the young lady through his money. So tell me, who is more opportunistic?
Why do I have a feeling that the author of this article is another Filipino? Shame..........
@Coconut: The moderator is Tan.
Tan, a gook that keep on blocking all my comment all along.
Now , block me again ,gook. i would not run out of name because you are forcing me to change it for you are blocking what i had to say to yoy, gook.
From K3
@tanfromaustralia I don't have a problem with anything,I am confident of myself and I do believe that what God think of me is MORE IMPORTANT than what other people do.I just thought i have to do my part as a filipina,me and my sisters in faith who are mostly pinays are far different from what you are saying about us...after I explain my side and you still think the same then I'd respect that..and i'll try to understand why you are so mean,and can't even give a little respect to others(this refers to everyone who posted their comments with lots of bad words against written against us).May God give you enlightenment and peace of mind..
Busy checking my comment,gook before posting them. You cannot handle the truth that all of you gook, chinks, flips and japs were no good. you all can suck my big dick as far as know. Whores.
you approve one of my comment just to justified that this site is not your but i can tell it is your site, gook. a lot of my comment did not got approved.
Ultra-ignoramous is actually Tan, the gook from Las Vegas. We got beaners, chinks,flips, japs and gook all over the U.S and also one in Las Vegas were the employment is too high. No wonder, this gook got a lot of time in the Internet. A lot of gooks actually move to Louisiana because of the crawfish. They taught it’s a miniature Fucking lobster.
From......K3
Fucking gook, flips, chinks, beaner and jap messing up with all the superior race. Gook said that he is married to an Australian woman is totally disgusting if it is true. Why marry a gook if she can find a white man, that why gook comments that he is married to an Australian it's fake.
To all philippines flips. stop messing around with foreigners that think with their dicks and not with their head. You are all gold diggers and that goes to all chinks,gooks and controlling japs. I know that men that were gooks,flips,chinks and japs were just all lazy and ugly but that does not give you whores the rights to take advantage of them. That is why I hate asians.
To top that off, there is a gook here claiming that he has a dick but actually, this is his site too because he kept on blocking what I got to say about gooks. They are nothing but lowlife son of a bitches.
From..... K3
@Coconut:Where is that gook? He ran out of something to say? he own this site that is why i find it disgusting that this site is being run by a gook instead of a white person. racist? Yes. I am a racist and proud of that.
Comment coming from the original......K3 that being blocked by the same gook (Ultra-ignoramous) that own this site.
i always had to change name for that gook can blocked the comments that he do not want to hear. I did made seven comments and only one got approved but he can say what he want to say and it will get approve right away and it look like as if he has the last word. That is the only way a gook can manipulate the conversation by deleting and not posting others comments.
I figure that out when he said that "Whatever, I'm not devoting any more attention to you".
That is the time I cannot response no more and my comments were being check by this gook moderator and will only post what he want to post. Fucking,gooks.
Thanks Donald87, Tan sounds Chinese, you know there are plenty of those names in the Philippines. Going back to this issue. I strongly disagree of the stereotyping of this article. I have seen plenty of American-Filipina family who are successful and happy. I have an American friend who fucked a Filipina, she got pregnant and then he left her. So, should we say that it's the fault of the Filipina? I knew that he was just goofing around to begin with. My point is it's both parties fault. Why would a dirty 70 year old man wanted to get a young lady? And he will expect to get one with no price? When foreigners go to the Philippines they act as if they are some hotshot in the eyes of the girls. And f**k they will use their green money to attract some whores and they do get whores. I just wanted to let everyone know that not all Filipinas are the same, whores are whores no matter where you go. Have I found white whores in the USA? YES! In the Philippines? YES! In Australia? YES! F**k they are all over not just in the Philippines. Another American left his family because of this whore. Hello, have you ever heard of the word "Karma"? What you did will come back at you.
@Tan why did you post this, what do you get after posting this? Are you one of those gooks K3 mentioned? Maybe you are one of those who moved to Louisiana because you thought the crawfish were mini lobsters? Lawyer my a**.
@K3
What Tan really wants to say is please stop insulting vietnamese, only filipinos and you will have his full support.
@Sadbutt don't try to deny it because it also happened to Vietnamese, Sad but true!
@Sadbutt don't try to deny it because it also happened to Vietnamese, Sad but true!
@Coconut: Tan is not from Australia. Australians do not talk in proper English and it's hard to understand them not like the people in UK when there were only change of accent and some specific words. They talk in Australian English, which is a mess.
Sorry coconut but my opinion is my opinion and no one can change it not even a gook like tan.
You are right that whores is everywhere but were more rampant in Asia like Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand just to name a few.
I hate the gooks more because they had kill 58,000 + Americans during the Vietnam War and now other countries including the U.S.A is letting them in? Lunatic!
@Donald, No worries man I have no question about you being racist. But hating us because of what had happened a long time ago is another issue. You hate gooks like me who is a Filipino because of killing 58,000+ Americans. Why, Americans did not kill anybody? How many Indians were killed by heartless American continent settlers to grab their lands? When an American dropped to the Indians a blanket carrying smallpox, the disease killed hundreds of people because they didn't have a cure. And you call yourselves humans. What about the nuclear testings in the Micronesian islands? How many people has cancer now because of your stupid nuclear testings, hungry for power? Isn't that the reason why you would allow Micronesians to migrate to the US without any difficulty? How many Japanese were killed when you bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the letter said that they have already surrendered. Tell me how many black people have the Americans killed because you were afraid that they will overpower the whites? How many innocents were killed in Afghanistan? Vietnam? Philippines? Cambodia? Can you count all of those? 58,000+ is not even enough to count. Americans have killed more!!! Don;t hate us because of what happened before. You may hate me more after this posting though.
Dickhead, this site is not moderated and not by me.
We all know you're the same wanker posting under numerous user names.
I'll bet @donald/@k3 or whatever he calls himself, doesn't realize nearly everything he owns, buys or eats either originates from or uses components originating from "gookland" (aka China, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia). Even Harley Davidson uses parts components made in China.
That tends to put things in the proper perspective, doesn't it...?
@Coconut
What I'm saying is..He is very feisty when it comes to insulting Filipinos.
He questions Filipinos why we are defending our countrymen.. It is very clear that we were just simply saying "not all are whores and gold diggers". We too are ashamed and angry with those kind of people. This thread should serve to help and warn and not to bash filipinos and generalize.
But what Tan and Objectivelyspeaking were obviously doing is run this thread, argue with people who defends or just saying not all filipinos are bad.
AND when people tries to point out that there are also Chinese, Vietnamese( and others) whores and gold diggers as well but we are not thinking they are all the same (unlike them). They defend them( OF COURSE..)and bash Filipinos again..and again..and again..
K3 seems to be giving Tan a taste of his own medicine. I told my husband about K3 hating all Asians especially gooks coz they killed 58,000+ Americans,, He just laughed.Well it's really funny..And K3 u know what really sucks? In America, there's no such thing as being racist when it comes to being racist to white people so feel free to insult and degrade Asians here and we will still continue defending our countrymen and other Asians as well..
To all who had bad experiences, share your stories here. So people will be aware, like marrying 3x younger than your age is really a bad idea.
@SadButTrue:
I will say it again for the millionth time for those whom are too stupid to understand: I am not saying that "all" are like that.
What I am saying is that this is a prevalent and common problem in your country because of your ingrained values.
You people need to rise beyond pimping and prostituting yourselves to the rest of the world.
@SadButTrue,
Just to be fair, would you also willingly admit that its a bad idea for the Filipina to seek out and willingly marry a foreigner 3x her age? It takes two willing parties to make contract.
@Halwick:
I know they have tried to shift the focus and blame back onto the men. They do so to disguise their moral culpability and hidden agenda.
Yes, there is a tendency for middle aged men to go to the Philippines to look for love, but the truth is that these men do not have to entice or coerce these women.
On the contrary, these women throw themselves at these men whom are twice and even thrice their age. These women do so in the hope of getting a ticket out of their shit hole country.
To suggest that most of these women are victims of these men is an absolute fallacy. These women know what they are doing and what they are getting into. They are not victims of circumstance.
The fact that a lot of these women resort to lying about themselves and their past suggests an ulterior motive to entice these men.
These women are not victims. They are con artists of the best kind.
@SadButTrue:
What I have a problem with is your denial at how prevalent the problem is. You don't seem to want to take notice of the high volume of men's personal stories, statistical data and the immigration laws and policies of Western countries.
These sources indicate a large scale problem. It is your problem, but you are intent on making it the rest of the world's problem.
The beef that I have does not stem from racism. The personal stories of men do not stem from racism. If they were truly racist, they never would have gotten involved with filipinas in the first place.
What is it about that explanation that is so fucking hard for you and your fellow people to grasp?
Our Ingrained Values? What do you know about our values? And what kind of values you are talking about? Are you trying to say that we were taught in school, brought up by our parents to be a bad person, to do bad things?...tsk,tsk...Tan review all your posts ok? Then tell me who is stupid who cannot understand what you are saying.
Mail order brides from Vietnam have you ever heard of that? So what kind of values do they teach these women in Vietnam?
"People need to rise beyond pimping and prostituting yourselves to the rest of the world"- TanfromAustralia
Damn..Who's denying what?? Did any of the Filipinos here denied that those kind of women exists? The best we can do is just to set a good example and let people be aware of those bad people
Listen, this topic is NOT about Vietnam. I am not fucking blindly defending a country where I was born. Stop shifting the discussion. This topic is not about whether which country is better or worse.
I know PLENTY about your ingrained values. I dealt with your women for 6 years as part of my work.
The values are as follows:
1. Marry for economic enhancement;
2. Marry for migration;
3. Marry as a means to financially support extended family;
4. The need to scam foreign men into marriage arises out of necessity (see points 1, 2 and 3 above);
5. Take the quickest and easiest path out of poverty and into wealth;
6. Why work when you can rely on other people financially;
7. Why should your parents, siblings, cousins, neighbours, their dog and budgie need to work for a living when your foreign husband is capable of working 3 jobs and sleep 3 hours per night to financially support all of them;
8. Your brother wanting the money to build a 5 bedroom house with a pool is a "financial crisis" that your foreign husband must resolve;
9. Your sister wanting to buy a new car is a "necessity" that your foreign husband must meet; and
10. As for filipino men, it is perfectly to pimp out their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters to foreign men as long as the bills get paid.
@Halwick
Oh yeah..sorry about that..Young ones don't marry 3x your age and don't be such a disgrace that make other nations think that we are all the same.
You do not deny that those kind of women exist, but you deny how prevalent and common the problem is in your country.
Don't pretend you do not understand my position because I have made it crystal clear.
I am fucking sick and tired of playing the same word games with you people.
@SadButTrue:
Your latest comment to Halwick is pure bullshit.
When I worked as an immigration lawyer, the cases I handled featured 20 year old filipinas marrying 60 year old men. It was very common for this huge gap in age. Actually, it was less common for the man and the women to be about the same age.
These young women don't mind marrying men much older than their fathers because they want a visa to get out.
I can't imagine having to suck 60 year old cock and pretending to enjoy it for the sake of a visa, can anyone?!
you're a funny lawyer.. Where did you get that? I never heard any of that from my parents and not even taught in our school and not even I teach my daughter those values u were saying.. Sorry Tan but If you are really a lawyer and well educated person you should know better than that.
@SadButTrue,
Why are there many 19 and early 20s Filipinas from Cebu, Manila, and Davao signing up to matchmaking agencies like "A Foreign Affair" seeking older foreign men up to age 70? They're there...look it up. What are their motives? And if they are truly interested in older men because they are "wise, mature and nurturing", why are they seeking older foreign men instead of older Pinoys?
Saying to marry 3x younger/older their age is not advisable is bullshit eh? Anyways, thanks for telling stories about those kind of Filipino women. Such a disgrace it is..
tanfromyass,,you always say 6 yrsof experience...man 6 yrs is not good enough...i may say 50 yrs of experience?/ will be better,so they will believe in you..lawyers dont act .like you..i dont think you are a lawyer....you act like a gook.im sick and tired of ur 6 yrs experience...how many 6 yrs experience is still going to be written on this thread??huh..
In case you didn't notice, I said "MANY" which does NOT explicitly or implicitly mean "ALL".
@Halwick
Sorry but I cannot speak for them, I don't know their reasons and what are their motives. I wish I could help you with that one. And If ever I come across a person who is wise, mature and nurturing who signed up in matchmaking agency, I will interview her and I will update you.
@Halwick:
And when these young girls register on those dating websites, they state in their profile that "age does not matter".
That is quite true from a legal position, especially if the aim is to obtain a visa and financial support.
These girls don't want to limit their prospects, which is why "age does not matter".
@SadButTrue:
Who gives a shit if you can't speak for them.
They are there if you look.
And why would you have to strain to find a "wise" and "mature" woman to interview when there are large numbers of young girls on such websites who advertise that "age does not matter" to them? Why not interview those girls to find out their motivations? They swarm those sites in huge numbers like a flock of flies swarm to horseshit.
@Halwick:Harley Davidson is made in the U.S unless you want to mixed some asian junk on it, shithead. Do you think,I will put a parts in my Harley that is made by chinks,gooks,flips and japs? I only used American made parts on my Harley Davidson.
You got to be a gook too,halwick.
Would you blocked me again,gook? A gook lawyer for the dog gook clients.
Dan, you coming back under numerous user names is getting quite ridiculous.
At least use your original name so we can all recognise you...
And we all know that you are not really racist against Asian people. That would mean that you despise half of yourself. If I were you, I would despise ALL of myself.
Lol!
ooooh..Very feisty! Who gives a shit to a sick man like you?(oh Shit I'm replying, and that makes me a sick person too lol)... As a result of being an immigration lawyer for 6 years tsk,tsk.. Such a waste going through all that hardcore studying and passing the bar and will just end up mentally ill.. Don't forget to take your medicine ok??
@SadButTrue:
I have never been called "feisty" before, although I have been called "gentle" and "timid" very often.
This is the first time? Make a wish...Well, feisty might be first but Sick man and mentally ill..lol (Damn!Did it again)
This site is definitely being run by gooks and not by a white person.
keep on blocking,gooks.
@SadButTrue:
Stop trying to compliment/flatter me.
I'll be back,chinks,jap,flips and gooks.I'm not done with you all, whores.
@"rick":
Yeah, I guess it must be.
That is why dickhead trolls like you still swarm this board when you add absolutely nothing intelligent to the debate at hand.
Gook moderator thinks he can block me anytime he wants to. I can change my name from the original K3.
Dan, it amazes me how well you can reinvent yourself on this board. I guess it is the external manifestation of a twisted, fragmented personality.
And I am not the moderator of this board. If I was, I would have banned your punk arse a long time ago.
@rick
Gook is a term used by Americans to refer to non-Americans right? SO what are you trying to say about non-Americans running this thread?
you calling me rick now,gook? i'm the original K3 that you kept on blocking,gook.
Don't be an idiot.
Nobody is "running this thread". We are all participants. Just because nobody has been able to put any pro-filipina argument forward which is intelligent and makes any sense does not mean that anybody is dominating this discussion.
This entire thread is both long and old with age. Despite reaching this point (and being an intelligent person myself), the only argument you filipino people have made is "not all".
What the fuck does that mean when it comes to quantification? Do copious internet websites, countless personal stories of men and the laws and immigration of Western countries still cannot permeat through your ignorance of this filipino cultural phenomenon?
You need to stop blindly defending this issue arising out of a kneejerk reaction to defending your culture. You would expect that a Muslim person would not defend against terrorism, wouldn't you?
Take some responsibility and collectively fix up the shit pile known as the Philippines. If China can fix itself up, so can you.
now you think youre intelligent???c`mon...where is that intelligent ???damn tanfromyass????you are one of the idiots here.......
If you abide by this, you eliminate 95% of all online dating scams!
No matter what the tragic, or 'sob' story you are told, NEVER SEND MONEY to somebody you have not met IN PERSON!
(Not on chat, not on the phone...breathing and standing in front of you....)
GOOD people will not ask a stranger for money.
If a lady is really interested in you, she will not ask you for money.
Many people in lesser developed countries think people in more affluent countries are 'fair game', and it's OK to take money from them.
Don't send money!
SCAMMERS count on you to send money without ever meeting them. They will promise 'anything', and say 'anything'. They will use every trick in the book.
Don't send money!
Many of these 'poor' people have money to spend HOURS online, chatting, asking many men for money. You do not know how many chat ID's they have, and they are often 'hidden'.
They make a living at this, and are not sick, starving, or need money for school. Don't send money!
What the hell are you talking about?!
This article is not about internet scammers. This article is about filipinas whom misrepresent themselves to foreign men whom they marry for economic and migration reasons.
These anti-asians/pinays aren't deserving of any of our time fellow pinoys..they surely don't have friend/friends to talk to so all they can do is pick up an argument(through commenting on topics they find interesting)because they seek some attention and so they can release all their bitterness and narrow-mindedness..@sadbuttrue beter not to reply and ignore all these losers especially this Tan..goodness he claims to be an intelligent but his words are clear proofs of his being a loser idiot...
@Tan
Many of the cases you've quoted stem from internet scams.
@Tan
your quote 2 days ago
"This is a fucking global issue. It is not solely created and perpetuated by your women, but your women are major contributors to this phenomenon. And yes, it is a fucking huge phenomenon when you consider the extremely high volumes of spouse visa applications coming from your country and the fact that it is the most popular hobby of your young women to spend time in internet cafes trying to hook up with foreign men.
That is why if I google the terms "filipino internet scam" a large number of results show up. If I performed a search for "Australian internet scammers", few results appear."
Your quote today;
"TanfromAustralia 35 minutes ago
What the hell are you talking about?!
This article is not about internet scammers. This article is about filipinas whom misrepresent themselves to foreign men whom they marry for economic and migration reasons."
DONT YOU EVER GIVE SUCH BULLSHIT STATEMENT FROM US (FILIPINA WOMEN)........................... YOUR SUCH AN IDIOT DOING THAT THING.................... YOU'LL NOT ABLE TO JUDGE A PERSON UNTIL YOU NEVER BE ON THAT SITUATION........................ WERE NOT"WHAT YOU THINK OF"...........................
hello!
Tan, the moderator gook also (Ultra-Ignoramous) is from Las Vegas.
He approved one of the comments i posted while disapproving the other eight comment that i made. "hello" got approved after being review by the moderator but then the other eight had been disapproved. Stinky little gook.
Later,gooks.....Got to play basketball and go to the gym.
so much name calling and swearing on this board.. it's sad how this board turned into this...
@moneycantbuymelove:
The global issue I was referring to was filipinas marrying foreign men for economic and migration reasons.
The internet scam is another problem.
Filipino people are prone to scam in many ways.
@Tan
It's really not up to you what others say here. You are just another poster on this hub.
We all know your views, you've tried to ram them down our throats enough! Some agree, some disagree. We all have that right.
Any, tiny, respect i may have had for anything you've written here, would have been lost, due to your abusive manner. If anything, your attacks will make people more defensive of those you are against.
I hope others will continue to post their experiences good and bad here, and that people from all walks of life and all nationalities will attempt to give, unbiased and constructive advice and support.
@moneycantbuymelove:
I am not telling people what they can or cannot say here, but why divert attention away from the core issue of this topic? Is it to disguise the real issue?
There are other boards to discuss other issues. At least have the decency not to hijack discussion.
You can talk about any thing you want, but don't address me or expect a response from me if you post about things unrelated to this article.
I don't give a fuck what you think of me. As if I would lose sleep over it.
@Tan. You wrote;
"You can talk about any thing you want, but don't address me or expect a response from me if you post about things unrelated to this article."
That would suit me well. It's a deal!
@moneycantbuymelove:
It's not like you ever needed anyone's permission.
@Jean:
I am entitled to make those statements because I have dealt directly with a large number of filipinas for a very long time.
Your suggestion that I don't understand them or their motivation is utterly ridiculous.
You say that I should not judge until I have been in the same situation, but what does that mean?
I came from a very poor family background and I know how it feels like to worry about having enough food to eat. I understand the feeling of financial desperation.
I chose to get a good education and work hard as a means to improve my financial situation. I did not have to marry a rich person or exploit anyone to do it.
There are Middle Eastern women whom also face extreme poverty and you don't see them resorting to prostitution to survive. Their pride is worth much more.
A person who resorts to prostitution does not have much talent or skill. It does not take much talent to lie on a bed and open your legs or sucking on a man's penis.
That is the odd thing I found about filipino culture. For a culture which has given the world pimps, prostitutes and scammers, I never really understood why they have such an inflated opinion of their self-worth as a group of people, to the extent that it orders on conceit and narcissism.
Marrying into wealth per se means that you have latched onto someone with money, it does not mean that you had the capability to achieve it on your own. I never understood why filipinas measure this as a sign of their own success. It means that as a prostitute, they scored a wealthier client for the long-term.
GET A LIFE
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
THE TRUTH HURTS. DOESN'T IT?
http://queenfuckup.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/singap
"hundreds of Vietnamese prostitutes prancing up and down the street and on the chair I had previously sat on, a girl was seated (obviously Queen of the whores) showing off her crotch. Classy."
Factbook on Global Sexual Exploitation -Vietnam
http://forum.cityxguide.com/topic/mind-of-a-vietna
"You had to see this one coming, surprised nobody started this thread earlier. My experiences with most of these Hos have been bad (see my posts). My friends and various other people told me to beware. As soon as I mentioned vietnamese women, all I hear is they gold diggers, liars, back stabbers, etc. Etc. Just curious as to what other peoples take on them are, whether it be good or bad."
YOUR CULTURE MUST BE THE GREATEST
Could you also post up similar articles about Russia and Thailand?
WHY DON'T YOU?
I'm trying to stay on track with the discussion of this topic. Check the article at the top to remind yourself.
Are you going to introduce the issue of terrorism into this debate as well?
I don't claim to argue that the country where I was born is better or worse than any other country. It has its strengths and weaknesses, but I don't want to get into the "my country is better than yours" argument.
I would never defend against the truth.
And neither should you.
Filipino culture is a big problem because most of you cannot accept that you have to get a real job as an alternative to pimping, prostitution and hustling.
THE TRUTH HURTS. DOESN'T IT?
GREAT CULTURE MY FRIEND
Yeah, Vietnamese culture is not that bad, considering that the majority of my people are highly educated and end up in professions like doctors, lawyers or academics.
What are the top 3 most popular "professions" in the Philippines? Hustler, prostitute, pimp and internet scammer (the part-time job that most young girls have)...
SAYS WHO? YOU?
A DELUSIONAL LAWYER FROM VIETNAM?
No, says the people who are what they say they are.
Prostitution does exist everywhere in the world.
But in the Philippines, prostitution is a national profession.
U PASSED AS A LAWYER IN VIETNAM?
"But in the Philippines, prostitution is a national profession" by TAN
CHECK THIS OUT DELUSIONAL VIETNAMESE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Vietn
"Prostitution in Vietnam is illegal, although it is estimated that between 30,000 and 300,000 people in the country are prostitutes. Another estimate puts the number between 20,000 and 70,000 individuals"
IS THIS TRUE?
Who cares about Vietnam? I don't...
Why don't you quote figures for the Philippines? You can include women who marry for economic and migration reasons as well. That makes it about 95% of your women, doesn't it?
LOL LIKE VIETNAM???
Prostitution is not limited to adults and women.In Ho Chi Minh City, many of the prostitutes are under eighteen years of age, some forced into the trade because of economic needs. The prostitutes are both girls and boys (called Trai bao ("covered boy") and trai g?i ("call boy")). Additionally, children are trafficked due for the need for prostitution in other countries. One non-governmental organization estimates that the average age of trafficked girls is between 15 and 17, although the average age of girls trafficked to Cambodia is estimated to be much lower.
No, the Philippines, the capital whore country of the world. Just because your women don't see themselves as whores by thinking they are marrying themselves to a better life does not mean they aren't selling themselves. If filipino men weren't so metaphorically dickless, the women would have married domestically.
BUT THE THING IS YOUR CREDIBILITY KINDA SUCK.
CAN'T TRUST SOMEONE WHO IS DELUSIONAL AND WEARS A STRAIGHT JACKET.
TOO MUCH HATE MY FRIEND. SHIT HAPPENS
THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING ME THOUGH.
If you went to that same wikipedia website and typed in the search terms 'Prostitution in Philippines', the statistics reveal that there are 800,000 prostitutes in the Philippines, almost more than double the figures you quoted for Vietnam.
Those figures for the Philippines only pertain to the street prostitutes and bar girls, not to the other 90% of your women whom are CULTURAL prostitutes.
It is like saying that for the majority, being a filipina women almost always equates to being a prostitute by culture. What I mean is that the concept of whoring is so deeply ingrained in your culture that you don't even know you are doing it.
Let me illustrate by an example: a filipino women meets a much older, unattractive but wealthy Western man whom she considers marrying but whom she does not love.
From the application of the filipino view point, she marries out of her perceived social necessity and out of her obligation to support her extended family.
When looked at from the Western perspective, that same woman is a cultural prostitute. She sold herself through a sham marriage for an external benefit.
Which perspective is right and which is wrong? Is the glass half full or half empty?
I don't know what is it precisely that you people are so hellbent on defending? Are you arguing that it is culturally accepted that you approach marriage that way and that we shouldn't construe it as prostitution?
If anything, I have more respect for the prostitutes who work on the streets of Manila because they are less devious and hypocritical than the majority of your women, whom act like they are superior despite having to suck 60 year old cock and end up married to that same client.
Bar girls and street prostitutes at least make and spend their own money, not having to rely on a foreign husband to give them money.
this is n0t true........ d naman p0 cgur0 lahat ng Filipina.....
right????
this is n0t true........ d naman p0 cgur0 lahat ng Filipina.....
right????
a gook will always be a gook wherever you are.
you can be a gook moderator but will still be a gook from the inside and out.
Quoting statistics and information selectively and out of context proves how dishonest filipino people tend to be.
Before you quote the number of prostitution in any other country, at least make sure the numbers in your own country are lower.
But they are higher, aren't they? Because prostitution is a cultural tradition in your country. Are you attempting to defend your own culture to the world or trying to assert you are not prostitutes?
@GET A LIFE, watch what you said in this site for a gook is running this site. You will be banned from posting your opinion. All asians were whores. You see a lot of them around the world.
If anyone was going to get barred, why would a dickhead like you still be posting on here?
I have sat here and read a lot of good things about Filipinas, but mostly bad things here. I am an American that has been living in the Philippines for 2 yrs here and have heard of a lot of stories, good and bad. From both parties, foreigners and Filipinas.
What I would suggest is that you find out about her background before you get involved with a girl here, her family, her education, if shes working.unless you want to take your chances and may end up being scammed. Yes there are ladies here who are looking for cash and green cards. I have heard also while getting visas taking up to 18 months here, but that is the extreme and that is because they had to redo there visas a few times, or paperwork was not complete.
If you don't want to be scammed, I would suggest that they look for ladies with a solid education and has there own jobs. Most will be ashamed to ask for money because they where raised properly, with good morals and upbringing, and most don't need the money.
Don't send any money unless you meet them and there families, NO MATTER WHAT. If you refuse to be scammed you wont be scammed. Think with the big head and not the little head.
OHHH and to the guys who has have a serious problem with Filipinas, and Asians in general. Go find a blog with the topics you really like and try to find nice things to say about something. Life is to short to hate all the time.
It smell like gooks in here.
@GET A LIFE: Sorry if it takes me a while to be back for i need a face-mask for this forum stinks with the smell of gooks. I guess you got barred too for you cannot place any of your opinion about these gooks who runs this forum. I check that site that you just gave this gook and sure enough, all you stated are facts. Check the Demographics of Australia too and you would not see Vietnamese for they are ashamed to be one, so they place their race as Chinese. There is one that is close enough but spell it wrong, Greek, instead of Gooks. How can that be that there are no gooks in Demographics of Australia, if the Vietnamese Population in Australia 159,848 (Vietnam-born) and 173,663 (Vietnamese ancestry)?
I cannot stand the smell, got to go. Will be back, gooks. Do me a favor. block me, please!
@samo66
Nice post :)
For TanfromAustralia or should I say TanfromVietnam
you talk as if theres nothing going on from where you've come from....Read the article below and Eat Sh!t.
Selling children into prostitution abroad is rising in southern Vietnam. ("Vietnam Child Sex Trade Rising," Associated Press, 24 April 1998)
Thousands of Vietnamese women are trafficked through the Vietnam-China border by illegal organizers who take them to Cambodia and from there to neighboring countries for prostitution purposes. Vietnamese pimps pretend to court village girls to bring them to the city, and then sell them to brothels. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)
Vietnamese traffickers sell hundreds of women and children each year in Europe, China, Cambodia and Macau, for prostitution and arranged marriages. ("EU wants more cooperation with Vietnam to end trafficking women, drugs," AFP, 27 February 1998)
Police uncovered a Taiwanese trafficking ring and arrested Lee Min Long, as he left for Taiwan with a suitcase packed with pictures and personal documents of 400 Vietnamese women. According to the police, from 1993 to 1998, Long traveled 23 times to Vietnam to organize a network selling Vietnamese women to Taiwan. Through local accomplices working at karaoke bars, restaurants and hotels, Long found young girls, generally from the countryside, and lured them with the prospect of marriage to a wealthy Taiwanese businessman. ("Women trade to Taiwan cracked down," HURINet - The Human Rights Information Network, 15 July 1998)
Many of the prostituted women and children in Cambodia are from Vietnam. (Chris Seper, "Police Sweeps Help Clean Up Child Prostitution," Christian Science Monitor, 8 January 1998)
Prostituted girls, most of them aged 15 to18 years of age, are found in the Svay Pak red-light district of Cambodia. Many girls are much younger. Most of them are smuggled in from Vietnam and all are bound by contracts, which last from six months to over a year. Svay Pak has the largest number of prostituted Vietnamese girls. ("The Street of Little Flowers," rewritten from 'Children of the Dust,' by MIKEL FLAMM and NGO KIM CUC, Bangkok Post, 23 February 1997)
Unofficial estimates say that there are as many as 15,000 prostituted persons in Phnom Penh, and that up to 35% of them have been smuggled into Cambodia from China or Vietman, mostly from the southwestern provinces of Vietnam (Long An, An Giang, Song Be, Kien Giang, Dong Thap, Can Tho and Ho Chi Minh City). Brothel owners pay traffickers from US$350 to $450 (8,750 to 11,250 baht) for each attractive Vietnamese virgin 16 years or younger. Non-virgins and those considered less beautiful are sold from $150 to $170 each (3,750 to 4,250 baht). ("Children of the dust," rewritten from 'Children of the Dust,' by MIKEL FLAMM and NGO KIM CUC, Bangkok Post, 23 February 1997)
One third of 55,000 prostitutes in Cambodia are under 18 and most are Vietnamese. (World Human Rights Organization and UNICEF, "Vietnam Child Sex Trade Rising," Associated Press, 24 April 1998)
Traffickers have admitted to selling women and children for US$250-300 each. (Border Guard Leiutenant Colonel Nguyen Thanh Hoa, "Vietnam Child Sex Trade Rising," Associated Press, 24 April 1998)
@samo66:
Doing background checks pertaining to family and education do not safeguard against being scammed.
An educated filipina can still disguise her true motivation for marriage and it will be impossible to ascertain unless the man is truly psychic. And at most, it will come down to a gut instinct in the absence of any other corroborative evidence.
It is better not to jump into a tank full of sharks. Whilst there may be other fish in that tank that are harmless, the potential to be eaten and the odds of getting attacked are far too great.
damned......This forum still smell like gooks.
Damned Haole why don't you google "white guilt" and learn it.
You had to see this one coming, surprised nobody started this thread earlier. My experiences with most of these Hos have been bad. My friends and various other people told me to beware. As soon as I mentioned vietnamese women, all I hear is they gold diggers, liars, back stabbers, etc. Etc. She said "Me so hony, me so? horny... 5 doll-a me sucky you long time!"
Vietnam nasty hoes. why u want to get laid in Vietnam.....there a lot of AIDS there!!!Nasty....America got better pussy!!!!
what does VD mean? Vietnamese Disease XDD and they are WMG which stand for "Worldwide Money Grubbers." :P
Tired of the "which country has more whores" argument perpetuated by one dickhead.
Will no longer respond to any more posts about Vietnam.
Tired of the "which country has more whores" argument perpetuated by one dickhead.
Will no longer respond to any more posts about Vietnam.
stinks in here again. Smell like gooks again.
No gooks in Australia?
Ohh that's why many American man lose their money because of their american wife. Just a few days they got married she filed for divorced. My cousin she married an American man and this man is happy with her. She never asked for a dime or anything. He had american ex's before but all are bi*****. He had a daughter with this girl and every month he gave a part for the little girl and she doesn't use the money for the little girl but for the casino. Now she lived in a trailer with her new boyfriend and I don't know if he knows that her little girl is living in a trailer truck. My cousin wants the child of her husband with her but not to the mom. My cousin can take care of her better than this American woman. Not all Filipina's are like that. It is not the fault of the girl either. You must to meet the girl, know her better, tell her everything. Don't try to sound like a rich dude and after you will cry because your pocket is empty.
I agree to the French man. I am married to a french man also and I didn't marry him for the money or to be able to go to France. My father is rich he is a Kuwaiti business man and never my mom asked money from him nor do I. Stop generalizing because not all woman are like that.
Tan get a life and get laid. You are a sore looser. National profession? Guess what poor people in the Philippines has a Bachelors degree, Masteral and Doctoral. They are poor but never used anyone. Don't generalized everybody because many people work their ass off to feed their family and send their children to a good school. They sell vegestables and fish in the market. They wake up at 2 am to start their job and prepare food for the family. Some people do some baby sitting, laudry or household jobs just to earn a decent money. Get a life dude and get laid I guess thats what you need at this moment. Its not the fault of the Filipina woman that you are alone and boring.
Asking your husband for money to send to your brother is not regarded as a profession. It just means you are still a whore in a marriage...
a gook moderator will always be a gook inside and out.
TAN FROM AUSTRALIA YOU NEED TO GET LAID. Im pretty sure you are an old lonely pig. You got some issues dude. Not all MEN AND WOMAN ARE GOOD.
Not everyone is perfect since we have different thumbmarks.
Well Viet girl ain't better huh.
I guess your grandmom suck some American D****s during the vietnam war.
Lol!
It must have just been Vietnamese d*** then, because she didn't need a visa or financial support.
It is quite amusing to see filipina women begging their foreign husbands for money and yet regard it as "employment income".
It is so if they had to suck 60 year old cock and pretend to like it.
I can't imagine what it would feel like for a 20 year old filipina to have sex with a 60 year old man.
But then someone has to take a job cleaning toilets and sewers, don't they?
@Tan I bet your grandma suck some dead Amercian's dicks during the vietnam war. There's no way she can get visa or financial support with that.
Tan is looking for an ideal lady.
a perfect lady for him:
One that does not smoke.
One that does not drink.
One that does not gamble.
One that does not cheat.
One that does not talk back.
One that does not divorce their husband.
and the very last one.
ONE THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
Nobody is perfect.
Call that to your sister or fellow Viet girl.
So your the 60 years old man. Ohh TAN why hate.
Just admit you are a lonely man. A girl Asian or white can't support your appearance either your mentality
a gook will always be a gook, ralph. He do not deserve a lady. He deserve another gook.
Tan I'll donate 200 dollars for you so you can screw a girl tonight. I guess thats enough or maybe not. I bet she will demand more cause you are saggy.
Opppps
I am a very happy man,actually.
Just because I am smart enough never to have been involved with a pinay doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't share my views about the filipino people.
Filipino people can't even seem to escape the whore mentality even when they break free of their shit hole country...
You call yourself happy like that? Dude are you using drugs??
If you are happy with your life you are not in this site being a racist.
Why is stating the truth about how the world feels about filipinas "racist"?
@lonelytan: This gook is also the moderator on this forum. He just got tired of locking me out. I wonder too what this gook look like. A gook will always look like a gook. no female will dare mess with an ugly stinky gook.
Yawn...
Well for you it is only the Pinay who is a whore or whatnot but the other Nationality ain't. For you what is that ain't that racism.
@carl: thats why some of my post didn't appear.
@lonelytan: I figure that out that he is the gook moderator but do not want to keep on blocking me for it will blow his disguise that he is the gook running this forum. You do not need to be smart to figure that out.The gook is feeling sleepy.
Yeah, I am getting sleepy because you are the same wanker who keeps saying the same things over and over again.
Whores who are street whores comes from all nationalities but the filipino people have perfected the concept of the cultural whore right down to an artform.
@lonelytan: Check this out.
No gooks in Australia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Austr
The gooks were so ashamed of their ancestor that they consider themselves Chinese. They have one Ethnic group that they might have spell it wrong. It was Greek instead of Gooks.
@Carl sleepy? maybe he drank a filthy water that came from his country and died.
God willing :D
Check out the wikipedia website that says there are 800,000 street whores in the Philippines.
I guess if the figures for cultural whore were to be included as well, then that would be about 95% of the female population of the Philippines, even the ones who "made it" by marrying a foreign husband...
gooks drinks their own urine, filthy bastards.
Vietnamese woman likes foreign man ?
My brother's friend has a vietnamese girlfriend, and he also has a family.
Though, she knows he has a wife but she didn't want to leave him.
Saw this in a forum
Vietnamese woman likes foreign man ?
He has been sending money to her regularly, because he thinks she is poor and wants to help her.
I heard that many vietnamese woman (especially those are poor) like to know foreign boyfriend to get them out from poverty, is that true ? Even though, the man maybe married , they'll still cling on them.
Link
http://community.vdict.com/showthread.php?t=1288
Cultural whore, here's the proof sicko
Remember that you don't see as many Australians wanting to get into the Philippines as there are filipinos trying to get into Australia.
Let's not mistake who is actually sucking on whose cock...
Dude it is way easier to enter Australia compared to USA. Stop acting like you know everything. Your research aint enough.
Andrew3
Ive just had the experience where i planned to marry a vietnamese girl,,but she in turn asked me to do a false marraige (lap gia dinh gia) Im australian,,also her boss asked me too,, whats crazy is is that is how she came into the country,, it breaks my heart to be decieved in this way,,ive since seperated from her
Paddy
I buy your story because Australia is known for its lax on immigration laws.
You know why vietnamese woman likes foreigners? Because of their good looks, light skin and they want to mixed so their offspring will have good features away from looking like a gook.
You described the filipina mindset...that is why filipinos are the second highest group to marry interracially.
...and you know nothing about my country's immigration laws.
Your country? It aint your country. First of all your english aint like aussie English. I know a man who is Australian and he has a property in the Philippines.
You are a gook aint australian Kay
I am going to ask this question because I am really curious:
Is anybody who has posted in this thread by any chance running a filipina/Western men's dating website?
Please be honest...
First of all I've known lotsa folks down under mate.
Before you knock someone look at your face in the mirror first
Source: Australian Bureau of Statistics (residents who were born outside Australia)
Country of Birth Estimated Resident Population
United Kingdom 1,153,264
New Zealand 476,719
Italy 220,469
People's Republic of China 203,143
Vietnam 180,352
India 153,579
Philippines 135,619
Greece 125,849
South Africa 118,816
Germany 114,921
Malaysia 103,947
Netherlands 86,950
Lebanon 86,599
Hong Kong (SAR of China) 76,303
Sri Lanka 70,908
Serbia and Montenegro 68,879
Indonesia 67,952
@TanfromVietnam, another excerpt from a Vietnamese guy himself posted on the internet. READ the first sentence of the second paragraph of what he said.
As a Vietnamese man, I always protest Vietnamese girls marrying foreign men. The fundamental solution is creating jobs for rural women so they can have stable sources of income and can live in their homeland. If that’s not done, this situation will persist forever, even though the law forbids it. I hope the state can solve the fundamental problem. (Duong Phan)
I’m sad. Many girls have not cared about their honor just because of money. Even sadder, Vietnamese law is too loose. (Bui Tan Man)http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/special-report/158
I like my reflection just fine.
Lol!
http://talk.onevietnam.org/vietnamese-women-marry-
As a foreigner living in Vietnam for 5 years, and (of course) still single... although I had many GF and a few proposals to marry. I am mid 40's, fit, and well educated.
I agree with the reasons given, except the last reason. Vietnamese woman marry a foreigner for true love??? You were joking, right?
I have met many Vietnamese, so sweet and beautiful...even call me handsome (when I get my salary)..hahaha. Of course its a trap so they can escape Vietnam and make lots of $money$ to send back to their parents...be the hero and gain face in the eyes of ALL the locals. So these women marry a foreigner/VKieu to "USE" them to pay for ALL their expenses, buy a house, motorbike... and finally get them to another country. Once they "milked" their husband dry, and their "dream" is accomplished...then its BYE BYE to the foreigner husband
"I am Ah Australian moved to Vietnam to be with my girl friend whom I have met when I was on vacation , during my two weeks vacation we stayed together had a wonderful time we had good sex , but when I moved to Vietnam and settled down there comes the problems, chatting on the phone all day long, out with her girl friends does not feel having sex, untidy house, does not show her affection , i do not knowi if she still love me me or not and when I ask i get that Vietnamese girl dont like sex very much, Vietnamese girl culture do show their feelings like kissing, or hugging , I HAD ENOUGH AND BACKED MY BAGS AND HEADED HOME, if any one had a better luck or think otherwise feel free to e mail me zakimranov@yahoo.com"
Dan, the truth only hurts YOU so much because it is true...
...pretending to be a "racist" and bringing up Vietnam constantly won't make it all go away.
Nor will it negate the false premise upon which your entire life is based.
Dan, I know you are not really racist against Asian people because you are 1/2 Asian. Your own mother must be a "gook" too then.
Bet ya $ucked a c0ck too to be TanfromAustralia
The filipino people are too hypocritical and narcisstic to consider that they are Asian people.
Despite that, them and their shit infested country represents the worst about Asia....
where do you guys meet these girls? online alone? hmm... maybe you can speak of specifications and limitations and not generalizations? because the good and educated ones doesn't have time to mingle with divorced guys wherever they are in the world. i also know foreign guys who rely much on a hardworking filipina for income. haha...
quality meets quality. okay?
smell like gooks in this forum again.
This thread is not about what you think it is.
It's about how Tan sees Filipinos and the Philippines
Nobody is allowed to argue with HIS Truth. Otherwise, you are stupid
He even came up with 10 ingrained values of Filipinos because he worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 years and met a lot of filipino women.
And in 6 years all the filipinas he met were all whores and gold diggers. So does he have the right to say that:
90% of filipino women are cultural prostitutes
Prostitution is Philippines' national profession
AND
"The filipino people are too hypocritical and narcisstic to consider that they are Asian people.
Despite that, them and their shit infested country represents the worst about Asia...."
Actually, this thread is not merely about what I think about filipinas, but about how a wide range of people actually think about them.
And yes, my experience as an immigration lawyer enabled me to interact with a diverse group of filipinas, not just one type.
The majority of them are whores at least in the way they think and approach life and marriage, not because they sold their bodies on the street.
Seriously, if I could eliminate these "Uglipay predators" (ugly pinays) in my country I would. They're the ones who ruins the reputation of every filipinas including the good and decent ones. One also ruined my family for money, and my dad is not even a foreigner.
@UnflippingFLIPS Nice post
Gook is talking to himself as Stone and UnflippingFLIPS. I can sense it for it all smell like the same gook.
tanfromaus and stone are the same person....i know....idiot.....lawyer...
AND ALL CHINESE KNOW KUNG FU
I am sorry to disappoint you, but who is gook? I just stumbled on these page while looking for ways to terminate my uglipay madrasta.
@UnflippingFLIPS Carl is just confused.
Dan, it is obvious that you are the wanker pretending to be other people.
It's not like I have to pretend to be other people to voice the same issues about filipinas.
Pretty much the entire world feels the same way, unless you think I am the only person on Earth who feels this way...
Carl is just confused and Tan seems you are too.
And Tan just speak for yourself and don't drag the entire world.
But that is the point I am trying to make: I am speaking for myself.
If you read the majority of posts in this thread and search other internet resources, it seems like the rest of the world shares the same views, too...
...for the most part, the only people whom seem to disagree are the filipino posters themselves.
I do thank from the bottom of my heart these stupid foreigners whos been taking a lot of uglipays out of my country. Take them out of here, We don't want them either.
@Unflip.. The hate comes from what you've experienced and still experiencing I guess. We all hate home wreckers.
@Tan THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU POSTED THAT ARE VERY HARSH AND INSULTING
"90% of filipino women are cultural prostitutes"
"Prostitution is Philippines' national profession"
AND
"The filipino people are too hypocritical and narcisstic to consider that they are Asian people.
Despite that, them and their shit infested country represents the worst about Asia...."
"I know PLENTY about your ingrained values. I dealt with your women for 6 years as part of my work.
The values are as follows:
1. Marry for economic enhancement;
2. Marry for migration;
3. Marry as a means to financially support extended family;
4. The need to scam foreign men into marriage arises out of necessity (see points 1, 2 and 3 above);
5. Take the quickest and easiest path out of poverty and into wealth;
6. Why work when you can rely on other people financially;
7. Why should your parents, siblings, cousins, neighbours, their dog and budgie need to work for a living when your foreign husband is capable of working 3 jobs and sleep 3 hours per night to financially support all of them;
8. Your brother wanting the money to build a 5 bedroom house with a pool is a "financial crisis" that your foreign husband must resolve;
9. Your sister wanting to buy a new car is a "necessity" that your foreign husband must meet; and
10. As for filipino men, it is perfectly to pimp out their mothers, wives, sisters and daughters to foreign men as long as the bills get paid."
BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THOSE WOMEN YOU HAVE MET. Then there's nothing to argue about.
Don't generalize and Don't insult the whole nation.
@Stone:
The truth is what it is.
Those cultural values were observed by me during 6 years of experience.
The real beef that I have is that those values are so deeply ingrained that the filipino people cannot take a step back, observe them and admit to them.
The filipino people on the large have failed their own country. They have sold out their country and each other, which is why the majority of them are obsessed with emigration.
I have never encountered such a group of people whom are so dishonest and narcisstic. They don't care that they are destroying other people's lives.
I think that the filipino posters in this thread are so quick to jump to defence because they find the truth hard to accept.
@Tan your quote;
"If you read the majority of posts in this thread and search other internet resources, it seems like the rest of the world shares the same views, too...
...for the most part, the only people whom seem to disagree are the filipino posters themselves."
If this is what the rest of the world believed, Filipinas wouldn't be able to marry foreign men, would they?
Well, you should ask foreign men for their AFTER rather than BEFORE experience.
The whole filipina dressed up as the ideal wife is merely a marketing ploy. False advertising at that...
Tan has no life. He has been here all day long.
Tan stop saying your a bloke from down under cause your not.
And all Chinese know Kung Fu
Filipino Women
Filipino women are typically attractrive to most foreign men and are therefore the first choice when it comes to asian-dating. Filipinas are generally admired for their unusual beauties and cunning. They're known for their incomparable hospitality and very convincing facial expressions. Lots of foreigners have been searching for love in Asia and Philippines is where they usually end up. Although Philippines is among the best countries in Asia to search for love, beware foreigners especially Americans that not all Filipinas are sincere lovers.
Take extreme cautions when finding a Filipina girlfriend(For American Men)
-by UltraMagnus
Everyone is welcome to share their stories.
I want to say NOT ALL WOMEN ARE SINCERE LOVERS regardless of their nationality but since we want to stick to the topic, I agree that not All Filipinas are sincere lovers.
Honestly, I feel ashamed when I see young filipina with an old foreigner boyfriend or husband. My initial reaction is..WTH?! And thoughts of maybe that girl is just using him and how effing low can she get?!.. But you know, I think that foreigner might not be stupid to realize that something is fishy. And I know the reputation is quite alarming but good thing not everyone has the mentality that all Filipino women are the same.
For all the people who had been scammed by those women. Do you see anything in the earlier part of the relationship that must be wrong in the first place?
-by UltraMagnus
Everyone is welcome to share their stories.
I want to say NOT ALL WOMEN ARE SINCERE LOVERS regardless of their nationality but since we want to stick to the topic, I agree that not All Filipinas are sincere lovers.
Honestly, I feel ashamed when I see young filipina with an old foreigner boyfriend or husband. My initial reaction is..WTH?! And thoughts of maybe that girl is just using him and how effing low can she get?!.. But you know, I think that foreigner might not be stupid to realize that something is fishy. And I know the reputation is quite alarming but good thing not everyone has the mentality that all Filipino women are the same.
For all the people who had been scammed by those women. Do you see anything in the earlier part of the relationship that must be wrong in the first place?
@UltraMagnus:
Thanks for the clarification.
That is a fair and honest statement. NOT ALL WOMEN ARE SINCERE LOVERS regardless of their nationality but since the topic is about Philippine women:You also do agree that not All Filipinas are sincere lovers but some are for real not like some racist indicated that the whole Philippine race were prostitutes. Once again, thank for controlling your site.
Some filipinas are genuine whilst most are not. What is "racist" about that statement?
...not all filipina... be specific mention their names...
thanks
You have a sudden change of opinion.
Here is one of your comments that been posted that is racist in one general ethnicity:
TanfromAustralia 2 weeks ago
You have got to wonder what the hell they are really doing over there in the Philippines.
There is too much reliance on pimping, prostitution and remittance of money to sustain the economy. These are short-term measures which do not benefit the economy in the long run, making it implode.
Given that their own people are obsessed with migration to the West, it is sad to think that they seem to have given up on their own country.
I am wary of FILIPINO PEOPLE because they regard everyone from the West as a potential ATM and visa sponsor.
Yes, I refer to a majority of them...
that woman who talking about she have maid tell her stop her lies,there some of them in the Bahamas they hoes it always that man in then the next and the next they are a bunch of nasty people they don't clean everything dirty the outside of the place full of mildew, all of them sleep around with all kinda men
Hi, I'm Pinay. Sorry from what I heard. It is true. We only have poor and rich classes and the majority is poor. The poor girls became ignorant because of puverty. It was the reasoned she became a prostitutes and addicted who did not know better. Always extra careful and precaution. It is our lesson to learn. Sweetyesmie
I had decided to take a step back and let other people post, to gauge other reactions. It seems that even filipino themselves can admit to certain things.
And before you accuse me of fake postings, I assure that I am not doing that. A lot of people can recognise a snake in the grass when they see it.
All you have to do is perform a google search on this topic on the internet. I am not the one in denial.
I believe I am "that woman who talking about she have maid" as I am pretty sure I was the only one here who boasted about my filipina maid being "a gem". And now I am told to stop my "lies" by someone in the Bahamas. It just goes to show how hard it is even for a foreign employer to speak well of a good OFW when the overall international opinion of PH people is so grossly negative.
One has to consider that the "no, not all" line of defence stands on really shaky ground. PH as a nation and a people needs to reverse this trend with more than verbal retaliation. Otherwise, the worst is yet to come.
When my siblings and I were kids, my parents taught us that one's reputation is worth more than pure gold. Never lose it even for a dime.
Are u really a filipina Khaym??sounds like u are more angry than those men who have been fooled by other filipinas...
Im sad to hear lots of different stories here...but all i can say is, NOT ALL FILIPINAS ARE THE SAME....
i have a spanish boyfriend for 6 months now...i love him very much even if he is not rich...he doenst hve much money...but i am happy with him...i will stay with him thu thick and thin....
even coming to the point where he cant work coz of age matters, i will work for us and try to have a good life...
mostly filipinas are very martyr when it comes to love...
maybe u just havent found the right woman for you...
or maybe, just maybe, filipina girls are not for you...
try to look for other countries...
so u will know that not just filipinas hve bad characters...
even in ur own countries have sluts and whores...u know that..
so dont blame all filipinas for all ur bad stories...
there are some who are serious looking for someone to live their lives with for the rest of their lives...
just like what u are trying to looking for...
and i just want to say sorry on behalf of those filipinas who scammed you...
i am a filipina but not a scammer...
i look for a LOVER not a FINANCER...
so please for other guys who looks for pinay, please be very careful when u choose...
so u wont end up crying and talking bad to us...
NOT ALL OF US ARE THE SAME...
and advice for those thick faced pinays there...
PLEASE LANG...wag naman kayu mang GAGO...
pati kami mga serioso, nadadanay sa inyo...
ANG SHUFAL NG MGA FESLOCK NIO...
i love you honey...many kisses:*
what i can say is not all filipina's are after the money of foreigners. i think i have read that the author of this article mentioned once that not all filipina are after the money.. but most on his/her article he/she keeps on mentioning PINAYS where it means generally all. This is what i can say, based on my experience there are also lots of foreigners here using their money to attract womens attention. You cant blame pinays too when u send them message using ur money to attract them. if you are american or foreigner looking for a true love (pinay), there is no need for you to mention about your money.
to all the commentors that says pinays are just after foreigners money, put on your head also that we are all not the same. Thank you. there are still pinay who are looking for a TRUE LOVE.
Finally, we are back to the main topic on what to watch out on scammer’s vs. non-scammers one.
A friend of mine told me that he is in love with this Philippine girl that was introduce to him by a Filipina friend who I also happen to know too. He told her to stop working in Sweden and that he will support her by sending her 350 dollars a month. I asked him not to do it and asked if he ever actually know this girl? He told me that they already met on the Internet CAMERA. I warn him with no avail and he even went to Philippines where I myself is a Filipino would not dare go to that specific place in Mindanao. The worst of it all is that I no longer friends with that Filipina that introduce my friend to her cousin because of one issue that I know that she and her cousin is just using my friend by asking 300,000 pesos because my friend’s girlfriend father is running for politics in that area. I convince him on that one not to send any money.
I felt sorry for him for all my co-worker is making fun of him for not getting a girlfriend here in the U.S. His response to all my co-worker is that “ been there, done that and I just need to see other culture”. But he already admit to me that the reason for going for this woman in Philippine is that he is overweight, diabetic and getting old already, cannot find nobody and need a family. I told him that is the wrong way to meet a decent woman, not on the Internet.
My question: How come when I myself is a Filipino and I know what is good or best for a friend still being ignored? Why not listen?
Not all Filipina are scammers but I know one when they start asking for money. I told him that he is being scam by both our friend and her cousin and still ended up going to Philippines and propose to her to marry him to my disbelief. That is one thing I do not get. I already give up on him for he disregard both my warning not to engage with anybody in the Internet and also not to travel to an area where his safety is at risk. He said, “ He did that all for Love”. It’s time for him to wake up just like other men meeting all these females through the Internet.
Beware!!!
This is a very interesting discussion forum. Being a Filipina myself, I would say that some of the things said on this forum are true; some very ridiculous.
I am a Filipina living overseas as an immigrant. I went here under the Skilled Worker Program of the government where I had to wait for five (5) long years for them to process my papers.
There has been so much discussion about Pinays wanting to leave the country. It is true that some have to hook up with white guys to get their passports stamped with visa, but there are some like me who worked and waited for so long to get the immigrant visa through our own efforts. So is it fair to say that I used some white guy to get my perm resident visa? Totally NOT!!! It would be ridiculous to even assume that because if anyone knows about the Skilled Worker Program, you would know that visa can only be issued based on the immigration officer's assessment of your skills and properties (money available to get establish abroad while looking for a job).
Fast forward to today... I am now going out with a white guy... Does that make me a whore too? Absolutely not! If the criteria mentioned above would be applied to determine whether I sold myself to this white guy to get something in return, then it is totally unfair to say that I am whoring myself. After 3 years of living here, I was able to land a job with the government, buy myself a house, and own my own car... without any help from this white guy that I am seeing (or any other guy for that matter!).
It is sad to admit that there are Filipinas taking advantage and using peole (e.g. foreigners) just to get visa and feed the whole household whose family members do nothing but be tambays and play pusoy dos on the streets... but there are also some who do this because of severe poverty despite of trying to work for a living. Does that situaation make it right? NO! What is wrong is still wrong regardless of the reasons behind it.
However, I just hope that people also look at those honest Filipinas who ask nothing in return, who just happened to fall in love with a white guy and is now being lambasted maliciously because of what other Filipinas girls have done (and will still do).
I've gotten the same perception from other people, both from Filipinos and other races, who look at me as though I found a gold mine in my guy. In a way, they are right, because this guy has done nothing but love me in return. But when it comes to materials things, they didn't know that, it was my money that was used to pay for the downpayment of our house, it was my money he used to get him out of his debt so that his credit can be good again (so that he can help with the house mortage this time! :), and it was my money that pays for the food and utilities that we need every month.
Isn't that crazy? To be perceived as someone who uses a person just because of my skin color? I don't care; the only persons who know the truth is him and me.
I just hope that people go easy on generalizing things about ALL FILIPINAS. Again, it is the sad truth and there are quite a number of scammers out there.. but I hope you never forget about the few ones who are hard working and true.. and who only happened to fall in love with a white guy....
@James R - I think your friend's trust rested heavily on the introduction by the mutual contact - "Philippine girl that was introduce to him by a Filipina friend".
Those type of pinays are very aware of foreigners being leery of "internet scams" as that game had been played for a very long time. So they have been getting creative with new and newer ways to nail the foreign men, especially those who are vulnerable. Vulnerable how? As in not GQ, not in tip-top health condition, in mid-life, recently divorced, emotionally in a bad place etc. Reality of life is such that people go through rough patches in cycles. Is it right that these people should be targeted by bad egg pinays? It is pretty clear who is the predator and who is the prey, isn't it?
Bottom line is, these pinays seem to see this as the chosen path of life. When there are such large numbers of them, it is a very big and scary problem. Older single guys with no dependents who fall for this isn't even the worst case scenario. There are many reports of families being torn apart when a young husband and father has the misfortune of crossing paths with such a pinay or her "mutual contact". The sufferings of the affected foreign family is more than a river of tears. I have one such in my family that happened 20 years ago. Back then my family accepted it as an unfortunate event. We never blamed PH as a country for what happened. I discovered this board only 6 months ago. Then I started my internet research on this subject. The information I turned up is pointing to an "industry" in PH that has been brewing ever since. Filipinas already in foreign countries seem to moonlight hooking up pinays still in PH with foreign men, like the case you described. I have come across a number of posts on other boards saying the same. Why??
I also read one about pinays meeting their foreign beaus at train stations and airports in PH being a common daily scene. Can anyone honestly say this same scenario is a common daily scene also in all the other countries so frequently aligned with, on the argument that it is not only filipinas are like that, but also women from Russia and a whole string of other countries as well?
It is one thing to say "no, not all pinays" are like that. But how does the foreigner know who is and who isn't? Especially when they are such good actresses too.
@Gentle Filipina: Good for you to find your man who happens to be a foreigner. I am married to a Filipina too but I also admit that there are a lot scanners because of the corruption and poverty in Philippines. However, I also agree with you when you said: Does that situation make it right? NO! What is wrong is still wrong regardless of the reasons behind it. I totally agree with you a 100% on that one.
My nephew actually married a nurse that is on a working visa here in the U.S and now bought a house, had a child and living happily. My nephew is more Americanize for his mother is an American that is why he look more like pure American.
@objectivelyspeaking:As you stated,But how does the foreigner know who is and who isn't? Especially when they are such good actresses too.
To tell you the truth. You can't because you and I cannot read people mind. That is why I did not tell my friend to go with me and introduce him to another one that will actually love him because I also do not know myself if one is really in love or just want to get a free pass to other countries by marrying a foreigner.
Only time will tell if you see them in the parties growing old together and have grandchildren of their own who I knew a lot of them.Lot of them does not mean I go for percentage either.
@James R:
It is a myth that only scammers ask for money and genuine don't.
During my years of working as an immigration lawyer, a lot of filipinas whom were NOT genuine never asked for any money upfront or pretended that money was not important to them because their ultimate goal was to obtain a spouse visa to migrate.
Some of these women were clever enough to realise that money was something not to press when it came to certain men whom are money conscious.
Once these women got their greencards, money became an important issue. They no longer needed these men and found somebody else.
And if you agree with objectivelyspeaking's comments, then you concede it is quite impossible to tell whether a filipina is genuine or not unless the men are psychic mind readers. That would seem to negate all of the stupid comments made by people in this thread that they should avoid women who ask for money or that they should look harder.
I am tired of people yanking my dick and blame it on the pull of gravity. Let's get real!
DUH! These guys that got scammed by Filipinas, they asked for it! I mean look at what types of guys go there. Mostly old, fat, ugly, balding, and more often than not, they're into 2, 3rd, 4th ++ marriages. If they are dumb enough to believe a 20 something Filipina will genuinely fall in love with them, then more fool them! What makes these guys think that just because they were rejected by their women at home, the Filipina will accept them unconditionally? I do not call it scamming. It's called a "business transaction". Her young firm body for his $$/money. Filipinos have been downtrodden for centuries by every nationality on the planet, why should be be considerate whether they break up families and relationships for the money?? Get real people!
Wow! Listen to this people! So it was done on purpose out of spite and hatred against every nationality on the planet?? Yet we foreigners are accused of racism and hatred all over this board?
No wonder the constant back-biting of hands that feed these pinays. This is a whole new perspective on everything we are discussing here. I have always known the truth has a way of finding its own way out.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Of course the post by Celeste is utterly ridiculous, but even you would have to admire it for its blatant honesty. It is one of the few honest posts made by a filipina and is quite refreshing.
Celeste's style of thinking is in line with the larger filipino cultural mindset, a narcisstic, devious, exploitative and remorseless mentality. It is this sense of entitlement that I find so detestable.
At least she can admit that it is a 'business transaction' from which it can be inferred that the men are the clients whilst the filipinas are in effect, prostitutes. You can't get more honest than that. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Yet you and I are accused of being "racist" when we observe and state the same thing, merely because we are not filipinos.
The suggestion made by some people that I am a "racist" is totally stupid. I know that I am not a racist.
However, there are some cultural practices that I detest, such as terrorism and female genital mutilation. Speaking out against them does not mean that I am racist.
Similarly, I also speak out against some filipino cultural practices which disgust me as a decent person. The filipino cultural practice of systematic pimping and prostitution is what I am against.
I also feel the need to address some stupid arguments being constantly perpetuated by some people whom are intent on deflecting the real issues at hand.
I am so sick and tired of people who say that these men get what they deserve because they looked for women in the wrong places, not getting to know these women, etc.
Stupidity in itself is an explanation for being scammed, but does not excuse it.
Most men whom made the decision to marry these women were lured because of the misrepresentations these women made.
Most men want to marry wives, not whores or gold diggers, but in reality that is what the men ended up with.
Are the men stupid or the women brilliant actresses?
In most cases, a lot of these women pretended to be chaste and not care at all about money, which is why these men married them, only to end up with gold digging whores.
Stop turning the issues back on the true victims and start calling out the scammers for who they really are.
@TanfromAustralia - I really want to understand further what made them think they have been downtrodden by every nationality on the planet in the first place.
When my extended family in Asia was hiring domestic maids from PH, we thought we were helping them acquire house and property in their home town by offering employment. My own maid was truly wonderful and loyal to me, but my uncle's maid starved my grandma to death. What kind of human being would deal such unimaginable cruelty to a helpless old lady?
Further, their salary was offered by their own PH maid agency which was pretty standard, there was no negotiation. We did not dictate it, there was no exploitation on our part.
PH people have largely held their corrupt government accountable for their poverty. How does that become the foreigners' price to pay?
Anyone else care to comment on this?
@objectivelyspeaking:
They see nothing wrong with biting off the hand that feeds them.
They f*cked up their own country, but they can't accept that.
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F*ck off.
My God... The things I am reading. I"ve never been to the Philippines. Thank God.
I"ve been on dating sights for two years and have broken three informal engagments. Why? Becuase women from the Philippines have no idea on how to realte emotionally to a man.
PLEASE BEWARE:All they want to do is get pregnant and have children and forget you. You will become a money machine and that is it. Yes, you may get that soft smile and nice warm hug but all they are after is support for their children and their families.
They are cold...... Much colder than American women. And who is the writer who says its all America's fault. Here is my perception after hearing several pinyas stories of pshycholoical, sexual and physical abuse from the men "Pinyos".
Pinyas are supid enough to go to bed with Pinyos who they don't love and don't marry and then expect an American, canadian or wome other foreigner to bring them up without any respect to them at all.
Pinyos are smart enough to use Pinyas becuase the laws of the land are not enforced to protect women and chidren.
The Catholic Church "80% are Catholic" says no controception. The average family size is 6. The first girl I was dating online had 11 siblings and the last two had 8 sibilings each. They pump the children out like cotton candy and with no opportunities in the conutry and then they blame America for invading there country. The Catholic Church is responsible for some of this and the women who are stupid enough to spread there legs all the time.
And they brag about how many men are suitoring them. Yes, foreigners who go there, who are not retired there, are using women who are so poor and need milk for there babies. It's all a sin from the Catholic Church all to the Government of the Philippines to the unintelligent actions of the people themselves.
They want to marry Americans or Canadians to get money to raise the children of Pinyos who just wanted to get laid. Nice going people.
And one writer wants to blame it on American's government in the Philippines. Please.......
We lest there a long time ago and they still can't get it together. You can't even send a card with money becuase the mail men will steal it. It's a fu... mess.
Most of the blame is on the Vatican not America. America has given many families there alot of money by marrying girls there.
I think the people of the Philippines should say Salamat to us and treat us with respect. If you don't like your Government and you want to change your country and provide opportunities for your children, stop having so many children and tell the bishop of Philippines to get his educated ass moving on orgaizing more education for the people there and send money from the church to Philippines to start manufaturing bussinesses instead of making the people go to Taiwan, Syngapore, Japan and China to work as slaves.
What a fu... mess.
Lou Valentino
That is an interesting perspective. I agree that the filipino people should stop exporting themselves out and stay back and fix up their country...
Lou Valentino."I think the people of the Philippines should say Salamat to us and treat us with respect"
Oh really? What for? For exploiting our women and children? Oh, obviously you are in denial that many foreigner paedohiles unleash their lust on Filipino children boys and girls alike. And what do you think happens when these children grow up? They know nothing else but sell their bodies because they learned it from the foreign visitors!! If you teach a human being how to be an animal, he will behave like an animal. Monkey see, monkey do!
Little minds think alike!
Although i did have a problem at one time with a Pinay lady that i had met a few years ago, i do not hold it against the rest of the people of the Philippines.
Nor do i wish to dwell in the past. i have many good friends there and also many Filipino friends here in Canada where i live.
Here in Canada we have a thing called the dead beat dad claus.. meaning that if a man has sex with a woman and gets her pregnant, he is liable to help with caring for that child.. not always does that happen, but if the mother wishes to push, it happens very often. the mans wages are garnished by the goverment and the childs mother recieves the money to help raise the child. it is a good law.. not only does it help to support, but it also makes the people, mostly the men think a little more with the big head..
when i was in the Philippines i saw and heard many stories about how the men would leave their families and go somewhere else in the country and start another family with another lady and have no remorse about leaving his ex to fend for her and their children all on her own.. the goverment does Nothing !! this is just wrong.. Maybe just Maybe Lou is right when he says the faith is partially to blame... Too many kids..
as for the exploiting of the children......
who is to blame for that... hmmmm.
Apparently these children are either being sold by or pimped out by their parents... thats sick..
yes i agree that it does tend to draw a bad crowd.. every sick perverted weirdo that can afford to go there on a holiday can have a sicko sex trip feeding on destroying the lives of young children.. things that if they did that here, we would lock them away for a good portion of their lives or possibly more..
my opinion... and its only my opinion is that the population should be controlled a little to help provide more possibilies for the future generations.. to actually be able to have a real chance...
if i had the money and a plan and also the means to import and export from there at a reasonable price...
i would love to open a company there that would create jobs to help improve the economy.. that is a huge part of the problem.. many of the Filipino people i know are excellent dedicated workers... they just have in many cases given up on the right path because of so many road blocks and stop signs.. what do you do then to feed your family ? whatever you can...
I know where you are coming from @Jessev – a kind and compassionate heart. But I can’t subscribe to the notion that one should do “whatever” to feed a family, if “whatever” means scheme to scam innocent people, entrap men with surprise pregnancies, tear apart families leaving the young children of those families to suffer for a lifetime, bite the hands that feed them... If the “poor” people of every nation in this world were to do the above as those PH people are reputed to do, what will become of this world???
Let's not forget the posts by Gulf nationals and foreign expats in the Mid-East about filipina behaviour? What has the husband pimping out his wife got to do with poverty when they are both earning good incomes as nurses? The pinay wife on the JonEmma thread is living a charmed life, luxuriously provided for by her foreign husband. She schemed elaborately to cheat with not 1 but 2 pinoy ex-bfs, then tried to sweet-talk her way back into her husband’s life in order to hold on to her life of luxury. Where’s the poverty? Don’t assume hers is an isolated case either.
Lou Valentino’s post pretty much sums up most of what I have been posting these past 6 months. Christianity and Catholicism are 2 different religions, and I share LV’s opinion about the Catholic church in PH. Pedophilia and child sex tourism in PH are the results of their abundance of abandoned children and ready availability of pimps. Many abandoned children have resulted from failed attempts to hook up with foreign men by pinays. Who is to blame?? @Celeste’s comment on the future of these kids couldn’t have been more telling. It is unabashed honesty like hers that we need for this discussion to hopefully bear some fruit. We need to recognize the truth without trying to deny or whitewash it. Identify the problem in its true form, try to find solutions. As citizens of the planet, we should want all countries to prosper, all people to succeed. Hence the international humanitarian efforts we hear so much about. But God helps those who help themselves. Any real turnaround must originate from the people of PH themselves. For as long as these negative trends persist, the more unfairly persecuted will be those PH nationals who don’t belong with those of ill-repute in their country.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I agree with you.
Just adding on that we all have choices. Choice can be the hardest thing on Earth, but we have choices nevertheless.
There are people who are poverty stricken whom choose to find a dignified way out of their current circumstances. Nobody is saying it is easy, but we are empowered (or trapped) by our own choices.
When it comes to a discussion of filipino cultural practices and traits, it is often that the dichotomy between being poverty stricken in the true sense of not having food to eat and no shelter and the mere desire to obtain a more affluent and comfortable life is overlooked.
I have come across very few filipino people who were poverty stricken in the true sense of the word. I have come across a lot of filipino people who were mostly motivated to obtain a more comfortable life and to support their extended family.
It is a filipino custom for filipinas to marry for economic reasons as a means to support their extended family. Therein lies the crux of the problem.
As a hard working person who does not rely on anyone else financially, I find that idea highly offensive because I know what a hard day of work feels like and what it is like to rely on myself financially.
It is hard to accept that some men would have to financially support their wife's brother to meet his material needs when the brother is probably capable of working too.
The world is not a fair place. It is not fair that income structures are not equal in the world and not everybody earns the proportionate amount for hard work. The world is not fair. It just IS. Better start f*cking dealing with it. Don't f*cking use it as a justification for exploiting other people.
They should get the f*ck over their victim complex because I am so f*cking sick and tired of dealing with it.
For a bunch of beggy, "give me money" group of people, they nevertheless are very narcissistic.
Let petty people win petty arguments
Beggy, narcissistic and repetitive.
Yawn!
Yo you - yes you neo-nazi supremacist with his ass still stuck in a place called "the last century". We gooks are on the same planet as you because God said so. We gooks are in the same country as you because your government invited us. So get used to it. If you don't like how we smell, stick your nose some place else.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I don't think this "ghook" is really "racist". It is all a publicity stunt, designed to deflect.
Have you noticed how this "ghook" does not make derogatory comments towards filipino posters and on some occasions has agreed with them?
I have an idea who this "ghook" really is and so do you...
@TanfromAustralia - Whoever the crap he is, that would be my one and only post directed at him. I am not going to waste another pixel of this board on a**wipes like him.
The Vietnamese are some of the rudest and greediest people on the face of the earth. I too came to Vietnam with an open mind and really enjoyed it until I experienced the way the people treat foreigners and each other. Some foreigners love to say, "well they fought off the French and the Americans and you'd hate foreigners too if you were them". Why then do Laotians treat foreigners well and Cambodians treat foreigners well. They were both colonized by the French and bombed by the Americans.
It's because the Vietnamese are as a generalization some of the evilest people on the face of the earth. No doubt there are some nice people here and there though. Do yourself a favour and don't go to Vietnam.
Some filipino posters have accused me of being a "racist", yet one of them is making racist comments in this thread about Asian people.
That gives you a glimpse into how utterly f*cked up and diseased their mindset is. It is how they go through life.
Go back to your country d!ckface
I can only laugh....
Lol!
@TanfromAustralia - Well, for one thing, this thread is still running, not yanked. I am not spending all this time posting here just to criticize another nation. You and I both have better things to do. I want to create awareness about this threat and problem to foreigners, hope more innocent people will be warned, more importantly instigate the few good people in PH to spearhead some action toward reversing this negative trend of exporting women and hurting children. Nothing good will come about if this continues. The situation today has already come some ways from 20 years ago.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, I am trying to create awareness, too.
But I think the problem is worse today than 20 years ago.
I think the financial pressure is much greater, the gap between the rich and poor greater. This causes people to be more desperate and short sighted when going about things.
I guess, you guys just met the wrong ones. There are lots of Filipinas that are not looking for money.
@TanfromAustralia- I don't think you have seen the good side of the Filipinas. You are just emphasizing the people that you had met. Would you like to Criticize woman in thailand or other asian countries?? I met a girl in thailand who doesn't even know what respect is, same as a guy in Scotland. I thought Scottish guys are nice but they are heartless..
I also hate Vietnamese, Thai, and Russian women who scam men. I detest all scammers equally.
I wonder if that makes me a "racist"...?
i have few living next door to me, when i just move there i meet all of them living there for years few of them quickly try befriend me but for a person who have travel the world and i take a good look at them with thses fake smiles i say to myself yeah they every cunning and they do pretend,how i know they are not what we think one of them was doing something they shouldn't do and my husband spoke to her about it man she mad from then she don't even speak to us if she come out side and see us she pretend like she don't see us that how i know they are a bunch of sucker
i never see no set of people so disgusting them women come to the Bahamas for jobs, they hate Bahamian but they living and working in their country but their goal is to marry a Bahamian men to take care of them and their family back home but i have news for them these men in the Bahamas will fuck them leave them and that all they get, they just need to be honest, i hear some people saying on here that not all the same all of them the same i really don't think they have heart smiling always that dont mean you a very nice person, they just dont right wicked how they expect a man to take care of their whole family back home they sick in the dam head
i never see no set of people so disgusting them women come to the Bahamas for jobs, they hate Bahamian but they living and working in their country but their goal is to marry a Bahamian men to take care of them and their family back home but i have news for them these men in the Bahamas will fuck them leave them and that all they get, they just need to be honest, i hear some people saying on here that not all the same all of them the same i really don't think they have heart smiling always that dont mean you a very nice person, they just dont right wicked how they expect a man to take care of their whole family back home they sick in the dam head
Thai women are a 100 times worse infact I think there is a standard script they use....
@tally:
Your post also describes filipinas who go to Dubai and Hong Kong to work...
Well, what can we say, Filipina is a country of scammer. Maybe only Nigeria can outnumbered Filipina. Scamming is already in their blood. All we can do is try to fool them too. Like I said before, they liked to be pregnant, then let's f*ck them. After that, leave them. Isn't that all they want? To be pregnant. If you want to give them money, consider that money is your budget to buy a dog food or something similiar. I guess what @Jordan said is true. Cpnsider the money like buying 2 cans of Natural Balance.
@Jameson:
The filipino people have a reputation of doing virtually ANYTHING for money, which is why they are cultural prostitutes and pimps. It is so ingrained in their way of thinking that they are not aware of it when they are doing it and they get offended when they get called those terms because that is what most (but not all) of them are.
When most of us think about the French, we think about fine culture. When we think about the Italians, we think of good food and music.
When I think about a filipina, all that I can conjure in my mind is another scammer, a beggy, "give me money" whore.
Not many of us who are 20 years old deliberately set out to marry a 60 year old person. That idea is way too disgusting to even imagine let alone actually going through with it.
I tried to read all the comments of people on this thread. And i came to observed that people talking here are so rediculous, racist, and thinking that they are maybe the best people in the world while these PH people are the most bad people... do i remember that someone mentioned that PH people are daredevil? oh i guess yess, and i remember also that someone asked "Why God made this kind of people" You know why? its because they are not dare devil as one has mentioned here. By just generalizing that this PH people are gold digger, whores, prostitutes, devils or whatever you call them is a racist. This is my story about american woman and a filipina .
I am a Chinese and i have one brother he had a relationship twice to american women but both of these relationships just failed, on his first relationship he was married to american but it last long only for 2 yrs, and thanks God they did not have any kids because if that happened kids suffer from an unresponsible american mother. She just love partying with her friends shopping expensive clothes, make ups and any material things she want to buy, while my brother is struggling on working his business. Later on my brother just realized he is losing his business because of his wife so he divorced her. After few years he had again another american woman, this time i thought he found a respectful american woman because when she did not yet move in to my brothers house she was so nice, so sweet, but when she moved in i have observed that she always go out in the evening every time my brother is out of the country. Until one day a friend of mine told me that she saw her with another man in a hotel, and we just discover that this woman is jumping on every mans bed for money (can she not be called also a whore or a prostitute?) Thanks God my brother did not marry her before we discover who she really is.
And to fast forward the story, finally my brother met this simple, poor, 15yrs younger than my brother, in Ph while he was there for a business trip. At first i did not like this filipina because of her lifestyle and i admit that i thought she is just after also my brothers money. but then i observed that with in the 3 yrs they were in a relationship, i have seen that she is a well educated and a respected filipina and never ask money from my brother but instead she helped my brother to run his business, unless my brother gave her something for her allowance, and to make my story shorter again, my brother is married to her for 20yrs now and they have 3 grown up kids.
I don't need any further to comment here, but my point here only is to let those who are being brainwashed by those people who has narrow mind to know that there are still good people that you will find in PH. And not only in PH that there are women after the money of foreigners but also in other countries.
And now @Objectivity, i know you will comment on my story because what TOODLES said is right, you quickly jump to defense when someone express their experience in contrary with what you preach here and your funny huh... sepnding your time on searching and sending those sites just to support what you say, your just like a kid that always need your moms approval.
@ Tanfromaustralia, maybe you worked to an immigration for 6 yrs as a lawyer as you keep on mentioning to your comments here but that is not enough for u to give a disgraceful comments to PH people, I disagree also with this other filipina doing but i don't think that the whole nation is the same as me myself have lots of filipina friend here in China and i deal with them everyday not only for 6 yrs of my life, they came here to work as a teachers, engineers and other professional jobs and yah they work also as housemaid.
THERE IS ONE THING I WANT SAY TO THE READERS OF THIS THREAD, BE WISE AND DON'T BE BRAINWASHED BY PEOPLE WHO HAS NARROW MIND
@aobjectivity and tanfromaustralia, goodluck to both of you, i can see that you too are enjoying this topic.
If we say bad thing about filtypina that means we narrow minded person. How about we stand for filthypina? Does it still make us a narrow minded person?
@xing:
No, the whole nation of the Philippines is NOT all the same, but the essence of filipino culture is to blame for creating a certain mentality and mindset that is manifested through collective goals, strategies and behaviours.
The reputation of filipino people has largely been earnt through their own behaviour. It is not an unfair stereotype that has been falsely cast.
@james by just looking on the bad side about filipina is narrow minded, why don't you look also on their good side?
@tanfromaustralia maybe you are right with what you said that the essence of filipino culture is to blame for creating a certain mentality and mindset that is manifested through collective goals, strategies and behaviours. but by just looking on the negative side of this people are disgraceful, if you look on the other side they also have lots of good traits. and i have been reading your comments most of the time you are generalizing the PH people. why? by just merely saying FILIPINA or filipino that's a general term for the people of PH. anyway i don't have much time to spend in discussing these things to people who has only 1 mind and enjoying preaching to people about negative traits of PH people. Good luck to you to your friend's. I hope that wise and intelligent people will use their mind in a good way.
even the nurses who work in the hospital here trying to seduce married doctors this is not hear say this is things i know and see with my own eyes stop defend everyone of them who come to work in the Bahamas they are hoes and pimps people aint stupid you know we can see what they are it not the matter we hate them their ways, is nasty i told you people i see it first hand i have some live next to me and all hours of the day and night all kinda men in and out most of the men i see coming in and out i know them they are married and have good jobs that all they looking for but here in the bahamas men only used them and leave they aint going to get nothing and i cant blame the men when they going to tell them my family back home need this and that come on people it wrong
During my 6 years working as an immigration lawyers, I saw a lot with my own eyes, too, but some people in this board seem to want to refuse to acknowledge the reality of what I observed.
xing you is one of them so i don't expect better from you, i don't talk hear say these are things i see with my own eyes and all of them who here in the Bahamas is like that this is a island 24by 7 and you trying to defend nasty behavior Bahamian women will cut their ass off tell them keep it up this one country you don't play games with these women husband what you have to understand people don't hate them it their cunning nasty unpleasant ways and the way they think people don't like
Good job @tally. This "xing" is one of them. Filipinas have a way of using the preposition "to" in all the wrong places in a sentence. Look again at her posts. "Chinese"? Yeah, sure.
I am sure you have a bad luck with your experienced which I feel sorry for you but do not be so naive because you can find bad people anywhere not only from the Philippines. I married an American 20 years my senior. I came here as instant mother to his kids although I was stranger to this country. I was like a nanny to them clean up after them cook,even though they were teenagers. They do not do anything except to eat and sleep.I had to carry their laundry walking in the snow to the laundry mat for many years until they have their own. I did not do that because I want to come to the U.S. but because I love my husband. We are now married 30 years. My husband is not rich, so I have to work two jobs to support the family. My husband is sometimes controlling and demanding but I stay with him because we have a child together. I don't want my child not to have afather. To me that is is family value. So watch your mouth before you judge Pilipina. I think you don't know what you are talking about.Please do not listen to this jerk.
Just because your case is different does not give you the right to discount my experience...
Ok, I'll look for the good side of filthypina ( if they had a good side, dohh). While I look for the good side of your fellow society (I'm sure you are one of them too.Though I don't know wheter you are at the good side or bad side.), why don't you also look at the bad side of your kind? That would be fair. And please make sure that you look at it, the Filipina that exists in a place called earth.
Ok, I'll look for the good side of filthypina ( if they had a good side, dohh). While I look for the good side of your fellow society (I'm sure you are one of them too.Though I don't know wheter you are at the good side or bad side.), why don't you also look at the bad side of your kind? That would be fair. And please make sure that you look at it, the Filipina that exists in a place called earth.
this Tanfromaus suckssss...hes been here all the time..is he working???? i dont think so.....lawyer my asss..shit damn tan..i dont waste my time to this kind of jerk.. he always mention that he is a lawyer.whatever!not just once ,,,always.....imagine all THE TIME...im sick of it.....he is the only one mentioning his job ..no one here asking about your job...
So...this is what the pro-filipino argument has resorted to? Petty name calling reminiscent of 5 year old children?
It carries a lot of class and quality, just like the people and products that are exported from the Philippines...
Tanfromyass is homeless...pathetic jerk viatcong,go back to school and learn again to be a real LAWYER...as you always mention,that would be your big dream HUH?!...and i forgot to say,,,im the president of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA....i think you live in a net cafe....jerk dick head viatcong...
You can tell that people get nasty when the truth impacts them.
How's your internet scamming hobby going? Any bites today?
The filipino people can translate the words "money" and "visa" and "sex" in all foreign languages.
At least they know how to speak a universal language.
i am 29 years old, while i'm studying college i met different races studying here in the phil's. They were treat well, black,white yellow or whatever color they are, we all know they are here because they are nothing in their country, the cost of living and educating here is much cheapr (but not the people in here). I have read much, and it really hurts me a lot, by the way i cannot blame those who write their oppinion inhere most who drop their's oppie is because they had the experiences 'bout filipina, why the hell the other will waste their time in writing in here if they had the bad experiences in other country or in their own country, the only fact is it is written by the author to collect such idiot and craziest comments about pilipina. Have the author commented after this very long conversation of yours? Have you ask him how or why he had written this? Because he had badly heartbroken by a filipina. And all of you had a bad experience with a pilipina have you notice before you fooled by a filipina you first was fooled by your own countrywomen thats why you are looking your luck to our beautiful, respected, loving caring, lovely and graceful woman
it is very impossible to you that you have to look far for your fortune if you have found a gem in your own country, am i right? Even you haven't found the right one at your side at your back and anywhwre you look in there that's why you have to travel that far to search for the one. And because you doesn't deserve a single love of a filipina you found a trash where your country had planted a very long years ago. That's what you deserve, in the first place i believe in the saying if you pplanted love you'll earned love and if you planted whores you'll earn whores.
Excuses for the foreigners here in our country who abundantly earned pure friendship love and caring. Lucky are them, that even we have red this article we doesn't count them as one have spoken veerything bad for us. Unlike those who written so much bad for the filipina's, only experienced once or twice but clearly said ALL FILIPINAS are goldigger, whores, bad and blahblah.
The words you have said may back on you, may you have the worstiest marriage you we're looking for. And education in it's own true meaning is not only for those who have availed in coming to school. It is for those who understand their fellows and not judge verybody for just one's mistake. I am not that educated. I gone to a ppublic school, i work hard to continue my studies, unfortunately i fell in love for the wrong time. I stands for where i failed, i strive and work hard at my young age.
If i only after the money when i'm still a single , and working for my studies i before was offered by a doctor an africen, here in the philippines to go with them in their country. The kids were so sweet they love me eventhough we have no afair they care for me.Friendship is the only thing i can offer for them. You're trying to escape to your own countrywomen loking for much good and loving asian only to find out, SOME of us also are worst as your own.
Most of us trying to find our fortune in your rich country because we can't have it in our corrupt owned one but what kind of people are you, like crab trying to fullus down and even want us burry underground. I am proud i am a filipina. For those who have been deceived by a filipina sorry for you but don't you think maybe you deserve it. Godbless and tc. May your mind be open and your heart be cleansed.
I don't feel sorry for you nor do I sympathise with your fellow women.
You make blatant assumptions about Western men by asserting that Western women have somehow wronged them, which have led them to the Philippines to look for pinays.
Western men are lured to filipinas because of the grossly deceptive wholesome image created by your women, leading these men to believe that they will be truly accepted for who they are rather than the material benefits they can offer your women. Your women present an image to these men that is not real.
Most Western women have not wronged or failed these Western men as you blatantly and foolishly imply. Western women are too honest, have more pride in themselves, more apt to earn their own income, more likely to be financially independent and do not need a visa to emigrate out of a sh*t hole country. That is why Western women are less likely to pretend to contrive a relationship for material gain.
For most Western women, the choice of prostitution is a last resort. For filipinas, it is the preferred national profession.
Your women (most, not all), are willing to whore yourselves for virtually anything, so I would refrain from criticising Western women if I were you.
Stop f*cking peddling the bullshit that these men exploit your women when it is obvious to everyone (including your people) that your women are exploiting these men.
And I find your comment about Western men deserving to be scammed and your justification truly offensive. Your problem is your own f*cking problem, not anybody else's. The majority of people in the world all struggle in different ways.
Who are you to speak for western men? Remember you are a Vietnamese. You can't be an Aussie.. Either Vietnamese or cockroach only.
I worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 years and had Westen men as clients.
I can speak for them because I directly observed what they went through.
And another thing: filipino men shouldn't criticise anybody else. They should look in their own sh*t infested backyard first. When you stop pimping your own women and be able to work for a living is when you can get morally superior.
@myage.i'velearnmuch don't you know that tanfromaustralia is the author of the article that's why you can't see any comment from ULtramagnus but instead tanfromaustralia is the one replying to all the comments here. he seems sitting only infront of his computer to wait for people to comment on what he wrote. He claims that he is a LAWYER but maybe a kicked out lawyer. hahahaha
@myage.i'velearnmuch and oh, he keeps on repeating that he worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 yrs, maybe the immigration where he worked for 6 YRS KICKED HIS ASS OFF. HAHAHA, and he can't find another job that's why he spend his time here in the internet in responding all the comments he received.
@myage.i'velearnmuch and oh, he keeps on repeating that he worked as an immigration lawyer for 6 yrs, maybe the immigration where he worked for 6 YRS KICKED HIS ASS OFF. HAHAHA, and he can't find another job that's why he spend his time here in the internet in responding all the comments he received.
Oh really Vietnamese guy? Tell us about your scope of work and how many clients did you have for 6 years. C'mon let's check your credibility.
most arrogant asians in the US next to Indians.....good grief.....loud mouthed, trash buying, cheap asses that are wanna be White Americans and wanna be-Koreans.
any way why come to a filipina girl if you know who they are just go to america where all girlss...are not virgin,./bleh.,forgive mhe
iam sory but i dis agree to,,,, i know some woman are like that but dont think all woman from philippines are like that ,,, even another country not only philippines woman,,, why some people there are thinking all woman from philippines, man are have to be carefull,,,, not only from philippines, even all or some country to ,,, me i have western bf to and i love him not only what he have ,,, i ilove him coz thats what i feel to him,,, we are human only,,,, we are not perfect ,,, means no body's perfect,,, some are using and some are not!,,, so must not think that all woman in philippines are same ,,,,thats not not nice ,, to judge all filipina from philippines,,,,thats not acceptable.
Ethel Daguyo Ging Short Philip Short
Ethel I hope your happy now. I know you can't be. Stupid girl. You can't fake love. You will have a miserable life, money dont mean anything stupid girl. Look What he did.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hec3g91Pk Yes Philip I will expose you. You basterd.
http://www.porngt.com/sex/15653/Ethel_Daguyo_Phili
Ethel he paid girls to do these things. Philip is narrator, Philip Filmed it. No one feeds pigs with the breasts, and then feeds there child. Philip you are a sick bastered.
Ethel you never listened. 5 years we never had disagreements. My God you made bad mistakes. I hope you are ok. But I fear your not. Get out you dont owe him anything. Philip is the sickest man. he has so many videos of discusting things. You know his voice.
Ethel Daguyo Ging Short Bukinon Nurse Philippines Philip Short Biography
Ethel Daguyo aka Ging Short A very bad and untrusting person. Ethel has no understanding of life or what its about. She looks for handout's. Praying on free money. A very undependable person. Ethel will let you down in your most desperate time. Ethel is a grown woman, But still a child. Philip Short is a crazy man at age 67 he married Ethel Daguyo 20 yrs a Peasant Girl. Now she needs to look across the room at a man she doesn't love, But only wish he would die so she can't get what he has left.
http://www.porngt.com/sex/15653/Ethel_Daguyo_Phili
If not for a caring Fiancé of Ethel's. A Fiancé who cared helping her confidence to go to college's. A Fiancé who paid everything that needed to be paid for. What were you thinking? Ethel Loves Rocky, But she made a terrible Choice. Ethel didn't think Rocky would find out about philip, she was wrong. Ethel's Plan Failed. There is much hate for the Philippines. Women have no Pride. American's have values, moral's and self respect. To have pride of accomplishment of making your own life, building your own life. Not beening told what to do because your owned by your husband. A freedom, free willing to be yourself. Thats what Rocky wanted for you. Freedom not ownership. Any woman can marry a old man. Your not God Fearing, You have no faith in GOD. You lied to that old man. What your dealing with is a life long pain.
Rocky really feels sorry for you. When you go to work and give your money every week for 5 years to a girl you love, then you will understand the hurtfulness, pain. Since you only think about yourself. It's understandable your decion to marry a old man to give you instant security. Rocky found you in philippines. May 2011 Then Rocky when back to his hotel, and did some serious thinking about you. Thinking Ethel might do this in USA, Ethel might go with someone else. Ethel Since you couldn't be trusted. Rocky did let go of you, But the hurt is still there, the tears are still there. Ethel you spent countless days hours and years with Rocky. Ethel you can tell Philip anything you want. How could you live with yourself. Are you that greedy to take instant security over love. God will judge you in your time. Rocky was wonderful to you.
Rocky never wanted bad things to come out. He loves you. Rocky misses you and is very hurt you don't call him. Rocky does not want to yell at you. Rocky is not hisself anymore. Anyone can see the emptyness in his face.
Ethel its a terrible thing to be looking for love after philip die's. After it happeneds, and after you experiance it. Then you will relize, But its all to to late. You will never heal from this. Love.............
May your creator judge you to the fullest. 5 years of my life, Your on your way to suffer 50 years.
Im 32 years old pinay..I'm living in Thailand for 9 years now..I have seven years old son, and married with thai Chinese man..
It's true that some pinay are whore ..but not all of course..here Thailand..so many European man come for holiday and do the same thing..going out with young girls..yes these girls are prostitute..but behind the curtain, they are hero..they are feeding their family. Be fair..we are all human..and western girls can be as bad as u can imagine..I met so many European girls and American here in Thailand..and it makes me I'm happy that I'm Asian..
It's very sad that many people here making a bad comment about pinay..please live pinay alone..seek girl or love or wife in your own country..
I'm tired of this big picture of Asian girl being prostitute..it's not right...those u made a bad comment about pinay and that lawyer who always speak bad about pinay..don't ever ever visit our country..
Why the f*ck would I want to visit your country?
An indication of what I would find there is represented by the filipina posters in this thread: imposters, liars and scammers.
why would he want to visit our country? He even doesn't have money to visit his country which is Vietnam so why bother visit other countries?
By the way, don't believe that he is a lawyer.
Who gives a f*ck what you think?
The filipino posters in this very thread have already proven things about themselves that they accuse me of.
Lying comes so easily to you people that you project that accusation onto other people.
The Philippines is a country of cheap sex, artifice, prostitution, economic dependency and generally grotty people doing grotty things. I wonder why the filipino themselves are obsessed with emigration and interracial marriages.
That is why I have never been there nor do I intend to ever go there. It holds no relevance for me.
and you are married to an Australian right? yeah..I wonder you are into interracial marriage as well. Only the Philippines? Duhh.. Tan without you, this thread will be nothing. You are the life of this thread. Keep up the good work. You're so cheap that your reply to any comments here. Why don't you change name from time to time so people will not think that you have no Life? Anyways, IF YOU REALLY ASSUMED THAT THE WHOLE WORLD'S PERCEPTION TO FILIPINOS ARE THE WORST. THEN SO BE IT and
MAY YOU REST in PEACE..
VIETNAMESE..
By the way, do you know that the largest migrants in Australia are Vietnamese? Talking about obsessed huh? Oh and I forgot some ancestors must have been refugees. DEFINE A REFUGEE PLEASE
USE YOUR SLIGHTLY-USED BRAIN
I married an Australian girl, but I did not do it because I needed a visa. I already was a citizen of Australia.
I didn't have to scam my way into marriage.
I realise that in filipino culture, nobody understands the concept of a healthy, honest marriage that does not involve exploitation, one-sided dependency and leeching.
The filipino people are pathetic and despicable. That is what happens when you culturally whore and pimp yourselves to the rest of the world.
A refugee is somebody who seeks political asylum in a foreign country.
What the f*ck does that have to do with lying and scamming your way into a marriage so you can emigrate to another country?
I just don't see the correlation because one example involves making a claim for asylum and the other involves deceit and prostitution/whoring.
You must be retarded to draw that comparison. Perhaps that is why you asked me to define it for you.
hahaha! yeah right I am retarded. Happy? Pathetic Vietnamese. And a refugee is a person who is outside their country of origin or habitual residence because they have suffered persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted 'social group'.
You are an Australian citizen but still you have a blood of a refugee.
WHAT YOU THINK DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY.. SUCH AN INSIGNIFICANT PERSON. AT BEST, A PAST-TIME FOR A RETARDED PERSON LIKE ME :)
I am Filipina and is engaged to an Aussie. We met online, when i saw his profile on a dating site, he didnt even have a profile picture but i got curious with his profile name/ID about loving and cherishing a woman. So I messaged him, and our story started there. I never asked money from him or get me to Australia, because i was happy with my job with a good pay. But one day, after getting home from work, he surprised me and he said, he sent me something - money. I was shock then because i never asked for it. and he said
i deserve it.
Then, i wanted to work Abroad, i wanted to go to Singapore but he insisted for me to go to OZ instead of going to SG. I didnt want it first because i wanna work abroad, went to an Agency and submitted some of my documents but he said, if i dont go to OZ means i dont love him.. so there...
TIPS:
Men going on dating sites, please please, dont go or fall for someone who makes up stories like: "my dad is in the hospital, i need money to buy him medicine, i need money for my tuition fee and all that".. these are ways for them to scam you.. Im a Filipina yes, but i also know that there are really some who are only after money.
whoa! that wasn't nice. i do believe that some of them are that kind but generalizing them or even putting them as an example and telling they're ambitious little freaks who only wants MONEY from guys of other nations is not fair. i just don't get the point. i know so many pinays married with foreigners but the only thing they want was love. love. and only love. not by being mean but this is inappropriate way of telling the opposite side of a thing. try new way to avoid offending people. God bless.
At least offer a good tip, rather than a pointless/obvious one.
My tip would be to stay away from the Philippines and its women altogether...
REST IN PEACE REFUGEE
RIP refugee....i know you soul will go to hell.
My soul is uplifted for telling the truth. The truth is too much for some people to accept because they find it too confronting...
AN IDLE MIND IS A DEVIL'S PLAYGROUND
R.I.P REFUGEE
God has given us brains for us to make wise decisions and choices. Whatever that choice may be, we have the sole responsibility to face the consequence that comes along with it unless we are in any way forced or coerced to do or choose something against our will. Therefore, we really can't blame someone when something goes wrong. The way I see it, pointing finger at someone without reliable basis and intensive investigation is a sign of insecurity and immaturity.
Since we are all interconnected, the responsibility should now be shared by both parties.
People have always something to say whether it's logical or illogical, objective or subjective and good or bad. Be wise in using our mouth. It can either make us or destroy us.
By the way, I'm filipina, single at the age of 32 and marrying a foreigner isn't my way of getting rich. I work hard to get what I want. I can very well provide for my own and my family as well. I'm proud not because I'm a filipina but because I'm a human being who don't compromise my moral values in return of money.
I'm new here so I'm still learning about this site. Please excuse my grammar coz I'm not really good in English. Have a great day everyone and be blessed. Lots of smile from me :)
God has given us brains for us to make wise decisions and choices. Whatever that choice may be, we have the sole responsibility to face the consequence that comes along with it unless we are in any way forced or coerced to do or choose something against our will. Therefore, we really can't blame someone when something goes wrong. The way I see it, pointing finger at someone without reliable basis and intensive investigation is a sign of insecurity and immaturity.
Since we are all interconnected, the responsibility should now be shared by both parties.
People have always something to say whether it's logical or illogical, objective or subjective and good or bad. Be wise in using our mouth. It can either make us or destroy us.
By the way, I'm filipina, single at the age of 32 and marrying a foreigner isn't my way of getting rich. I work hard to get what I want. I can very well provide for my own and my family as well. I'm proud not because I'm a filipina but because I'm a human being who don't compromise my moral values in return of money.
I'm new here so I'm still learning about this site. Please excuse my grammar coz I'm not really good in English. Have a great day everyone and be blessed. Lots of smile from me :)
God has given us brains for us to make wise decisions or choices. Whatever that decision may be, each person has the sole responsibility of facing the consequences that come along with it. Therefore, we can't really put the blame on someone if things went wrong. The way I see it, pointing finger at someone without reliable basis shows insecurity and immaturity. We sometimes stoop down to the lowest level in order to prove a point.
People have always something to say whether it's logical or illogical, objective or subjective and good or bad. Our views of the world are mainly influenced by our personal experiences. Sometimes we have to set it aside in order to see the subject in all angle.
What comes out of our mouths also comes out of our heads. That's why we need to guard our thoughts against ignorance and biases. Remember that a toungue can either make us or destroy us so be wise in using it. Be wise in using all God-given gifts.
By the way, I'm filipina, happy living as single at the age of 32. I work hard to get what I want so marrying a foreigner isn't my way of becoming rich. I can definitely live on my own.
Please excuse my grammar coz I'm not very good in English. I'm also new to this site but I already learned a lot by merely reading the comments. Thank you for this interesting and entertaining topic. Have a great day ahead and be blessed! Lots of smile from me :)
God has given us brains for us to make wise decisions or choices. Whatever that decision may be, each person has the sole responsibility of facing the consequences that come along with it. Therefore, we can't really put the blame on someone if things went wrong. The way I see it, pointing finger at someone without reliable basis shows insecurity and immaturity. We sometimes stoop down to the lowest level in order to prove a point.
People have always something to say whether it's logical or illogical, objective or subjective and good or bad. Our views of the world are mainly influenced by our personal experiences. Sometimes we have to set it aside in order to see the subject in all angle.
What comes out of our mouths also comes out of our heads. That's why we need to guard our thoughts against ignorance and biases. Remember that a toungue can either make us or destroy us so be wise in using it. Be wise in using all God-given gifts.
By the way, I'm filipina, happy living as single at the age of 32. I work hard to get what I want so marrying a foreigner isn't my way of becoming rich. I can definitely live on my own. I'm proud not only because I'm a filipina but also because I'm a human being who, eventhough has moral and spiritual values, still admits that I'm not perfect. In humility, I strive more to achieve perfection.
Please excuse my grammar coz I'm not very good in English. I'm also new to this site but I already learned a lot by merely reading the comments. Thank you for this interesting and entertaining topic. Have a great day ahead and be blessed! Lots of smile from me :)
wow!!!!! tanfromaustralia (with a narrow mind) is still here insisting on what he believes about filipina girl, AND CORRECTION PLEASE YOU ARE NOT TAN FROM AUSTRALIA YOU ARE TAN FROM VIETNAM WHO IS A REFUGEE IN AUSTRALIA that's your title..... a shame saying you are TANFROMAUSTRALIA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo....... i guess i am right that your ASS WAS KICKED OUT from your work as immigration lawyer as you always say and no one accept you that's why you just sit YOUR BIG ASS IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER TO READ AND ENJOY the comment of the people on your thread. what a life you have poorrrrrr asssss vietkong
I wish i was filipina, becouse accordting to one male i knew he hates all amrican women and only loves filipinas and yet he was born and raised here in the U.S. he told me how he wishes amrican women didn't exsit. and so on. He married a Filipina like he said he would and well I just wish i could be filipina they are perfect he says.
out of all of them here in the Bahamas only one woman who is decent the rest all it is about money so stop people i see what going on my eyes open wide
I've got a job and marriage which I love. You're just a middle aged d!ckhead who doesn't have a life.
1 good story x 4 does not change the very obvious fact that there is a very large cohort of filipinas still entrenched in the desperate desire to hook up with foreigners, primarily American men. We have read posts on this board and others of pinays in Mid-East, Canada and Australia dropping their stepping-stone bfs as soon as a hook-up with an American materializes, no matter how much OLDer he is. So please stop feeding us this crap about them deserving to be scammed for being old, fat and ugly. We ain't buyin' it. All roads lead to the USA for these pinays. @Lou Valentino is right, the Americans left PH a long time ago. In fact the last ship USS Belleau Wood, left on November 24, 1992. Yet, these pinays can't seem to let go of the Clark and Subic days. Get a grip people, look at what has become of your country these past 20 years! And you are still jumping all over this board arguing with foreigners? This is so pathetic, for lack of a better word.
From Asia to the Mid-East and now to the Bahamas, we are reading about how pinays go around F'ing other women's husbands, setting up their little whore houses in family neighbourhoods right next door to decent family homes, re-creating their little commemorative Clark and Subic shrines in public places of OFW host countries, to the point where businesses have to close early because there are so many whores and johns in the area, decent people don't come to shop any more. Why would these pinays expect to be winning any popularity contests in foreign countries???
Even those educated and decent PH people given to logic and reasoning have conceded that it is impossible even for they themselves to tell a good pinay from a bad egg. How long before they know? Till the couple has grandchildren. Erm let's see...that will be give and take 40 years?! Who wants to take this kinda risk hands up please. Not me. Not @TanfromAustralia. Not quite many others on here that's for sure. So what do we do in order to be 100 percent safe? We stay away from ALL of you. Fair enough?
The whole world is watching how a pack of pinays and their cohorts ambush and attack @TanfromAustralia, the same way they ambush and attack foreigners who are scammed into being perpetual ATMs, entrapped into surprise pregnancies, pressured into "doing the right thing" - which means hurting their own wives and children to take in the poor pitiful pregnant pinay with her yet to be born illegitimate bastard child. (BTW this was what happened to my family member 20 years ago.) What's the common denominator between @TanfromAustralia and all those other foreign men? They are all honest, caring and good-natured. For being so honest in telling the full story of his life and family background, @TanfromAustralia is now being vilified and attacked for being a lawyer, for being an Australian, for being a refugee etc., etc. and etc... FB likes are now at 145, up from 116 about a week ago, and 56 a month ago. Who doesn't enjoy watching a fight. That's why people pay to watch WWF, UFC, even cock-fighting in some SEA countries. And who do we think are Liking this board on FB. Not the pinay whores and their pimps I suppose, as they would rather nobody talks anything bad about them. It's foreigners getting a good eyeful of the insipid games these pinay whores and pimps choose to play over and over. Do yourselves a favour and stop making such a mockery of yourselves, will you. I do not doubt many already had an eyeful of that Ethel Daguyo video - yes that's a live link if someone googles Philip Short. Pinays are such well-honed pros at age 16?? No wonder so much have been said about what they do on cam. For a free laptop sent by a foreign man, they would do anything, wouldn't they.
And don't think men really think all Asian women are like pinays. Here's a quote from one on another board - "Of all Asian woman in the entire world, Phillipinos are the worst, they are the absoute junk food equivalent to the Asian woman industry." I am quoting verbatim.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you for adding a rational, analytical perspective to this debate as well as understanding my own perspective.
You are welcome @TanfromAustralia. It is never difficult to state the truth like it is. People trying to argue against it have resorted to all sorts.
@objectivelyspeaking,and now youre a herooooooooo!!! yeahhhhh.....who caresssssss?????you both are racist.no wonder........i dont care about whores ..what i care is those people who are innocent,but this tanfrom vietnam generalizes all pinays...and thats not fair.
I knew that was coming from somewhere. No I am not a hero because I am not narcissistic, and this is not elementary school. One of you stated further up on this board that pinays are considered "heroes" in whoring for their country and family . If I were you @xxx, I wouldn't get me started on that.
Oh no, not this "racist" accusation being brought up again.
If I said that I also hated Russian, Vietnamese and Chinese scammers (which I do), would that make me a "racist", too?
There is only so many times that the word "racist" can be used before it gets ridiculous.
Filipino people tend to be such liars that they are expert at twisting the truth to suit their agenda...
And I don't generalise "all" pinays as whores.
I say that most pinays are whores, at least from a cultural perspective. It is how they are brought up.
By the way, just to update everyone on my best friend's situation....
He is still determined to go through with this phony marriage to his pinay whore, despite my warning and protest. He begged me to help his whore with her visa application and I reluctantly agreed.
Last week, he was determined that she be introduced to me, so he set up a webcam chat for the three of us to participate in. I rolled my eyes in disdain.
When the whore came on the computer screen, I had to plaster a fake smile on my face to disguise how much I detested her. She was reasonably attractive, but appeared shallow and fake by having a highly emotive facial expression and she kept on using the words "darling" and "honey" all the time when addressing him.
When my best friend left the computer for a moment, she checked me out and attempted to flirt with me. I am a very good looking guy and a bodybuilder. She flirted with me despite knowing that I am married and her fiancee (my best friend) was nearby. I found her behaviour disgusting, but I did not let it show on my face.
I have to hide from her how much I detest her, because I don't want her to ruin my friendship.
After our webchat, I had to smile secretly to myself. The whore does not know that she will be forced to sign the prenuptial agreement that I myself drew up, the prenuptial agreement that was solely my idea and which my friend has agreed to.
She does not know what will be awaiting her when she gets to Australia.
I am also going to hire an international private detective to dig into her background and her past.
I am already 2 steps ahead of her.
@Tan hey on this one. You have to do what you must do. Save your best friend from that fake lover. Filipinas like that is really a disgrace.
Tell your friend not to rush things, like getting the girl and marrying her.
One person from Bahamas..mmmm. Are you really that kind of person? Stupid?
One person doing a slutty gesture does not represent a whole country.
How many home-made porn movies have you seen so far? Have you seen white people, other Asian having videos like that too?
Oh by the way. You can edit videos already, put captions and voice-overs.. In case you don't know. Not saying that is fake though..
Filipinos are reacting here because of continuous slandering, generalizing.
That, we can't accept.
If you want stay away from Filipinos good or bad then do what you have to do.
Warn people? Fine...Go and spread the word!
If you really think that the world's perception to Filipinos are really bad then what's this awareness thing for?
If you are not Filipino, stay away from us and from our problem.
I for one can't do anything about it. GOOD THING, I have never encountered narrow-minded people (yet). Americans, Indians, Koreans, Malaysians, Arabs..
And what I can't accept is constant deflecting.
As you rightly say that one slutty gesture does not define a whole country, it is the very values and culture of that very country which causes your people to act that way.
And it is not "one slutty gesture". If it was "one", there would not be so much information on the internet about this subject matter.
There you go and bullsh!t again.
whatever psycho
Insignificant and just a past time at best :)
"I am a very good looking guy and a bodybuilder." -Tan
Tangina hindi nga? hahaha! That's what you call bullsh1t!
maybe he should put his pics, so that people can see what he looks like..if he is really a good looking and a bodybuilder man...(opposite)????hahahhahahahapathetic........
I have never been to LOS but will be visiting soon. I have spent considerable time in Vietnam & after reading most of the Stickman site I believe that there are many similarities between the two cultures. I hope my submission may interest some Stickman readers.
I’m a 33 year old Aussie male who visited Vietnam for the first time approx two years ago. A completely naive newby would be the best way to describe me back then as it was my first SE Asian experience. I had a few short business transactions with some of Saigon’s sexiest bar girls & quickly became infatuated with Vietnamese women. Two weeks later, I found myself in a disco bar in the city of Danang. It was here that I met Thuy. She was the most beautiful girl I had ever seen & her smile melted me straight away. She spoke very little English but seemed keen to know all about me, using friends as translators as we asked each other questions. At the end of that night on my way home, Tin (my employed tour guide for several days) who had been at the bar with me made a huge point of letting me know that Thuy had told him “He is really nice man” & “I hope I see him again”. Inspired by this news, we again visited the same bar the next night.
Thuy worked in the bar as a hostess & dancer. When she danced (clothes on), most of the men in the bar had their chins on the floor, me included. When not dancing she moved from table to table around the bar, joking with the mostly Vietnamese male clientele & encouraging them (& helping them) to consume the overpriced drinks in as rapid a fashion as possible. I was quite chuffed that she spent most of her time around my table that night. As the evening came to a close, one of the Vietnamese patrons advised me that I should choose a girl to go with me back to my hotel for $50 US. I quickly pointed Thuy out to him but was immediately told “Sorry, not that one, Thuy is good girl, never go hotel”. He pushed me to choose again but my infatuation with Thuy was growing & I declined on his offer. Later that night I witnessed the beautiful Thuy being picked up by her parents on the family motorbike. On the way back to my hotel, Tin was very excited, claiming we were meeting Thuy at her request for coffee the next day & that she really liked me.
The next day we met for coffee & enjoyed a nice afternoon learning about each other with help from Tin. I learnt that she was 19, dreamed of marrying a western gent, wanted children, only wanted to love one man all her life, did not like Vietnamese men, did not like young men because they are too crazy, did not want sex until marriage (but was willing to compromise on that, once I convinced her that no western guy will go for that), hated working in the bar but did so to support her family & had never had a boyfriend despite nearly every guy in town trying to date her at one stage. I asked if she had ever had sex & she openly admitted that she had done it only once before, it was for money, but hated it & would never do it again. I was very impressed with her honesty. She asked me lots of questions & I must have given the right answers. Tin & I were invited to her house for dinner & to meet her family. She even took the night off work.
Thuy’s house was in the back blocks of Danang & it was obvious that her family & nearly everyone in the neighbourhood were very poor. We enjoyed a magnificent dinner before I received somewhat of a Spanish Inquisition from her family with the help of Tin’s excellent translation skills. Late in the evening & quite to my surprise, Thuy’s parents announced that they were happy for me to court their daughter but would like for us to spend most of our time together around the family home so they could see the relationship develop. They also told me they were very happy as Thuy had never shown interest in any man before & that had worried them greatly. So I became a somewhat permanent fixture at Thuy’s house & over the next week I fell in love with Thuy. Her humour, beautiful face, melting smile, perfect body, caring nature, family values, honesty, tenderness & grace had won me over in a big way. Her family were very hospitable & I felt like part of the family. I gave the family money so that Thuy did not have to work during my time there, giving us more time together.
Then suddenly over dinner one night, Thuy’s parents announced they were happy for me to marry their daughter. I was a little overwhelmed by this as I was certainly not ready to make such a decision & advised them of this. I was however happy that the announcement had taken place as that night (10 days after we first met) I received my very first kiss from Thuy. Sexual tension was building up inside & I was very pleased a few days later when we got a little steamy kissing each other & Thuy suddenly surprised me with “Yes, Ok, Yes” and a hand gesture indicating that her body parts below the neck were no longer off limits. We had sex for the first time on the concrete floor of the little jail cell she calls her bedroom. She was very shy hiding her body under a blanket as we did the deed. I died & went to heaven, awoke the next day & announced to the family that I would marry Thuy. I felt like the luckiest guy alive.
I spent the next 4 weeks around the family home meeting the extended family & friends, teaching Thuy English & enjoying sex no less than four times a day. One taste & Thuy could not get enough of it. The shyness disappeared quickly. Most nights Thuy’s father would refuse to take me to my hotel & I would spend the night with Thuy, despite a home stay being illegal for foreigners visiting Vietnam. Her father had a policeman friend who warned us when they might come knocking on the door, on which nights I would stay in the hotel alone. Unfortunately it came time for me to return home to Australia for work. I left money so Thuy did not have to work in the bar, could go to English school & get a passport during the four months until I could return. After a very teary goodbye, I returned home & we spoke on the phone every few days. I was impressed by how quickly she was learning English & improvement was evident each time we spoke. I educated myself on the very strict Australian Immigration procedures & decided that I would bring Thuy for a holiday in Australia to meet my family & see how she finds it here.
As promised, I returned to Danang after four months. It took most of the next month to obtain the many various documents required for Thuy’s Australia holiday visa application. I discovered that none of the various government departments in Vietnam could produce the documents we required in a sufficient time frame. I was most pleased with Thuy’s father who moved heaven & earth to obtain the documents we needed. This involved bribing half of the town to eventually be introduced to people who could obtain the documents quickly & then bribing those people to get the documents quickly. It was quite an expensive exercise but we eventually got all of the documents required & the visa approved.
Thuy came to Australia for a one month holiday. She loved it, my family grew to love her & she fitted in very well with my group of friends. We agreed to a course of action for the future. We would start applying for a spouse visa ASAP & once it was through my family would travel to Vietnam for the wedding ceremony. Thuy would then come to live in Australia & we would visit Vietnam at least once every year. Thuy explained that I would have to pay for the wedding & give a cash gift to the family as this was Vietnamese custom. She advised me that approx $5000 AUD would cover all my marriage costs. I had expected such terms & agreed to this amount. It was so much cheaper than an Australian wedding & I figured it was a small price to pay for a lifetime of love & happiness.
This time it took several months to get the visa application together. Again we had to bribe half of Danang to get the various documents & official stamps we required. I was amazed at how difficult coming to Australia is. It would appear you are guilty of everything until you prove yourself innocent when dealing with Australian Immigration.
I had to fund two trips to Ho Chi Minh City for Thuy so she could do interviews & medical examinations. The costs really added up & I hazard to guess it cost me around $4000 AUD all up for the visa in the end. Thuy was growing impatient for the wedding to go ahead, claiming her & her family were constantly defending our relationship to the neighbourhood & extended family who did not believe we would in fact get married. I too was fed up with waiting for the visa, so we set a date for our wedding in Vietnam. I sent over the $5000 AUD we had agreed to & booked flights for my family.
Thuy had never actually asked me for money during all our time together. Then a week before I was to fly to Vietnam she phoned very distressed, claiming she had just been robbed when leaving the bank & had lost $2000 AUD of the wedding money. She was very upset claiming there was not enough money left to pay for the wedding. I couldn’t stand hearing her upset, believed her story & agreed to replace the lost money. My family & I arrived in Danang several days before the wedding. To my surprise, Thuy’s house had had a complete renovation & an extension & was now one of the nicest homes in the neighbourhood. Thuy explained that the family had spent the gift portion of the wedding money on home improvements as they were shy to have my family in their previous dwelling. My family were very impressed with the hospitality provided by Thuy’s family. A fun time was had by all.
Two days before the wedding, Thuy & I went to buy the traditional wedding jewellery. It was a lot more expensive than I thought it would be ($500 AUD) & to my surprise my parents were expected to pay for this. I kept this secret from my family & coughed up the money, a little annoyed at the additional expense but convincing myself it would all be worth it in the end. Then we had to deliver the wedding invites. I could not believe that they leave this so late in Vietnam.
The wedding day arrived & went without a hitch until after the wedding ceremony & reception, Thuy discovered that someone had stolen the money she had put aside for the photographer whom basically was a one stop wedding shop providing the dresses, makeup, hair, elaborate signs, photos, video etc. She was most upset & I begrudgingly agreed to again replace the lost money ($700 AUD). I was keen for nothing to spoil our day so quickly put it out of my mind. After the wedding ceremony & huge reception I returned to Thuy’s house with her family. My family went to the hotel to rest. Upon arrival at Thuy’s house, the immediate family members all piled into Thuy’s bedroom & frantically opened all of our wedding presents which were mostly cash in envelopes. Upon counting the money, the mood of Thuy’s family & Thuy changed for the worse. They were all very upset at the lack of money given. I tried at the time to convince them it was not important but later realised that Thuy’s family were keeping the money & the lack of it was a very big deal to them. Nothing was spoiling my day so I just accepted this & thought to myself “What do I care, they are happy & I am now married to the girl of my dreams.” A few more days were spent with Thuy’s family before we departed on a joint honeymoon / family holiday in northern Vietnam. A great time was had by all & after another teary goodbye, I returned to Australia desperate to get Thuy’s visa approved as quickly as possible.
Several months later & the visa was finally approved. A plane ticket was purchased & I would see my darling in 10 days. Five days later & Thuy phoned me once again very upset. Her mother was in hospital & very not well. She needed an operation that would cost $1000 AUD or she might die. Thuy apologetically told me that she could not leave while her mother was so sick. Desperate to see Thuy again as soon as possible & feeling I should help out as I was now a part of the family, I sent the money with the one condition that Thuy must get on her booked flight for Australia.
5 Days later & she was in my arms. The following months were the happiest of my life. Thuy adapted to life in Australia very well even liking the western food. My family laughed & enjoyed life more than we ever had before. My friends all grew to love Thuy very much. Thuy even became obsessed with my porn collection & we watched them together often. She seemed intent on learning everything she could from the porno queens & replicating it in our own sex life. She wanted to try everything & we did. Life was grand. The gods had favoured me & blessed me with a perfect wife. We never argued & life together was full of laughter. We began planning an Australian wedding ceremony & discussed having children.
Since we had met, I had been sending $150 AUD each month to Thuy’s family as I knew they would be struggling without Thuy’s income. They had never asked for it, but I sent it anyway because I wanted to help my new in laws & I could afford it. Thuy had been in Australia for almost 3 months. Money had become a little tight & I needed to be careful with my expenditure for the next few months. I still sent the $150 to Thuy’s family. Then one day Thuy asked if I could send more money to her family. Grandmother now needed an operation or she would die & the family needed $2000 AUD straight away. This I could not afford & explained this to Thuy. She took the news well & said I had helped her family enough that year & that her family would understand & I was not to feel bad about it. I heard nothing of it again.
There is a large Vietnamese community here in Melbourne & Thuy made many friends with Vietnamese Australians of all ages. Most of them she met over the internet after introductions from mutual friends in Vietnam. She loved the internet & would often be on line chatting with friends long after I had gone to bed. I didn’t mind because she always woke me up for sex when she came to bed. The friends she made mostly seemed good people but I had the feeling a few of the male ones did not like me for whatever reason. I put it down to jealousy. I particularly did not like one guy who often turned up out of the blue at my house & always seemed to want to take Thuy out somewhere without me & leave me home. Sometimes I tagged along just to piss him off. Overall, I was happy that Thuy was making friends here in Australia as it could only help her feel at home & happy.
Then, exactly three months after arriving in Australia, Thuy disappeared without a word, no goodbye, no indication at all she was unhappy, no note, no explanation, no contact details, nothing, bags gone, passport gone, mobile phone on bed, wife gone. I got her mobile phone records & rang the numbers trying to find out anything. Of course nobody knew where Thuy was or why she had left. I contacted Thuy’s family in Vietnam to let them know what had happened. They seemed unconcerned at her disappearance & said she would call me soon. I was certain they knew what was going on.
I contacted Thuy’s friends in Vietnam. Some of them seemed concerned & some didn’t but all claimed to have no idea where Thuy was or why she had left except for one. He started by telling me “Thuy very bad. Thuy never love Andrew. Thuy forever lie Andrew, Thuy mafia girl. Thuy obey, Thuy friends very bad. Andrew forget Thuy. Thuy no good. Andrew careful Thuy friends.” I could not believe what he was saying. He then told me that Thuy had been doing strip shows on my webcam, in my house for her other boyfriends. Sorrow, disbelief & anger engulfed me as I realised this was quite possible.
I tried the numbers in her phone again & to my surprise I discovered that one of her male Vietnamese Australian friends was a member of the local police force here in Melbourne. Thuy had recently made many phone calls to this guy which intrigued me some what. He told me the following, “Thuy was not happy in her relationship with you & that why she leave you. You should believe that & forget about Thuy. Get on with your life. She never coming back”.
“How can I do that, just forget, I love her, I want to see her, where is she?” I replied.
The answer put a shiver down my spine. “You
must forget, you should think carefully & consider the safety of your family & it best you just forget about Thuy. You might be very sorry if you not forget, she not love you anymore, you forget Thuy”. Also you not go back to Vietnam ever again because not safe for you there now. Do you understand what I say to you?”.
“I think so”, I replied feeling quite overwhelmed by the conversation.
“I think you will understand, you should forget Thuy now” he said. “You do not want to meet Thuy new friends. Now I tell you that you must delete my number from Thuy’s phone, if you not do this, you will be sorry, Do you understand?”
I have not deleted the phone number but I don’t know if I will disclose it to the Immigration police if they ever come asking about Thuy. I think not. It is not worth the risk of endangering my family.
I contacted Tin in Vietnam. He was very apologetic as he basically told me the following. “I sorry, I must explain to you now. I not know Thuy very long before I meet you. I think then she is good girl but now I know she very bad girl & her family very bad people. Thuy family are big brother in her neighbourhood & her sister did marry mafia man. Everybody here is afraid of them. They very greedy & never share wealth with anybody. I very sorry Thuy lie to you. She is family business & many rich men here be her lover. I see many men come & go from her bedroom. I sorry. One guy even like 50 year old. I sorry”.
By now I was seething in rage & told him he was a total bastard for not telling me before now.
He said “I sorry, Thuy family give me money to keep all secret. They give money many people to keep all secret. I poor man. I need money. I sorry. You know she have mobile phone here but she hide from you”.
I asked him if he knew where Thuy would go. He replied “I know it true that Thuy have many Viet Keiu (Vietnamese who live in the west) boyfriends, they come here holiday & Thuy be boyfriend to them. I think Thuy have many friends in Australia & maybe have other guy waiting for her there. Now I help you so you know truth so now you send me $100 please & I find out everything more for you”.
“F@#k Off” was my quick reply.
I have heard nothing from or about Thuy since she disappeared 3 months ago. Her family & friends all ignore me or tell me to get lost when I enquire about her. Not one of her supposedly concerned friends here in Australia has enquired about her, despite supposedly not knowing where she is & promising to call me if they heard from her even just to let me know she is ok. Her visa has been cancelled & she is illegally in Australia now (I think, she could have gone home). I assume that she is still here, selling her body to rich Viet Keiu men & making some big dollars for her family. I will probably never know for sure.
For most of the past three months since Thuy disappeared I have been a complete mess. My heart was full with anguish & rage. Thoughts of revenge frequented my mind. My will to be a good person to others is no longer constant. I lost faith in myself, love, goodwill & the world. I felt overwhelming guilt at the pain I have brought my family. They all loved her so much & have struggled emotionally with her disappearance. I felt overwhelming embarrassment at allowing myself to be fooled in such a big way. These feelings have subsided somewhat but the emotional scars will probably always remain with me to some extent. I will never be the same person as before, for better or worse I am not sure.
I think back on things & ask myself questions about how I feel now. Do I wish that I never met Thuy? The answer would have to be NO. For nearly two years I was the happiest I have ever been in my life. The time I spent with Thuy was the most enjoyable relationship I have ever had with anyone. For a short time I did enjoy having the perfect wife, something most men will never experience. She had the looks & body of a model or an Alpha girl as Dana would put it & many men worldwide will only ever dream of shagging something so fine. Perhaps I am lucky to have been her Perfect Fool. The crash landing was very painful but the flight itself was a most amazing experience that I would trade for nothing. I do wish I had not lost quite so much money along the way. I was in love & it felt wonderful. The fact I was in love with a fictitious character being acted out by a very convincing actress does not change the fact that I was in love. I will always love the girl she pretended to be. I somewhat admire the girl she really is. The girl deserves an Oscar. She even gave me breakfast sex & a massage on the day she disappeared. Perhaps she did love me & has been forced to leave me by her family or other influences. Perhaps what I believe about her now are lies told to help me forget & not want to chase after her. I doubt it very much. Too many things fit that suggest I was scammed from the start & she was a willing participant.
Would I have done things differently given another chance? Of course I would. I have learnt a lot from the experience & from reading Stickman. There were signs I should have picked up on along the way but chose not to. I will list a few here for anyone currently considering or actually in a relationship with a Vietnamese girl.
1.) I’m just an average, not wealthy, not good looking guy. She is exceptionally beautiful & she could have anyone in the world she wanted so why would she choose me to fall in love with.
2.) Nobody else in Thuy’s family seemed to work at all. I should have realised that Thuy could not support the whole family on a good girl's income.
3.) One person in Vietnam did advise me to be very careful in dealing with Thuy’s family & Thuy. This was not sour grapes at my relationship with Thuy. It was smoke & there was fire.
4.) Thuy claimed to know nobody except me in Australia. There is a huge Vietnamese population here, many of who make regular visits to Vietnam & it was very unlikely that Thuy would know none of them.
5.) When I was in Vietnam, Thuy was often reluctant to take me on shopping expeditions & left me at her house, claiming we would pay more for things if I tagged along. She often took what seemed an exceptionally long time on these shopping expeditions. Insist you tag along everywhere your girl goes. I believe now that saving money was not the true reason for me being left at the house.
6.) Thuy seemed to receive romantic gifts from other men regularly. She told me not to worry as these men were just friends or men who wanted to date her & she only loved me & would never give love to another man. Don’t be the perfect fool like me & believe her.
7.) She was just too perfect in the way she behaved & treated me. That perfect, she had to be pretending much of the time. Too good to be true.
8.) She made strong friendships with people very quickly upon arriving in Australia. It did seem like she had been friends with many of them for years from her interactions with them. She had known them for years.
9.) The first friend she made in Australia is male & filthy rich. Considering that Thuy’s family are so poor, this did seem a little odd.
10.) Once in Australia Thuy seemed overly keen to be home alone whenever possible despite often having other alternatives thrust at her. I wonder how many other men have been in my bed & how many times she was naked on my webcam? Funnily enough, the 2 weeks before she disappeared, she was rarely home alone as my brother in law lost his job & was home everyday. I think this fact & my evident dwindling bank account somewhat brought about her sudden disappearance as she no longer had free time for other lovers / customers effecting her family's income.
11.) I met her in a bar. Good girls do not work in bars. I really was kidding myself from the start.
I also have the following words of advice for anyone considering or actually in a relationship with a Vietnamese girl.
1.) Beware of the good girl. If she seems over the top perfect then she is probably acting to some degree. The Vietnamese are very aware of what a western man looks for in a good girl & very adept at pretend
ing to be that good girl.
2.) If she is very beautiful, then just about every man in the world is interested in her including the unsavoury powerful people who really run the show in Vietnam. If her family are poor & don’t seem to work, then it is quite likely that they are a family of farmers who have lived for generations breeding, leasing & selling their daughters to provide a majority of the family income. Your girl may have even already been sold or leased to the mafia to pay off family debts. The mafia may be controlling your girl’s every action for their own financial gain. Daughters are like cattle to many poor Vietnamese families. Religion & fear are used to control the cattle. Sadly the daughters know no better & are often thrust into prostitution before they are old enough to make decisions for themselves (even before puberty). I know this because I have had several pre pubescent girls offered to me during my time there. I never accepted.
3.) If you have a reasonable size Vietnamese population in your home country, then you are probably being dragged into a well organised immigration scam aimed at getting the cream of Vietnam’s working girls into the west where they can make a considerably better income for their families with the added bonus of fleecing you of your life savings in the process. I very much believe these scams exist & that is what happened to me.
4.) If you are being scammed, it is highly unlikely that any Vietnamese person will warn you about it at all. They will stick together & enjoy helping to deceive you. Some will profit from it.
5.) Many Vietnamese people are extremely racist. They do not like westerners. In fact, many despise us, but all love our money. When they smile at you or befriend you, they are angling for money & that is all. They do not like you really. When they laugh with you, they are probably laughing at you & the fact they are deceiving you so well. They are deceiving you all the time & hence are always laughing.
6.) I would not say to avoid a relationship with a Vietnamese girl altogether but instead milk the situation in your favour until the big expenses start coming around. Enjoy the sex, enjoy being spoiled by your little princess & her family. Enjoy the love she shows you. Always remind yourself that this is not a permanent thing & do not allow yourself to dream of a long term future together. Drag it out as long as you can without spending too much money, or getting married, or buying expensive visas to bring her back to your country. When the big expenses come around, play the poor man & don’t help the family out. Once she thinks the money has run out, so will she most likely. If the relationship is meant to be, it will survive anything. Give it a long time (maybe five years or more) before allowing yourself to believe the relationship may last forever.
7.) Ask yourself, before meeting your girl, were you lonely, were you longing for love, were you a little sex deprived, have you suffered depression, are you recovering from anything emotionally. Yes to any question & you are very vulnerable. Vietnamese scammers will sense your vulnerability immediately & target you. They are on the lookout for you always.
8.) Do not feel sorry for any Vietnamese person because they are poor or forced into prostitution or for any reason whatsoever. Your empathy is their biggest weapon & will be used against you for the purpose of extracting money.
9.) Do not be generous with your money. Once you are seen to do so, word will get around & you will be targeted even more so. I know now I was way too generous to Thuy’s family & most other people in Vietnam with the money I gave them. Too much & too often. The perfect fool. I also now realise that I paid way too much for almost everything in Vietnam to the financial gain of Thuy’s family & others.
10.) Do not allow yourself to believe anything a Vietnamese person tells you. They gain face among friends when they successfully deceive westerners & get much enjoyment from lying to you about anything & everything. Remember always that many Vietnamese people truly despise you but love your money. They will team together to deceive you & get that money. You should not trust them easily.
11.) Vietnamese men have very small dicks & you will not be able to tell if they are frequenting the same places as yours is. Hmmmm, I know you are hurting, but this comment is probably invalid, at least about the places they frequent and the reasosn for doing so - Stick
I can certainly say, that the majority of the things people complain about regarding the LOS on this site, also exist in Vietnam. The naughty nightlife is a lot more discreet & the Vietnamese police never seem to hassle westerners being the only real differences that I can see from what I have read on Stickman about LOS. Tiered pricing, hundreds of scams, racism against westerners, hotel scams, bill padding, deceit, lies, theft, bridal scams, sin sot, drugging, mugging, stupid people & corruption all abound in Vietnam.
Finally I want to defend the newbies who get scammed by Asian girls. While many Stickman readers are quick to label them stupid fools, I would guess that many of those readers were actually stupid fools themselves some time in the past. I can understand how many may have become so hardened by their own experiences, that they no longer feel compassion for anything & anyone. Others would be lucky enough to learn enough about the world prior to have avoided being scammed altogether & should feel lucky about that. It is very easy for a newby to get taken for a ride by a beautiful Asian girl, as they do not know any better & do not know what a Stickman reader knows. Many newbies are good people willing to have faith in & trust other people until proven otherwise. I do not think such people are losers for being that way. Some compassion should be shown towards them.
So here I come to Thailand. My lust for Asian females is now overwhelming. Caucasian girls no longer appeal. I’m smarter, stronger & ready to meet all the good, the bad, the beautiful & the ugly that Thailand can offer. I’m ready for another pretend love affair & all of the pleasure that comes with it. This time I too will be pretending. There will be no marriage, no sin sot, no large donations to families, no expensive gifts, no permanent visas to Australia, no real love this trip & there is a good chance there never will be. Of course, that is for the girls to figure out themselves unless I get sick of them first. I’m excited about pretending to be the complete newby to be targeted & where it may take me. Can I pull it off I wonder?
I wonder just how many good willed western men are deceived by Asian girls & then become hard, cold & intent on playing their own games of deceit with Asian girls. I wonder how many good willed Asian girls get deceived by those western men & then become hard, cold & intent on deceiving all western men they encounter. Is it a never ending crazy circle of life, creating masses of cold hardened deceitful Asian girls & cold hardened deceitful western whore mongers?
I am sure that many Stickman readers will have objections to some of the opinions I have put in this submission. They are my opinions based on my experiences & that is all. I have generalised & stereotyped on the Vietnamese population to a large degree. Of course there are decent honest hard working Vietnamese people in the world. I just have not met a single one yet among the hundred or so Vietnamese persons that I have spent any amount of considerable time with, although nearly all of them did a very good job of pretending to be honest, decent people & my friend. All of them have either been part of the deception to which I was victim or ripped me off or lied to me at some time. Sad but true. So my opinion of Vietnamese people is not a good one. That is natural, as I come from a society where trust & honesty are highly regarded traits. A society slowly being polluted by mass immigration from other societies where saving face is more important than these ideals, I should add.
I hope my submission may
save the next Perfect Fool some of the heartache, anguish & expense that I have endured or at least help them on the road to emotional recovery in some way for those finding Stickmanbangkok.com too late, like I did.
Lastly I would like to commend the Stickman on a most awesome site. I, like many, wish I had found it several years ago & think every travel agent in the western world should be forced by law to recommend Stickmanbangkok.com to all travellers heading for SE Asia. I have read it front to back & its content has greatly helped me come to terms with my recent experiences. You should not underestimate how much your site can help the recovery of a western man who has been scammed, had his heart broken & left an emotional mess by an Asian lover. Thanks Stickman.
Observation:- Several tales about revenge crimes by bar girls on westerners have been posted (By bar girls trying to scare the deceitful westerner I suspect) but I can’t recall any about westerners who get some revenge on their deceitful bar girls & their families.
That must have been an bad experience to go through.
@TanfromAustralia - Hiring a detective to thoroughly check out your best friend's filipina is an absolutely necessary precaution, in addition to the pre-nup. Just a thought...since she already has the audacity to flirt with you as soon as your best friend's back is turned, one can only imagine what she'll likely do once she sets foot in Australia.
You know what's up her sleeve but the next unsuspecting guy will not. What if the next guy is a married man with a young family. What are the chances of recording evidence of her flirtations with you to show your best friend. If he then changes his mind about marrying her, wouldn't it be better that she doesn't enter Australia at all through your best friend? It may well spare an innocent wife and her kids from life-changing devastation like what my family member has to suffer. In my mind, this is not about prevention being better than cure. There is no cure. Only prevention.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yeah, I felt that her flirting with me was sickening. I would never betrat my wife nor best friend in that way, ever.
I do have a plan in motion on how to deal with this scammer whore once she arrives in Australia.
The prenuptial agreement and the money I will spend on the private detective are wedding presents to my best friend, considering that it is a phony marriage.
But I have to be extremely careful to not let the whore know how much I detest her.
Since my best friend asked me to prepare her visa application, I toyed with the idea of sabotaging her application so that it would be refused. However, that is too wrong ethically, so I will get the application approved for her.
However, there are a number of things she told him about her background that I suspect are false, so I am getting the private detective to come up with proof. This, I hope, will be what it takes for my friend to withdraw her visa application so she does not set foot in Australia.
I have the whole thing carefully planned out.
All sounds good @TanfromAustralia. Being in your position can't be easy. As we stand on good ethical and moral ground, the truth will find its own way out. I always believe in that.
Good Luck! Stay away from Filipinos and the Philippines. That's the best thing to do!
Good Luck! Stay away from Filipinos and the Philippines. That's the best thing to do!
well if you love a filipina thepinoystore.com is worth a look at
Yeah, it is like a "store" where you buy things with money. Filipino people resemble products...
Yeah, it is like a "store" where you buy things with money. Filipino people resemble products...
bitterness is killing you
Filipino people can all be bought. The price is quite cheap...
And the truth is killing you...
nah!
You are a Vietnamese if:
You look older than you really are.
You're racist.
You think you're superior to other Asians.
Your parents think you're the worst kid.
Your parents compare you to 4.5 nerds and call you stupid.
You show your Viet-pride to the fullest.
I speak you listen I look wide open my eyes. you understand? Stop all the lies. Even I cannot understand what I am saying. I am not professional with this. Can you comprehend @objectivelyspeaking. You and tally the same person as you can only understand what she is saying. Stupid. They all the same. You and him just put a gun in your head.Problem solved.
The filipino people should only marry themselves and financially support themselves.
Problem solved.
Not our problem =) That's your problem =)
As long as other nation find us beautiful.. Sorry just kill yourself. problem solved.
But why is your problem going to be everybody else's problem...?
Filipinas can be beautiful, but very, very cheap. Just like a cubic stone that passes for a diamond.
It only takes a few dollars to buy a filipina. It costs way more money to buy a can of coke.
Pay the filipina with a can of coke. Problem solved.
Oh really?? If we were so cheap how come we go for rich men and not some kinda Vietnamese refugee like you? They can only afford coke? I don't think so..
MY PROBLEM?? Oh no.. I'm not cthe one who's complaining and whining here..mmmm and they don't have problem too..
Me to my sweet rich american husband: Honey baby can you make that filthy dog to stop barking at his own shadow..
Rich american husband: Of course my Queen..
I LOVE IT :)
Do you have a problem with that refugee?
You are so in love with us that you can't stop thinking about us..hahahaha! I love it..
Get over yourself. You're so "beautiful" that you girls fight yourselves over a 60 year old man. Some prize, huh?
I can't imagine what it must be like to have sex with a 60 year old and pretend to enjoy it, can you?
Filipinas tend to be very popular amongst 60 year old men because they prefer you as a last resort because you are so desperate whores that you accept anything with 2 legs.
These men already gave their youth to other real women of substance.
You girls are just whores that these men turn to as a last resort. You should keep things in perspective. Remembers that beggars can't really be choosers.
"Age doesn't matter" to whores. It only matters to real women of substance and pride in themselves.
He might be 60 but compared to your d!ck? I can't imagine myself sucking a refugee's filthy toothpick-size c0ck.
Now you know the reason. His (even not hard) is way bigger than yours. Get over it.
He might be 60 but compared to your d!ck? I can't imagine myself sucking a refugee's filthy toothpick-size c0ck.
Now you know the reason. His (even not hard) is way bigger than yours. Get over it.
I can't ask for more.
So long small dicko sicko.
I hope your wife enjoys your "barely there", "hard-to-tell-coz i-can't-feel-anything" thingie
I can't ask for more.
So long small dicko sicko.
I hope your wife enjoys your "barely there", "hard-to-tell-coz i-can't-feel-anything" thingie
I married a filipina who I met in the Philippines while I was working as an Expat. She's a lawyer. I consider her as an alpha female of her generation so are her friends. well educated, sophisticated, hard working and came from the middle-class families (yes, there is a middle class in the philippines) they are liberated but at the same time maintains good social and moral standards. they are not rare, but are usually harder to persuade to date a foreign guys. It has something to do with pride. Pinays in philippines are being looked down upon by their fellow filipinos when seen dating foreigners. I blame it on the cheap pinays who scavenge for blue passport and chucky change from their white lovers who ruined their filipinas reputation around the world and dragged the good filipinas with them. You don't see these alpha-pinays on hooker bars nor on dating sites. They have a life and a job that they do not have time and interest to advertise themselves. And they are hot enough to not need any advertising. I took her to the US with me, but she saved up more than enough money so she can get units from stanford law. She refuses to accept monetary support from me while she was going through the transition, but she would take it from her family back in the philippines if she needed to, which offended me at first, but now I understand as she later explained. She does not want me to have an impression that she's leeching for my money. We have been together for almost 10 years now and we have 3 children. And though I can fully support her and our kids and give them a comfortable life with my own income, she insisted on taking on a job. She likes being financially independent and giving her contribution to our household. To my surprise, she avoids to hangout and be associated with her filipinos, according to her that she's been warned before coming here, they are trouble magnets, which is true in most cases.
so please people, stop generalizing these women. I've know a good bunch of them in the philippines.
And to the whiny blokes that got scammed and used, you have nobody to blame but yourselves for using your head below first before your head above (the one that has the brain).
Very nice post. @Neon A recipe for a good, strong relationship. Mutual and self respect!
Best wishes to you and your family.
@Hotfilipina:
It just comes down to whether you think that sucking 60 year old d!ck is worth it...for anything.
@neon youre the lucky one..your story proves that not all pinays are scammers,that some people here stated that pinays are all whores and cheap...generelizes, that PHILS is the place of cheap people, that you can only buy for a price of coke?????this is disgusting..whores are everywhere,,,,,
hi long story short hi i live in new zealand and meet this young girl called thirteen her real name23 and i was 50 2008 meet her on cherry blossoms she had 1 year old we boy i sent her $15000 new zealand dollars over 1 year period before i finally got to fly to meet her in manila then i went to gingoog city to meet her mum and found out her brother was in jail for 15 years for selling drugs i paid a lot of money to get him out after a lot of money and stress to get her her to new zealand some philippin freinds got her a job well after 2 weeks she casued alotof trouble with her freind that got her the job then she told all these lies about me saying i took all her money and would not feed her all lies igave her everything then i found out she was having sex with some men at her work and borrowing money off them as well then unbeknowen to me she had this young phillipino boyfreind who she was also screwing after we applied for residency after 1 year it got declined becasue she hadint renewed her nbi police clearance whhich we could easily have got strange after that 2 days later she left me then i get a bang on my door from police to say that they were having me up for beating her up she even had the brusies on her arms to prove it cos i was really scared because how dould i explain that but she did them her self or got her boyfreind to help her all becasue when she first arrived in new zealand another freind of ours told her she got residency becasue she told immagration and immagration gave her residency on those grounds so thirteen thought she could do the same thirteen use to say she was working overtime on sundasy and at night well she never diid any ovetime at her work and they dont work sundays any way the police interviewed me and decided not to prosecute me but i had to go to 12 1 hour anger managent courses for something i never ever done is done so much for thirteen and her famiy gave her heaps an heaps of money and cloths and shoes so i decide to tkae thirteen to court to prove my innnosense which also cost me alot of money after 3 months of fighting thirteen through the courts thirteen finally withdrew the protection order thirteen went back to the phillipines un beknowen to me that she was preganant and had a baby i actually found this out after she went back to the philippines i worked it out she was living with me when she was 2 months pregnant but not my baby cos i had a vesectamy i still havint goton over all the lies and deceit and are still very saddened at this whole episode all i was guilty of was loving this girl and gave her everything and she nearly took my soul
@fairlanes..thats all your fault,why did you let your money run for her love???you should stop giving her money from the beginning if you know that this thirteen is just want your money...you let it happen yourself..you know that there is alot of scammers elsewhere,there is no money when it comes to love instead. you buy this girl to love you...goodluck next time ...learn from your mistakes....and this thirteen gurl...carma is on the way..dont worry you will still gain what you lost...it will bounce back to her allthe things she did to you.
How the f*ck can you say it was all his fault?!
He did not know this girl was a scammer, so don't add salt to his injury by saying that he knew or should have known.
You have no idea what the f*ck you are talking about as you have no idea how clever these scammers are.
Stop turning the blame back on these men.
blah balh blah ...whatever......im not talking to you so shut the f**k up.....pathetic....
You shut the f*ck up. You have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like an idiot. What personal experience have you had?
There is no such this as "Love" if you used money to get it.
Like I've said, good filipinas are NOT rare. there's a lot of them that belongs in the working class (not bar workers) but then again, they are harder to persuade to date foreigners. I've met almost all sorts of them from different walks of life in the philippines. They are doctors, lawyers, accountants, business women, educators, and other professionals. And these kind of women you don't see on dating sites and hooker bars.
I met my wife in a corporate event. 5'5 tall, long black and straight hair, natural light brown skin, with VS model body and a pretty face, wearing business suit. The sight of her brought me down to my knees. She was only 27 and i was 37. We maintained our "friends status" for about 3 mos, until she became comfortable and finally agreed to date me. We dated for 6 months and was convinced that I couldn't let this wonderful woman go so I proposed to her and got married in 8 months. She didn't come from a rich family but her parents are hardworking and decent, which I truly admire. They haven't asked a single peso from me or from my wife up to this moment. The only large amount I spent on her was for our big wedding (about $10k), which she deserves and was worth it. And for our wedding present, her father transferred a large amount of land in their province in bacolod with a mango farm and small vacation home into our names. Something I didn't quite expect and at this point, I couldn't ask for better in-laws. Even my parents were overwhelmed. My parents were skeptic and worried when I told them I was going to marry my filipina girlfriend, they warned me and tried to discourage me as they have witnessed a bad outcome in one of our family friend.
My story is not an isolated case. I know a few who maintain a good relation (without money involved) with their filipina girlfriends and eventually got married and live a happy life as well. One of them is my best friend who I introduced to one of her friends on our wedding.
It is not fair for these women to be judged just because someone did not have a good ending with their filipina wives. For one, they are stupid enough to believe that money will buy them love. second, they are consciously signing up for a personal disaster when they decided to marry a bar worker or cyber whores. third, what happened
to common sense and intuition?
@vietcong idiot pathetic lawyer...why the f**k should i have to tell you my story.....F**K offfffffff....
You have no story to tell, so stop preaching to everyone, d!ckhead!
I find it totally offensive your comment that men must know they are being scammed.
It sounds as though you are morally or intellectually superior.
When it comes to a clever scammer, there is absolutely no way to know unless these men are psychic mind readers.
And contrary to what you say, most Western men do not marry filipina bar girls. They marry the filipinas who misrepresent themselves as being from a good background.
The men get screwed over nevertheless because most filipinas are basically prostitutes, at least in the way they think.
Unless you've been scammed in that same way, you should shut up your f*cking mouth, @sswipe.
My previous clients have more credible stories to tell than you could ever hope to pull out from your @ss.
Do us all a favour and shut the f*ck up or start to sound like you know what you are talking about.
to hell with you...who cares????? bitter mannnnn..blahh blahhh blahhh....
You don't know what you're talking about, so shut the f*ck up before you make a bigger @ss of yourself.
@Neon I agree with you on that
You will not find decent Filipino women on dating sites and hooker bars.
There are lots of educated women out there and you don't have to go settle for a non-educated and sorry to say this but poor one.
I met my girlfriend in the UAE, She has a managerial position in her company. her family is in the Philippines, have a big house, 3 cars. Her parents are still working, a dentist sister and and engineer brother.
Never did she asked for money and never I have given her as well. I gave her expensive gifts and so does she.
I am planning to ask her to marry me on our 3rd year anniversary.
I met her in a professional world and not in an environment as some of here met their so called whore and gold digger Filipinas.
wow again, still this tanfromvietnam(who is living australia)is here and here comes also his partner objectivelyspeaking, now the 2 of you are happy, you can help to defend each other from those who don't agree with what you preach to people here. and @tally... if you see in your eyes that filipinas are all the same, i see also in my eyes that there are lots of them who are not what you think. so the 3 of you make a life and dont just sit infront of your computer waiting for the comments of people. You 3 sucks, with a bitter, lonely and worse life.
Wow, unbelievable.Thank you ancientijebudespelltemple@gmail.com. I am so happy with the results of this spell I am having another one done for money. What do you think? Is he a nice guy? You just give it a try and you will have the answer. He's one hell of a nice guy. I have talked his ear off on the phone several times for at least an hour. He listens, he hears, but most of all he delivers.Once again JUST GIVE HIM A TRY AND YOU WILL NEVER REGRET THIS. I am Jimmy
Excuse me. I was here months before @TanfromAustralia came on this board. He and I are not the only 2 people who share the same views, and this does not make the 2 of us "partners". For 20 years after my family member and church youth group leader had their lives shredded and terminated respectively in the hands of evil filipinas, I had kept quiet and said nothing. Then I found this board and realized so many more were destroyed the same way. It is time to speak to speak up and bring awareness.
This isn't good for PH as a nation and a people either. The smart and educated people of PH can see this too. In fact, they are victims just like us foreigners. There are some good signs of new opportunities on the horizon to rebuild PH as a nation. To seize these opportunities in the right spirit will be the way to go. Trying to defend an undefendable position by cussing at us foreigners here is not.
Pinays who whore and scam foreign men are "excused" for such behaviour for being down-trodden by every nationality in the world? Truth is, even PH's elite dissociate themselves from their own "trouble magnets". Yet when foreign men who have been hurt and scammed come on this board to share a story to warn others, they are told it is their own stupid fault?? Look again at the title of this board. It says "when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines". This debate is not about whores being in every country in their red light districts. Don't mix it up. Don't try to skew the subject matter. Don't try to deflect.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Very well said. I could not have said it any better.
Like you, I am tired of people turning the blame back on the men themselves for being scammed.
In an ideal world, we all could be psychic mind readers and gain a transparent insight into other people's true motivations.
In this current debate, the most overlooked issue is that clever scammers hide their true intentions very well, so much so that even intelligent and shrewed men do not know what they are getting into...
@TanfromAustralia - Is the real reason for turning the blame back on the men a cunning gag order of sorts on these men? Some people here seem to want the victims to stop sharing their stories for the lack of empathy and lots of salt in their wounds. There is a whole subset of trades fed by this business of whoring pinays to foreigners. The pinoystore website is one example. Don't send money. Just send stuff. All kinds of stuff. Send lots of it. See how easy it is. Secure website to purchase online. We deliver it for you. "If a pinay asks for money, run." Yah, right.
I posted a couple of months back I have not seen consumer goods made in PH in western department stores for years. I went shopping today and saw a name brand dress made in PH. This brand is being made in China for years. Even if it is sub-contracted to PH, it is still a very good thing. But only if the village girls of PH can shake this thinking that whoring pays better and whoring makes them heroes. Whoring pays better in any country! Rich and powerful men are known to pay obscene amounts of money for hi-end escorts and prostitutes in the US, in Europe,in Brunei, if only to flatter themselves that they can. Why do not the women of all nations make whoring a national sport because it is more glamorous than working a real job??
I also came across a capital investment site calling for funds to finance micro businesses in PH. The future is in their own hands. So don't take it out on foreigners like we owe them something, that it is the foreign men's own damn fault to get fleeced and scammed.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Turning the blame solely back on these men also confuses the subject matter of this article.
The focus of this article is about the filipinas who set out to scam men, about the misreprentations they make and their desire to procure marriage for economic and migration reasons and the men as being the real victims.
I noticed a trend in this thread whereby some people revert to blaming the men when they encounter arguments which are not logically or morally defendable.
you know i worried for the once who live in the Bahamas honestly reason because they don't know these men but all hours of the night they have other women husband coming and going and the main fact is it dangerous because they don't know if some of the men they meeting on the street with nice cars are who they really are
i do beleive that, those who testify and proved that filipina are goldigger, scam, and etc, they were the one who have had an experiences that really hurt them so. their mind are close for whatever explanation.
the only thing that will never change is, they have loved a filipina before and trust her so much whom hurt him and turn him down badly.we don't know how deep is the scar but they did and not ready enough to forgive even themselves for falling for them.
but deep in their mind they know the truth, they maybe know their faults and shortcomings and much of all they know that some of them are responsible for what they have got and lost.
we all know what kind of individual we are. if there is someone saying that we are like this and like that we must know where we stand for. we can't ask people to stand for what they hate, don't let yourself to be affected for every bad things you have just red.
and those whom just believe for what others are saying and judging others by their fellows experienced, are idiots and just want to share their nonbase opinions to have nonsense to talk about.
talking to nonsense people are not wise and spending time explaining in them are not worth it. so if you have expressed youself just leave this page and don't open it again, don't let yourself worry for these people who are narrowminded. trust in yourself, believed in yourself and go on and explore.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MAY HE OPEN THE MIND OF THOSE WHO JUDGES OTHERS. MAY WE STAND FIRM FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE AND MAY YOU HELP US RESPECT AND LOVE OTHERS AND UNDERSTAND THEM.
phlippna women onle love yr money bliv me i no alot of think about thim 99 person thy love you for yr money
Wow, so many comments, so many opinions. It is because we are all different human beings. But I must say that I am very impressed with most f the comments here that come from filipinas whom I appen to adore, love, and respect. But who cres about my opinion? No one. So here is my experience. I am 64 years old. I am married to a Filipina who is 31 years old. We are very much in love and I consider myself to be the luckiest man in the world. But let's not get corny here let's address some of the malarchy within this hub. My wife is completely self sufficient. She is in med school and insists on paying for it herself. Once in a while she likes to treat herself to an expensive purse or other feminine goodie. You know, those name brands. She justs shows up with it, pays for it herself. I laugh. She always tells me how much she paid for it but always lies and I laugh. You see, i am retired and am on a limited income. She is the first woman to fall in love with me, the real me. N western woman ever did that. At 62 I found true love. Every day I see the beauty of this incredibly civilized, intelligent, noble, Filipina and am convinced that only a woman from the Philippines could be the way she is.
So yes there are those woman at the Internet cafe, gold diggers and yes, more from the Philippines then any others country, but there are also some pretty horrible American men as well as men from other countries that are getting what they deserve. As for me, filipinas get my vote. And for all you men and women out there that feel a man of 64 can't make a women of any age be it 20, 30, or 50, happy that's your problem, your ignorance. A man or a woman is a precious human being, not a number, not an age. A gentle, classy 65 year old man can make a 30 year old woman much happier then a a selfish, self centered, rude, and inexperienced 30 year old. in my experience I have seen a lot more good men that are over 55 then I've seen Under 40. Women would be much wiser to go for older men in general. The only advice I have is that there is no general rule. Each to his or her own. I Am a believer in that adage you reap what you sew.
@TanfromAustralia - It is a mixed bunch as expected on an online board. Some obviously have a self-serving agenda, some have displayed a first reaction to perceived insult which is natural, some have shown commendable patriotism yet with eyes wide open, some may be just plain clueless.
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Men and people whose families have been wronged are welcome to continue sharing. Let's not forget it is a form of therapy for them too. Let this also be a call to those who want to see things change for the better. The dire results in the last 20 years of sweeping things under the carpet are already here and hurting many.
We do not want to see little satellite Angeles cities mushroom in foreign countries. We want to see PH rebuild itself into a nation their people can claim with pride and dignity. Are the wealthiest nations of the world built on small businesses that power their economies or by their governments? PH is not a communist country where free enterprise is sanctioned. So why wait for the government to provide well-paid jobs? Or blame the PH government for not providing well-paid jobs. Power is in the people. Rather than producing videos on how to be a filipina wife in a foreign country, why not produce videos on how to build small and viable enterprises sans crab mentality. PH has the population to support a domestic market base. Just shed this dependency on foreign provision of employment, money and gifts. Bring back the glory days of colourful dresses and bamboo dances, a flavourful culture that is uniquely PH’s own in Asia. Human traffickers and anyone found tricking innocent village girls into overseas prostitution should be brought to task by a force from within the good people of PH. Make selling oneself in marriage to foreign men for economic reasons UNFASHIONABLE. Right now it is a trend that seems fashionable - I got this one from a post against this trend by a young filipina on another board.
Am I just blowing air in the previous paragraph? Have not the successful post-war Asian countries rebuilt themselves in this way in modern history? So will Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia be doing the same. If PH does not, they will be in danger of owning the reputation of “whore nation” for generations to come. I mean well in what I say, not trying to be presumptuous in telling a whole nation what to do.
As an Asian woman, I want to say to all sex tourists heading to the part of the world where I call my birth place – please stay away. Asian women and children are not cheap little pieces of meat just because they are a little short on money today. If you wish to help financially, please do so through good and proper humanitarian causes and Christian mission work – WITHOUT sex in the equation.
thanks tans from australia for your kind words and also for sticking up for me there are some shallow people out there hhehheheee when i first meet this young girl called 13 i was new at this and first time on internet dating site she was really the only one that kept emailing me so i thought she was genuine so really i just got caught up with the moment and with it all i guess all new and exciting stuff right like all my freinds and family said she was to young and wouldint work right but i guess when u get caught up in it all you are blind to the tru facts its just i think when you are a good person and i have always lived my life trying to be a good person and so u think most people are the same so you have to trust them i guess any way just after all this trouble with this 13 my freind here in christchurch whos also married to a nice philippino wife told me to try again hehehehehe so i did meet this other phillipino girl on cherry blossoms her name was anna she told me she new someone in imagration who would help her and get cheap air fairs to new zealand so stupid silly me sent her nearly $2000 new zealand dollars to her next miniute she does a runner with all my money true so i guess i will never learn so ounce again thankyou for your kind words im not saying that all philippino woman are bad i know there are also a lot of lovely nice genuine ladies there as well but i have yet to meet one
theres good and bad in every race and i guess you have to trust them all untill they do something bad to you funny thing now is im starting to have trust issues now which isint good
@objectivelyspeaking I get where you are coming from. I had long been fighting filipino ignorance and advocating for CoRRECT Philippines movement. True that philippines is not a communist country, but its so called democracy better yet known DEMOCRAZY is not leading my people anywhere. Why the the government does not provide decent paying jobs for its people? Simple, the government itself is being run by the Oligarchs, and the former Oligarch president Corry Aquino did well in just doing by re-writing the Constitution that prohibits foreign investments in the Philippines also know as the 60/40 economic protectionism, whereas foreign investors are only allowed to own 40% of any enterprise. Unlike most countries in Asia. This 1987 Constitution only favors the Oligarchs and the elites, whereas ordinary people became poorer, remained ignorant and brainwashed by the oligarch controlled media. The Oligarchs have been in control of the country for 26 years, they control the prices and the minimum salary. Yes, we have a lot of educated and professional people in my country, but with very incompetent economy, for the sake of providing a better life for their families, they opted to leave and seek for higher grounds. How about the poor people who couldn't afford education for their children? They ended up resorting to prostituting themselves or their children to foreigners in hopes that that will get them out of the sink hole they are in. The government itself is the main contributor of the very low moral and social standards in my country. I condemn these phenomenon and I am trying to do whatever I can to contribute into fighting these and rebuild my nation(please refer to Antipinoy.com and correctphilippines.org). Educating people is just one thing, constitutional reform is another. It makes me sad that after 26 years, how did this nation became so low. But with very few of us, we are still remained unheard and ignored. I am a filipina married to a foreigner but chose to stay and contribute to rebuild that long lost pride of my country.
If you have trust issues with Filipinas then why look for Filipinas? maybe it's more safe if you just have to marry your own race. If you are white, marry a white. If you are Chinese, marry a Chinese, If you are Filipino, marry a Filipino.. In that, if anything goes wrong you have nothing to blame but yourself, your own culture, your own race, your own government, your own country.
There's a problem in the Philippines but aside from the politicians who are busy with their own whatever plans to develop the country, other people are very busy striving for better life ( studying hard, working hard in the Philippines or in other countries). And I might say others are busy hunting for easy money so beware of those people.
@KhayM Amen to that
I would like to share this video for the filipinos who visit this thread. See the dark side of the Philippines, its government and its culture that brought our nation to the down low. I'm not proud to be a Filipino, but I am trying to earn it.
"As an Asian woman, I want to say to all sex tourists heading to the part of the world where I call my birth place – please stay away. Asian women and children are not cheap little pieces of meat just because they are a little short on money today. If you wish to help financially, please do so through good and proper humanitarian causes and Christian mission work – WITHOUT sex in the equation." - by obejectivelyspeaking
@KhayM I may be ashamed with our country's dark side, our government or people who keeps on destroying filipinos reputation but I AM PROUD TO BE A FILIPINO, there are still good traits be proud of. I could be an american citizen but I will never be ashamed where I came from because as I've done nothing to ruin my reputation, my name or my family's name.
@Duh I didn't say I am ashamed, I said I am not proud. To be proud, you have to earn it, WE HAVE TO EARN IT AS A NATION. Pinoy Pride, last I checked is nothing but an empty jar.
Finally, I am starting to hear some good arguments from the filipino perspective.
I respect a filipina who has pride in herself and who can be honest to admit the truth.
Our current president (who is also the son of former president Cory Aquino and author of the 1987 Constitution) just vetoed the Economic Liberalization proposal and he also vetoed any Constitutional Reforms. As a result, more and more filipinos are struggling to get out of the Philippines at any cost, be it their morality and dignity. Soaring inflation rate, rampant injustice, growing poverty, dirty politics, corrupt government, and citizens who deliberately chose to be ignorant than be informed. Heck, who wouldn't want to get out of here when there's a chance? OFWs and other filipino immigrants from around the globe keeps our economy afloat. how ironic that my government believe that that is better than bringing in jobs to my country.
@KhayM Of course you didn't say that. And just to clarify I didn't say anything about you saying that either. Well I agree as a whole nation we will still have along way to go to improve our economy and to change the culture that is instilled on those men and women who still opts for easy money. Some of my husband's friends have filipina wives as well and they too are living proof that there are still Filipino women who are not whores, scammers and gold diggers. Be a good example, be a good influence. We can start from that and hope the rest will follow.
Objectively speaking, kahym, duh, great to hear intelligent people express themselves although, duh, you do not understand khaym. She is nt ashamed of her country no one here is ashamed of their country. You can be proud of ph but as proud as you are you can not say that there is no room for improvement. You can not be so proud as to not notice families living in tricycles or sleeping on sidewalks and bathing in gutter water. Are you proud of that? Oligarch? Grow up. Governments are for politicians, not people. The Chinese top officials are wealthier then the American congress by ten fold. You want to explain that? Grow up. Look what is going on in Syria, egypt, libya, elgiers, Tunisia, occupy wall street. I don't see it happening in PH and never will. You are a gentle people. But if you want to blame government then do something about it. I've been here a year or more. I don't see or hear anyone objecting to anything.
@KhayM A wonderful post!
I wish you the very best. More power to you and those like minded! You deserve our respect.
"I may be ashamed with our country's dark side, our government or people who keeps on destroying filipinos reputation but I AM PROUD TO BE A FILIPINO, there are still good traits be proud of."
This is what I've posted. Again to clarify. I didn't say she's ashamed nor whatsoever said anything by one. i am speaking for myself. I didn't deny there's a problem. And I said we need to improve and it's along way to go and didn't say that we don't need improvement( WE NEED A LOT IMPROVEMENT BY THE WAY). And again, I will in my own little way, can be a good example, a good influence and just hope the rest will follow. That's all I can do for now. And I hope can make a difference
@Zam64 Feel free to read my posts again and are you addressing your last post to me? Did I blame anyone or anybody on my posts?
@Zam64 that's the sad thing about the Philippines. Filipinos do not know how or practice to assert their rights, majority don't even know their rights. That is why you don't see a lot of people speaking up. Another reason is that, most filipinos are not aware of the REAL state of our country, or they simply just don't care. And those who do care and speak up are being bought or silenced for good.
Actually, the revolution happening in different parts of the world already occurred in the Philippines 26 years ago also known as People Power I. Unfortunately, though it was declared victorious, it was not a victory won for the people.
Yes, it is true that nothing will happen in blaming the government. That is why we propose solutions, and do whatever we can do to by educating our fellow countrymen and uplift their morale somehow. That is as far as we can go and hope that in turn, more and more filipinos will support this advocacy for us to be heard. We need at least 40% of the population to be heard. DEMOCRAZY indeed.
The government is for politicians, that is what happening right? As we want the government to be for the people nobody is saying anything or anyone objecting.
@Zam64 Are you american? Kindly educate me with this one, can you say that the U.S government is for the people? Normally people in America voices out what they think should be changed and should be accomplished.
@KhayM very well said. wonderful post.
@duh actually, the government/politicians are for the rich and wealthy and not for the people. that's whats happening here for the last 26 years.
@khayM:
It is quite refreshing to hear an honest perspective from you. It is a lot better than hearing from those people whom are intent on denying the extent of the problem and blaming other people.
Contrary to what some people might think about me, I do not hate the filipino people.
What I do hate is what the majority of the filipino people are doing to themselves, their country, their culture and to the rest of the world.
As a group of people, filipinas deserve much more for themselves than actual and cultural prostitution. Filipinas deserve to be truly happy and have much more choices for themselves other than marrying for economic and migration reasons, because that would be like being confined to a metaphorical prison. Filipinas are entitled to feel as much pride in themselves as their Western counterparts. Filipinas are also capable of achieving and contributing great things through education and economic independence, but this pride only comes when they start to marry for the right reasons and not have to depend on somebody else financially.
When I worked as an immigration lawyer and encountered filipinas in this situation, I hated what they were doing to themselves and to my male clients, but I also felt sad for them.
I like and respect your perspective because it is one of the few that has admitted the prevalence of the problem in your country. You seem to acknowledge (and which I agree with) that not all of your people are like that, but that the problem is so large and common in your country that it has become a cultural phenomenon. The truth is the truth and the truth is what it is. There is nothing to defend.
I am not suggesting that the problems with your country could be fixed quickly or that it would be easy to fix.
What I am saying is that you people owe it to each other and your country to try to collectively fix it up, instead of bailing out and resort to a mass exodus of emigration and depending upon and exploiting foreigners by opting for quick fix solutions. This will only make your country sink deeper.
You need to understand that marriage for economic and migration reasons are not viable long term solutions for your country and your people.
If countries like Vietnam and China, both of which have also had longstanding troubled histories, can transform themselves economically, so too can the Philippines.
However, that would require your people to adopt a different attitude and a more mature and responsible way of thinking. Your problem is your own to fix. Don't make your problem into other people's problem.
@khayM I Couldn't agree more.
However, I still think I am correct by saying that marrying a person solely for migration or economic reasons amounts to prostitution because you are selling yourself for an external benefit.
I say that about anyone who marry for those reasons, not just filipino women.
I also have a dislike for my own Vietnamese women doing it also.
It is one thing to admit that there is a "problem" in the Philippines, but it takes a much more honest person to be able to honestly admit "how big" the "problem" is, so we can all keep it in context and proper perspective.
I think this "problem" is really, really big, and I am not just saying that by drawing on my experience as a former immigration lawyer, but by all of the information I have read on the internet.
It is hard to deny the growing problem in my country. But to criticize the people, it is only fair to criticize the very root of the problem. We were once a great nation, and I still believe that we can be again. We were once way ahead of other countries in Asia, almost next to China and japan, but it saddens me to see where we are now. It is heartbreaking to be honest.
I agree that admitting that there is a "problem" is just the first step, but here's another problem, Filipinos refuse to accept that there is a "problem", in fact, it is being encouraged. Then the question of morality will arise. So what caused the demoralization of these people? It's like a question of what came first, chicken or egg.
Just make sure the filipina u said is descent and not working from bars or past prostitute..If u wanna met a good filipina make sure she is not from Manila.. And are u really sure scammers and bad womans is only from the Philippines? How about Russian, Thai, Vietnam? are u sure that this countries are very very good and perfect compared Filipinas? and are u sure if you not give them good life they will stick to you forever? And i will ask you something? If u are a lady? are u willing to marry a man who cannot give you the good life? Some filipinas leave their foreign partners its also bcause of the attitudes..some foreign are very strict, perfectionist and selfish, thats why they are leaving you, but if you guys are good and talk to each other every single problem,im sure your marriage will last long..
No, I would not marry someone merely because they can give me the good life.
When I was much younger, I had a serious girlfriend whose father was extremely wealthy. He was an investment banker in Singapore and was worth about $200 million.
That girl was very seriously in love with me and wanted to marry me because she loved me and I am a very good looking guy.
Had I married her, I would have been set up for life. However, I knew that we would not be compatible as husband and wife, so I moved on and let her find someone else.
Please don't assume that everybody has the same motivations for going into marriage, as there are people out there like myself who have pride in themselves and therefore approach marriage with genuine intentions.
And your advice about how to make a marriage last does not seem effective in this context when 2 people approach marriage for 2 completely different motivations.
For example, the filipina marries primarily for economic and migration reasons but the Western man marries for genuine reasons.
How can a marriage in those circumstances possibly endure...?
i regret ever marrying one of them they are snakes and very evil only out for your money never ever trust themnever and they are very mean only care about them selves
fillipinas are all scum an low life stay away from them if you want happiness they are evil
@tanfromaustralia
you said
"Please don't assume that everybody has the same motivations for going into marriage,"
but you've already assumed that FILIPINA WOMEN are just marrying for economic and financial reasons
you actually have a lot of funny conclusions like
"Filipino people can all be bought. The price is quite cheap..."
etc etc etc
it is so easy for you to categorize an entire nation as women of whores and gold diggers
and then you will tell us not to assume that everybody has the same motivation blah blah
how nice of you
@lyn:
I make those comments within the context of the migration issue and the vast amount of information on the internet about this topic.
What is your problem exactly? Is it that you think only a small number of your own women marry for economic and migration reasons?
Are you accusing me of lying about my professional experience and what I saw? Do you question the copious resources on the internet as well as from your own people about the reality and extent of this problem?
The Philippines is a poverty stricken country and its people will do virtually anything to survive.
Taken in that context, there is no untruth about my statements.
Are you offended about my comments because they are untrue...or because they are TRUE?
@tanfromaustralia
my concern is that you are very inconsistent and that you have a twisted way of seeing things
you are biased
you said don't assume that everybody has the same motivation for marriage but in fact you've already assumed a lot of things about Filipina women in terms of marriage
and you even said
"Filipino people can all be bought. The price is quite cheap…"
wow who do you think you are?!
ALL FILIPINO PEOPLE can be bought???
PROVE IT!
show me proofs that you've actually bought a filipino and for how much
i'm not denying the fact that there are filipina women who marry for money or material things
it happens everywhere in the world
but to generalize that "90% of filipino women are cultural prostitutes" is plain IDIOTIC
and hilarious
let me tell you something
your 6 years of professional experience is not enough
it does not make you an AUTHORITY in this issue
those women you've interviewed or met in the past
they do not represent the FILIPINAS
you're so funny. you don't offend me. on the contrary, you entertain me lol
I never said "90%". You did.
And I used the word "all" only figuratively.
TanfromAustralia 2 weeks ago
"Those figures for the Philippines only pertain to the street prostitutes and bar girls, not to the other 90% of your women whom are CULTURAL prostitutes."
Lawyers=Liars=good memory
It is one thing to accuse other people of stereotyping, racism, generalising and exaggeration, but...
...it is another thing to be able to place everything in a proper context.
If you really think that the internet resources and migration statistics are inaccurate and that the majority of filipinas are not that way, then tell us why and back it up with something credible to share with us.
If you are a filipina and recognise that these "stereotypes" do not pertain to you, are you also saying that everybody is lying and/or exaggerating about how most filipinas really are?
Stop yanking my d!ck.
@lyn:
Why would you ask me to show you "proof" that filipinas can be bought...
...when there have been other posters in this thread whom have already said from their own personal experience that filipinas can be bought for a can of coke or a KFC meal?
Unless you don't believe them, either.
You need to accept that the reputation of filipinas has been earnt through their own behaviour.
@Tan have you ever been to middle east? or UAE to be exact? Some people say bad things about filipinas out of bitterness. I know that. And some filipinas are really that low and disgusting for that matter. As a lawyer, you shouldn't be gullible.
@just saying:
Of course I am not gullible.
I know from my own personal interaction with a lot of filipinas as their lawyer.
The truth is a lot of Filipinas are really low and disgusting.
People keep on reacting because somewhere here in this thread people are generalizing all Filipinos and that hurts. It's the fault of those low standard filipinos that others are being dragged.
@Tan Please educate us about the scope of your work as an immigration lawyer. And let's say you are assisting an Australian to get his whore Filipina wife. Do you do interviews? Do you investigate? And from these you concluded that they are fake, what do you do? still assist them?
I just hope that those low standard, disgusting Filipinas realize how much they are ruining the reputation of Filipinos. I am sick of this as well. When I was in UAE, some Arabs and Indians in the professional world tried to hit on me. It's disgusting because my inclination is that they think all Filipinas can be bought. Like they will give everything and anything, or a dinner to any finest restaurant. Damn, I really wonder how low they think of Filipinas are. And my God, KFC?! I believe it was only offered to those who really look like a trash.
@just saying:
I used to prepare visa applications and make submissions on why relationships are genuine...
...and then I found out later those relationships were not genuine because they did not work out.
so you mean the relationships were fake because they did not work out? Well you could elaborate more so we would all know why you are disgusted and called them whores.
Cause there's a lot of reasons why relationships don't work and it doesn't mean that all were fake
I saw the before and the after:
The before: the man has found the ideal filipina who is almost too perfect and everything he wanted.
The after: after the filipina gets her permanent residency, she changes drastically and leaves him because she no longer needs him.
The man was genuine but the woman was not. I know which one was doing the pretending...
I found out after these relationships ended because these people were my clients.
@tanfromaustralia
SIR i think your heart is already hardened
you can't see the point
i am asking for proof because you said "ALL"
and don't tell me it's a figure of speech blah blah
when you say all it means ALL
and the "90%" statistics didn't come from me
i was only quoting your comment somewhere from this thread
anyway, granted that there are filipinas in UAE who are willing to sell their bodies for KFC and a can of coke
HELLO! it doesn't automatically mean that all filipinas are like that
same goes for american porn stars
there are american porn stars but only an IDIOT will say that every single lady in america is a porn star LOL
and about your job as a lawyer
you are very unprofessional and unethical
i doubt if you are indeed a LICENSED lawyer
can you show us proof that you are a lawyer?
lawyers are supposed to have a confidentiality agreement with their clients
it seems that you are a traitor to your so-called filipina whores who want to get a visa to australia or wherever
and take note huh
we don't have to pinpoint a particular client of yours
because according to you, ALL FILIPINOS CAN BE BOUGHT
following your logic, it means that all your filipina clients are marrying for money
also, i've read every single comment in this thread and nobody denied the fact that there are filipinas who marry for money. I don't deny it either. it happens. but to say that "prostitution is Philippines' national profession" is an utter INSULT to the decent filipinas who are working hard to earn money. Like ME and my mother and my sister and my girl friends and my cousins and that also includes my colleagues and neighbors etc etc etc
@tanfromaustralia
SIR i think your heart is already hardened
you can't see the point
i am asking for proof because you said "ALL"
and don't tell me it's a figure of speech blah blah
when you say all it means ALL
and the "90%" statistics didn't come from me
i was only quoting your comment somewhere from this thread
anyway, granted that there are filipinas in UAE who are willing to sell their bodies for KFC and a can of coke
HELLO! it doesn't automatically mean that all filipinas are like that
same goes for american porn stars
there are american porn stars but only an IDIOT will say that every single lady in america is a porn star LOL
and about your job as a lawyer
you are very unprofessional and unethical
i doubt if you are indeed a LICENSED lawyer
can you show us proof that you are a lawyer?
lawyers are supposed to have a confidentiality agreement with their clients
it seems that you are a traitor to your so-called filipina whores who want to get a visa to australia or wherever
and take note huh
we don't have to pinpoint a particular client of yours
because according to you, ALL FILIPINOS CAN BE BOUGHT
following your logic, it means that all your filipina clients are marrying for money
also, i've read every single comment in this thread and nobody denied the fact that there are filipinas who marry for money. I don't deny it either. it happens. but to say that "prostitution is Philippines' national profession" is an utter INSULT to the decent filipinas who are working hard to earn money. Like ME and my mother and my sister and my girl friends and my cousins and that also includes my colleagues and neighbors etc etc etc
There have been some filipino posters in this thread whom have already agreed with me and objectivelyspeaking.
The honest filipino posters have admitted the extent of the problem and have not been offended when the truth is being stated.
I find that the only filipino posters whom have been jumping up and down in defence are likely to be those who find the truth intolerable.
Perhaps it is because they too married for economic and migration reasons...yet never saw themselves as prostitutes.
and besides, have you ever questioned the motives of those VERY OLD WESTERN MEN who wants to date or marry a VERY YOUNG FILIPINA girl?
aren't they OLD, or should i say, TOO OLD ENOUGH to identify true love?
though i'm not saying that age difference is the issue
may-december love affair also happens ...
all i'm saying is that let these men be MEN!
they are grown ups
they should know how to take care of themselves
@tanfromaustralia
i'm attacking you for this particular comment
"Filipino people can all be bought. The price is quite cheap…"
i'm not defending the filipina scammers
but for you to say that ALL FILIPINOS can be bought like we are some cheap commodity is something i will not tolerate.
and i'm single and will NEVER marry a foreign GARBAGE from the WEST
Good for you...
First and foremost, you are a RACIST FUCK. You must be one of those sex slave handlers and fell in love with your prostitute.
How dare you judge an ENTIRE RACE on 1 woman that decided not to love you anymore. The "TRUTH" is that some women are desperate, stupid or don't have morals. This is true with ALL races. When you watch Jerry Springer, Maury or any other show of the like, it is predominantly 'westerners' or American whites and blacks. This does not mean all blacks and whited are trash like those few hundreds of trashy women. Filipinos are KNOW to be very family-oriented and conservative. This is a fact. According to the 2010 Census, Asians (which include Filipinos and Pacific Islanders) are the most affluent race among the United States. For your simple mind, that means we have the highest rate or education beyond a BA by the age of 25. This should show you how much hot air goes through your head. What the hell would a Filipina woman holding the most buying power in the US and a high degree want with a dead beat just because he is a white American? Yeah, she'll trade an independant life in San Francisco (where most Filipinos reside) for your trailer in Omaha. Really, she will. -___-
For all of you who agree with this man's trash, I suggest you change your racist attitude. Asians are the largest growing race in America. Check Census records. AND-we do it legally, buy our plane tickets and start fresh. We don't swim across rivers or hop fences. So if you judge these prostitutes(of all races), think first about how priveledged you are in life that you never have to stoop so low.
Above all else, WHITE MEN do this ALL the time. But of course, you didn't stop to realize that because you are in denial about yourself. What in the world were you expecting going to a 3rd world country and persuading a starving beauty to come home to a better life? She probably changed her mind when she saw your pet possum and garbage trailer park without a shower.
Sooner or later, whites will become the minority, how will you feel when Asians become racist towards you?
I think people have formed opinions about filipino people based upon the actions of a large group, otherwise there would be no stereotypes.
Out of mere interest and a bit of fascination i joined a couple of sites forwarding Asian women to date. Ok i joined put a picture on and wrote a short introduction. A wham!! a lot of girls from the Philippines where contacting me. Regardless that I stated in my profile that i had no interest in a partner under 36 years old. That didn’t seem to scare anybody off.
I had sob stories about sick family, brother in prison, house burned, mom died, and so on.
I had people proclaiming love first time we chat. People that wanted me to pay them for showing tits and so on.
I am sorry to say that I have not -repeat- met just one honest Phil girl from this sites, not one- they all tried to scam me. They didn’t though. Gentlemen if you are wise you stay the hell away from this type of sites.
I think that the Phil’s here on the site that tries to redeem their scamming sisters in eyes the world don’t see the point. It is not the fault of the world - or fat horny Americans that people from Phil scam.
The problem comes from inside your society and can only be fixed by you if you accept the magnitude of the problem and its social, economic and cultural reasons.
Why don’t you revolt against the totally corrupt economic and political class that rule your country instead of pointing fingers at the rest of the world.
When we despise and loathe you for the massive wave of scamming coming from your country. Why aren’t there economic growth in your country, like in Vietnam or for that sake Korea. In that case remember that Korea was utterly smashed after the Korean War. You seriously need to address the underdevelopment and corruption in your homeland.
For God sake, revolt like in the Middle East instead of going around faking meekness and scamming strangers, get your act together. It is not the fat ugly sex tourist that gives your country a bad reputation it is yourself if you don’t like it why do you accept the industry, nobody stop´s your government from clamming down on it. If fact I think such move would give you a lot of good press in the western media.
Well I closed my profiles and moved on happy knowing that I never will marry a Phil woman and I would never visit this county. I am not an American but I am Danish – and yes you got bad press here too.
It is obvious that I am not the only one to keep this debate alive, despite how much the filipino posters want to blame me for it.
I am not the only one stereotyping your people.
just married your own race, so you dont need to worry about others!
@John XX:
They scam and cheat other people yet they blame others.
Funny.. white friends of mine couldn't care less. I wonder how many really white men are posting here
i still believe,that many pinays are good than bad...they have a good heart...than those people who are just a scammers.....compare to viatnamese,,,,many of them are liars.liars ..i hate viatnamese.....
@ Gina
Well as I said I moved on. Just wanted to share my story. The Internet is a fantastic medium but i don´t think it is good for finding a partner. To all the guys here. Just stay away from dating sites forewarding ladies from Phil and move on with our life. I am now looking for a local girlfriend and dumped the idear about having a asian girlfriend.
Many phil woman looks really nice. But looks can be deciveing. Go for the local woman where you live and the evil circle of scamming and victims will end.
Even if Denmark is a very rich and a highly developed country imagine Swiss without the mountains -i guess you get the picture- we dont have many people here from Phil. Could be our law of marrige that make danish men less attractive for dating scammers.
They can´t just rip off the men and run with the loot. The wacko marrige laws in USA makes american men more attractive i guess.
I think that the Phils here that try to defend their sisters got a real bad case. Ok it think it is human to deny problems.
But lets face it, Denmark is fameous for LEGO and our indsutial design the poet HC. Andersen and so on
Philiphine is famous for uh-oh..? Face it even in tiny Denmark the stories are begining to surface about phil ladies trying to scam local men. As I said before our laws protect the men more. So i guess the damage in the long run here will be limited.
@ Pretencious
I am quite white, in Denmark the winter is rather rash, so we don´t get so much sun. Yes i am the real Mccoy and i guss the guys posting here are too.
Just stay home in your sorry excuse of country and solve its problems instead of scamming and messing up other peoples life.
As i said in my former post, the problem is in Phil not the rest of the world. I think it is a bit odd, than Phils accept sexturism and at the same time pose yourself as being exploited by an evil world and fat perverted slobs. What is holding your goverment back from closeing down the industry?
What do you Phils don´t like about honest work, truth and real and truthfull relations to other human beings?
All Phils shoud be shamefull and demand that you goverment should clam down on the large host of scammers that degrade you in the eyes of the world.
How about that instead of competing with the Nigerian about being the leading scammer nation of the world. Shame on you all!! Try instead to contribute to the advance of humanity, that is what we are trying to do in Denmark.
But i guess it is futile to point that out to people that is generally is deprived of any kind of moral and honor.
@johnxx dude it is primarily due to the presence of melanin in the skin and hey ho not really the presence of the sun.
And sorry you cannot advise me to stay in one place. I have means to travel without asking from any sorry @ss dumb sort of albino like mmmm you?
And if I have the power to solve my country's problem, why not go for it? Do you think I'm happy about my country's problem? But you can't really expect people posting here to solve our country's problem immediately. We are damn aware of that and if you have read the entire thread not a single filipino denied the fact that there are whores, gold diggers, disgusting and ugly evil women in our country whose goal is to marry, migrate and whatever.And by the way I really really hate them. the fact that they are dragging all us down. And surprisingly even in the corporate world, there are people who have tiny brain that thinks money can buy anyone( or because I'm a Filipina?)
You have a good government, lucky for you but don't take all the credit.
As for the Philippines bad reputation, bad economy, bad government..don't take it on the good Filipinos.
When you post try to think first.. Never ever insult. deprived of moral and honor? And for posting such, does your country, do any people will honor you and say "wow this person from Denmark has a very high moral"?
think my friend..
You know why I am asking who is the real white here? From my observation and my experience. My friends couldn't care less.. because 1st, they never look for love in internet. 2nd, they are aware that many women are like that in any country, in any race. 3rd, they've been to a country worst than Philippines. 4th, they've met good Filipinos as well. 5th, why preach? their country has a lot of problem as well. Of course, they have this what you call "humility". If only that could be bought.
And as what I observed, Asians tend to degrade other Asians. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. To go overboard, to the extent that you have to generalize, to insult. Don't you think it's wrong?
But if you can admit that your country has a "problem", then why do you fault other people for raising that issue when you accuse them of "generalizing"?
You say that other filipino posters in this thread have admitted that there are "scammers" and "whores" from your country...
...yet those filipino posters tend to blame everybody but themselves, their culture and their country.
Stop f*cking blaming foreign men, foreign women, Vietnamese people and everybody else for your own culture and the choices your own people make.
When you take responsibility and take an honest look in the mirror is when pimping and prostitution will not feature so prominently in your culture.
huh? who's blaming Vietnamese people?
I hope you can recognize an intelligent comment. To tell you the truth I've read posts that probably came from a Filipina, who has a foreigner boyfriend, who happens to be in denial because she depends on him and the truth hurts.
And by the way, you can address your question to those posters who blame others.
I have my own opinion. I have my own experiences and observation.
Tell me why would a good person take the responsibility of the fault of a bad person? A martyr? Sorry I'm not
Even the powerful persons in the Philippines cannot do anything about the problems, so what do you expect in an ordinary person
@pretencious:
Well, maybe I wasn't talking about you specifically then.
But you are right: the truth does annoy some people.
I think I know which of my comments annoy your people the most.
It is the comment about cultural prostitution.
Because the concept of marrying for economic and migration reasons is so common in your country and motivates so many of your women...
...that those same women reading this thread finds the truth offensive because perhaps it mirrors the choices they themselves made.
They did not realise that they prostituted themselves through marriage, which shows how ingrained it is in your culture.
So many posters here have brought up issues about Vietnamese women as a means to deflect and confuse this current debate.
Then they blamed the foreign men for being stupid for being scammed.
Ok.. I remember watching a TV show wherein they featured a certain place in the Philippines wherein ALMOST all the girls wants to marry a foreigner. Why? because they've seen women in their place marrying a foreigner and soon having a big house and living way far from what they used to. A mother has been interviewed and saying all she want for her daughter is to marry a foreigner, and couples wishing to have a daughter instead of a son so can marry a foreigner.
I am really not happy with that episode but one good thing about that episode is 1 teacher/adviser telling her class not to have that kind of mentality. and telling them to put priority on their studies, to have a nice career and be successful.
That is the smartest thing I heard you say...
...I think the wrong cultural values are been taught to young filipinas. That is why they are ingrained.
Your women need to learn to be self-reliant instead of depending in foreigners to rescue them.
i'm filipina also but we have relation now for more than 3 years my husband we married 2010...my husband his belgian man ang i love him so much his 38 yrs old now and i'm 32 yrs old...good compatible ages...
i don't like old man lol...
that's why i don't have relation for old man...
sometimes it's a fault also for the foreigner
why they they take 18 yrs old woman or youger and they are so old...u must use your brain if thats a real love or not...
when i came to belgium i quickly find job. b'coz i want to help my husband for our expenses everyday...and also just in case my family need my help i can help them for my own...i don't want asking my husband for that..b'coz i want he feels my real intensions..i need husband not financer lol..my husband not like ATM machine hehe...
well all poeple are not the same...everywhere have a users :p be smart also to choose a woman or man so u can't repent in the end...
goodluck everyone and god bless...
i asked a european friend to read this article and told me it is biased and bigot
anyway, he is actively searching for a wife in a dating site and told me that based on his experience, it's TRUE that economic reasons play a role
surprisingly, he also admitted that most western men looking for a gf/wife in the philippines/asia are also not sincere. their motive is mostly sexual in nature. mmmm ...
now my question is, if a filipina or an asian or any woman in the world wants to marry a foreigner for the possibility of a better life, is that automatically considered as "cultural prostitution?"
what if she plans to really fall in love?
can somebody give me a fair and honest answer?
take for instance the comment above my post (jantina). she is married to a western guy but i don't think she is a scammer or a prostitute for that matter. obviously, she is in love. she doesn't want to be a burden to her husband.
what exactly is the definition of cultural prostitution?
how do you draw the line?
there are bad girls
there are good girls
i did a research and i think our government is doing something. there is a law against mail-order brides. http://www.filipinawives.com/mailorderbridelaw.htm
it's not enough. i know. but how do you expect us to stop this degrading phenomenon? certainly, this can't be solved overnight!
if only i could, i would completely ban all dating sites in the philippines. yeah, i think that is the solution. stop the online dating sites! in that way, scammers won't be able to use such websites to look for potential victims
@lyn:
It is one thing to argue that people may have mixed motivations for going into marriage.
It is another for them to prioritise external benefits such as economics and migrations above all else, so much so that "love" is only an afterthought, an additional bonus.
That is what I refer to as "cultural prostitution". It is the form of prostitution that is so ingrained in the filipino culture that your women use marriage as a means to survive and improve their lives materially. That concept is so indoctrinated in your way of thinking and acting that your women do not realise that they approach marriage as prostitutes.
I am sorry if you find that offensive, but it is the absolute truth.
And who cares if the Western man's motivations for looking for a filipina wife are sexual in nature?
The real issue is that most (not all) filipinas are prostitutes (at least culturally, if not actually). It is the way they have been brought up.
@lyn ur right. you know i'm married before to belgian woman same like me. we have 3 kids. when our youngest 2 yrs old my wife start to cheat me. she had other man for 8months :( till one day she said to me she don't love me anymore. i feel really sad. and she want devorced.
so i let her even it's so pain. after a years i meet my lovely wife (jantina) she is from philippines.
i meet her in dating site :) but since we meet she never ask money from me. she had work in philippines. i meet her 2009 then till she come in belgium 2010 she apply fiancee visa. then we married when she come here.
one more thing. i see to her she loves my kids too. she treat them like her own kids. and also she have work here. so she never ask money from me and she helping me for all expenses at home. i love her very much she treat me like a prince and she is my princes. acctually she is 5 months pregnant now.
only one thing i can say. not all asians are the same.
all people had bad and good heart.
even where they from.
thanks...
who cares??
common
if their motive is sexual in nature
then there is a higher chance that they'd end up with a scammer or a prostitute
you see, a decent filipina won't chat with a man she barely knows and talk about sex
@jan michael
i'm sorry about your ex wife
but at least now you are happy and that's what matters
maybe sad things happened so you can meet your one true love
@lyn
yes lyn.thankyou. my wife not materialistic. she is happy if what she have. she is totaly different to my stupid ex lol.
i love her family too in philippines. b'coz they have warmly heart.
my wife working hard for her money.
so that's why i don't agree when they say pinays are bad.
my wife is pinay but i'm proud of her :)
@lyn..ayaan mo silang mag isip ng ganyan sis lyn...
importante hindi tayo katulad ng iniisip nila. basta ako i'm happy to my hubby...kaya i never take a old smelly or stinking men hahaha b'coz i want married and stay to my husband till my last breath...
if i take very old maybe i get early widow hehe...
i'm scared to be alone with our future kids...
I LOVE YOU MR JAN MICHAEL...
YOU ARE MY EVERYTHING. I WILL PROMISE TO GOD AND TO YOU THAT I WILL LOVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT HAPPEN......
I WILL LOVE YOU TILL DEATH DO US PART.....
Don't you just hate it when some dumb pinoy pride wanker crashes a rather witty discussion and professes her love to Mr. Jan Michael. LMAO.
@ pretencious
Call me what you want. But it dosen´t make the problems of scamming go away. I guess that the problem will diminish over time, when more and more stories surface about scam from Phil in the European media.
That have been the case with the scammers from Africa that had taget Europe. The media in Europe had run a lot of stories about their scams, so people are more viligant now. The same proces will in the long run hurt the scammers from Phil.
And yes i think that Phil people, that scam, Phil people that marrige with the sole purpose of ripping off their sprouse are deprived of moral and honor.
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@KhayM - Hi! Had a busy few days and also wanted to check out the links you shared on the CoRRECT Movement videos and website before responding to your post addressing me. All good stuff, it is obvious the educated and patriotic PH nationals are fully aware of the problems that need to be addressed. I hope you will keep this line of communication open, updating us with new milestones to improvement in PH so your people can too be encouraged.
What you have to confront on home ground has been impacting us in foreign countries with gradual intensity in the last 2 decades, and getting increasingly alarming for many of us. Change does not happen in a day. Until your nation achieves success in reversing the bad trends, we still have to deal with the fires set by your people in our backyards.
I also read with great interest the Feature Article on the CoRRECT website by your past President Gloria Arroyo. It seems her administration brought tremendous economic improvement to PH, so I don't know if the corruption accusations were just dirty politics played by her opponents to bring her down. However, during her 9-year term in the years 2000's, fiance visas applied for filipinas were on a sharp double-digit increase from previous years, with the US leading the pack, followed by Canada and the UK. Were your people just uninformed of the betterment of their lot or were they just impatient for a shortcut to the first-world lifestyle?
I don't need to overstate the obvious from recent posts by foreign men in the last couple of days, because you understand our concerns and standpoint better than most from your country. As @John xx has so succinctly pointed out, the only way to curb the dreadful effects insincere PH brides have on our societies is to keep exposing them. So this debate will continue, and we will continue to post and share our thoughts and new information as we uncover them.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I totally agree with you. I have respect for a filipino person who can honestly admit the issues for what they are instead of blaming other people. It is a very refreshing perspective.
That sort of attitude and honesty is needed to facilitate the positive change that the Philippines and its people need.
@TanfromAustralia - I can see some very good opportunities ahead of PH, the interviews given by one of the leaders of CoRRECT, OrionPD, were really impressive. They know what's wrong, and also what needs to be done to fix it. They have done their research in all the right places. I wish them well.
There is a new video on youtube titled "20 reasons why I dislike the Philippines" posted by a young American expat 2 days ago. It drew more than 140 comments and many PH nationals actually acknowledge the negative aspects to be true and express the need for change. Those in the know in PH are not a close-minded people. So we know what those "screaming" posts here against us are all about.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, those "screaming" posts are likely to be from those whom find the truth unbearable to accept perhaps because the truth applies to them, as if they have to defend the choices they have made.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, those "screaming" posts are likely to be from those whom find the truth unbearable to accept perhaps because the truth applies to them, as if they have to defend the choices they have made.
@johnxx Oh no I don't expect the problems to go away by calling you anything..geez man so lame.
"And yes i think that Phil people, that scam, Phil people that marrige with the sole purpose of ripping off their sprouse are deprived of moral and honor."
-If that's the case, we're on the same boat. IT'S CLEAR TO ME NOW
AND I STRONGLY AGREE to EXPOSE THESE KIND OF WOMEN.
AS I SAID, THEY ARE ALL DRAGGING US DOWN.
Now I realized I can't blame anyone to generalize if all filipios they met were scumbags
They flock in dating sites. As for Tan, all of his clients experienced being scammed by Filipino women.
And for the filipinos who haven't been outside the country, you will be surprised how damaged our reputation as a Filipina because of those whores in some countries.
and THIS is what you call an intelligent debate? puulease :) and the other one is a Filipina who married an American and trying to kiss these two other asians so and so ASSES ,trying to be with these dynamic DUO.
Whatever you guys do, keep advocating and we'll keep on listening to all your rants, with popcorn and a cold soda on the other hand
@miss demeanour:
Why don't you add something "intelligent" to stimulate us all intellectually?
It is your own attitude that brings your own people down.
I can't blame u but the smart men and good looking doesnt fall for them haha
The major problem with most filipinos is that they don't see these things as a problem. 26 years of demoralization and dumbing down, most are already numb.
There's a huge manhole on the side walk, the government's solution is to put a huge garbage can to cover it instead of fixing it, and most filipinos think that it's fine as long it covers up the hole. Literally and figuratively. And when some foreigner complained about it, they called him racist. And if a Filipino sees the problem as it is and complained about it, we are labeled as un-nationalistic, traitors and ass-kissers.
@miss demeanor
i am not kissing anybody's ass. I am just laying out facts here. Like i said before, to criticize the people, it is only fair to criticize the very root of the problem. Just so you know, I did not marry for economic reason or for an american citizenship. I am not even an american citizen, I never applied for one even though I could. I have my own stable source of income and I chose to live here in the Philippines. And my husband is not rich-dirty-old-man. You can read my first comment almost 2 years ago.
@objectivelyspeaking
to qoute your question:
"Were your people just uninformed of the betterment of their lot or were they just impatient for a shortcut to the first-world lifestyle?
I believe it's both. Uninformed, yes, considering that most of these girls who took a short-cut to a better life are under-educated if not uneducated.
Another major problem in the Philippines, no matter who the president is, she/he is bound to uphold the constitution, the 1987 constitution that prohibits economic growth by economic liberalization. Until that very constitution is reformed and rectified, Philippines will remain in its road to damnation.
@khayM:
I think it takes integrity for you to be honest and admit the way things are.
You are proof that there are good filipinas in the world.
You are a great example to your own fellow women.
@miss demeanor May mga point si KhayM at sobrang laki na talaga ng problema. Example lang ha sa UAE. Maraming Filipino dun. At pag ang babae ay may kasamang hindi kalahi, iba na ang iniisip ng tao. Mali man ang iniisip nila, pero hindi mo din masisisi kasi may mga Pinay na sobrang baba ng pagkatao. Padami sila ng padami doon.
ANg hindi ko lang nagustuhan kay KhayM ay sya pa mismo ang nagkomento dun kay Jantina06. Pero sa totoo lang hindi naman talaga angkop yung ganyan dito parang ang cheap lang di ba? I bet pati sya nakakaranas ng ganun na mapagisipan ng di maganda dahil ang asawa nya ay ibang lahi, Unfair sobra at nakakainis dahil nadadamay ang mga matitino.
@TanfromAustralia
I would like to take that as a compliment. But to be honest, it doesn't take much to see things the way they are and acknowledge that there is in fact a problem. As simple as common sense and a bit of optimism concoction will do. Realism combined with optimism will get us a long way, unfortunately, those 2 ideologies are not commonly adapted by my people. We have a bunch of delusional idealists and opportunists instead.
@Tagalog
quoting what Jantina06 said:
"ayaan mo silang mag isip ng ganyan sis lyn..." (let them what they want to think)
you have to understand that other people's perception, bad or good, affects our way of life. I for example, because of that negative perception on Filipinas who are acquainted with foreigners, it made me very reluctant to go out in public with him. Even after 8 years, I still haven't gotten used to it. Although we don't look awkward together, I just can't escape those judging eyes. Ironically, the most judgemental and racist people I know happened to be filipinos themselves.
Now, should we just turn a blind eye and accept that that's just the way it is, that it comes with the package of being married to a foreigner? I believe we can do better than that.
And, oh, professing your love in a forum like this, as you've said, it is totally off and cheap. hahaha
@khayM:
My comment to you was intended as a compliment.
I repeat my earlier comment that I do not hate the filipino people.
I just hate what they are doing to themselves, their culture and their country.
I think filipinas deserve to have much more choices with their lives and gain economic independence, so that they do not have to marry as a means of survival.
Everybody deserves to have autonomy and human dignity.
I think Vietnamese women face similar issues as filipinas, but perhaps to a slightly lesser extent.
I think that the other filipino people could learn something positive from your attitude and perspective.
The problems in your country have become too large to ignore any longer, but there is still hope for positive change in the future.
honest them once live in the Bahamas very nasty hoes the nurses sleeping with the married doctors or who ever they can so they can get money and hoping theses men leave their wives for them to get papers, i never see nothing like this in my life, am wondering if they have heart, they are the most evil set of women i ever met in my life and i do travel alot
I am Filipina and I agree with this article. Majority of the women who go for foreigners in my country are the poor, uneducated ones. Go for the ones who can afford to visit the US...and even study in the US... the rest are considered "export quality" or the type that even Filipinos wouldn't dare look upon...(Similar to our household help)
another tip for white hopefuls: try to figure out where the filipina is staying, usually the provincial types are those who desperately need money, the whole province will milk you for what you've got...and be very careful when buying properties in the philippines with your filipina wife / lover, you can only own a small portion of the real estate or business you have in the country. the filipina will definitely make sure she gets the rest for herself and her boyfriend/s!
Not all Filipinas are like that. You must be smart enough when entering into a relationship. Why marry someone you know who's interested with your money and green card? Do you think the educated and successful Filipinas will marry a foreigner who's old enough for her? A Filipina who came from a rich and middle class family is earning enough and is not interested with others money. They know how to earn for themselves without asking for others help. When they marry you, they love and trust you for who you are and not for what you have. Those old foreign guys who marry Filipinas didn't know that they're marrying the ugly and poor one. Well no one will like them anyway except for those opportunistic girls. I'm a Filipina and I'm not interested with you guys unless I fall in love with your character.
if you tell them the truth they get real mad and dont speak any more but as for me i hate things likee that,i visit my bahamian friend the other day i had to ask her who live next to her because all i couldn't see is cars pulling up and out someone need to talk to this women before they get hurt really bad the Bahamas is a place you don't come and play games with men they will out your light if you take their money, those women have no respect for other women who from their country and trying to make a honest living and not running from man to man i dont know about what they do in other country but oh my god they just like a hoe without front someone please speak to this women before they die
*f... you all judgemental americans, your all demons and devil whorshipers who u think u are GODS..kiss my ass buttheads
This site happened to pop out in Google after I researched some facts for my blog. I was curios and kind of proofread everything... And this is what I have to say:
I'm a Filipina, and well, I'm never interested in marrying people from different cultures, like Americans or what-so-ever. Esp. after scrolling down in this page and realizing how most of them think so lowly of us, ha-ha. It's just so funny. I mean the way these men complain? It's as if they are so CLEAN. Really, do YOU even deserve it???
You know what? I know some girls from our culture are like that. True. And really, I pity them. ( Though I also happen to know SOME that are insanely faithful to their foreign bfs and like preserving their virginity for them. Seriously, that’s crazy! Do they even know what those men are doing while they are busy being faithful?! )
Anyway, what I have been trying to say is, to those men looking for Filipina wives, are you SURE you are really looking for love? And are you even sure you are attracted to that UNUSUAL EXOTIC Filipina beauty you are talking about? (‘Coz honestly, I thought most of you foreigners are blind! Ooops, I’m being mean to my fellow Filipinas! )
FRANKLY, I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE AFTER GUYS. If some Filipinas USE foreigners, aren’t some of YOU doing the same thing? Let’s be honest here. For those Dirty old men out there, WHY NOW? Why marry a Filipina when you are already that OLD? WHICH CATEGORY DO YOU BELONG GRANDPA?
1.) marrying a young Filipina because you are still LUSTING for young flesh and hell, no women from your culture have lost their mind to fell for an old hug. Why would they anyway? Most Foreign women are damn lucky enough to be fortunate or stable in life. So now, grandpa has no choice but to pick that young Filipina woman who badly needs money because ( it’s either they are forced by their parents, by poverty, or other circumstances beyond their control. Some of them maybe, just being LAZY & wants easy money. But, is it OUR fault if we are poor by nature? OUR COUNTRY IS EVEN ONE ON THE TOP LIST OF POVERTY REMEBER? ) ? “that is also to answer that dick who was complaining about our education level. Not all are fortunate like YOU ARE, RICH GUY.”
So basically, no.1 means taking advantage of you being RICH, snatching Filipina women way out your age because you know they can never say “no.” Most of them have never ever had experience any luxury in life, oh wait… ALL OF THEM! (Coz if they got money, why would they even bother being with you? Hell, I’m imaging doing it and I’m nauseating. I’m pretty sure they feel THE SAME WAY.)
Just put it like this, you are only eating scorch once a day in your life. Yeah that’s okay, at least you are still eating, right? But what if someone let’s you try eating delicious food three times a day in fancy restaurants, and he offers you a life like that forever, won’t you want to suck it all and grab the opportunity? HELL, I WOULD!
So stop abusing your power old man. Seriously, it’s no different from prostitution. IF THEY ARE OPPORTUNISTIC, IT”S BECAUSE YOU GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY THEY ARE PRAYING FOR.
2.) you got divorced? No wife, no children who wants to take care of you and be with you, right? NURSE OR NANNY not enough? Yeah that’s sad. And take note, most FILIPINA woman engage into prostitution to save their parents from poverty! ‘Coz they just love their parents so much! Don’t you just wish you got the same daughter? Who would rather spend more time with their old daddies, than put them in nursing cares and just supply them with money?
YOU DON”T NEED A WIFE. YOU JUST HAD ONE AND SHE WAS DEAD, OR CHEATING OR HER ATTITUDE IS JUST WORST. SHE WAS OLD AND USELESS TOO. YOU ARE NO LONGER LOOKING FOR LOVE FROM A PARTNER GRANDPA. YOU HAD ENOUGH. YOU ARE JUST WANTING AFFECTION, TIME AND CARE THAT YOUR CHILDREN HAS NO TIME TO GIVE YOU.
Or maybe you got children, but after your wife left you, you got no one to take care of them. So, time to get a nanny! But it’s better and CHEAPER to have a DOUBLE PURPOSE nanny. THAT”S WHY YOU GET A FILIPINA WIFE! BRILLIANT IDEA!
Basically, the idea is you are using Filipinas for slavery. But in an indirect guiltfree way! ;) very wise!
SO NOW ENOUGH WITH THE GRANDPAS. LET’S DEAL WITH ALL OF YOU WANTING TO MARRY FILIPINAS FOR LOVE, BEAUTY & WHATEVER. LOL.
Again, busted! Filipinas USING you? So, what do you call yourselves those foreigners who wants to get a shot in building a business here in the Philippines? When you have already planned everything and the last thing that comes to your mind, OH, I NEED TO MARRY A FILIPINA BEFORE I GET THIS BUSINESS STARTED. THAT”LL ALSO GIVE ME A DUAL CITIZENSHIP THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO PUT UP A BUSINESS WITHOUT PAYING EXTRA TAXES. NO MORE OVER STAYING FOR TOURIST CARD HOLDERS WHAT SO EVER. It’s too expensive to put up a business back from our foreign land, too strict, too expensive. LET’S GET MARRIED AND PUT UP A BUSINESS IN THE PHILIPPINES. Hurray!
The Stupid Filipina woman thinks it’s a great idea! No idea she was being USED. And I bet the foreigner’s last words would be:
I WANT YOU TO MANAGE OUR BUSINESS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES ( IN HIS MIND: SO I DON’T NEED TO PAY A MANAGER FOR IT ) AND I HAVE LOTS OF OTHER BUSINESS TO DO. ( IN HIS MIND THINKING OF THE OTHER GIRLS HE COULD BED THE NEXT FEW DAYS. SIGH.
Wow, didn’t know I have been writing a very very long comment here. Guess I was enjoying. LOL. Well, there’s lot that I can say but I’m already tired, wasted enough time for worthless people. But I guess it’s worth it anyway. Haha. Good day! And would you do me a favor? Stop coming to our country & stop dating a Filipina. STOP USING EACH OTHER MAN. tsktsk
By the way, what's up with you Filipinas sympathizing foreigners? Do you really think they'd find your attitude, what, nice? What kind of a person, after their culture is labeled, would agree to the idea?! If SOME of us are USING them, DONT YOU REALLY THINK SOME OF THEM ARE DOING THE SAME THING too? And you say that its for those hopeful Foreigners. SO, what can you say for our co-Filipinas that's too, being all hopeful and faithful? Do you have anything to tell them to make them feel better too? Esp. if maybe they have read all this comments here about FILIPINAS MARRYING FOREIGNERS AND HOW THOSE AWESOME FOREIGNERS THINKS ABOUT IT. THINK.
@FILIPINA
"what's up with you Filipinas sympathizing foreigners?"
-Who is sympathizing with foreigners here? I guess you missed a lot of points.
"Do you really think they'd find your attitude, what, nice?"
- it's the interwebz darling, there is no point in pretending to be nice and having a good discussion is NOT pretending to be nice. Just civilized people exchanging thoughts.
"What kind of a person, after their culture is labeled, would agree to the idea?!"
-Sadly, it's the reality that we have to face. There is no point in disagreeing, denying, and sugar coating when the facts that had been laid out are undeniable. To disagree with the truth is to deceive ourselves. We all want to change the world's perception on us filipinas, and the first step is acknowledging that there is a problem. Analyzing the problem, and coming up with a strategy and solution to beat and fix the problem should follow. Filipinos can't even do the first step. Look where we are now.
What kind of a person am I? I'm a realist optimist.
"If SOME of us are USING them, DONT YOU REALLY THINK SOME OF THEM ARE DOING THE SAME THING too?"
- that's the cycle that we want to change. and that mentality is not acceptable and should not be accepted by any decent person.
"SO, what can you say for our co-Filipinas that's too, being all hopeful and faithful? Do you have anything to tell them to make them feel better too?"
- I am not compelled or obliged to make anyone feel better here. If they get butt-hurt, that's the problem of someone having an onion-skin, not mine. Truth hurts, but at the end of the day, no matter how much it hurts, it's still the truth.
"THINK"
-How ironic how you used that word in the end. LOL
And oh, you misused and overused the word CULTURE.
This is the third time I am going to say this:
"To criticize the people, it's only fair to criticize the very root of the problem" - and too bad for us, our government and our decaying culture are the main contributors to the rapid depreciation of morality and lost of dignity among our people.
@FILIPINA
"NEED TO MARRY A FILIPINA BEFORE I GET THIS BUSINESS STARTED. THAT”LL ALSO GIVE ME A DUAL CITIZENSHIP THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO PUT UP A BUSINESS WITHOUT PAYING EXTRA TAXES. NO MORE OVER STAYING FOR TOURIST CARD HOLDERS WHAT SO EVER."
WTF, where did you get these informations??? They don't need a Dual citizenship to own a business!!!
A foreigner does not need to marry a filipina to be able to set up a business here. Foreigners are allowed to set-up and own up to 40% of business here for as long as they have willing filipino business partner/s who will invest in the remaining 60%. The business will be taxed as a corporation (not as an individual).
Even if they are married to a filipina, they are still ONLY allowed to own 40% of business and assets. He can put the 60% of the business under his wife's name if he trusts her enough and he doesn't want any business partner. In our constitution, foreigners are only allowed to own 40% of business, they are not allowed to own land properties. Though if a married foreigner wants to buy a land, he can acquire it as a conjugal property under his wife's name, and incase any desolution of marriage come across, he is still only entitled to 40% percent of it.
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Beware! "STAY AWAY FROM PINAYS" That are crazy, evil, and greedy. I was married to one of these sailor chasers, and it was the worst years of my life.
Thanks for setting the record straight for us @khayM. We foreigners have been fed buckets of lies, half-and twisted-truths, denials, wrongful accusations...on this board alone, not to mention in the real life experiences of men who have been scammed, cheated on, fleeced blind, families that have been torn apart.
The lame excuse all over this board has been the recurring: "oh it happens in any country". Really? If it happens in ANY country, would the foreign men have fallen prey so easily?? They would have known what to look out for wouldn't they??? Do those who spill this lame excuse not realize this is making them look really really bad to the rest of us foreigners? One man posted on another board "Pinays are so stupid they lie stupidly". So there you go. Not pretty.
"Judgemental" and "Racist"? If we really think about it, time again time again, it is the people WHO KNOW they are guilty that accuse others of being judgemental and racist, along the way try to gloss over the truth, slide over the issue. Then repeat.
Why would a people see a problem in their country and not want to fix it? Why would a people want to persist on a path of abject poverty, dependency on handouts, separation of family, degradation of morals, disintegration of values...I can go on for a while yet, but it is painful to do so, knowing the sufferings of the innocent. Those who are born into this mess not by their own asking, but the unfortunate product of some foreign man-chasing pinay.
The above-mentioned issues are all intertwined. When traced back to the root, fixing the fundamental cause will gradually eradicate ALL the issues. Why is so little interest shown in discussing this by those who have been so aggressively accusing foreigners of racism and judging a whole nation? Instead, bottom line of most of the posts here by pinays (except the one or two) is this: Oh it is the pinays who are poorer than me, less educated than me therefore unqualified for a well-paid job like me. They are the ones who'd scam you. Surely not a filipina like me. Anyone noticed that very soon after we get a post along the above lines by a pinay, men would jump in to warn about pinays. Is it because they were scammed by the one who is not poor, not uneducated and has a job? Some actually said that was exactly their case.
The key problem seems to be so few considering the nation's problems as any of their own. Is this the reason why PH has such difficultly progressing as a nation, other than the government and the Constitution? This is also a rhetorical question as @khayM has already provided the answer. If one wants to find an excuse, there will always be one.
I am yet to hear any pinay comment on the CoRRECT video shared by @khayM about the state of their country. She said specifically she was sharing it with PH nationals passing by this thread. Is it because they got out to a first world country in the pocket of a foreign man, PH's problems are no longer theirs? This one is NOT a rhetorical question. I am really asking. Let's hear some answers please.
PH is not my country. But as a human being, a woman, a mother, it is extremely painful to see women degrade themselves this way, children abused so appallingly. Someone here much further up this board commented on the "passion" in my posts. This is the reason for that passion. In a world that keeps getting smaller in the advent of technology, countries are but neighbours sharing a common corridor. How can one be so dispassionate about another's state of life? Conversely, how can one so wilfully, blatantly, remorselessly do so much harm to another's life, family, children and society?
Look at the recent posts by men warning against pinays by posters like @John xx, @bill, @bob, @Sam...plus so many others much further up this board. These are people who DO NOT want to see others get hurt, even if they are perfect strangers. This is whay humanity means. Does PH want to be singled out as the one nation that doesn't care to run the same course? Certainly NOT, I would hope. So tell us what you are going to do about fixing your country. Not picking fights with @khayM like you already did with myself and @TanfromAustralia.
Excellent post, objectivelyspeaking!
Not all Filipina,i think that's your destiny... but i adviced you,don't be afraid to fall in-love again..and just forget what you've experienced before... whoever cheated on you will suffer soon,just wait for their karma. forget hatred:) and Good Luck :)
typo correction: "whaT humanity means".
Thank you @TanfromAustralia. Just look at the post above this - left and right, back and forth, the sole goal in life of these pinays still seems to be hooking up with a foreign man.
This post should be named " be careful when marryng a poor women"
marrying a filipina turned out to be the BIGGEST f*ckin mistake of my life . . . i used to be financially well-off . now i am broke . . .
they're ALL scandulous and WILL scam you sooner or later . . . dont trust them !
yeah if they didn't come in my country with all their garbage i wouldn't know them so please the truth hurt you so bad why don't you you help them to correct their ways, if i see dirt and garbage and going to call out on it. the other day a doctor who work in the Bahamas from the Philippines name was in all the news papers here for breaking up marriages so if i write about the dirt why get mad with me it you people who need to change the bitch ways you all have.
@bahama mama as you call yourself tell me explain something to you if your people did come to the Bahamas and work and stop trying to sell their bodies all over the place just to see which man will take the bate and married them my thing to you is why they never go after the single guys always trying to break up other people home just to support their family back home come man it not right, we are not blaming them who want to make better for their family but for god safe don't scam to get it work and be contented and no one will call them names
@tally sorry but I was trying to imitate you. I cannot seem to comprehend what you are saying. maybe I understand a little so let me answer you. I don't know what's in their mind and heart, I am thankful that I don't need to scam, beg or sell my body in order to fulfill my needs and wants.
Why don't you just call the police or CID to arrest those whores. Or just tell the wives of those married men. And don't you ever dare generalize the whole nation.
bitch ways we all have? (I just rolled my eyes).. Whatever. I think everything has been said here already. I agree with KhayM's post. I am NOT a PRO UGLY&CHEAP PINAYS. And to the person who said
"what's up with you Filipinas sympathizing foreigners?"
- You're not seeing the whole picture. Not sympathizing to anyone at all. For me, I am just having a huge loathe over those cheap Pinays..I'm not a hypocrite. I've seen cheap looking girls with old foreigner and it's really ugh..I guess I am judgemental but you see those women hunting for a foreigner are either poor, social climber or cheap and usually foreigners are blind to see how ugly they are.
In any part of the world, there are good and bad people. Whether you are an american or a filipino, it all depends on the person.
Not all filipinas are that way, and not all american men are arrogant and selfish.
If meeting a person who has a high degree of education and with good breeding, they dont need to go to the United states to get a good life. America is not the answer to a good life, moreso at this stage and time where the recession is ongoing and the economy is in pretty bad shape. There are many foreigners now living in the Philippines because they are comfortable and they like being there. There are successful couples, and really, it all depends on the person, irregardless of race.
There is some truth to that...
FLIP will be always be FLIP. They will form up a wall with their FLIP language, everytime they see the true negative things about their race.
I agree to one of the poster above. If you want to give FLIP some money, consider that like you are buying a NATURAL BALANCE ( I assume that this NATURAL BALANCE is the dog food). Totally agree with that. DOn't believe about their sad drama, dad's die, brother in hospital and bla....bla....bla. It's all just a bunch of BS.
And for those of you who think want to marry a FLIP or maybe hire a FLIP as...caregiver, maid, or whatever. Please be extra careful, who knows they might put some poison in your food. Scamming is already in their blood, I'm not surprise if they do some murder too.
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@bahama mama, i don't care what you say all you women from that country is the same i have travel the world and every country that i enter it the same thing about you all so please stop why did you come to the Bahamas anyway tell me please sure you doing the same-thing like the rest birds of a feather flock together.you women from that country was train for that purpose tell me i lie
@Tally What??? I've never been to Bahamas. For all I care. Whatever..mmm...Do you look like Khouny? Just wondering.. I'M MOCKING YOU by the way because you are so ignorant.
and these are for you............................................................ HAVE SOME period ok? at least you have comma now.
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some people have got to much time on there hands marry away whats the worst that can happen
I saw a perfect example just yesterday in fact in downtown Manila no less ! White guy, dressed in a suit,maybe about mid to upper 30's. Probably an expat working here, new Mercedes etc...gets out of his car followed by his filipina girlfriend. Guy is not to old looking dressed in expensive suit..his BIG gut and Rolex flashing..and she ..TALL for a filipina, dressed in mini shorts, gold braclets and dirty bare feet even ! This woman hunted this guy obviously ..you can easily spot what sort of a 'relationship' this is !..Honestly..when it comes to Pinay girl - hump and dump IS the best long term stategy no doubt.
you are right, they wait until they can take something from you and then theyre whole family tries to claim everything you own, they lose the good looka quick, and become loveless and cold, beware of the turd world women!
You are both right!
I also want to add that @tally isn't ignorant. I have no problem comprehending her posts, lack of punctuation marks notwithstanding. Amazes me how some people still have time to mock others given the whopping turd problem their own society is in.
If not for @tally's posts, many of us wouldn't know it's happening in The Bahamas too. Or the Gulf nations, New Zealand, Denmark and other parts of Europe if not for posts from residents there.
It is one thing for this s*** to carry on in PH if their present government and majority of people choose to allow it. It is another if the same scum starts spilling into foreign societies that do not welcome it. That is what we are speaking out against.
I too pilipina and married to American we been married for 9 years now with 8yrs old little and baby boy on the way.. Forgive my English is not proper lol... I would say not all pilipina is that bad but I do agree with you objectivesspeaking and fathma based on my experienced in the UAE.. We came from America we came to the UAE coz of my husband work and I was shock to know that there's a lot of pilipina working as a nightangle lol.. And there's one girl telling me that she wants to married American so she gets green card and divorced him after that.. I know a British couple destroyed the married by a maid and the wife has to fly back to her country with her son and the husband got no shame to introduce the pilipina as his.. What ashamed!!! I too even scared having pilipina maid I'm a jealous person so I watched carefully who I want to be friends with... I had some friends but most of them western or from singapore less Pilipino because I know what they can do.. Here in this country friends are hard to find here unless you've known the person for a long time.. There's two pilipina I thought we were friends but not they start flirting with my husband and of course my husband knows and I talked to my husband and my husband knows my temper and what I can do and I told them to back off.. I would never let any gold digger ruining my family I am proud to be married to my husband his not rich but his a good man and that's enough for me.. This is my lil opinion I'm just a simple person with living in a simple life with him because money cannot buy happiness.. I never know about Pilipino being look down till I got to the UAE now I understand it.. It is sad to know about this kind of situation.. But as I said not all pilipina is bad " maybe most of them who knows how play their games and that is sad " western old men should know that younger women don't fall in love with them specially from dating online.. They should leave in first for couple of years and the man experienced to run out of money and he should go back to his country and figured out if she's the right one for him so theres no regret at the end... This is based in my experienced.
Help me understand something @Hello - Is it common for filipinas to flirt with and casually sleep around with other women's husbands in PH?
@objectivelyspeaking - NO. If you found such Filipina as you described, leave her and don't you stick with that kind of Filipina. Look for another one. There are still lots of them who are nice and will treat you right.
Hope this helps.
@xyz - I will not be looking for a filipina because I am a woman. I know there are some who are nice, but very few, and some have posted here. The problem is it is impossible to tell the bad from the good because they are very good at being dubious, appearing nice and harmless at first. Even your own honest and educated pinoys have confirmed this.
It is not my business who wants to hook up with whom. I am posting here to bring attention to the men considering sponsoring a pinay they meet on the internet into foreign society outside PH. There is the high risks too many bad egg pinays come in to destroy our society same way they have destroyed PH's.
I see. So you're a woman. :)
I am also a Filipina. The root article kinda hurt me as well but I just can't judge most of Filipinas who opted for Americans or foreigners nor blame Americans for choosing Filipinas over other nationalities. Pinays have their reasons and most is due to poverty and that they wanted to help their families bring out from poverty.
Just to be fair, not all Pinays are predators. I also have a cousin who once a victim of a rude American. She's a professional teacher and had loved an American but instead of being loved back, when they were in US, she was beaten and fed with a Rat Killer and that she was almost killed. She was also sexually abused. Good thing she was able to escape from being prisoner of her evil American husband.
@ @objectivelyspeaking - Please post in your own pseudonym instead of mine, thank you. While filipinas like to convince the world that foreign men prefer them to other women, the truth is that they are marketing themselves aggressively to foreign men not just through the internet, also through mutual contacts, seducing other women's husbands, any new way they can think of. So much bas been said about this already. They don't stop at being sponsored and getting married to foreign men. After they get in to the foreign country, they do great evil at a level that is very shocking to us, it is becoming clear that's how it is deep in the guts of PH society. We don't want that in our societies.
Oh and BTW, most filipinas posting here, even those who seem nice, are still subtly promoting filipinas to foreign men, including @xyz and many others further up. We get what you people are trying to do. If you think that bad egg pinays are giving the good ones a bad reputation, that's a problem of your country you need to fix. Check out @khayM's CoRRECT video link if you haven't done so. Don't pass your country's problems to us. We can help through humanitarian causes which is already ongoing. But we will not accept having our families wrecked, our societies contaminated by the gunk that is spilling out from the bowels of PH society. These isn't too much more to be said to this end.
I have an American work colleague here in Dubai whose filipina house maid seduced him one night while his wife was back in the USA visiting her family. Yeah he's responsible for the affair too, he could have told her 'no' and sent her packing, but I guess the housemaid made him an offer one night that he couldn't refuse. Anyway the housemaid claims that she's pregnant now and she is threatening to tell the man's wife, unless he pays her some money for her to go away.
And I love my american husband as well...
@objectivelyspeaking about the flirting you mentioned.. For Pilipino to Pilipino not much unless the pilipino guy has money but for Pilipina to western yes! They'll do anything to get that whiteman in bed and that happen to me when me and my husband was still in the Philippines.. This woman just came inside my house like it's nothing and she didn't know I was home and she didn't know that my husband is married and told everyone that she is the girlfriend of my husband and of course I asked my husband about that woman and that place where we live in I thought it was a nice place because is full of tourist at day it nice but when the night comes I hate it.. I prayed everyday that my husband would stay with me and get out of that place because the place is full of hookers... I am the person can't my mouth shut up when there's bothering me.. You see I love my husband and even me I don't trust any woman would be near my husband. When were in Mexico there's one she's white and of course when I'm hurt I go right to the point for him to know my side.. My husband got no money trust me but he is so good to me and that is hard to find this day so why would I hurt him. Before I marry him I told him to tell me everything about him if his married because I know the consequence and I don't want to hurt anyone because I know how it feels being broken and I told him to get me prenuptial in case there's a problem and he said don't worry about that because he got nothing anyway. This pilipina they don't understand that, thats because his white doesn't mean his gold but they realized his not and then they go for another man and I understand why most people they dislike Pilipino.. Based on myself my mother in laws think the same way when I first met her and then she realized I'm not one of them and thank me for being conservative person. She told me the reason why.. About the family back in the phils I would say yes they are gold digger big time and I hate it I'll give you my exrperience with my brothers in the phils they not leave me alone but you see I respect my husband money and I would never waste that on such a thing that's is not important and I wouldn't dare touching in it for my family.. Because he give me all his salary and I told him to put it in his bank and if I want something I made sure I asked him first even do I don't have to because I know how hard to earned the money.. Pilipina in the phils got none educated person they don't understand that all they understand is their material things and what other people think of them having western man between their legs.. I trust pilipina with degree but not the pilipina who's not educated they think America is gold! But is not because you have to double your job to earned a decent money. That's all! This is based on my experience..
I totally agree with everything objectivelyspeaking said.
Filipinas are generally appealing because they are frauds. They market a false image of themselves that is very appealing to certain men who have insecurities and shortcomings.
They say that if something is too good to be true, then it is false.
A lot of filipinas have developed a cultural ability/talent for exploiting other people's weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
Right now, I am having a VERY difficult time convincing my best friend that his impending marriage to his filipina whore is the worst mistake of his life.
When he looks at her, all he sees is the wife from Heaven, who agrees with everything he says and does, never asks for any money and is so eager to please him sexually.
When I look at her, I have a different perspective to him. All I see is a fraud, a con artist, a histrionic whore who relies too much on emotive facial expressions to manipulate other people. I also see an opportunist whore who has chosen to work as a "nanny" in Hong Kong in order to further her own economic and migration ambitions.
Perspective is perhaps a very subjective thing.
objectivelyspeaking, I am sure that you can understand and appreciate my perspective.
Can anyone else, I wonder...?
Hello@ I trust pilipina with degree but not the pilipina who's not educated they think America is gold,it not true all is the same, who do you think was in every news the other day a doctor, she here in the Bahamas trying to break up every marriage she can so, please stop the garbage.
that news i dont know about.. because im a homebody person all im saying is based on my experience not what i know or other people knows.. that and there's nothing wrong with that now if that happens im sorry i dont live in bahamas we just live in small town and i dont ask for someone to make an argument about what i wrote i just told my story that's all.. yes for me i wouldnt not let someone scumbag ruining my family i dont care if she's educated i guess she must be desperate to have a lover because no one is f.... her.. maybe you right there are some educated people do that too how would i know mmm... good to know..
@Hello - Thanks for answering my question. Re your post to @tally, that's why it is so important for people from different countries to share their experiences, what they see and hear, here on this board, so everyone gets a clear picture of the truth. There has been a lot of lying, denial and deception of "no not all", "all women are like that in other countries", "only the poor and uneducated do such things" and bla bla bla. The doctor in The Bahamas is not the only case I hear about. Earlier this year, there was another case in PH itself, of a teacher from a prestigious school, caught in a hotel room with another woman's husband.
The picture we foreigners are getting of PH is this: it is one stinking immorality mess.
@TanfromAustralia - yes of course I do understand and appreciate your perspective. And vice versa. For that, you and I have been labelled by some pinay as the "Dynamic Duo", LOL.
I think an increasing number here also see our point. More men are coming forward to post and share, whether it is their direct experience or an observation. This is all very good and important. Most may not realize but hopefully in time they will, that this is actually good for PH. I have come across posts on other boards by educated pinoys saying their country needs a wake up call. There needs to be change from the past and present, in order for the future to be better. But attitude comes from the heart and mind. When opportunities avail, choices will be governed by attitude. If PH does not harness new opportunities with the right attitude, they will screw themselves over a second time. I would hope not for the sake of the few good people who are still there, especially their next generation.
Almost every Asian country had been occupied or colonized by a western nation in history - HK and S'pore by the British, Indonesia by the Dutch, Vietnam by the French and also the US during the Vietnam War, parts of Malaysia by the Portuguese, PH by the Spaniards and later the Americans. Chinese women have been working as housemaids for the British for decades. Neither HK or Singapore women ever became white-men-crazy like pinays are of Americans. What is wrong with this picture. I'd think it is all in their mindset and culture.
I am too sad, to hear all of these comments. What would you do, when you are born in the Philippines and then, realizes that your being a filipina is already badly criticized even before you go to other countries? I think girls from other countries are also just the same or worst than the filipina women. Women are just the same there are bad and there are good, Men are also the same there are bad and there are good, whatever countries they belong. God Bless and Beware!
@stephany - Filipinas have such a bad reputation internationally because of what the majority of them did for a very long time. That's called "they made the bed they lie in". Once again, NO, girls from other countries are not like filipinas or worse than filipinas. If you keep thinking that, you and the women in your country will never see a better day. Men who have travelled will tell you the same. If you are young and educated, unite with those in your country who want to push for positive change. The wheels have already been set in motion, just waiting for attention and support from filipinas like you. You have the choice to start helping reverse the damage, or allow the damage to continue compounding.
I went to the Philippines in the late 90's when I was single , I heard that english was spoken and it was a lot of fun there , the women were great and they like americans over there ....
I wish I was warned about the women..... actually , in the 90's the women weren't so scheming . Before then they did make good wives and were loyal and moral for the most part .
Things change.... I met a gorgeous girl there she was sweet , surely a hard "10" and I didn't stand a chance. Neither did most of the other Americans I met there who also met the girls of their dreams . They were all pretty, petite , very polite and strongly " Catholic ".
I was soon married , within 9 months she was here in the US , pregnant and ready to start a life in a new country.....within 2 years the stories started but I didn't believe them...
In 6 years , right after she became a citizen I found out , by accident , that she was having " serial " affairs... not one , not 2 , not 3 , not 4 , not 5 - I don't know the final tally actually....
I found out she was bad mouthing me .... not for anything I did , just mean vile generic comments . It wasn't the money , I took care of her family overseas - in the years we were married I probably averaged about $200k per year....I didn't drink , take drugs, abuse anyone I never cheated either I just worked my butt off for my family . I'm also a University graduate , but I'm not smart - I couldn't figure out the cultural differences.... I still can't understand that filipinas have no sense of guilt - they do whatever they want to do and if they don't get caught it didn't happen . Period.
Of the 10 other couples that I followed from that period 6 are divorced . Five of those are because the filipina was sleeping around . 5 of the husbands were very good men ( one cheated - his wife didn't , and strangely enough his wife was was a bargirl in the PI..)
. Of the other 4 , one went back to the Philippines to be with her ( surprise ) Filipino husband - after looting her American husbands fortune... 2 are still married with kids and doing OK , the other has a very rich husband and shes not going anywhere but I hear she isn't a saint....
I'm sorry to hear about your horrible relationships with your ex Filipino wives. As a Filipino woman married to the most wonderful American guy I have ever known ( 9 years now), I can attest to the fact that there are gold diggers and opportunistic Pinays out there. I personally know a few of this kind. However, please do not judge the whole culture or all Filipinos as evil and greed exist in all races. There are a lot of good hearted, God fearing, very educated, well-mannered Filipinas married to White guys. You just have to disassociate yourself to those who are after your money. And honesty as they say is the best policy. To guys who still want to marry Filipinas, make sure that you lay everything on the table-money, intentions, green cards... and get a prenup if you want to secure your hard earned investments. God bless and all the best to you all!
I'm sorry to hear about your horrible relationships with your ex Filipino wives. As a Filipino woman married to the most wonderful American guy I have ever known ( 9 years now), I can attest to the fact that there are gold diggers and opportunistic Pinays out there. I personally know a few of this kind. However, please do not judge the whole culture or all Filipinos as evil and greed exist in all races. There are a lot of good hearted, God fearing, very educated, well-mannered Filipinas married to White guys. You just have to disassociate yourself to those who are after your money. And honesty as they say is the best policy. To guys who still want to marry Filipinas, make sure that you lay everything on the table-money, intentions, green cards... and get a prenup if you want to secure your hard earned investments. God bless and all the best to you all!
Just another footnote....if I was to give advice I would say that bringing a Filipina from the PI to the west is not a good proposition . The odds are against it working out - in retrospect I think that once these girls/women come to the west they are removed from their family and the honor and respect they are brought up with in the Philippines , they tend to turn to the women they meet (i.e. filipinas...) in their new country and become immersed in materialism and hedonism - because their family isn't around to watch and pressure them into doing the right and honorable thing they become like a kid in a candy store ... there are plenty of western guys more than happy to service them .
To sum it up if you want a filipina wife or girlfriend you can be successful with your wish - just live in the philippines with her - don't bring her to the west .
If you go into it with your eyes open and realistic expectations you can have a nice partner - where as in the west you might spend the rest of your life alone...
Always keep the truth in mind and you can have a great life with a Filipina... Always remember though...you are a dirty old man and she is a gold digger - if you can accept this and afford this you can have an ideal situation in the Philippines....
joan
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@vipvip:
Foreign men who marry filipina wives all believe that their women are "different" from the rest.
These men believe that falsehood with such conviction that that it can be compared to their belief that a tomato is red or that the sun will rise the next morning.
These men think that these filipinas truly understand and accept them like nobody else, that these women are devoid of materialism and high demands and expectations carried by Western women.
Hence the scam, hence the con, hence the game. And finally hence these men being totally and utterly being f*cked over in the end when that was the last thing they anticipated.
I was an immigration lawyer for a whole 6 years and saw a lot of Western men's relationship-from-Heaven with filipinas turn rapidly into the relationship-from-Hell once these filipinas got what they wanted and squeezed these men dry.
It is quite pathetic how a green card and economic independence can turn the relationship-from-Heaven into a relationship-from-Hell.
My former clients were the men whom I described at the beginning of this post. They all thought that their relationship was "different" from the rest.
By the way, I had extremely intelligent men like professors, doctors, lawyers and savvy businessmen for clients, as well as male clients whom were not so intelligent.
But the sad thing was that my intelligent male clients were scammed as well.
I don't agree with the writer her... What your luck is different from other people you just happened to meet as you stated the opportunistic and the bad one. You know what? its your fault from the first place, if you chose the heart of a Filipina person and not the physical it wont happen to you. Maybe you picked the Filipina girl from the bar or kabaret heheh. My husband is American even though he said he doesn't have money from the first place I still love him very much and take note he's a disabled too while I am working stably here in one of the state colleges here in the Phils. We included the Lord in our search, my husband looked for a Filipina wife because according to him American women are greedy of money hahaha. My unfortunate I don't want to live in the states but because my husband asked me I will...I and my Family are very sad to know about these horrible things but in fairness some are...But even the girls in your countries are like that also, there is always THE GOOD AND BAD side of every person. SO PLEASE DON'T GENERALISE PEOPLE!
Foreigners shouldn't look for a wife in the Philippines. I advise for people to share this forum so that they will be aware. Girls in the Philippines should stop hunting for foreigners. Poverty is not an excuse. Go for the hard but clean way to work your way up.
And for all the Pinays who has a foreigner husband, prove your worth! No need to share your stories here as it can be perceived as marketing Filipinas as good wives. You are a good wife, a good person person because that's you and not because you are a filipina. No need to say to people not to generalize because that's the DAMAGE done by those social climbing-ugly-filthy-no pride-whore pinays who happens to be in almost every country.
TO ALL FOREIGNERS STAY AWAY FROM PINAYS as much as possible.
TO ALL FILIPINAS who are looking for foreigners to have a better life...HAVE SOME PRIDE!WORK HARD for betterment Instead of hunting for foreigners.
hey guys,not all pilipina is bad and good.same like foreigners they have good and bad....
no body perfect
"the housemaid made him an offer one night that he couldn't refuse" described above by @DubaiDude is hardly an isolated case. On this board alone we have seen so many. Filipinas use the one weakness of men - testosterone - to bring them down, in the process louse up an entire society and still showing no signs of stopping. This trick is as old as the hills. Kings, presidents and statesmen in history have all fallen for it. Hence the intelligent professional men too as described by @TanfromAustralia.
When the ratio is so consistently 8:2 and 9:1 bad:good about filipinas coming in from men's accounts on internet boards in different countries, STOP TRYING TO CALL THIS A GENERALIZATION. It takes more than 50% good to be considered more good than bad. Simple math. Just because a pinay posts on this board that she is the good one who did not scam her husband to loot his assets for herself and her PH family will not change this simple math in the eyes of us foreigners.
If scamming foreign men into marriage is a way out of poverty, why is PH still so poor after men especially Americans have poured so much money into pinay wives and their families in the last 20-30 years. The biggest girlie bars in PH are owned by foreigners. In the end, PH is still the loser.
By the looks of the 2 posts after @FilAm's, pinays are still hell bent on promoting themselves to foreign men. If they choose not to help themselves, the only thing foreigners can do is protect themselves against pinays.
Its so funny that you people have to say a lot of things against filipinas ( thank you to those who are not bias ), are you sure there are no users in your country? Are all your women lived a descent life? If there sluts here, you got whores there. Its everywhere. I am a filipina and Im proud to be oone regardless of what you say against my kind. And i am not saying that what you've written is incorrect because there are really some filipinas who's greedy and would use someone just to get out of the Philippines but there are are also some who happened to fall inlove over the net. I got a friend who's happily married with an american for almost 16 years and i know an american who wanted to marry a filipina because his american exwife left him when his business went wrong. dont you think american women also marry an american man because of money. Do really think all filipinas would want to marry your kind??? think again...most american think they're so "high and mighty" why? because you live in a rich country? because you're being paid higher than we do, let me tell you SIR that it only happens you live in america if not and it happened that you're country is one of the third world...I dont think you'll even survive. Now if you're bitter because someone from the philippines did that to you and you have to write such things....its all your fault. because if your smart enough, and you're using you're brain...NO ONE COULD USE YOU. If you think the person is just using you, asking for something that is not supposed to you should ask yourself if it has to continue or it has to stop. The bottom line is...I dont think it only applies to filipinas alone because women and even men from different countries are capable of using someone just to get what they want.
@vipvip-- I agree with what you said. The oppportunity to live in another country is just too much for some Filipinas that they are willing to sell their bodies and soul just to get there. Colonial mentality is still so prevalent in the country, that people perceive that anything that is Caucasian reeks of money. I have cousins back home who kept asking me if I know any white guy that they could be friends with. WTH?! I am not a mail order bride agency!!!
Even where I live now, there are lots of Filipinas staying here on working visa and working as nannies (among other jobs, I just said nannies because I know a lot of them) who are always on the hunt for some "white guy". There is nothing wrong with that, if you will not use that person to get to stay abroad and milk him for all his money's worth.
I am a Filipina myself, but I now that this is happening. And I am ashamed that my fellow Filipinas are doing these things. It is so hard to prove yourself in a foreign land, to let another race and culture accept you not because you used someone to get where you are but because you have talents and capabilities to survive the corporate world. And then, these stories.
Although I still feel strongly about my country and still hoping that one day, I may see it progres, I also feel tired defending Filipinas of these kind--- the kind that uses people just so they cold alleviate their status in life (which would mean they could send money back home to fix their houses- so that their neighbours will see that they have money!, so they could buy expensive clothes and bags-- to show off their fellow nannies, so they could buy a tricycle for their brother back home-- who doesn't want to work and would eventually sell the tricycle in a few months).
And they will always be there, tarnishing all of Filipinas' reputation. So I say, it is up to us, hard working, hard earning Filipinas to prove these foreigners wrong. Maybe if they get to meet or know about even just one of us would make them realize that yes, we still exist, no matter how few.
So again I would say, just keep on working hard, learn and help others as we go along our way.... as long as we are doing the right things (morally and legally right!!, in the eyes of God and in the eyes of men, and there should be no excuses for doing the wrong things!!), there is no reason why we can't keep our head up high.
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@Pamtotz:
You can say that there are whores in other countries, but in the Philippines, whoring is a national profession for women.
To find this out, a survey should be done on filipinas to ask them how many of them would prioritise factors such as migration and economics when being motivated to marry.
Only then would we truly understand how entrenched cultural prostitution is in the Philippines.
It's not us. It's you. It's your culture...
Provided the answers are HONEST, will the survey be accurate.
Yes, if the answers were both honest and anonymous...
...I do not think that anybody would be surprised by the results.
Certainly not the filipino people.
The sad and bitter reality that this nation just cannot escape anytime soon.
http://www.channelfix.com/video/239/
It is heartbreaking really. Being a filipina myself, and as an advocate and coordinator of CoRRECT Movement here in Cebu, there isn't really much we can do for these girls. There are no jobs with competitive wages for these girls to turn to and marrying a foreigner is their only escape from being a prostitute and poverty.
Obviously there is a huge "demand" for these girls to "supply". There is a law here that prohibits prostitution, but that's as far as what our government can do. Can you blame the girls? The socio-economic status of this country had everything to do with this growing cultural phenomenon. It is very disappointing, for someone who wants this country to change for the better, and for someone being dragged in this massive generalization. I don't blame you people for generalizing, that is just reality. It makes me sad, but there is nothing much I can do with it.
khayM:
Your good attitude alone makes you a great example to your own fellow filipinas.
@khayM - Here are my thoughts...the "demand" stems from PH having made a name for their female labour (prostitutes and maids) being CHEAP and PLENTIFUL. Not because they are of better quality. Just cheap and plentiful. In other countries, women WORK to support family. In PH, women WHORE to support family. Parents are pimps. Cab drivers are pimps. Every other person seems to be a pimp. It has become a way of life. This is the impression I get from watching not just the video you just posted but others along similar veins.
Women in PH seem to think it is OK to whore for a dvd player. That's a luxury item. When I was growing up, we never had a TV for the longest time. We never had ANY luxury consumer goods just because our neighbours did. In the apartment block where my family lived, only one neighbour had a TV. The lady was kind enough to let me and my sisters watch an evening program there after our homework and housework were done. It was not a social norm for girls to go whore themselves so the family can have their own TV. Whereas in PH, it is such a common occurrence to whore for consumer luxuries, nobody seems to think anything is wrong with it. The girls in my society also did not go around getting pregnant in their teens and before they were married. That was a huge NO-NO because it brings so much shame to the family and ourselves. We were taught to study, work and live for a good future. In PH, it seems to be the opposite culture.
There is such a thing as living without until one can afford something. I have travelled a lot in my life. I have grown children so I am not a young person. I have always been interested in listening to, reading about and observing social behaviour and human attitude among people across nations. The social attitude in PH is such a sick and disgusting one from everything I have seen in comparison to other countries.
No woman can be happy demeaning herself to men. Deep down in the hearts of these girls in your country, there is a lot of anger and bitterness. So much so that they take it out on others, biting the hands that feed them - their foreign employers and husbands. This is why this whole OFW and marrying foreign men to get out of the country is such a recipe for disaster for EVERYBODY. So many filipinas have married foreign husbands who provided well for them. Why are they still not happy? Why do they go screwing around behind their husbands' backs while simultaneously squandering his money on luxury goods? And NO this is not common among women of other countries. ONLY women from PH are so famous for this.
So many big and important things are wrong with the mentality and attitude of your people it is scary. I think the root cause is greed and discontent. This is driving an entire nation to self-destruction. Ninoy Aquino has also spoken about this in one of his famous speeches. Material goods and branded luxury items seem to be a must-have to show off to others. It is all in the mentality and attitude. It is very obvious that pinays LOVE TO SHOP. I see them here in the malls with such bewildered looks on their faces when they enter a luxury boutique. From the clothes on their backs, I can also tell they are likely a mail-order bride fresh off the boat. That's the key problem in your country. I don't own a mink coat or any LV bags intentionally, not because I can't afford it. I would rather give my excesses to helping the truly poor kids toward a good education. I earn every dollar I have. No one ever gave me anything. I don't have the need to own what my neighbour has and I live in an affluent neighbourhood. I am this way because of the way I was raised and the society I grew up in. Are there women in PH who think like me. Yes. These are the very few who choose to live for the right ideals. You just need more filipinas to think this way. Don't ever give up. Perhaps CoRRECT can run some educational social campaigns to inculcate the right attitude in these girls? They should also be taught the courage to say NO to family that forces them to whore. That should get their brothers to move their @sses off to work.
Those foreigners, are they looking for love or sex? leave it to sex or nothing. The demand should stop as well. On the other hand, you can't stop those whores from doing their thing if they are being patronized by those foreigners.
And by the way @just passing by I totally agree with what you've written.
Filipinas are being generalized because of the increasing population of filipina whores scattered around the globe.
And once they are already for example in the US. From being simple they become somewhat trying hard socialite. Pathetic!
@Tan I grew up having my own TV in my room, TV in the livingroom and parent's has their own TV in their room too. In our Village or let's just narrow it down to our street. I guess our neighbors have TVs too. I did not ask for luxury but we can afford so why not buy. I live in the Philippines and just to inform you. there are rich people and middle class people here as well who doesn't have to prostitute themselves in order to buy things.
Though I got your point. Poverty is overrated. How on earth can you justify a wrong deed as if there's no other option.
To you Ultramagnus man, all I can say is that you are a very narrow minded person, it could have been Americans too or whatever race the woman not just only Filipina... I don't believe on the other side of the story only. You said you are a good husband and you did not do anything wrong are you really sure? Remember no one is perfect. It takes two to tango heheheh! I am sure you can understand this WALANG MANLOLOKO KUNG WALANG NAGPAPALOKO!
@objectively speaking
YOU ARE AN ARROGANT BRUTE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU IS THAT, YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSELF TOO MUCH... PUT GOD IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. DON'T LEAN TOO MUCH IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING YOU ARE JUST ONLY HUMAN AND IS PRONE TO IMPERFECTIONS...
@objectivelyspeaking
that is true. Prostitution here became a way of life for most people. And it is appalling how a lot of filipinos don't see anything wrong with that. It has been going on for so long that it is already incorporated and embedded in our culture. That's the harsh and bitter truth.
CORRECT is more inclined to dealing with politics and economics, the social campaigns are usually branched out to independent and willing advocates. We don't receive funds for doing these projects as our main advocacy is against what the government stands for. We use our own personal resources to get our projects moving. I don't approve dole outs and other band aid solutions myself. Feeding projects will only help them get by for a day, I tried the "educational" approach because, but these girls just kept going back to their old ways because of peers and family pressures.
The family ties are stronger and harder to break than you think, and flip parents are taking advantage of that. The brainwashing starts very early in a child's life. Children are compelled to look after their parents for whatever cost. They have very little value for morality, especially when their stomachs are growling.
I myself didn't come from a wealthy family and I was taught at a very young age the value of education and hard work. Both my parents came from very poor families. My father worked as a laborer and errand boy to save up for his college, while my mother worked as a maid while going to college. They have great influence in my upbringing. Unfortunately, they belong to the minority of poor people who strived and worked hard to get out of poverty so they can provide me and my siblings a comfortable life and good education.
Yesterday, I witnessed a pretty common scene here in PH. I took my kids to McDonalds, behind us were an old-fat-foreigner, a pinay mother, and her daughter. The daughter seemed to be a minor, around 15-18. Sadly, the mother herself is selling off her daughter to this old ugly man, but when the guy refused because shes a minor, the mother begged for him to take her daughter off her back because she has 8 other kids to feed. How is that for sick?
@khayM:
Thank you for having the courage and insight to admit to the things that objectivelyspeaking and I have spoken about.
The three of us came from poor backgrounds and we all know what it is like to struggle financially and worry where our next meal is coming from.
However, the three of us also know to make the *choice* to take the dignified road out of poverty. It is a longer and harder road to journey through, but the destination at the end is much more satisfying because pride is also found at the end of that road.
I am sure that you would want much more choices for your filipino people other than actual and cultural prostitution. Everybody is entitled to human dignity and autonomy.
@Sonia:
Your criticism of objectivelyspeaking lacks any valid context and seems to stem from your resentment of her stating the truth. Yes, the TRUTH.
You may want to criticise her "understanding" in that she only refers to a few examples from her personal experience.
However, I had direct experience with hundreds of filipinas for a period of 6 years. My own direct observations accord with everything objectivelyspeaking has spoken about.
The truth may hurt, but the truth just IS.
@elite:
You make a good distinction between the concept of being poverty stricken and materialism.
Poverty stricken in the true sense is when someone does not have a roof over their heads and no money to buy their next meal. That is, they do not have the essential things to live.
Materialism refers to the desire to acquire goods and things or benefits which increase the comfort of one's life.
There have been a lot of times when I realised that it was materialism (rather than poverty) which have motivated the filipino people to pimp and prostitute themselves and each other.
Nobody with an IQ over 80 can be stupid enough to suggest that requiring money so that your brother can buy a car or your parents needed to add a second level to their home are "necessities".
This just proves exactly what objectivelyspeaking has said her in last post about the filipino people pimping and whoring themselves for luxury goods.
And yes, it is a cultural tradition.
@filAm:
I can be the first to admit that there are a group of Western men who set out to go to poor Asian countries to sexually exploit vulnerable and desperate women. I think these men are despicable.
However, there is a marketable "supply" in some Asian countries.
Hence the mutual exploitation.
However, if the Philippines fixed up its problems internally and its women gain economic independence, they would have more autonomy over their lives and leave actual and cultural prostitution behind.
"Demand" cannot be satisfied if there is no "supply".
I think filippinas are obsessed with a false dream of the West.
Life is tough in Australia, the United States and Canada as well. We all have to work hard for a living here, although I admit that most of us are paid much better money here than in the Philippines.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Your post was so relevant and on the mark that I have little else to add, except that...
...the concept of actual and cultural pimping and prostitution that I brought up earlier and to which you refer in your latest post is a concept that whilst true, has been largely alien to the general filipino people.
That is because that concept has been so embedded in their mentality and so ingrained in their culture and upbringing that they do not realise they are cultural pimps and prostitutes.
Consider this first example: I am a male and I am willing to let my wife/girlfriend, sister or daughter sleep with and/or marry a foreign man because that foreign man can provide material benefits to us. Do you think that I am a pimp?
Consider this second example: I am an attractive young woman in my 20s. I am going to marry a fat, repulsive 60 year old foreign man (who I do not love and whose physical appearance and personality makes me want to vomit) because I can migrate and he can financially support me and my extended family. I have sold myself and my body for external benefits. I am not an actual prostitute because I have charged money by an hourly rate for sex, but am I a cultural prostitute?
I think these concepts that I propose have been the most offensive to a lot of filipino people who have read this entire thread.
What I am saying may be applicable to them and their own motivations and choices. However, they have never thought of themselves as prostitutes and hence they take offence at the truth.
@TanfromAustralia
Just to give you an idea of how much the average citizen is making here.
In manila, the minimum wage is PHP 440 = USD 9.9/a day
In provinces like here in cebu it's PHP 320 = USD 7.44/a day
But not all companies are paying their employees with minimum salary. Factory workers are paid for PHP 200/for 12 hrs work without healthcare and benefits. There are tons of cases reported and filed against these exploitations at the Department of Labor and employment, our corrupt government is being paid to turn a blind eye.
Bottom class prostitutes makes about PHP 500 to PHP 2500 per costumer (USD 11.62 to USD 58), although there are some cases i know who are doing it in exchange for a meal and a roof on their head for one night.
Class B prostitutes here make around PHP 2500 to PHP 5000 per costumer(USD 58 to USD 117)
Class A starts from PHP 5000 above per costumer.
Ofcourse, if they get lucky enough to find a foreigner to marry them, they will get out of the business, have more money and live a good life. Hence, this trend began.
khayM:
Thank you for those figures on the minimal wage.
But what about the cost of living in the Philippines?
Can you let us know so we can put it all in context?
@TanfromAustralia
It depends. Some regions have higher cost of living compared to imperial manila.
To eat 3x day with decent meals costs about PHP 150/day per person. not including the other basic commodities such as water, shelter, clothing, and electricity.
To live decently here, the monthly household income should be at least 20k pesos, even then, that is like living on the edge especially when there are kids. Most poor households do not make more than 5k a month.
Not all Filipina are the same. Me and my husband been married for 4 yrs now. Everything going out well. At first I don't want to live here in United States i tried to convince my husband to move in the Philippines but he can't his job is here. So we made an arrangement that when he retired we are going to settle down in the Philippines. I don't marry him for money because he don't have nothing no house, no money. After we got married we both work and bought a nice house to start a family. I can't ask for more. I love them so much. They are my life. There are two typed of people good and bad. I am very sorry for those who meet the bad one.
@TanfromAustralia - Thank you again for jumping to my defense. History has repeated itself a few times on this board already. They "scream" at people like us in CAPS, use God's name in vain, the whole time completely missing the point. I used the dvd player as an example of luxury goods because that was right in the video. I then drew a parallel with the lack of a TV in my house during my childhood. Some people seem to have a problem thinking abstractly. Next thing we know, there may be another drama in tagalog lol, just watch. Since when was my last post about me. I was talking about the family and societal influences that molded me and the women in my country. @khayM got that rightaway and responded with a post about family and peer pressures in PH.
@khayM - Thanks for your response. I am greatly inspired by your work and fortitude, and so glad we can have this dialogue on social issues affecting women. I think we have made some headway on this board. In the last little while, we have seen increased interest by educated filipinas stepping in with fair and honest comments, setting the record straight for us foreigners, calling a spade a spade in unbiased fashion. That's all we ask. We can also see the mammoth task you and your team at CoRRECT have at hand. Of course the executives have to address the issue from the top. The change from presidential to parliamentary government makes perfect sense. Also long overdue.
It is one thing to say family ties are strong. What kind of family would push their own flesh and blood down such a path of abject dehumanization. Where's the love? Sure it exists in some poverty-stricken countries, but not on the scale as in PH. I also know that many locals frown upon this as well. Yet, @TanfromAustralia and myself have been challenged to death in the debate over ingraining and culture. Nobody's that blind and stupid here. Now we see why OFWs are soliciting in family restaurants (with children around) in their host countries. Their mom taught them that before they came out. Yet someone accused me of being unqualified to comment with knowledge gleaned purely from internet information.
I am also beginning to wonder if the real reason for having so many children that one can ill afford is the lack of family planning education. Or is it a "business" of producing marketable commodity to rich but old foreign men? Something to think about.
Now I have another question - since PH families are mostly large in numbers, even if the income per family member is small, if everyone under the same roof were to each take a job, the combined income will add up to a survival level, wouldn't it? After all, we have read often on this board and others about foreign husbands being asked to buy/build big houses for their pinay wives' entire family to live in. PH families have no problem living under the same roof so long as the house is nice and new and big and built with foreign money?
I understand that these incidents do happen. Not only in the Philippines. But elsewhere. In order for an individual not to be victimized by others. Keep an eye about the person's background before you can move forward to the next step. Remember. Where ever you go. There are always risks you have to take.
THE AUTHOR OF THIS HAS A NARROW MIND... YOU SEE HE DELETED SOME COMMENTS HERE HAHAHAHA
THEN DONT COME IN OUR COUNTRY... IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO MARRY A FILIPINA IN THE FIRST PLACE... YOUR CHOICE YOU ARE A LOSER!
@Sonia:
No, you're the loser.
And a prostitute. It takes a prostitute to defend one.
Hey Tan from Australia. Let me guess, you're some fat fucking bald ass from down under, you couldn't get laid to save you're fucking life. So you went to the Philippines and fell in love with a Filipina, only to lied to, dumped, or taken for the chump you are. Boy, can you imagine how horrible it is for a nice hot young girl to sleep with your stinky, ragged old ass? The smells & bad breath, the fat jowls? You're a loser, buddy So quit with the hate, and straighten your own life up. Oh next time your in Illigan City, stop by
I'll kick your ass from there to Davao City old man. It's assholes like you that fuck it up for young guys like me. I am a business man, i have a great staff in Illigan, and I love the people there.
@Wade C:
Wrong on all counts.
I am not old, fat nor have I been to the Philippines.
It is such a filipino trait to make blatant assumptions about other people.
But I guess that pimps in your country need to assume that all foreigners fit a certain profile.
Wow, this blog is a melting pot for bigots and bad judges of character. I've found my soulmate in Makati and she's had her green card for a few years now. I could never imagine finding a relationship this close in America. After 30 years of trying to date and/or marry American women I gave on that for good.
Also, my filipina wife and I have dozens of fil-am couples as friends. In fact, they are the reason I ever looked to the Phils in the first place. These people have happy familes and successful committed long-term marriages. I have yet to personally hear about someone who actually got married to a filipina who took advantage of them and left.
Of course, in the process of searching I was approached by numerous scammers, mostly alleged to be Russian, and a few desperate filipinas that I avoided to be sure. Most were very genuine and nice but I did not meet them. I guess if you're a bad judge of character in the US, you could be a bad judge of character abroad too.
i disagree that,actually i am Filipina and i'm in relationship of american men before but he leave me when he met other filipina women,but every time he visit me here in the Philippines i did not ask him anything,he only offered to buy some grocery for my family,but that's all !!! actually for me love is powerful than money !!! as a Filipina lot's of Filipina dream to mate a american men because we heard that american men is loving and honest person,not because of money !!!!
@objectivelyspeaking
"What kind of family would push their own flesh and blood down such a path of abject dehumanization. Where's the love?"
it's the delusion of love, false interpretation of family ties, greed, and the lack of empathy towards its own members. children are being manipulated at a very young age with these false notions. you will literally witness mothers talking to their unborn child that when they grow up, they will be the one to take care of the family, but are not obliged to send their children to school. The lack of RH bill is mainly because of the strong influence of the Catholic Church in the government and its people, hence, the growing population and the growing poverty. Money and the dream of getting out of poverty without lifting a finger is their primary motivation when driving their children to destruction. It's a pattern that is being passed through generations.
I worked as a volunteer before and participated in educating the urban poor about the RH. At the end of the day, we were labeled as the heretics of the church and were called names. Most of these people's children are begging on the streets or are subjected to child labor, and the girls will eventually become prostitutes ones they hit puberty.
As you already know, this nation have a very high tolerance when it comes to child abuse and prostitution, but not to change and criticisms. Objective criticisms are not well accepted either.
It is very demotivating and disheartening most of the time. Out of 95M population,let's say 45M of voting age, so far CoRRECT has gathered few thousands supporters, with few hundreds active advocates, most are OFWs. I wasn't surprised at all when I saw the BBC survey on global pay scale and that Philippines is the third from the lowest.
I know a lot of filipinas who shares my advocacy, I've worked with them before and we all agreed that this cycle has to end, but we are always stuck on figuring how.
"since PH families are mostly large in numbers, even if the income per family member is small, if everyone under the same roof were to each take a job, the combined income will add up to a survival level, wouldn't it?"
-another pattern I've noticed is that, once a child started earning money, parents will stop working and they will pass all that responsibility to that child. sure, if they all work with minimum wage pay, they will survive, just to survive, without savings and health care.
"PH families have no problem living under the same roof so long as the house is nice and new and big and built with foreign money?"
-with the lost of dignity and false sense of pride, yes, they have no problem with that, but this is common among the lower class. Middle classes and the rest of the upper scale, not so much. The middle class fathers have a name, pride and credibility to protect, that leeching for their daughter's foreign husband's money is a shame. But if it happens, it's usually the daughters who are seeking for approval and wanting to impress the family.
khayM:
That is quite an insightful perspective.
I think that people from poor countries (not only the Philippines) fall in lust with a false dream of the West.
Life can be very tough in the West because there is a great emphasis on a hard work ethic. What I mean is that in Western societies, EVERYBODY is expected to work once they turn 18 years old and are expected to strive for their OWN financial independence.
I work. I therefore also expect my wife to work. I am not a bad husband for having this expectation of her. I just believe in fairness and equality in our marriage. We both obtain benefits and make sacrifices together and equally. That is what a healthy marriage should be.
You state that in the Philippines, once children begin working, their parents stop working and expected to be taken care of financially. The problem with this cultural practice is that it promoted laziness and dependency as well as placing too much strain unfairly upon a few people for the benefit of many.
In Western societies, after children become adults, they do not financially support their parents or vice versa.
The notion of supporting extended family is very much frowned upon in the West. That is why a lot of foreign men who marry filipinas can't accept. A lot of these men don't fully realise the culture they are marrying into. Conversely, a lot of filipinas don't realise (or don't care) about the values of independence and autonomy in the West.
Hence the trouble and mutual disappointment in the final analysis.
Western men get pissed off when they are working 2 jobs and have 5 hours of sleep a night so that their filipina wife can send back money to her parents and siblings. Wouldn't any person in these men's positions get pissed off as well? I definitely would.
I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years and I have seen a lot during that time.
I truly get it. I really do.
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And I am not saying that it is fair that I am earning a high salary in my job whilst a person in the Philippines earns a drastically lower amount for working harder. It is NOT fair.
However, in order to live and survive, we all need to carry a respectable work ethic within us. This means that a person should still be willing to work and be responsible for their survival even if their circumstances are limited.
Once and if the situation in the Philippines is fixed up, economic prosperity will slowly come to your people.
However, that will not happen until and unless you people change your work ethic.
@TanfromAudtralia
Speaking of work ethics, google "Noynoying" (courtesy of our president) and you'll have an idea what kind of work ethics most filipinos have. You can laugh or weep with us.
I'm gay, I'm 18, i have a current boyfriend from Tennessee he is my first and only boyfriend .
I met him through facebook, first started talking about applications,helping each other with quests,talking about currencies, collections, felt like was just a normal chat for me until the time he tries to tell me he misses me when i don't get on facebook leaves 2-3 different offline messages a day, trying to like my photos, and it made me feel awkward, because i really don't think someone would actually like me and even my photos, but the time he asked me "will there be a chance that you might get attracted to me the same way as i am attracted to you?" i felt something special, i knew he was honest, so i asked him why, then he said he felt those typical feelings that you encounter when you fall in love (butterflies in the stomach, he is always excited to get on fb just to see if i respond to his message, he had constant day dreams about me (which i really don't believe)and that he has thought of me most of the time. i was scared, im only 16 that time and he is 21 so we have an age gap of 5 years, and i really don't feel so confident about how i look, so many insecurities in me (I like him a lot in the first place) i just couldnt believe he would actually like me too (they say:age doesnt matter but im not even at the right age to fall in love and my first thought about long distance relationship and love over the net is imposible, that it wouldnt last for a lifetime or even a year until i met him, everything changed, seriously, i had already made up my mind that if i were to settle down and have a family ,I would choose to settle with him (though this is a gay relationship i had hopes that this relationship would last a decade atleast) I Love him with all of my heart, he tells me he loves me too. but there is something i really wish not to happen, that he would still try to tell me he still loves me even if he doesnt , so i told him " please tell me if you don't love me anymore, ill let you make the first move, you decide and ill try to accept it even if it's hard, I gotta let you go , so just tell me okay?" then he says "my feelings for you will never change, im sure about that"
and im so happy, we are already boyfriends for 2 years,thanks to skype and we still cry to each other in front of the camera when we say "I wish you were here" and " I will love you forever" i hope it's not just because of the fact that were 13,000 miles away from each other that we feel like we need each other but because of the love that we feel for each other . he told me his mom was actually scared that i would just make money out of him, when the first time he introduced me to her mom through skype she was smiling gladly and trying to learn how to pronounce my nickname "Chandi" so i kinda relate to this topic, life has been so hard on me, my dad was a former miner, so we are well off but as time passes by, dad is drinking so much,wasting so much money on gambling, so we lost everything, i was born with in a poor situation, but it doesnt mean i loved him for some reason which is to take advantage of him, i always tell him i have problems, but i dont mean it like im asking money from him, he doesnt have a job so how can i ask money? well i don't plan on asking money, i have my pride i will work hard for my family myself, he said he wants to help but, but i know he can't so i just tell him not to worry ,i need moral support from my boyfriend, and we already promised each other that we will be honest with each other we will open up everything from the moment he wake up ( the time, what did he eat for breakfast , what happens everyday, at school, at the LGBT ) he keeps me updated through offline messaging nd i read it every end of the day, while we were still starting i go on skype everyday i spend 3 hours everyday in a cafe, even if i don't have money i find a way to have some so i can see him , all he does is just lay on his bed turn on his computer, and talk, then sleep , wake up get ready for school, then go home, eat dinner then turn on the computer again and talk. they are rich so he doesnt have to find a job, but still i want him to be independent, while his dad is preparing for his housing loan or something, he needs to have a stable job ready for our future, money is a part of everything that happens in life, especially if he tells me he wants to build a future with me, and we live together in the states it's his responsibility also to provide financial help, well i don't want to live there though, i rather want him to live here with me in the Philippines, have a simple life, normal house, but he insist, he said it will be better to live there than here, and I respect that, I feel so happy when i get to talk to him and for me that is already enough, i can work my ass out to help my family while im at the states, but we are both guys so we both need to have a job.
so everyone do not Generalize, be open minded for once, money is just a part of the lives of everyone, we need to balance each and everyones responsibilities the "Guy" needs to support his family financially, emotionally, spiritually, show your wife/partner you love her, the "Woman" as well has a responsibility to make her family feel the love , contain it inside the household, keep everything in order, give moral support to each member of the family, and for starting couples, sometimes you need to sacrifice at least once for your beloved partner, helping , through sending money, is good, just don't overdo it, make your partner understand that you need to save for your future, and the partner also understands, and should be thankful for the help that his/her partner extends, I'm so sad to hear these concerns, i know you guys had a nightmare with your partners and I am aware that it gets totally out of control, but i also hope you understand the kind of situation that my fellow filipinos are into right now, life is so hard in a corrupt country, i'm glad to hear there are "Kind-hearted, Sacrificing, and Loving" guys left on this world, that are willing to give everything for love, but please don't judge us generally, for my situation if i were to ask money from someone, it wouldnt be jsut for myself, but for my family, think about the reasons why your wife did that to you,and Girls it's so nice to know that someone loves you so strong, for who you are, for what you are, don't waste the opportunity to find true love, money is everywhere,you can find that easily but trust,love,understanding? so hard to find right now,I know myself that some people jsut becomes so greedy and that's not good.
I might not have much experiences with relationships, but i have things in which i believe in and i use it as my guide , im sure it's not bad to share my thoughts and express it here right? i jsut hope everyone could read this, and maybe it helps a little :)
Everyone! let us learn to forgive, and forget, move on, be happy, the right person will come to you soon, God has plans for all of us , let's just keep our faith in him that he will give us the happiness we've all been looking for :)
Have a good day everyone!
-Chris-
(P.S. if you could have time to view my profile , i have a Facebook that's cheburashka909@yahoo.com :) see ya!
I respectfully and admired Mr. Adams a Frenchman on his comments here.
Yawn.
wow, ur still here tanfromoustralia? i guess you have to change your display name here because u are not from australia but instead you are from vietnam, its quite long time that i did not come and read the comments on this tread and now that i came here your the only one i see who is commenting to all the comments here. hahaha a false lawyer or a lawyer that was kicked off from his job thats why you just spend your time in reading and replying all the comments. YOUR SUCH A BIG LOSER..... idiot, you're happy when you read comments that agree to what you preach here but if someone will say a positive things aobut filipina you protest... LOOSER PIG
its very clear here that you are ULTRAMAGNUS the author of this tread, as far as we all know. if you're not the author why do u spent your time here in reading all the comment.... malaka, looser,
what i do find out about these Filipinos in the Bahamas, they look down at Bahamian and calling them stupid,but one thing i have to say if they don't stop trying to con their way in married men heart something sad going to happen, Bahamian men don't take things light when you rob them, the second thing is most of them who marry Bahamian men they marrying then young boys just to get papers it wrong, THEY DON'T LOVE THESE MEN ALL THEY WANT IS MONEY AND CITIZENSHIP RUN MEN RUN
Are you claiming the things I write about the filipino people untrue?
Wow i have been reading the whole thread and i dont know why people wasting their time arguing about it. And wow to @tanfromaustralia man you seem got kicked on the balls by a filipina woman to hate them like that. Wow!
The author of this had been clearly left by a filipina to have such a hatred. How old are you, if I may ask? 40, 50, 60, 70? your ex-gf/ex-wife, in her 20's or early 30's? Well, if you are clearly 10 years older than her, you could have seen it yourself coming that she was just using you.
Don't generalize all Filipinos, because the ones you are seeking for the honest and good hearted filipino woman are not interested in any foreigners, who travel to the Philippines to meet their future wife. That's why all you meet are whores in bars, because every regular Filipina that came from a good school doesn't have the urge to meet a foreign guy ( to be honest, we are even making fun of foreigners who hooks up with younger filipina woman, that would clearly leave him. Do you really think, she loves your sexy old beer belly?) C'mon Filipinas are not blind to hook up with an ugly guy, if you cannot get a woman in your country, what makes you think the woman in Philippines would be into you.
The ones you all call whores and sluts, are woman who came from an unfortunate family, that had been eating probably 1 time in a day in her childhood, that has many siblings to feed, that knew about blackberry only from the TV, never had a comfortable bed, living in the slums, etc etc.
Filipino ethics, unlike many countries, we love our family, we'd support them no matter what, that's why filipinos travel to other country because to get out of the hardship in the Philippines. Lowest monthly wage is 2500 pesos which is about 50 dollars, try to feed, how many? 10 siblings with that. Yes, alot of the people from the slums havent heard about ethics, they have heard about survival.
I know that, because I have been working for a charity for the longest time and was working with these people.
Why CAN YOU EVER SAY...I'M NOT PROUD TO BE A FILIPINA? Our History is Holy, we had pride, we are in hardship..But Philippines is a beautiful country, yes dirty..but we have beautiful beaches, delicious food, every pinay that has been living outside the philippines eventually go back to die there.
To foreigners that are seeking Filipina woman. A regular filipina woman who is not seeking for your greencard, doesn't believe in on a 1 day, 1 month or even 6 months courting. YES, we do like courting and be charmed, it takes sometimes years until we say yes to start dating you. Before we even marry the man we want to be with, it takes years again.
So, if a girl says yes at day 1 or after 1 month...be a little bit suspicious about it.
Yes, alot of them are good liars. If you came for a vacation to the Philippines for a month to meet your wife? Than be sure it is not going to be your wife for very long. No honest filipina woman would want to go to an agency to meet her future, because that is pathetic.
So, ya'll who had been hurt by a filipina because of leaving you and using your marriage, done it to yourself, to be fooled like that. ... coming to the Philippines to find a wife. really?
The better thing for foreign men to do is stay away from the Philippines altogether.
I have. And I have never been happier.
I do not totally agree your comment regarding Filipino women. That characer traits you described are applicable to any women of different nationality. I am Filipina and it never occur to me that I used my husband for money. I love and care for him. However there are Filipinos that perhaps they married an American or Australian men thinking that the relationship will work. It cannot be denied that most Filipinos helped their families financially as we are all family orientated. Most Filipinos expect that their husband would understand and helped them out. However there are husbands that so selfish, there are husbands so demanding not to mention their drinking habits. Most importantly there are husbands that no trust for their wives particularly moneywise. In the Philippines most husbands would give their earnings to his wife. so these things counts so much. If a foreign husband has difficulty of embracing our traditions and culture and the trust and caring I guess no women would stick around.
That's it. Just stay away from Filipinos and Philippines.
yes bitdem and get money hahahahahah. real GOLDFISHERS.
PHILIPINO BOMBOKLAAAT!!! And de don like africanass!!!!
de love white rockets u WA DON U LIKE AFRICANASS!!!!
it applies to every nationality & probably to those who doesnt know that Americans are broke..
@crossroads:
Not every nationality makes pimping and prostitution into such a prominent and acceptable cultural tradition.
I know a man who recently came back from a short holiday in Manila.
He said to me, "whilst we shake hands in Australia as a gesture to greet people, the equivalent filipino cultural tradition to greet people is by having sex with them".
Just to feed your little gook brain
http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-general-dis
Asian women in general are insane. When they have a man, they think they OWN him even worse then a western woman. Watch out....and don't get me started on the game they play: sweet girl in public, super bitch when no one else is around....
In the UAE. There are Chinese prostitutes too but do you know why guys there doesn't end up having relationship with those Chinese? Because they are dirty and smelly.
I travel a lot too. And not only Filipinas have bad reputation. It just happened that that's all you know. Can't blame you for that.
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http://www.tourism.gov.ph/SitePages/contactus.aspx
I hope this will be reviewed.
For the umpteenth time - we are not talking about prostitutes here. Geez who doesn't know every country has them from the history of time. We are talking about women who are birthed and bred to market themselves as perfect wives to foreign men, so that her family can loot his assets for a better life in the Philippines, without having to do any real work themselves. We are talking about the pinay OFW domestic maid who makes offers to the male employer he can't refuse, resulting in the foreign wife with her young children suddenly finding herself thrown out of a marriage before she knew what hit her.
Again - the title of this thread is "Be very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines".
I think it is a very good thing that this thread gets reviewed by the PH government. A government who cares is one that welcomes feedback on the state of affairs about their people from the grassroots level, what their people and foreigners think about the way they are running the country, how things can be done better. How the PH government is going to react to this thread will give us even more of the truth we foreigners are seeking. We want peace and prosperity, happy families, responsible citizenship for the whole world - the Philippines included.
I am a filipina doctor, who at 33 years old, still single, never married, no kids, whatsoever. I am from a third world country but have managed to finish my medical school through study/scholarship grants and financial aids by the government. And who says we need men for our tuition fees?
I am a living testimony that not all Filipinas are gold diggers. If I am, I would have married after high school. I turned down a rude korean who made it clear on our blind date (the first and last) that he wanted something else from me, hoping in his discriminating empty skull that I will submit and cling to him like a boa constrictor after incessantly telling me that his family is well-off in korea, his elder sister is working at a major bank in Korea or that he changes cellphones like he changes his toothbrush.
I had male classmates in medical school who would show off their latest cellular phones while talking to me after offering a lunch or dinner date with me. Which I declined.
I had an exboyfriend who is a Filipino who is a US Navy now the chief, who also kept offering his money to me but I seriously declined.
What are the common denominator in all of these men? Yes, you're right, offering money and status instead of LOVE.
Here is the rationale for men:
Education+Good Job+Huge Money= Good wife and great family.
I mean: where is Love in the addition process?
Shouldn't it be:
Good personality+good attitude+stable job+Jesus= good wife and great family?
The funny thing about some people who are generalizing Filipinas and demoralizing women in general is that, you are very selfish. Selfish to give love. Even the most stubborn woman could stay with you until you die if you treat her right and if you show her love and respect.
The husbands' money, as they claim, does not give them any right to belittle their wives, cheat on them, or trample their hearts or ask them to wash their clothes, clean their houses all at the same time. Remember, marriage is a partnership not Lordship of who earns how much.
Women, in general, needs love and respect.
Russian women, French girls, American women who are fearlessly showing their anatomies which you only literally should see on your thick medical books, and all the other women involved in women trafficking or are in porn sites are merely victims because they have not enlightened themselves that not all things can be bought by money. Happiness, real joy, honesty, character, dignity and AIDS-free body are priceless. These women are also looking for love and respect despite what they have gone through. They need someone who can show them a good, holier life.
Not all Filipinas look for money. Just like not all foreign men are maniacs.
@mksemd:
But you also make generalisations about people whom are critical about the Philippines and its people by suggesting that we are "selfish" when it comes to love.
For a "doctor" who is supposedly intelligent, I have no idea how you can make that correlation.
People who are critical of your culture and its people are critical because your values and practices are at odds with standards of decency.
Whilst your own personal situation may be different to the majority of filipinas (for which I commend you), nobody can seriously believe you when you suggest that filipinas are looking for "love" and be loyal to a man if they "treat them right". That is the most laughable fallacy I have come across.
When it comes to these men, if draining themselves financially to support their leech filipina wife and her leech extended family is not enough, then I don't know what is.
But filipinas, being the cultural prostitutes that they are, they always tend to move on and look for a better gig. Their instinct for survival and material comfort is too strong and as people, they are way too weak to develop a backbone to stand on their own two feet and financially support themselves. This also extends to their extended family. They all want the "good life" at someone's expense and effort.
If you feel that these things I say about your culture and people are false, please tell me why.
@Vien:
Who cares about that video about prostitutes in China?
I am so bored of people trying to bring back the 'your country has more prostitutes' debate back as a means to disguise the true issues.
Are you trying to tell us something new?
@objectivelyspeaking:
Of course people know what the true debate here is about (in line with the subject article).
This thread is too old and long in the tooth for people not to get it.
We are not talking about bargirls or street prostitutes.
We are talking about the cultural prostitutes of the Philippines to dress themselves up as the ideal wife for Western men.
There are still new posters who suggest that Western men can avoid being scammed if they avoid bargirls.
That is such a laughable fallacy because they men don't tend to marry bargirls. Rather, they tend to marry (and get scammed by) women who misrepresent themselves as the ideal wife to them.
The filipino posters in this thread get what we are saying. A lot of them just find the *truth* too offensive to accept.
And why is that? Because it calls into question some of the choices they have made.
I knew a filipina many years ago through her husband, who was my client. He sponsored her on a marriage visa to come to Australia. They are no longer together now (surprised anyone?).
She acted like she had suceeded by finding a foreign husband to sponsor her. When she came to Australia, she acted as though she had made it somehow, the way someone would act as though they had graduated from medical or law school.
She didn't realise that she was a prostitute. And least a cultural one. She was riding on someone else's back to obtain a better life for herself.
I thought she was a prostitute, only I did not tell her to her face.
She was entirely dependent on her foreign husband to support herself and her extended family. She was capable of working, but was too lazy.
When compared to an actual prostitute, you can at least respect the street prostitute at least for working a job and earning her own income. The street prostitute is more financially independent and has a better work ethic.
And the work of a street prostitute is more honest and less hypocritical than the "work" of cultural prostitutes.
@TanfromAustralia - You know that I have spent the last 6 months pressing for the truth until it finally came out from their own. In that 6 months, numerous attempts have been made to silence me and those like-minded. Long-time observers and expats residing in PH have come forward to post that the pinays who lie and deny have been unmasked. Another posted more recently about the "wall" these pinays and their pimps/supporters try to build in order to continue deceiving the world. As if they have not done enough to destroy their own society and the reputation of their whole country, they want to ramp their gunk down our throats. Repeatedly. Using poverty as an excuse is an easy road. There are so many people in much poorer living conditions in other parts of the world who have to till the land for food or starve (if anything grows in it at all), whose daughters work in far away factories under squalid sometimes unsafe conditions, whose sons work in dangerous mines that may collapse on them at any moment. Are they not just barely surviving too? Do they gang up as a family using their daughters to loot and mooch off foreigners like these pinays do? Who doesn't love family? We do too! We don't expect someone else to pay for their luxuries.
New or old posters, whether they truly don't get it or are just pretending, THE TRUTH BEARS REPEATING. You and I, and I invite all those who see the same light, to come forward to repeat this truth. These constant denials and the different forms of denials just go to show how adamant these people are in perpetuating this filipina-perfect-wife-deception. The good and decent filipinas have no need to market themselves to foreign men like that. They have spoken, we have heard them. I don't doubt that there are good and decent PH nationals, but this malignant tumor of scammer-pinay-wives far outnumbers the good filipinas. The educated filipinas from good families represent a very small number in the country. They are the same as any good woman in other countries. The evil-doing pinays whose sole goal in life is to scam unsuspecting foreign men into marriage are like nothing the rest of the world has ever seen in their own countries. From New Zealand to The Bahamas they want to continue doing their dirty deeds. These are the ones this thread is about. These are not street prostitutes or regular whores. I have posted so many moons ago that pinays have re-defined the business of whoring.
To the one who said don't go to PH looking for a wife - please take a look at the 3 out of 6 Hubs on the top-right sidebar of this thread marketing filipina brides and girls.
For as long as they keep trying to deny and deviate, we will keep repeating the truth. As many times as it takes.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I hear you loud and clear.
Since I came to this board, there have been attempts to discredit me as well. But the bottom line is: I do not have to make up lies about myself in order to make a point. That is what the filipino people do best. It is a case of them projecting themselves and their traits onto other people.
They have shown that they can turn on one of their own, khayM, for merely having the honesty to admit the truth. That kind of refutes their claim that you and I do not know what we are talking about because we are not filipino and/or understand filipino culture. One of their own admitted it, so they turned on her like she is a traitor. A traitor...for telling the truth? khayM had the courage to not defend certain things about her culture because it is undefendable. You would have to respect someone like that.
I understand why they are so threatened by the existence of this entire thread. This thread is a threat to their self-marketing campaign aimed putting themselves out there as the ideal wives to Western men as a means to procure marriage and migration.
The 'filipina-wife-from-Heaven'fallacy is no longer sustainable in light of personal stories from men bursting onto the internet. Real life experiences are way more credible than any piece of bullsh*t fiction coming out of the mouths of filipino pimps and prostitutes and lofty internet articles exclaiming the "virtues" of filipinas as wife material.
You are also right, objectivelyspeaking, when you say that women from other poor countries do not resort to actual or cultural prostitution in order to survive.
Arabic women do not prostitute themselves at all.
And Indian women do not prostitute themselves to a large extent.
Prostitution is a cultural tradition in the Philippines.
"TanfromAustralia - As Storm2012 on dragonladies had said in his post about cycling through the group of 4 pinays in Florida - they have no problem scandalizing their own friends. Corrupt government and mothers (who are btw the previous generation of filipinas) pimping out their own daughters aside, another trait about PH people is that they are very capable of selling out their own people at any cost. Take for example the fee OFW domestic maids have to pay to the PH maid agencies. It is the equivalent of 7 months` salary. Then there are the business owners who grossly underpay the girls who try to work a decent job in manufacturing or retail. $50 per month for 12-hour work days? Can these people honestly sleep at night?? As for me, I no longer hire domestic maids. I pay for cleaning ladies who charge the market rate of $30 per hour. I am happier to support the business enterprise of another immigrant who like me many years ago, is here to build a new life. If I can`t afford the $30 per hour, I get on my knees and scrub my own floor. Fair is fair.
I am hoping those foreigners here who talked about doing business in PH and hiring local labour are paying them fair and better wages too.
I am a Filipina and married to American, we're both in our 50's both our purpose in marrying is for companionship but later as the years passed we both love each other very much... I belong to a professional family here in the province with a good background... My husband is a poor guy from America, I want to live here in the Philippines family but my husband likes it there so we live there. This is to tell you both Mr. Tan@Australia and Mr. Ultramagnus. I am a diabetic and I maintain maintain medicines for it.. I tell you this not even once even if I dont have money I can remember I ask money from my husband because I am ashame to... as I've read your messages both here it is a good thing I don't consider all Americans and Australians are pickle, narrow minded, and bitter like you two. My advice to both of you is consult a pyschiatrist.
Hi Guys,
I've been dating through long distance relationship a Filiphina Women for about 3 years now. She is from Cebu and now kinda pushing me for a working Visa to come to Australia. the first week i met her online she said she was madly in Love with me, which raised my eybrow a bit, but ever since then everything has been going steady. Ive been over to the Philiphines 3 times now to be with her, 1 time i travelled to meet up with her and her parents, each of the trips i spent approx 10-12 days there over the course of the last 3 years. Her parents were quite friendly and i donated some money to each family member as a sign of good will while i met them, something perhaps i felt uncomfortable doing. She now says she wants to be with me but pushing to work in Australia. She has a steady job in Cebu and I provide approx $75 AUD support + a little extra per month for her to live in a boarding house which is convenient to her work. She has actually been to Australia for a 6 week holiday which i paid for fully that was about 1 year ago. The last trip i was over there about 4 months ago and spend about 10 days there. Is she genuine? She has my pictures posted up in her bedroom and we chat almost very night through Yahoo. I do Love her but am worried she may only be interested in AUS residency and my property only and not me. She is single around 29 with no children, i am mid 40's. Shall i get another holiday VISA but this time for 3 months to see how she fares here?
Pierre:
There are several things which trouble me about your story. The warning signs are there and you should not ignore them:
1. The fact that "she was madly in love with me" after about 1 week of meeting on the internet is a worrying sign. Her declaration of love cannot be genuine and is likely to be fabricated to procure some external benefit. If you view yourself as a reasonably intelligent person, how can you dismiss this behaviour?
2. The fact that you have demonstrated a willingness to financially support her and her family means that she will sink her claws deeper into you. You probably have a generous personality and it is from that intention that you are financially assisting her and her family. However, should you marry her, ask yourself you have the capacity to financially support her and her family forever, because that is certainly their expectation of you. Ask yourself whether you will get pissed off working 2 jobs and getting a few hours of sleep per night so that you wife can send your income to her brother/sister so that sibling does not have to work.
3. Funding her numerous trips to Australia is a very bad idea. Her brief time spent in Australia does not enable her to gain an appreciatiion of how hard we Australians work in order to earn income. During her brief time here, she will cultivate a false impresssion of what she perceives to be the good life and therefore giving her more incentive to procure emigration over here at any cost.
Furthermore, because these filipinas are scammers, do not think for one miinute that she would be truly appreciative and loyal to you because of all that you have done for her and her family. The little b*tch is keeping her options open, trust me about this. That means that if she finds a wealthier man much older than you who is richer, she will have no qualms in ditching you and hooking up with him because he has better prospects.
Filipas are mostly bad news; they are nasty. There are a few genuine and good filipinas out there, but being able to land them is like winning the lottery. It is like accidentally finding a valuable diamond in a large pile of cow dung.
Give this filipina the flick and find a woman in Australia who does not need a visa and who is financially independent.
I always say to my male clents (I'm a lawyer, by the way) that: "If true love was meant to happen, it would happen with someone in Australia who doesn't need a visa".
I used to be an immigration lawyer for 6 years. At the end of that time, I came to detest my job so much because I mostly had filipino people as clents who applied for spouse visas. I ceased working as an immigration lawyer by my own choice when it came to a point in time that I hated the work so much, I actually tried to talk myself out of work by turning clients away. That was a sure sign that I needed to find another job.
Pierre@ the warning sign is there run.
@ Pierre
Yes.. be very careful.. this one is taking her sweet time to pull you in closer. why wouldn't she, you are already supporting her..
The killer thing about these women in these situations is that while you are both living mostly separate lives in different countries it makes it very easy for her to have other lovers (quite often they do)and tell you what you want to hear. fill you up with lies that make you want them even more.. say things to make you feel more and more sorry for them.. etc...etc...etc...
But after making the move to another country, leaving all behind, the freedom of her other life and possibly the laid back laziness that you were led to believe she was not. Unbeknown even to them, they start to feel cramped very fast and that's when the truth comes out. It seems that it can happen very fast depending on the situation.. all of a sudden its just you and her.. hmmmm.. look out... protect yourself... you have maybe a 50-50 chance..
@pierre
this girl sounded like bad news written all over her..
I am a Filipina myself but I would never ask for money from my boyfriend, especially to support or give to my family.
Please remember that once money is involved, then you have to doubt a person's sincerity. PLUS she wanted a WORKING VISA????? a big NO NO please.
Run the other way... A girl who knows what is morally and legally right will never ask her boyfriend for support (such as paying for her boarding house, or spending money for her family when you're there????)... She sounded very able and working-- why not work her ass off so that she can have a better life? If she wanted to work abroad, then find some other ways, but not by using you so that you can sponsor her for a WORKING VISA.
You said you wanted her to try living in AUS for 3 mos. Again, it might be a wrong move for you. A lot of things may happen during the 3 months that she's there. You are responsible for this person while she's there. Are you willing to take on that responsibility? Do you know her that well, her intentions, her values in life, the way she was brought up by her family?
It is a great risk. If you are willing to take that risk, think what will happen to you if things go wrong, would you be able to pull yourself together and move on? Or would you rather think carefully about this now, to avoid any untoward incidences in the future?
All the red flags are there.. you just have to open your eyes and look at things objectively, even just for once.
Good luck and I hope you make the right decision.
A filipina asking a foreign man for money may suggest that something is wrong, but if she does not ask for money, then it is not necessarily a sure indicator as to whether her intentions are genuine.
To suggest otherwise would be too simplistic and lull these men into a false sense of security.
These women are able to scheme into the long-term. That means that their ultimate goal is migration. If they sense that these men are uncomfortable with financially supporting them at the outset, these women will not ask for money. They reason that migration is much more worthwhile because when they migrate, they will have more opportunities to procure money.
The sad reality is there is no way to know for sure whether these filipinas are genuine. A lot of the time, there are NO warning signs because if someone is intent to disguise their true motivation or intention, then there is no way to know until they decide that it is the right time to manifest those motivations.
The best thing for foreign men to do is avoid marrying women from extremely poor countries because most of the time, these women are solely influenced by migration and economics when hooking themselves onto these men.
It is not hard to see a snake in the grass if someone truly opens their eyes.
I noticed that Objectivelyspeaking/TanfromAustralia is just one person. This person has mental disorder, a lunatic one. Poor guy... well I have to get out of this site. This is rotten... Bye guys! Objectivelyspeaking or TanfromAustralia you must go to the mental hospital.
@Mila:
And I noticed that you're an idiot.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
this is should not single out for a filipina alone. This is clear and a basis of being ''racist''. SPREAD LOVE AND NOT HATE.
unknown@Mila@ you people blind,this is a very serious problem, you need to help your people turn from the wicked ways, it seem to me they out for vengeance,i could look pass it if it was one case but they spreading their wings all over the world, we have to stop them before my son and who ever son get hurt
@unknown:
Yes, there are prostitutes in every country, but...
...I can't think of any other country which cultivates prostitution as a national profession like the Philippines.
What is the first thing foreign people think about when they think of the Philippines?
Im from Europe. Just to clarify not a retired, semi or full alcoholic fat divorced or sick person. I came here to the Philippines because i like to travel, i like different cultures and yes, im not a liar i have to confess i do find attractive asian women. I did a lot of trip here in the Philippines im working online and all of my income comes from there. So i had no problem with that to stay longer and spend more time here. Unfortunately my experience just the same. I have been together with a 24 years old girl after we met at province and we found each other attractive, honest and good. Because her family not let her to leave the family house, they invited me and told me to move their place. I found it a bit strange, but finally accepted because i really wanted to spend more time with her. Also i saw their place and i saw their are really poor, the garden is messy, they need help and i was pretty sure i can do it and help in all those things as well. I was wrong. Even i started to clear the garden, bought trash bins, tools, and all those things which is necessary to do those job somehow i felt that something is wrong. When i started to talk about why they keep buying firewood even i collected and dried a lots of wood, coconuts they said i should respect their culture. When i told to her brother he should help a little bit to the family and not just using facebook in his free time he cut the communication with me and starting a silence anger, just as i recognized before he did this with my girlfriend also. 1 day, my girlfriend had sick and she had to go to the hospital. I was with her in the hp, and when her mother told me she dont have money at the moment but her daughter who is abroad will send the money soon i said off course i can give some money. The final bill was pretty huge. After when we went home, i tried to talk with her mom, they should need a insurance. And i know they have no too much income but there is a lot of possibility to save money and i think they could and should. After few months, i was tired of things. i saw that they are totally ignorant. The brother started an argument and when he felt that he recognized that he is wrong, the situation turned to dramatic. He was screaming like a girl throwing things in the house and told me he hate me and i have to leave their place because i dont respect them. I told to my GF if they dont stop him i have to leave. They said just dont mind him, but i said no. They should explain to him and talk with him because i think i already did my part. They did not. They said its better if i leave the place. I was shocked. Obviously i left their house, and i was think my GF will also follow me. But she did not. She was calling me and told me she really sorry but she can not do anything. When i mentioned the money they looked at me like a bad person who want to rob them. The story not finished yet.
Go and don't look back.
If you cling on to that sort of trouble, you will be getting exactly what you deserve...
@ TanfromAustralia
About "What is the first thing foreign people think about when they think of the Philippines?"
I write just to add a different point of view:
I think that you have a national (i think that is true for all the english speaking countries) point of view : here in Italy if we think about foreign women that will marry you only to grab your gold or to take the citizenship we think about: Est europe women in general and expecially South/central america (brasilian, cuban over all)
I think that is expecially in USA/Australia that the common view about filipina women is prostitutes.
For example here in Italy filipina are .... maids , for example if your wife is angry because she did all the cleaning and coocking she can shout : "F@@@ you im not your filippina!"
It's also true that we know only the philippines women that come here to work and so maybe they are different from filipina living in the Philippines.
just my 2 cents !
Thank you SO MUCH ALL OF YOU! for helping me open my eyes! Thank you TanfromAustralia, talle, Jesse and JustPassingBy, I very much appreciate all of your valued comments.
You have all just prevented me from a major disaster!
I had a gut feeling that something was wrong with this girl, but you are all the first to actually give me an objective opinion, which Im grateful very much for!
Over that last 3 weeks, I have noticed, that as time goes on, she is getting more agrevated with me over the phone, as im not providing her with the exact date i will return and she is pushing for the date of that working VISA, even asking me, "did I talk to my Uncle about how to get the Visa", (My uncle is lucky to have met a very nice Filiphina and is happy in Love with her)
When I say no he is still searching, she says... "No Comment" and then just does not talk any further until then next day.
She even has even done some searching of her own and tried to register to look for Australian Jobs, something she was doing for a while before she even spoke to me about this. Seems like she is quite desperate to work in Australia?, and i guess im the poor guy who she will hook into to get her over the line.
My gut feeling and your replies have opened my eyes and well, you have all just saved me from a lifetime of misery!
My mother actually did warn me and well, my father had his doubts as well! as they have both met her when she was on a 6 weeks vacation here, she of course appeared very nice and courteous, but with a hidden agenda there.
One thing she did while she was here on that 6 weeks vacation, was leave half her clothes here? I quizzed this with her and asked why don't you take your good clothes back with you? I even offered to pay for the Packaged Clothes to be sent back... She replyed no I want you to keep them safe for me and look after them. Is this a sure sign she wanted to stay? Im talking about her best dresses and shoes, she would not take them back to the philiphines with her for some reason? So ive got them still in storage and I'd really like to pack them up and send them back.
At the very best, i may still talk on a casual basis with her but even then, hope to eventually forget her.
Thanks to all of you, I have listened to your advise and actually feel quite confortable living single for now,
Im actually a very shy nice person, extremely well liked and very pleasant personality, I guess she saw this in me and used it to her advantage.
How is it best to "kindly" say goodbye to her, I need to send her clothes back as well, is it best I just come up front and tell her that i feel she is using me for a better life or just politely say we are not compatible and i'd like to just stay casual friends?
Cheers to all
From Piere.
@ Pierre
you said she has been already searching for work there.. you know, thats not a bad thing.. she left clothes there..her best things..hmmmm ?
are her intentions true or not?
do a little investigating.. draw her out..
One thing i found in my own situation before it went bad was.. although this woman told me that i was the one she wanted to be with for the rest of her life and that she was totally in love with me.. i found it very strange at the time that she never took an interest in talking about or learning about my family, my heritage..
I say that because i took a total interest in hers and i think that is a natural way to be through the progression and growth of a real true loving relationship..
You do whatever you feel is right .
Although i had a situation that turned bad i still believe that for the most part there are a lot of very good filipino people.. I have many friends there as well as here in Canada where i live.. People that i trust..
So if you are planning to say goodbye Pierre, just try to get the answers for a few questions that you have running through your head.. we all hope that we are doing the right thing .. good luck to you ..
@Pierre:
Normally, when a man breaks off a relationship with a woman, he should do it in a very gentlemanly way, which means that he should do it face-to-face and in a very soothing and diplomatic way.
However,when breaking up with a filipina, the best thing to do is break up with her over the telephone or email, not in person. Communicate with her clearly and break up cleanly. This is because these women are expert scammers and are brilliant at using emotions and histionics to manipulate a man into staying with her. They will NOT let the man go easily.
If you have a generous personality and are susceptible to emotional blackmail, she will pull you right back in. She won't let you go without easily because you represent the things and opportunities that she wants in her future, which are emigration and a chance for a better life.
I have dealt directly with hundreds of filipinas for 6 years, so I know these women like I know the back of my hand.
I have a best male friend who is currently involved with a filipina who I strongly believe is using him to migrate to Australia. He had some doubts about her recently, so he asked her to her face whether she is using him to get a visa to Australia. She just broke down and cried, not because what he asked wasn't true, but because what he asked is TRUE, so she had to use emotions and histrionics to disguise her true motivations.
WALK AWAY CLEANLY AND DON'T LOOK BACK. You have to trust me on this.
Her and her family's desire to obtain a better life for themselves is not your responsibility or your problem.
Find a girl in Australia who is financially independent and who does not need a visa. There are more chances of that relationship working out because it would be based on a genuine premise.
This post is NOT aimed at the poster Pierre above, but aimed at Western men GENERALLY, from my own observations as a former migration lawyer.
Whilst some men may be unfortunate to encounter bad situations in life which arise totally unforseen and which have been through absoultely no fault of their own...
...men who get involved with filipinas and who ultimately get exploited from them cannot say in the final analysis that they (the men)were in a position whereby they had no inkling that doing so was a very, very bad idea.
Going to a poverty stricken country like the Philippines where the majority of women are actual or cultural prostitutes would mean that one can infer that most of these women have an overwhelming desire to procure marriage as a means to emigrate and financially support their extended family.
The scam should be obvious to anyone with an IQ of over 80, enabling one to see through the 'filipina-wife-from-Heaven' bullsh*t fallacy. Scammers are con artists, to suceed in conning you, they would have to be very convincing for the scam to work.
I think that a lot of Western men are the creators of their own doom in these sort of situations because they are incapable and/or unwilling to be honest with themselves.
A lot of these men are bored with Western women. Why? Are these men threatened by the honesty and independence of Western women? Western women have much more choices in their lives and refuse to put up with garbage from these men.
These men also tend to have expectations in women that are quite unreasonable and unrealistic. These men have their own shortcomings, flaws and defects, yet they expect their women to have the looks of supermodels and be their sex slave in the bedroom as well as their maid in the house.
Hence these men are susceptible to the filipina con job, the scam whereby these filipinas mould themselves into the ideal wives that these men are looking for. It is a scam. It is not real.
I think that these men should adjust their expectations in women into something more realistic and fair. If you are on a pauper's salary, it would be nonsensical to think that you could buy the world with that. Instead, you end up buying something that looks real, but is fake.
I agree with you Tanfrom Australia, I am from asian country too and now living in the US. I really dont like to be called a Fillipina here as most of them are scammers and only look for citizenship here. I have a friend who got divorced from A filipina wife as shecheated on him here and left him after 2 months living here. I also have some Filipina friends on Facebook, I mean they are nice but in terms of marriage relationship which they should have put some respects, they posted their sexy pics and attract comments from guys, and mostly they have two accounts on either facebook and skype. So better be careful if any foreign men are looking for a serious realtionship with a Fillipina woman.
bullshit
Guys, simple advice: Declare and clarify that you will never gonna give a permanent support back to her family. Do not be rude but clean-cut and definite. If her reaction will be offensive or she just turn rusty, the answer is there. Im not saying that they are prostitutes but i do say their are opportunist. Unfortunately this came from their childhood, this route is deep and for them totally acceptable and moral. For them help=money
@EU:
That would not work, either.
If the filipina's ultimate goal is emigration, the money issue will not surface until much, much later and after they have emigrated. They reason that emigration is more lucrative because they can earn big money by working in a foreign country. It is better than getting money in the short-term from men.
I know ALL of their games and tricks.
And I am saying that they are BOTH prostitutes and opportunists. That is how most of them are raised. It is hard to get beyond that.
Thanks to all for you comments again.
Im going to email her and let her know firmly but politely that i won't be sending anymore monthly payments (for her rent etc). She survived before she met me, she can survive again by making ends meet... Who knows, she may even have a nice bank account by now which she has not told me about.
My gut feeling is half of the money im currently paying, goes directly to her Family, which I just can't feel comfortable doing, I mean i dont even know them! Have met them briefly once, and have never received a xmas card or anything, even very minimal from them. It's almost like they expect the Foreigner to give and keep on giving no matter how hard i work.
I totally agree with Tanfrom Australia, its acually not my responsability to support her family and who knows.. even her extended family!
If the shoe was on the other foot, I myself would never ask for money, but instead make do with what i have and strive by working harder for a better job/pay etc rather than being lazy and taking the easy road of sapping from a Foreigner.
although hard to say goodbye, its something im going to do and meet a girl in Australia when the time comes.
There's plenty in our own country, i've just got to open my eyes and look.
Thanks all again and Take Care!
Cheers
Pierre.
@Pierre:
I am so glad that my advice made an impact on you.
Find a girl in Australia. There are no guarantees that any relationship will work out, but a girl here who doesn't need a visa is more likely to be genuine because she is getting involved with you on equal footing.
You want a woman who is willing to contribute equally to a relationship, not somebody who just totally expects you support her.
Asian women from overseas are way too much trouble. They carry this obsession with (extended) family loyalty so that they prostitutes themselves and cling on to Western men for survival.
Had you married this filipina, I don't think you could tolerate working hard to support her and her family for the long-term, so that they do not have to work (even though they are capable). They all would have exploited you until you are squeezed dry like a lemon.
I am truly glad that you have decided to break up with this filipina. When you write that email to her, make sure that you change email addresses and telephone numbers afterwards. You cannot give her a window to try to suck you back in because I am 100% sure that is what she will do. These women are as tenacious as leeches.
The Australian work ethic is a very tough one, which is why your values will be at odds with the laziness of the filipino mentality. The filipino people cannot accept that they are solely responsible for their own survival by working. They opt to leech of other people instead.
This filipina is BAD news. Find an Australian girl. I did. And I have a VERY happy and successful marriage. TRUST me on this.
never ever trust a fillipina they are totllay dishonest and only yes only car about their famimly for sure not you
99% of th fillipina arecomplete liar and only will use you for money for themselves and their family they have absolutely no conscience nor loyality stay away from them for suew
Here is my experience with a filipina girl. The story seems unbelievable but it is true. I am the ex wife. I gave 16 years of my life to this guy---gave up my RN job to take care of the house and kids (homeschooled them). We both worked---me at home and he as a UPS driver---means his soc. security was building but mine was frozen. That was okay with me because we were in this marriage together right?---so I thought!!!! I saved him a ton of money by insisting we pay off the house in only a few years and then I got him to agree to saving 25% of our income to his 401K. To do this, we willingly sacrificed by wearing second hand clothes, not eating out a lot, living in smaller house, and driving older cars. We were not rich but we were set to live very comfortably in retirement. We had progressive communication problems and had years of counseling. He had some baggage that he wouldn't deal with---passive aggressive personality and conflict avoidant personality to be specific (google these as they are difficult personalities to live with---sorry I found out about them too late). He acted more and more childish and irresponsible and dumping on me to do it all--the house, the kids, pay the bills, do house repairs, maintain the car---I did everything but earn the pay check. My baggage was anger for being dumped on. He moved out and didn't speak to me or his kids for 2 years until the divorce papers came. He withheld finances that the divorce settlement had ordered him to pay and it cost me $15,000 more in attorney fees to try to recover it. Contrary to the divorce decree, he did not put me as the survivor spouse on his pension and since it was discovered too late to change it, we were preparing for a court settlement for him to give me something comparable to my potential $200,000-$300,000 loss---like his 401K or UPS stock, etc.
While the court issues were going on, he befriended a 33 year old Flipp chic (Maria Lyn Lao) on Facebook. He met her 30 days later in the Philippines, and she posted on Facebook that they got engaged a day or two after he arrived. He posted on FB, "just one look in the airport and I knew you were the one!" Over the next 7 months, he liquidated ALL his UPS stock ($30,000) and his 401K ($50,000--even had to pay 10% early withdrawal penalty). Of course my attorney and I did not know that he was sending Maria Lyn huge chunks of money every few days---$500 today, $700 in 3 days, $400 in 2 days, etc. until it was all gone! And the Flipp chic posted many photos of their new "mansion", as her friends called it, as it was being built. Too bad for me who was trying to recover the pension asset that he illegally withheld from me. Anybody smell a rat yet?? They met 2 years ago and I could not figure out why it was taking her so long to get a fiance visa to the US--usually takes 6 months to a year. Surprisingly, she was married! The ex tells his kids that she got married young at age 19, minimizing it like the marriage was just a little fling or something. Now she can't get a visa until a very expensive annulment is done so ex is paying for this too---how kind of him and how lucky for her! She was married from age 19 to age 33 and didn't get annulment because she couldn't afford it most likely--yet she was cruising the internet looking for men!!! And she has posted on FB that she was engaged to ex for 2 years WHILE she was married to someone else!!!!! Is that deceitful or what?? Yes, he is still madly in love with his "Mahal" and posts all the SAME lines he told me: "you are the most beautiful woman I have ever met", "you are THE love of my life", yadda, yadda.
My 3 sons really have little to no contact with their dad because they have little respect for him. I have no explanation to tell my 18 year old son why his dad is supporting this Flipp chic but is not asking how he can help his son with college expenses---so my son is very worried and trying to do it on his own----this is just plain WRONG!!!
Did I mention yet that the chic is 33 and the ex is 58?? Lucky ex as his alimony and child support ends next month. Then he will have a $2500/mo. pension and $1800/mo. soc security soon (plus his meager Walmart job income). I will have $700 of his pension and $900 in soc. security since I worked in the home (no pay check there!) during the marriage. How inequitable is that?? Now I am struggling with the fact that I laid down my life and made many sacrifices for this guy and our children, only for him to act like Judas and walk away, giving the future inheritance we saved to a Flipp chic. I am older and faced with having to go back to work while he retires with his playmate.
I think some American guys make a mess of their marriage(s) to a US gal and won't be men of integrity to fix their part of the problems. So then they leave their past baggage behind by going to Philippines to find a storybook marriage---but it sounds like it doesn't always turn out well after the honeymoon. Do the Filippina women have any concern for the women and children that these guys left behind and for their obligations to them? It seems to me that the wives and kids left behind are being exploited by the Flipp chics, too---they are so quick to connect with a guy without even knowing his past or any of his baggage.
The end of the story for my ex isn't written yet. Curious to know the "rest of the story".
I am writing my personal experience to say that many people have been hurt and are still being hurt by the selfishness of ex and his Flipp chic. To say you are Christian and then live in adultery has very serious consequences for eternity. Fear God and do right. This was very troubling to me that I should do the sacrificing to save so much for my husband, yet she would be getting the rewards. Crying out to God over the injustice of her seemingly Cinderella story, He told me her story was more like Snow White. The apple is very shiny and beautiful, but it is sometimes filled with poison. Just one bite of what looks tempting and wonderful can bring you death!!! Fear God and do right by Him and by others.
FILLIPINAS ARE THE ABSOLUTE PERSONIFICATION OF EVIL NEVER EVER TRUST THEM NOR MARRY ONE OF THESE SNAKES HUMP AND DUMP
@Nancy – I am so very sorry for what happened to you. While I have never been a direct victim, I completely empathize with you as a woman. I am also very concerned for our future generation if this outflow of bad-egg filipinas continue to harm foreign societies this way. There is a mind-boggling number of them in PH operating like this as a profit-making business. This is not about being poor and needing some help to put food on the table. This is about building mansions with money scraped from someone else‘s life savings by blatant trickery.
These filipina home and marriage wreckers are the most unscrupulous people on earth. They are much worse and more dangerous than the Russian mob or Chinese triad. At least the mob and triad make it clear who they are. We don’t mess with them, they don’t mess with us. These filipina whores are wolves in sheep’s clothing who can smile and cry at will, creep their way into a foreigner‘s life just to sink their fangs into his wallet. They don’t care if the man is still married or have young children. That’s what one of them did to my family member. She came home from work one day and found the filipina maid in her marriage bed with her husband. Her younger child was less than 2 years old at that time and her whole world came crashing down on her. She was in her 20s then. She never recovered from it, nor did she ever remarry. That was more than 20 years ago. From then till now, many wives have been hurt, many families destroyed, many innocent children grew up without their fathers, all thanks to the unconscionable deeds of these filipinas. From your recent experience and what we have seen on this board and others, they are showing no signs of stopping. After scamming and using the foreign men, wrecking their families and hurting their wives and children, they turn around and tell the men they have themselves to blame, mock us like we are all idiots. We are trying to warn as many men as possible so less will fall prey. For our efforts, we have been called bigots and racists, ironically by foreigners who support such deeds.
These filipinas are not real Christians or Catholics but liars and hypocrites who have no fear of God. The following verse is in the Catholic bible: I Cor. VI, 9-10: "Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor liars with mankind, shall possess the kingdom of God." Why don‘t they pay any attention to it? Someone posted on another board that 80% of Catholic church attendees in PH are female. Who knows if these same females are posting their enticing profiles on filipina dating sites and FB to nab foreign men after attending mass.
While the Catholic church is blamed for the overpopulation issue in PH, it also clearly teaches abstinence and natural birth control for the poor who can’t afford to provide for too many children. Why don’t they listen to that if they are the true and devout Catholics they claim to be? Instead, the poorest 5th of the population have the highest birth rate. Why is that? Are they breeding these children on an agenda and for a purpose? We did read a post further up by a good filipina that these women breed children to provide for them. Many have brainwashed their daughters to grab an old and decrepit man for his money. While the foreign men think they have met the perfect loving filipina wife, they are in truth being snarled by a gold-digging machine birthed and bred for that purpose only. How sad and scary is this! This is why more and more of us are posting here to warn others. We need to protect our family, children and society.
I thank you for your post and sharing. Your story may help someone see the light before it is too late. God help us all.
a lot of interesting thought here, but what if she knows you are poor, and she knows she's going to have to work,
I would suggest that just as many American, European and Australian Women are as cunning and self interest intentioned,
so what if some Phillippino Women are trying to find a better life, maybe there's a point to say that maybe those of you who used your money to impress, maybe didn't try to impress on them whats in your heart, what, did you expect them to be your maids because you paid for for everything.
I am about to embark upon this adventure, and that's what it is, if i make a mistake, i am not going to run off and moan that i got done, i chose to do it, and i'll wear the good or bad,
if anyone who contemplates meeting a Phillippino or any other Asian woman on the net can't get their head around taking a chance, then don't do it.
I feel sorry for some of the Women to be honest most of those i have met online and in person, tend to say most of the men they meet for marriage are pigs with money and very little respect, Um......, guys, maybe you should get your hands out of your long pockets and put them on your heart for a while
is giving someone a chance to make a better life, not an admiral thing, you help her, you help her family, and if she doesn't appreciate it in the end, get out, and enjoy the fact that you have done something good, but don't blame her, its probably your fault just as much as hers
@Nancy:
Your story is a sad one, but thank you for sharing.
I agree with everything that objectivelyspeaking has said because it all accords with my 6 years of experience as a former migration lawyer, during which time I literally dealt with hundreds of filipinas and their Western male sponsors directly.
These filipinas are the most devious and unethical women I have ever come across. They approach life and deal with other people as a leech would: sucking up all nutrients until someone is dry. They see nothing wrong at all with marrying a much wealthier Western man. They then scheme to dispossess these men of as much assets as possible. They see nothing wrong with doing everything they can to disinherit these men's children from a previous marriage. They f*ck, scheme and manipulate their way through life to the extent that it is narcisstic and psychopathic. I have never come across a group of people who make my skin crawl so much.
I have come across stories whereby these filipinas fabricate false charges of domestic violence and child sexual abuse against these men in order to procure an advantage when it comes to a property settlement following divorce.
Like objectivelyspeaking has said in her latest post, these filipinas are wolves in sheep's clothing. All and who that they are is one big SCAM. They go through life as (at least) cultural prostitutes and are expert in manipulating other people's vulnerabilities. They wreak havoc in their wake and then just shrug off their destruction with the rationale that they had to do it to survive and help their family. If that is not a diseased mentality, then I don't know what is.
Despite the Philipines being a "Catholic" country and its people are "religious", these women whore themselves as easily as shaking someone's hand.
They are better at marketing themselves than street prostitutes. Street prostitutes stand on the street and let you go to find them, because you know where they are.
Filipina cultural prostitutes are obsessed with a self-marketing campaign that is literally in your face, consisting of numerous internet mediums such as facebook and dating sites to hook in foreign men.
To procure migration and economic benefit, they will literally whore themselves with anything on 2 legs (testicles are optional). Yet when they get what they want, they act superior as though they are better than other people. That attitude comes from a group of women whose sole talent is to lie down and spread their legs open for any Tom, D!ck (pun intended)and Harry.
@maybe-maybenot:
How can you compare Western women to filipinas in that context? Western women have more choices and financial freedom. They work and tend to have good income. Why would Western women generally become involved with men whom they can't tolerate?
I wish you the best of luck in your new 'adventure' because you will need plenty of it. From your attitude, it sounds like you are acting as though this is going to be like dipping your toe into an ocean.
It is easy for you to sound nonchalant at the moment. I wonder when you have lost money and have your life destroyed, you can still sound as optimistic.
Good luck.
Hi to TanfromAustralia,
there is nowhere in my previous post that says anything about western women getting involved with men whom they can't tolerate, but open your eyes and take a good look around, some do, some just get there later, women tolerate a lot of things,
Sorry i don't blame Philippino women for wanting to make a better life, yes some western men get rolled and i feel sorry for those who were well intentioned, but hey theres a damn lot of Philippino women who go into it with good intention and end up in some very nasty situations, with some very nasty western men who think their money purchased the poor girl.
i got gutted by a Czech woman, i didn't meet her online, should i blame her for her circumstance, did it make my life unbearable, it could have if i let it, yes it hurt, yes for a while i did exactly what you are doing, but its done, theres nothing you can do about it, find a good aspect of it, get up and get on with it, if not it won't get better
Life IS adventure, and if you don't take the chance, it's gone, what if she had been a wonderful loving woman, you'd be on top of the world now, if you don't let this go, then this is what will destroy you,
As for me losing all my money, about all i will lose is a couple of thousand dollars, and what we make together, if she is playing me, then off she goes back home, my ideals are not blinding me, she knows i don't have money, or property, and whats the worst that can happen, she comes here, we have 2 or 3 years of pretending, then she leaves with residency, i am sure i would have got something too in that time.
maybe i sound cold, i'm not cold, i just try and make my life out of wants "choice" over need, i can feel love, but i can easily walk out of it, and its hurts, like you have experienced that have made me understand, leave your need aside, leave your ideal of who you want aside, she obviously said she loved you online, and you believed it, what does that tell you, she appealed to your ideals and need,
hey mate, you're still alive, and that's all that matters, not what someone has done to you, go and do some meditation or something learn to let go and not make things so precious, life is to short for that
I had approximately 2 hours of free time tonight because although it is the weekend, I injured my toe and I am stuck at home tonight.
I got on the internet and performed a little experiment. I went to the google website and typed in the words "filipino women". Just those 2 words in order to be neutral. I did NOT type in any other words in my search terms.
Despite typing in only "filipino women", the search yielded countless results which included accompanying terms such as:
1. Slut;
2. Whore:
3. Cheap;
4. Dating older men;
5. Migration;
6. Scam; and
7. Mail order bride.
These terms were associated with the words "filipino women".
If the things that we have said about filipinas in this thread is grossly inaccurate, then why are these internet topics existing with such overwhelming volumes?
Are the filipino people unfairly treated or is it a fact that they have made quite an impression on the world? The internet as a medium is largely unregulated.
The google search tends to put things in a much wider perspective than the small context of this thread and the opinions of "bigots" and "racists" like objectivelyspeaking and myself.
By the way, I never could figure out how an Asian person like myself could be "racist" towards another group of Asian people.
@maybe-maybenot:
They say that "freedom" is just another word for "nothing left to lose".
But in your case, "little to lose".
But I digress...
...if you are trying to garner sympathy for filipinas by suggesting that they get are victims by getting into "very nasty situations" with foreign men, then you have hit the wrong note.
The filipina's desire to migrate is so strong that she would deliberately place herself into a situation with foreign men of unsavoury character. I understand that sheer desperation might be driving her to do it, but don't forget that she has a choice. The Western men present themselves to the filipinas as they are with the "take it or leave it attitude". At least the man is being genuine and upfront.
Conversely, Western men also have the choice to get involved with filipinas, but the difference is that these women misrepresent themselves and their intentions to these men so that these men end up marrying a woman who is not genuine.
These 2 perspectives and approaches are very different.
The filipina makes the choice, or risk, to get involved with the man knowing full well what she is getting into because she is desperate.
The man is the one who is scammed.
I also went to google and performed a search for the terms "Arabic women". Amazingly, NO accompanying terms came up that had anything to do with sex or prostitution.
Perhaps it is a cultural tradition in Middle Eastern countries.
I believe that many filipino women are scammers, but I also believe that many of the guys are not very wise about entering relationships with these women. They are both looking at the outside package, but the inside (character) is usually revealed after the honeymoon. They say "I do"' and then like the Olympics, they say "let the games begin". I think some of the younger men are more genuine to connect with a filippino, but the older men are often low lifes who can start a marriage but don't have the character to maintain it for a lifetime. They have usually had failed marriages and have defaulted on their responsibilities so they go where they can get an easy wife. They know these young Flipp chics will marry them in a heartbeat without really knowing the kind of guy he is on the inside, and the guy can pretty much pick the one he wants. At least in the US, most women would scrutinize the guy's character much more so it is harder for them to fool American women. So I think they both have to take blame for their own character issues in the relationship. It takes two. It is very unwise to trust someone that you don't know. It takes time to reveal the true character of a person. Rushing into a quick relationship will not allow you to see through daily interactions how that person handles issues and faces life's circumstances. I also think the guys who fall for these chics are rather codependent----you give me nurturing love and I will give you my money---totally unhealthy.
As far as the filippinos being Catholic, I think they are more religious and go to church because it makes them feel good (like going to get stuff from God), but they don't believe they must obey everything in the Bible if their minds don't agree with it. They are not genuine true Christians with this ill character.
@Objectivelyspeaking:
Makes me very sad that your 20+ year old friend never remarried 20 years after being burned by filippino going after her husband.
@TanfromAustralia:
So would you say if you are in relationship with a filippino but find out hidden information as time goes on, would you say that is a red flag and you should run/ (example: my ex found out after being engaged to her that she was currently married but had not lived with guy for years--thus needs annullment). He was very kind, understanding, and STUPID to trust her after that, I think.
I understand that divorce is not allowed in Philippines. You can only get an annulment, but it is very difficult and expensive. That causes many men and women to just move on to another partner not bothering to get annulment. So I suppose the kids get dragged into one serial marriages after another. I read on one site that the reason a filippino woman was going to go through with the expense of annullment from her former partner was BECAUSE she wanted to get her daughter baptized in the church. She had left her former partner years ago and was living with the new one for some time but she had never made everything legal. Not sure if daughter was from 1st or 2nd relationship, but the woman must have done the annullment to satisfy the church so she could then get the daughter baptized.
What confusion and craziness in these relationships.
I am strong Bible believer. It says if you dig a pit for someone else, you will surely fall in your own pit. I believe men who were dirty to their families in the states will end up destroying themselves, often through wrong relationships in their future. Maybe that is why the men who get burned often times (not always!!!) deserve what they get. I don't like vulgarity, but I had to chuckle when someone else wrote on their post: those guys have to think with their big head and not their little one.
I understand where you are coming from Tan, to a point,
First i am not try to garner sympathy for anyone, just an even perspective, and i am not intending any disrespect towards anyone who has suffered because of these types of women from anywhere
From the beginning of time the first principle is survival, good or bad, it doesn't matter
yes the Philippino woman may have this great desire and deliberately place themselves at risk to get out but men have a great desire also,
they too deliberately put themselves at risk, all the signs are out there saying be careful on the net, and we go blazing in, once you add your photo its been copied onto 10 dating sites before you can count 10, your words in chats are now used in other chat rooms, you've accepted a photo from someone on your email and guess what, now they have access to your emails, is this not deliberately putting yourself at risk ?.
The weak or vulnerable are the targets, you may not think you are, but really they have the cards stacked against you, they already know what you are looking for, hey its often the first question you are asked in a chat.
Not all western men present themselves as they really are, sorry, there are many western men who present themselves as kind and loving, with lots of gifts with the intention of owning someone, be careful here because in a lot of instances it is western men who run some of the brothels and darker aspects of Asia and elsewhere and it is into these darker places a lot of these women disappear.
you are likely a very good man, did your best to find what you were looking for, but not all are like you. Sinister has no sex or color and the internet is not about freedom or bringing people closer, it is potentially the greatest evil of our time,
I read the last article you added about Arabic Women, that's a little bias, they would be arrested for such things, as for the internet name calling, have a look for the good stuff too, its there, a lot of it.
Tan, go down the pub with a friend get drunk and tell him/her about it and force yourself to laugh and cry about it, it's done, start fixing yourself and stop focusing on whats happened
you need to do some positive adjustments in your thinking, i can see you are hurting bud, but life gets better, but it takes a bit of time
it won't help now, but hey you tried to do a wonderful thing for someone, give someone a life, ok she didn't appreciate it and gutted you, but you tried, you also had the courage to try something many Aussie men would scoff at in their brutish way, you did something with kindness as your intent, something that the world desperately needs more of
it's not how this could happen to you, it's that it did, so now move on
I'm not sure how little to lose was intended so i'll just add this, i've had money, now i have what i love, when i had money i was only happy spending it, now i am just happy, it took a lot of suffering to find that
Forgot to add that after the ex sent ALL his 401K and UPS stock to the filippino---anywhere from $40,000 to $70,000,---- she built a "mansion" in Mindinao where she lives. But alas, she wants to live in the US so he is willing to do whatever for the love of his life---helping her get anullment and then fiance visa. He is just fine with bringing her to the US, but he can't explain to any of us why they built a very nice house there but will be living here in the US. He only says, "because she wants to come to the US." What is his brain THINKING?? I believe he is being scammed big time.
And before she made her facebook private, she was spending a lot of time befriending people---tons were guys from Sweden, Iraq, Pakistan, India, etc. He insisted that she NOT work so she has the time to chat around I guess.
I find it helpful to tell others my story as a way of healing in a sense, that others can see the stupidity of ex's life and behaviors. Like TanfromAustralia, I want others to beware that it is easy to be scammed and not recognize it.
The bottom line of my post: Men beware!!! What looks so good and tempting may be poison to your life!!!! Be wise.
@Jesse V
When you said the fillipina didn't take an interest in you and your family, your heritage:
That can go the other way too. My ex's mom was on her death bed and his filippina GF was crying on the phone to him, saying she loved his mother so much----uuuuuhhhhh. They talked once for maybe 5 minutes on skype. How can you love someone SOOO much that you have never met??? I think it was emotional acting to impress and play the part of such a great lover and future spouse. More scamming.
@Nancy – The devastation of my family member illustrates the permanence and irreversible damage suffered by some people at the hands of these filipinas. In her case, it was emotional because she has only loved one man her whole life – her ex-husband. For the many men who have been scammed, it was both emotional and financial. In your case, the financial loss extended to you and your sons being the inadvertent victims all out of the blue. I think your ex’s filipina drained him of his assets at such break-neck speed to beat you to the punch knowing he was going through a divorce, and upon settlement, half of his assets would go to you. These filipinas are very scheming and devious, just that too many men have grossly underestimated their viciousness. This thread has evolved into a useful resource where men come to seek advice on their filipina, share their stories, post their opinions, and yes for women to seek healing too. You are most welcome to post here, exchange views and engage us in dialogue. What we need to see here are more victim impact statements. Not that we want there to be more victims, but just to balance up the picture so the men can see the bigger realm of their actions and carelessness.
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Filipinas like the one in @Nancy’s story have no heart and scruples; don’t even talk about principles and values here. Yet men see nothing wrong in bringing them into our societies?
From the many stories posted here and on other boards, the men are mostly kind-hearted thinking they are helping someone out of poverty. @maybe-maybenot is the most current example. But what and who are they really helping? I would like to bring one very important point to their attention – while the enjoyment of what they think they have (the filipina bride) is exclusive to them, the risk they are taking is not. The admitted danger in choosing to engage such a widely publicized high-risk group of women, bringing a filipina who markets herself to foreign men into our society affects the rest of us who are not remotely involved in the decision-making process or whatever “enjoyment” or “gratification” these men get out of it! In thinking it is a risk OK for them to take because they have nothing much to lose is an extremely selfish and careless one given that there are the rest of us here who have made immense sacrifices raising and educating our children to make our society a good one. The young people who serve up that nice cuppa java at Starbucks or brings a hot pizza to the door on a cold winter day are dragged down the risky path of being scammed some day in the future by these filipinas and their offsprings. Who is going to be accountable for that? I can already hear some people accusing me of some far-fetch thinking. If we think beyond today and ourselves but look a little further at the grand scheme of things, it is not difficult to understand the point I am trying to get across. Please listen to the good filipinas who have spoken here. They have said that those filipinas who chase foreign men are considered the garbage of their society. Their words not mine. Who knows them better than their own. Why are you men bringing other people’s garbage into our society?
Is there a happy medium? Yes there is. I highly recommend that men who choose to get involved with a filipina go love her and marry her in PH, stay there with her. Don’t bring her into our society, take us down the risky path with you. WE DO NOT WANT IT. Fair enough? I also highly recommend that women in the process of a divorce or currently separated, have a lawyer freeze the ex’s assets pending the divorce finalization. Men in those situations mostly think with their testosterone and you know what else. Those scamming filipinas are prowling for them even as we speak.
Grade school children are now considering the fate of polar bears as their parents rave about the less severe winters. Can we honestly take the good things in our society for granted, yet not give further thought on how our personal decisions and actions will impact those around us?
@objectivelyspeaking:
So true that we must think of how our actions affect others. Wish your relative would be healed of her pain and move on to find someone to love and be loved by. I believe she is probably a very lovely woman who could find a very decent man to bring her happiness again. What is her ex husband doing---did he marry the filipina?
As for me, I am trusting God for an upgrade---someone way better than what I lost. IN the end, I am very glad that my husband left us because he was becoming more and more selfish, but I just kept trying to make the best of the relationship. I tried to work on my issues, hoping he would work on his to make things better but it never happened. So I am better that he left. I don't have to deal with his games as much anymore. Maybe it is the same for your relative---she is better off away from her unfaithful husband, even though the break was painful. God often takes a bad situation and turns it around for our good, and I believe He gave me freedom from a selfish man though the break was painful.
As for my situation, all of our assets were equally divided through the divorce---it was all final. When he retired 2 years later, he just didn't sign that I was survivor spouse as the divorce said he was to do, and we didn't know until it was too late to change it. He appears to be a very kind gentle soul---professes to be a born again Christian. You would never know he would be the kind to walk out on his wife and kids. He has many acquaintances and is generally liked but only because people don't really know his past and his baggage. He is rather superficial person. I think he is very empty and has very little self esteem because of his bad behaviors. My pastor has said that insecure men will look for mothers to marry---ones that nurture them like the filipinas do---but they arent healthy marriages. Many people hide what their true character is, as he did. When my attorney was forcing my ex to give me what the divorce decree said he was to give, I think he saw an easy out---the Filippina chic. If he could find a "nice" girl to marry and send her the money (and marry her) then he wouldn't have to give me any money. He started befriending women on Facebook and that is how they met. Very deceitful of him--and he was in contempt of court to not follow the decree. Well, maybe they are made for one another since they both are deceiving one another about who they really are. For a long time I have felt very sad that he can be so evil to use me and our kids, then throw us out of his life, and then take his money and go on to "live happily ever after" with this chic. It is very painful for me to deal with this. But after reading all the comments, I am re-thinking that it is just a matter of time before she burns him. It is true that we do reap what we sow, and he didn't sow well. I still want to believe in my heart that there are very good Filippina women---and I do believe not all are scammers.
But guys who find scammers often aren't thinking clearly exercising discernment and wisdom. They just jump right into a relationship and won't listen to the advice of friends and family, only to learn later that the advice could have saved them the heartache. I think the ex's filipina was rather shocked that he chose her from all the others on FB. I think the women friends can make it a game to connect on facebook with guys from all over the world, hoping they will get rich literally by friending the right guy. I think the gals encourage this in each other, like it is a game. It was probably more mail order bride connections in the past, but now the dating/match sites are very abundant. Often I have seen the women say they want someone to skype them NOW and then they give their phone # publically on facebook. Also I have looked at many of their photos---they are always taking tons of photos of themselves and they are mostly all in provocative sensual poses. What's with that if it isn't to lure men to them. I don't do that and I don't need to do that to get a good guy. I don't need to use my body appearance to get a guy. I have brains and other good character inside that I want a guy to value above what my body looks like. Just sayin'.
@objectivelyspeaking:
That is really good advice.
My best friend's own situation with his filipina whore has caused my mind to go overdrive to pre-empt and prevent her from taking all of his assets legally.
He will insist that she sign the prenuptial agreement as a condition to the marriage and some of his assets have now been liquated and converted into cash in a bank account held in his mother's name and control.
Now that I have had my influence, the most that the whore is going to get is her Australian citizenship...and nothing more. It is still more than she deserves for being the prostitute that she is.
The bitch is going to be in for a big surprise when she gets here. I've got a very special "wedding present" for her: a prenuptial agreement.
You have to know how to beat these filipinas at their own game and stay two steps ahead of them. It is the only way to win against them and come out on top.
I just regret that I can't protect my best friend emotionally.
@Nancy – I am glad you did get your fair half of the assets. I have little doubt that your ex will be burned in the end, and I know there are others here who see the same. What is most troubling are the many stories posted here and on other boards about the filipinas using the older men as stepping stones to get into foreign societies. Once in, they dump the old guy and swiftly go around seducing younger men who may be married or in a relationship, wrecking more lives, hurting more people. Sometimes they don’t dump the old guy immediately if he continues serving the role of an ATM, but just go sleeping around with younger guys or older but richer guys for the next scam. Your ex will get his just desserts, it is quite obvious. Unfortunately, it is still a contamination of our good society should he bring her in with a fiance visa.
There are a lot of stories of filipina OFWs getting pregnant in the Mid-East, then accuse their male employers of rape. Upon further investigation, 10 out of 10 cases were false accusations. These filipinas were impregnated by their boyfriends, mostly filipinos, who for all we know, have wife and kids back in PH. They have a very messed up society, and we don‘t want them to bring any of it here. The PH foreign office have issued warning after warning to their OFWs to obey the laws of the host countries, and stop causing their home country this type of embarrassment. They just plain ignore and continue with their lawless, disrespectful behaviour. The Gulf nationals have posted here too, voicing their concerns and displeasure.
As for my family member, both she and her ex are highly qualified professionals in one of the highest-paying fields. She is an extremely beautiful woman, well-bred, fair-skinned, poised and even plays a musical instrument. Some in the family (not me) have said she made a very poor choice of a husband to wind up that way. So you can imagine the insult upon injury she suffered. Last time we spoke, which was quite recent, I could tell that she still loves the ex after all this time. That’s the reason she never moved on. No the filipina maid did not stay with him of course. She nailed him for ongoing financial support for the next 21 years for the child she claimed to have born for him. Of course she lured him into bed with her version of ‘love’. It was altogether an extremely ugly picture for everybody. My family was extremely devastated by this whole deplorable event. And yes my family member is Christian too, to this day a very faithful one. She never blamed God, and never allowed her faith to weaken. The church provided outstanding support and counselling to get her through the initial dark years. She accepted it as something the Lord allowed to happen in her life, focused on her career and raising her two children, who are both grown now, beautiful and intelligent like their mother.
And so will you get past this Nancy, leave the past behind, move forward to the new future awaiting you. Somewhere out there, there is a good man who will appreciate your beauty inside and out. I am Christian also, active in church, doing my part for international mission work. I have family members who have been in mission fields in India and Africa. We know what poverty means. We have seen how truly poor people endure poverty with dignity. Those crying-poor filipina scammers are nothing more than shameful excuses for human beings. The saddest thing is seeing how good, caring, honest men fall for their lies and deception all the time.
There are also people from my home country in PH helping resettle the squatters who are truly homeless, whose children climb on dump trucks every day scrounging for wood and metal scraps to resell for a single meal of rice, at times injuring themselves. These are the people who truly need help. Humanitarian workers go in to help them for nothing in return, least of all trade their charity for a wife or gf. That is the true meaning of helping someone. The filipina scammers are not poor. The truly poor do not have access to computers and cell phones to communicate with the foreign men they are scamming. This is why I asked in my previous post “...what and who are they really helping?“
To Nancy,
You have a good level perspective and you are right, this is a good place to come to get some perspective, as long as that is what you are looking for,
also a good way to vent, when things go wrong, "in the early stages of a hurt"
I just find it difficult to blame an entire race for something,
there are some lovely and very happy Marriages between Philippino Women and Western men, i know some personally, and there commitment to each other is something i don't often see in ordinary western relationships.
Perhaps those Philippino whom i know, had that mindset of deliberately willing to take a great risk, perhaps they lied to some extent, as they went through the process of finding the best man available, There are so many variances, and degrees of right and wrong.
Men offer themselves up when they sign up to a dating site, they take a great risk also, and if they don't know the dangers then they should steer well clear.
But thanks Nancy, i like your reasoning
@objectivelyspeaking:
I thought someone said some of those street children are orphaned. Is that correct? Is it because they were abandoned or because their parents are both dead? Very sad indeed.
Telling about your relative's difficult marriage, she must have felt horrible shame for no fault of her own and then to be again blamed by some in the family for not having a good man picker---very painful. Did her ex really pay support for that filippina's child or how did he get out of that? Paternity test?
@maybe-maybenot:
I believe you are right to say there are good filipinas. I am trying not to let what one woman did against my family influence my opinions of all people from the Philippines. Our church has connections with a very Godly Filippino couple and their church there. They are some of the best--they don't just talk it, but they walk it, too.
Tell me about the couples you have seen that have successful marriages---- were they all of similar age and mostly younger? In their first marriage or where they serial adulterers? Were there any couples with a huge age gap (like 25 years) that had success in marriage? Just curious to know your knowledge on that. Thanks.
@TanfromAustralia - Sadly enough, modern society has become a bit of a mine field for the honest and hardworking. Things like the pre-nup seem fast becoming a must-have in a marriage. I have a very wise woman friend who insisted on a co-habitation agreement protecting her assets before allowing her bf to move into her house.
I hope what you have demonstrated for your best friend will help caution others in similar situations. Protect their assets before getting involved with anyone.
Again and again we hear comments about “generalizing a whole nation“. What is the difference between warning people against filipina scammers (and Nigerian scammers for that matter) based on the copious reports all over the internet, and warning people of mine fields in Angola because many people including children have had their limbs blown off playing ball in completely innocent-looking field that looks like any other? The mines can be anywhere in Angola. We just don‘t know exactly where until we step on one. Which is the more helpful warning to people: “There are mine fields everywhere in Angola“ or “there are some mine fields in Angola but we do not generalize in saying that they can be anywhere, you will have to step on one to find out where they are“?
BTW, I also wonder if as many people are so assertively defending Nigerian scammers as they are filipinas?? From what I have observed so far, not at all. Now why is that??? Anyone cares to comment on this one?
@Nancy - I would suppose my family member’s ex went for the paternity test, as he is a lawyer after all. He did pay the support money for the length of time required, as far as I know. I could not bring myself to dig into all the details because I was myself very broken as this particular family member is very close to me. We grew up playing Barbie dolls together. I also had a filipina maid in my employ at the same time. There was a 50/50 chance this could have happened to me. My blood froze every time I thought about it. It was a bone-chilling and nauseating experience for us all when it happened.
As for the street kids, many are cared for by their grandmothers and subsequently ran away, as most are the products of filipinas’ failed attempts at nailing foreign men with a surprise pregnancy. If you remember, there are a number of men who have said here “hump and dump“. Imagine how damaging this is for a society as a whole. They are told they are orphaned. I personally met a young filipina here who told me everybody died on her, including her grandma. She was later trafficked in her teens around Asia until she married a man 30 years older than her. I also have a young filipino boy working for me, whose father he has never met. He lives in a foster home here, but very talented and extremely good at his work. A very handsome young man who is left growing up without the nurturing of a proper family where both parents are there for him as it should be. Who created all these needless human sufferings, one has to ask.
When "UltraMagnus" first posted this hub over 2 years ago, I seriously doubt he had any idea this subject would progress as far as it has. Over a long period of time this subject has taken on a life of it's own because so many have an interest or involvement in simular situations, both positive and negative. Some come here seeking information, others are here to voice an opinion, whatever the reason, this subject generates great interest and passion across a broad spectrum. The same can be said about those who are interested in a relationship with a Filipina, I myself am engaged to a very fine Filipina and came here seeking information related to Fi-American marriages. A very large number of men such as myself from all over the world are also interested in Filipina's for a multitude of reasons, but primarily because they find the particular qualities and beauty of Filipina's so attractive.
In many, many ways, a Filipina does indeed make a "perfect wife" simply because of who she is as a Filipina. Tradition and upbringing play a large roll in that but, there is no denying that Filipina's are world reknown for their unique qualities as women. At this point I must remind the readers here that any reputation whether it be positive or negative, always has a foundation based in truth. There is always a true reason and cause for any given reputation. In this case, we are discussing both the positive and negative related to Filipina's and I believe far too much emphasis has been placed on the negative. When you take into consideration the population of over 8 million people in the Philippines and correlate it to the relatively very small number of "scammers" at the heart of this discussion, I think you'll find that the percentage is no greater in the Philippines than can be found anywhere else in the world. Much has been said here about the "bad" reputation of Filipina's which is undoubtedly also justified to a certain extent, but when you are talking about the "undesirables" and scammers of the world, it is simply stupid and absurd to imply or assert that this is a uniquely Filipina problem or furthermore, that it is any more pervasive in the Philippines than anywhere else in the world. If anything, I think more attention has been focused on Filipina's simply because the Philippines is somewhat more technologically advanced than many other less developed countries and therefore are more "visible" via the internet. Add to that the fact that a very small segment of the population in the Philippines has chosen to abuse that technology (the internet) and you can begin to understand why the "problem" seems to be more magnified in the Philippines. (This very forum is a good example) Another contributing factor may be that the Philippines is a very Westernized country and therefore is a much easier location for a disproportional number of English speaking men to approach. In addition, there is a longstanding history of legal migration from the Philippines to the United States and other 1st world countries worldwide which means a larger number of people are aware of what may be available in the Philippines relationship wise. One must ask themself, why indeed are so many seeking relationships with Filipina's if the emphasis of this discussion is as pervasive as is claimed in this forum?
But make no mistake about it, this exact same type of scam and exploitation can be found literally anywhere on the planet. Every country, every population, has it's own unsavory segment of the population which preys upon the vulnerable and exploits unsuspecting victims. And the internet has become the chosen method of operation for scammers of all types worldwide. Equally so, millions of people worldwide now utilize the internet daily for all sorts of reasons. From purchasing goods to seeking relationships, the internet is a very common means of communication. Is it any surprise that the scammers worldwide have chosen to exploit that fact? Whatever the "product" may be, Viagra, medicines, lottery tickets, poor starving kids in Nigeria etc..etc.. the typical scammer always targets those whom are most likely to respond......The Stupid! Personally, I have zero pity for anyone who would willingly divulge their bank account info to an anonymous email or believe they can click a mouse and obtain something as important and critical as a marriage. And need I remind anyone, there is no shortage of stupidity in this world. To quote P.T. Barnum; "there's a sucker born every minute". There will forever be a scammer ready to victimize every sucker out there, get used to it.
Now, I shall address a few things specifically. First, I notice two primary types of commenter's here; Those who have an axe to grind, and those who are rightfully trying to defend the obvious one-sided and unfounded slander against an entire Nation of females. People like "objectivelyspeaking" (even her name is a ridiculous falsity considering she always comments SUBjectively) who claims to be so involved in this discussion simply because "a friend" has been allegedly wronged in the past by some anonymous Filipina. Her type of vitriol and hatred is sadly as common as it is sickening. I very seriously doubt that she came here and monopolized the thread simply because of a single case of alleged wrongdoing. More likely she came here because she fully intended to slander and blame as many as she could because she herself feels "victimized" by a Filipina. I notice she mentions having children but never once mentions a husband. Is it possible he dumped her obviously malicious, vindictive and hateful ass in favor of a much more desirable Filipina? Hmmm...I wonder. One must ask themself, "would I bother to go to all the effort of accusing and blaming an entire Nation of females in a public forum day after day simply because some "friend" had a single "bad" experience"? Would you? I think not. From her very lengthy and venomous comments I'd say she does in fact "have an axe to grind". Go figure.
Or take for example "tanfromaustralia" who came here claiming exactly like "objectivelyspeaking" did to have a "friend" whom has somehow been "victimized" by yet another anonymous Filipina. Again, I very seriously doubt his true intentions and furthermore I somehow sense a rather "un-natural" attraction to his alleged "friend". A good friend is a treasure indeed for anyone but, a true friend would never intrude into the most personal aspect of anothers life, especially not in a public forum like this. Is it possible that he too "has an axe to grind"? Hmm....I wonder.
Then you have the 3rd type of commenter, the typical pathetic "sad-sack", "woe always me" type that comes here to whine and complain about how badly he's been wronged by a Filipina. Guys like that (I refuse to address them as Men) fall into the afore mentioned category of "stupid". They go online and/or to the well known and obvious lowest places on earth (ie..whorehouses and bar districts) (in a 3rd world country no less) in search of a WIFE??? Give me a break!!! These are the same types that cause such hatred among many decent Filipina's because they represent the most pathetic and perverse type of "man" on earth. They give all Westerners a bad name! They end up in places like that because no decent woman in their own country would even consider them for dating much less marriage. Spineless, pathetic, immature and completely out of touch with reality, they are the most desperate and despicable of all in my opinion, then they have the audacity to come to a public forum like this and complain and blame others for their own inadequacies??? Disgusting! Again, I have zero pity for such fools.
While I agree that there are no doubt some "legitimate victims" out there, and I can sympathize with those few, the vast majority of these whiners have been complaining and blaming others all of their pathetic, miserable lives and they always will no matter who they become involved with. Is anyone really surprised that there will always be a parade of scammers out there (everywhere not just in the Philippines) just waiting to pounce on the fools of the
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pounce on the fools of the world? I say they were made for each other.
The worst part of the ridiculous and false comments made on a public forum like this, is that they will wrongly influence and dissuade many who came here simply seeking relative information to their own potential relationships. My comments are designed to defeat that type of disgusting vitriol and allow others to recognize that a vast majority of those whom have relationships with Filipina's are immensely happy and perfectly satisfied in so many ways, myself included. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I have found the greatest gift of all, True Love. Literally because my fiance' is a Filipina, I am a better man. May everyone experience the same in their own lives.
I'm sure my comments will garner much response both positive and negative, I'll probably not bother to respond afterwards as I have already expressed my opinions and have no need to "defend" myself against the inevitable attacks from those who spend their entire lives accusing and blaming others. My purpose has already been achieved by making sure that future visitors here have at least an opportunity to hear the truth related to this important issue. There are good and bad people all over this world, as in all things, choose wisely. May each of you find the True Love we all seek.
@doc':
Hmmmm. Sounds like the vitriol you are accusing others of is coming also from you. What's with that? Many have said that not all filipinas are bad. But please don't discount as trivial or rare the bad experiences that are shared on this forum about filipinas. They are very real situations causing much pain in people's lives---nothing trivial and nothing right about that!
Also your honeymoon isn't even over with your filipina. It may be good as you say, but you will never know until the honeymoon is over and then you do life together. It is a rare person who shows his bad side while dating--if we were all known fully for who we are before the "i do", many marriages would never take place.
@objectivelyspeaking has shared many experiences (good and bad) with filipino people. Some were very damaging, causing divorce of her cousin, death of her grandmother! She also said she has had several filipinos working for her. To me that is sharing her experiences---it is about telling truth of what happened to her or her loved ones. NOT vitriol. Sometimes truth is just plain UGLY.
@TanfromAustralia sounds like the best of friends to have (and he has written nothing "unnatural" about his relationship with his friend as you wrongly hinted at).
Proverbs 27:6 says "Faithful are the wounds of a friend". A good friend will tell you truth, even if it is painful to hear---because he/she loves you and doesn't want harm to come upon you. We are all deceived at times in life and good friends are to keep each other on the right path in life. A bad friend would NOT tell you the truth because it was a tough message to deliver. It takes courage to be such a good friend to deliver such a difficult message because you take the risk of losing the friendship if your friend is offended. A good friend lays down his life for his friend.
(Speaking of Easter today, I have a best friend who laid down His life for me to rescue me from hell. And I am most grateful that He wasn't a coward but He took a stand to tell me the truth and show me His love.)
Once I heard that if you point your finger at another, beware, because you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself. There is some truth in your post, but not all of it is right on. Everyone reading this forum is entitled to post what they want and to read of it what they want. Then we all choose what to accept as truth--eat the chicken and spit out the bones.
I wish to re-phrase a statement in my earlier post: The truly poor do not have access to computers and cell phones to communicate with foreign men to be scamming anybody.
Thank you so much for your last post @Nancy. I say Amen to your second-last paragraph. I have enjoyed a wonderful service at church this morning also.
I did not even bother to read the rest of @doc's post after the first few lines as I think it is a full repeated of another post he made back in January. I would rather spend my time researching/thinking up some good ideas for @khayM and her team on how to get around "being stuck on how", if in case she may find my ideas helpful. Here I am but a commentor. It never escapes me how tough the work must be for filipinas like @khayM, who instead of taking off with a foreign man, choose to stay and work on positive change for her country and people. I have met filipinas here who so quickly disclaim their own nationality, claiming to have grown up elsewhere outside PH. (I can detect tagalog-accented English anywhere.) Here we have someone who could have flown away to the USA with her American husband yesterday, yet chooses to remain loyal to her country and people, fondly referring to them as "my country", "my government", "my people" with such a sense of belonging and patriotism despite everything that has been said here. This is someone I truly admire.
I am with her on encouraging foreign men who marry filipinas to stay in her country, help to rebuild it, rather than take their women away...which is, as ugly as the words imply...a form of modern day pillage of a country that is at the moment poor and vulnerable. I say "at the moment" because I do not believe that PH should be forever poor and vulnerable.
@objectivelyspeaking:
How right you are when you say that those people who are truly poverty stricken do not have access to communication mediums such as cell phones and internet access. These people are more concerned with their own immediate survival and are worried about putting food on the table and having a roof over their heads.
There is a lot of poverty in the Philippines, but those who are intent on scamming foreigners are merely wanting to prostitute themselves into a better life materially. It requires a degree of technological sophistication to be able to whore oneself and do it so incredibly well over dating websites and facebook.
During my time as an immigration lawyer, I came across ever sxcuse these scammers used to extract money from men. The reasons that they gave were convincing at first, such as "my brother needs dental work" and "my mother needs to pay her hospital bill or else she cannot have a life saving operation". Western men buy into that crock of shit at first, but even those excuses get old and fall flat real fast.
The true purpose of the money was so that her extended family can improve their lives materially, so that they could try to catch up to the standard of living in the West. Her family are NOT starving. Trust me on this one.
However, the only difference is that in the West, the majority of us have to work in order to support ourselves and buy the things we enjoy in life.
The idea of working hard so that we can pay for someone else's lifestyle so that they do not have to work yet are perfectly capable is a concept that is totally offensive to the modern sensibility. That is why Western men who marry filipina whores get pissed off down the track. They feel used and exploited. At that time, these filipinas look for someone else who can fulfill that role. Even prostitutes look for a better job.
It is all one big scam.
@Nancy:
I don't think the recent post from "Doc" is really from the same poster.
The latest post was copied verbatim from an earlier post way above in this thread.
Anybody could have copied it. And why would the same poster post something entirely identical the second time round? That sounds moronic considering that the original post was nonsensical and sounded flat the first time round.
So many filipino posters have accused me and objectivelyspeaking of being "racist" and "generalizing" their people. But if you perform a google search on the terms "filipino women", you could see that the majority of the world have an almost unanimous view about these people. They have made a very strong impression on the world.
Yes, thank you for understanding how much I care about my best friend. Why should I just step back, close my mouth and mind my own business when he is going to make one of the biggest mistakes of his life? Because some filipina whore wants to ride on his back so that she can whore herself into the good life? A best friend is one who does not stand back and let one's best friend do something incredibly stupid without trying to stop them.
@TanfromAustralia - Exactly. The good and decent PH people and filipinas have said this over and over – they are not interested in going all out to hook up with foreigners. I have read a post by a filipina on another board about how she studied so hard for overseas scholarships to earn herself a way out of PH for a better future. There is at least one filipina who posted here about how she waited 5 years for her work visa in the US based on vocational eligibility. I interact with PH people in my local community who migrated here as a family where both husband and wife work to raise their young children. They speak proudly of their home country, expressing desire to return to PH for their retirement. These are the good PH people.
So what type of filipina advertises herself on sites for dating and mail-order-brides to hook up with foreign men for marriage, expecting financial support to commence even before the marriage? I think it is quite obvious.
I dislike stereotyping and know there can be deceptive people from all races, however I do worry for my father right now. He's proposed to a Filipino women after only being in her company for 2 weeks...and she accepted. He's paying for her to visit and for all visa costs for her to live in the UK, plus the 'man' (employer) she lives with will send his daughter to live with him also so she can attend the university here. Call me suspicious but it sounds to me like my dad is being 'used'. To begin with, why would this woman even seek to date a man who lives in a country which she cannot afford to travel to, to visit him? It seems unfair he is paying when he is broke himself. I am poor but I would never expect a man to pay for me to visit him as don't think it sets a good example. In addition, she knows he's broke and paying for all visa costs etc yet she asked him for a very expensive Christmas present.....I could never ask a man for that knowing he's struggling to pay for me to get into his country. Just doesn't seem right. Also, she has apparently got a violent husband whom she has to divorce first.....surely that would make her more cautious of men and not so quick to say 'yes' to marriage when she hasn't even lived with my dad yet? It seems there's an awful lot in it for her and her 'employer' and I do wonder that if I told her my dad was coming to live with her in her country instead, if she would still be so interested? I want someone to marry him for WHO he is, not for WHERE he lives. My brother and I are insuring he gets a prenuptnial agreement if the marriage does go ahead and will be keeping a VERY close eye on her (and even secretly recording conversations with her). We would love for her to be genuinely interested in him but if she is just using him to get into the West we will expose her big time with the connections we have in our country.
@Claire:
I think you have plenty of reasons to be suspect about this girl. If you read my experience about my ex husband above, he met this PH girl and visited the country 30 days later---said to her on FB, "just one look at you in the airport and I knew you were the one". They were immediately engaged and have been for 2 years (while she was married to someone else, she posts she is engaged to my ex on FB!!!!). I don't think she told him right away that she was married. I researched about fiance visas online and it takes 6 months to 1 year maximum to get one. I was puzzled that it is taking her 2 years. Recently I heard that she didn't have her visa because she is married and she needs to get an annulment first. PH does not have divorce, only annulment to end a marriage. Apparently this is very costly and hard to get and you have to prove that the spouse is abusive or mentally crazy. Often people just move on to another relationship without doing the anullment because they are so costly. So my ex is paying for her anullment too.
It seems that the PH scammers don't always tell the whole story but there are things that you see that don't seem quite right but you can't put your finger on why it seems a little off. Then the whole truth comes out slowly and sometimes after you have been burned big time.
My attorney told me she has 2 clients who married PH women. One just took what he had and divorced. The other took his money and their child and went back to the PH so he never sees the child at all.
@Claire: How can she bring her 'man' (employer's child) over with her? from what i have read, she can apply to bring her OWN children only. I would venture to guess that she is lying and the child is her own. What is the age of this PH chic? Your dad's age? Why did he decide to look in PH and not in UK for a wife?
Does he skype with her? Maybe you can be there to "get to know her" and see what you think after seeing her and hearing her talk with him.
It sounds like your dad is feeling rather desperate (not meaning to be disrespectful) but maybe you can talk with him about why he feels he must do this ---what his motivation is.
I will tell you that you won't get what money your dad has---she will most likely take it. My 18 year old son is trying to figure out how to pay for college himself without going into huge debt while his dad has no thought to help him with his schooling----he is so heavily invested financially and emotionally in this PH woman that he can't see the forest from the trees. ALL his retirement money is sunk in a house she built with the generous money he sent her until it was all gone. Keep us posted on how things work out. Have your dad read these posts on here--maybe it could help. Best of luck.
@Claire:
I agree with Nancy in saying that you have plenty of reasons to be concerned about your father in this situation.
All the warning signs are there: the quick engagement, requests for money, the desire for a visa. I have just summed up all of the main reasons why filipinas choose to marry Western men. It is not for love.
You say you have some connections. I would hire a detective to do a background check on her if I were you. Hopefully that should expose her for the fraud that she is.
You should also insist on your father drawing up a prenuptial agreement as a condition to the marriage. Don't trust this filipina without one. She will scheme to divest you and your siblings of any prospective inheritance you will get from your father. The filipina has no qualms about doing that. She does it to "survive".
I have a male best friend who is about to marry a filipina. I have convinced him to make her sign a prenuptial agreement AND my friend withdrew all of his life savings of $500,000 AUD from his own bank account and has hidden the money in his mother's bank acount which only the mother can get access to. This filipina whore does not know my friend has this money, so he is just hiding it away, which is better than trying to fight over it if they get divorced.
You can beat these filipina scammers at their own game if you want to. You have to know how to stay two steps ahead of them.
Quote @Ultramagnus – “Pinays have a reputation of accepting and loving an individual no matter what type of person he is, or where he's from.” No matter what type of person (even if old or fat or not rich) because they are useful as stepping stones too. A few men have posted they don’t see having much to lose as they “don’t have much”. That is the biggest problem of all for the rest of our society once the scamming pinay gets in. She will go and scam the next man and wreck the lives of those in his life. What is @Claire’s dad’s pinay going to do after arriving in the UK with her kid and finding that her fiancé and sponsor does not have the kinda cash she has hoped? She’ll go and get her money from the next victim. So let me repeat – PLEASE DO NOT BRING THESE PINAYS INTO OUR SOCIETY AND MAKE US PAY FOR YOUR MISTAKE.
The “employer’s child” in @Claire’s dad’s case is actually an old game. A few months ago, I posted a story from another board about an American only being told that his pinay’s “brother” was actually her son AFTER they both landed in the US. There was another story about the pinay's “boss” being actually the bf/lover. Try telling us again it's not just pinays but women from all countries scam and lie this way? Are American or British or Australian or Arabic women famous for doing this type of BS???
Quote @Doc’ – “ in a public forum day after day” about me. Why not? Are not the shameless pinay scammers relentlessly scamming men online day after day??? Today we hear @Claire’s story. Before the weekend @Nancy’s. How many more have been slashed yet did not post here or anywhere? How many more posting their stories soon?
Try googling up fiancée or fiancé visa. Lots of men are posting questions on how to get one for their filipina. Look at the dates. They are current. Scary? We better wake up to this serious and enormous threat to our families and society!
I have a question. Once the PH gal gets into US, do they have to stay married for 2 years inorder to get green card, or can they leave/divorce before getting a green card and still remain in US?
Not sure if AUS or UK or others countries have different procedures on this or not.
Comment: my ex's PH chic rarely EVER posts his pic with hers on her Facebook site. On the other hand, he regularly put up a pic of them together. To me that says he is more "in lust" with her and she is really not that interested in him. Just a thought.
@TanfromAustralia: too bad your friend can't see the craziness of having to hide all that money in his mom's bank account. It is a bad way to start a marriage with so little trust. i get why you are having him do this though. Hopefully
he will see the light soon before she gets to AUS.
@Nancy - If you google with the search keystring "fiancee visa US immigration" you will turn up US government sites providing the details to your question. According to posts by men who have gone through the details, the marriage must be registered within a short period of time like 2 (or 3) years or the visa will be revoked. During that time, the sponsor (American man) is fully responsible for the fiancee's financial expenses, food and lodging. If she gets in trouble, he gets in trouble. However, once she is in the US as a sponsored fiancee, she is protected by US law. She can file abuse charges against her own fiance/sponsor (some actually did whether truthfully or under false allegations) and get him in all sorts of trouble. It will not be unreasonable to expect that there are men who have been screwed over this way but were too embarrassed to make it known.
One wonders why men would put themselves through all this risk and trouble to bring in a pinay fiancee. At least one man here reasoned that a marriage to an American woman is bound to fail, given the high US divorce rate. Then he went on to accuse posters like me of racism and bigotry. There was no counter-comment when I posted that men who choose to marry women of another race on the assumption that they make better spouses than local women are being racist against their own race.
Further, there are reports that sometimes pinays drag the fiancee visa process so the foreign men keep sending money from abroad, giving them free reign to party and do their own thing in PH. Some are even using the money to support her husband/bf, still some are receiving money from more than one man on this basis through multiple chat accounts and dating profiles. There are also lazy low-life pinoys who hang around pinays like that for the easy constant supply of money. It is an extremely stupid game they are playing on the foreign men and the joke is always on the foreign men.
This is also a reason why the pinay doesn't post photos of herself with the man. She may be juggling several, or is married with children.
@Nancy:
I am not sure about US immigration laws, but in Australia we have something called the 'domestic violence exception' to spouse visas.
If the migrant woman is here on a temporary spouse visa and has still not obtained permanent residency yet, if she suffers from 'domestic violence' at the hands of her sponsoring spouse and files a police report, she will be automatically given permanent residency.
I have come across cases where some women were granted permanent residency through the 'domestic violence exception' despite only stepping foot in Australia for a few days.
This law was created in order to deter male sponsor from abusing their wives whom are vulnerable because they have just migrated and may stay in abusive relationships for the aim of obtaining permanent residency.
This law is open to a lot of abuse by women.
Regarding my male best friend, it is sad indeed that he has had to resort to these protective measures when going into a relationship with a filipina, but there is no other way. There is no trust because you cannot trust a filipina. It is not the best way to start a relationship...so why bother? That is what I said to him.
During my 6 years as an immigration lawyer, you cannot believe the countless stories I came across whereby Australian men have literally lost everything after marrying a filipina. The truly scary thing is that at the outset, you cannot convince these men that these women are scammers, as they all think the one they found is "different" from the rest.
I encouraged my male best friend to be devious and underhanded when dealing with his new filipina fiance. These girls do not play fair and have no ethics. It is not a level playing field when it comes to these women. To beat them at their own game, you would have to think like them and outsmart them.
For most men, they have to be truly f*cked over by these women in order to truly get it.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, these filipinas are notorious for keeping their options open.
Sometimes, they are still living in the same house with their filipino boyfriend and tell their foreign sponsors that the boyfriend is actually a male relative or a housemate who is "gay". Most Western men don't have a devious mind and don't question it any further.
Whilst these Western men are sending back money to support their filipina girlfriends, she and her filipino boyfriend are lavishly spending that money and laughing at the Western man for his stupidity behind his back.
@TanfromAustralia - You are absolutely right. Only someone who saw the before and after like yourself, in a large number of cases from an objective position will know the devious duplicity of these filipina whores and scammers.
They have actually posted here and other boards that white men are particularly easy to cheat, followed by their trademark "hahaha". As far as I am concerned, it is one thing for the men to bear the consequences of their own choices. But bringing these women into our societies who will eventually harm other men and their families is a very serious problem we need to start examining, and figure out how to counteract and prevent.
Alot of what the writer states is true to any woman in general, and from any race...he or she, whoever wrote it, may have been jilted, so what? So you paint an entire people with the same brush...that is called racism...I for one, dont blame any person for wanting to leave the P.I. Governments a joke, corrupted, loaded with graft, women have no rights, it's too hot and humid, not many opportunities to excell...Pillipine people are all over the world, and working for money to send home for the less fortunate...So I see them as people willing to try anything to escape...who can blame anyone for that?
I think it's fine for a Filipino woman to want to escape her country into the west, however, HOW they do this is key. I don't believe in deceiving innocent, western men into thinking they genuinely 'love' them when their main aim is to use him to gain access into the west is just wrong, no matter how bad things are in their country. I hear of many honourable Filipino's who do it off of their own backs without betraying vunerble old men and that's fine.
arrggh it doesn't sound good really does it. Thanks for your responses. My brother and I have tried to get through to my dad last year but he got so violent towards us....I spent several months wanting nothing to do with him. I am back in touch now and he is still nuts. He is definately a desperate old man, he has a few behavioural problems and, as such, no British women he's dated seems to last long with him. He was determined for ages to find a Filipino woman as they seem to put up with his behaviour (obviously because it's in their interest to). We did manage to persuade him to get a prenuptial agreement snd just hope he honours that promise. As far as he's concerned, she's honest, too good to be true etc. She says she's in her early 50's but looks younger. My dad is 65. He visited her in Dubai last summer and proposed (even though they only spent two weeks together). As they skyped a lot before that he seems to think this is enough. If we try to get him to be more laid back and assertive then we are 'vicious' :-D We aren't even allowed to suggest she could be using him. He ended up staying with her at her 'employers' house in Dubai when he visited her because he couldn't afford a hotel. He said she is the cleaner and child minder there for and they treat her just like family (is that because they ARE family?). She earns £300 (which I hear is a lot to a Filipino?) a month but won't contribute towards paying for her ticket to visit my dad this summer. He prides himself on being such a great dad and his kids come first and we just hope this is true and he doesn't end up giving her everything. It's not the money (he's broke) it's the principle of it all. He expects her to put her kids first so she should expect the same of him with his kids. I am going to ask her some direct, trick questions on skype and record her responses. I will also tell her my dad has decided to come live with her in her country and see if she is still as interested in him then. He has agreed to see a therapist over his violent behaviour so perhaps we can get power of attorney as he is losing his marbles fast. If not, I know he will lend me money if I ever need it, so I will just make up something I need it for and then put it in a savings account for him for safe keeping.
Hi, true that not all filifino are bad, but from what i see so far...most of them are no good. N not all western men are good too.
I am Indonesian woman but I have BAD experience with filifino.
I met my husband through 'dating site'. I was a teacher and 29 years old n he was a driver and 48 Caucasian canadian. we dated for a year and when he visited me, we got engage. We engaged for another year before finally get married. Then we waited for one year for my permanent residence. For one year we separated, I have never cheated on him. Not even flirt, because I believe in karma n God. I believe in the purity of love ( I am hopelessly romantic). couple months before I got my permanent residence, I saw changes on my husband behaviour on the skype topwards me. He was kind of distance n when usually he wanted us to sleep together on skype (he worked night shift), now he said he was tired n sick with the laptop screen. I tried to be understanding, although it hurt me...his distance. Then when i was in Canada (fort mac), couple weeks before Christmas, I checked our mail box and got a christmas card for him in pink envelope with no sender name. I was thinking it was from his kids in Quebec, so I opened it.It was from a filifino woman, her name is Maria. She wrote a love letter wishing my husband merry christmas n along with the card there was a photo of them together. So I asked my husband about it when he came home. He blast me for opening his mail. He said the girl is a crazy girl who fall in love with him n everything is not true. the photo is false, bla bla bla. I knew he lied to me, because I am educated, i know alot about technology n false photo. I have my bachelor degree not because i am stupid in brain (stupid heart maybe). I knew the photo is real n i have already guess when he was diff toward me when i was in Indo that there is possibility there was another woman. But i let it go, because i love him n think 'stupidly' i was not there n he is a man that has needs. i made excuses for his cheating. then we spent christmas in my in law in quebec. There I was playing with his cellphone when I saw his iphone has skype application with new account that I dont know he had. His friendlist there is only one person n it was that filifino woman. I confronted him, n he deleted it, he gave me his words n that night we made love, he said he gave me baby so i will believed his love.
So I got pregnant. Then on january 2011 I found out he texting her, they text together. He cleverly erased the text from his iphone when he came home, but one day he forgot to erase that. So I called her. She was suprised he was married. She said sorry n she promised to leave my husband. I totally believed her, she used words from bible n said good words. I was thinking she was a good woman. I felt relieved that it was over...but it is not...cause couple weeks later I found out, they still had relationship. They even called each other (i checked our telus bill) they called each other tens of times in a day for 10-50 minutes. I was very hurt...i am his pregnant wife who said he loved, but he called me only one two times a day with only for a minute, just asking how i am doing, what am i doing. I said to him...if he loved her, then divorce me. I will return to my country, i asked for nothing. i dont want money or alimony. He said he loved me, they just friend (do friend text almost 1000 text message a month?! called tens of a day?! n i listened to the voice mail she was saying: oh martini, u called me so many times made my inbox full. (giggle) miss you)
I was pregnant so I took him back. He said the reason his behaviour because he was thinking I dont loved him. Dont love him? I came across the ocean for him, gave him my virginity n my love. I talked to her n she told me to ask him if he truly love me. I told her I did n he choose his family.
But they still not over. Only a month they didnt connect, then they connected again...But STUPIDLY I took him back. He made me a promised that he will never contact her n he wrote that n sign that on piece of paper.
Well...my husband is a don juan. Maria gone from our lives, he started facebook n had filifine women, flirt with them, told them he was not happy in his marriage. Again...I told him I consider his play play cheating in emotionally. I am faithful to him n wish him to be faithful to me.
My husband had no shame...over n over he cheated on me, lied n spread love everywhere (I lost count)...he even have fling with my own cousin in Indonesia n a neighbour of my family in indonesia. Our relationship was not good...Involve police, etc.
Short story, we have a beautiful baby girl. when our daughter 3 months I went to Indonesia to visited my family. BUT did you know in the car n at the airport, he told me that he was sorry n he will deleted all, he even cried. I told him I was sorry too...that for one year we lived together I should show him more love n not fight all the time.
BUT when I was in the plane with our baby, I checked his email through my iphone...I have not yet take off, he was joining dating sites.....n when i checked on our telus bill it said a moment i was in the airport, he called maria.
I was very angry...I was thinking to leave him when I found out I am pregnant again...
Things were good for couple weeks...then I found out he joined zoosks dating site n send love flirt n called n texted filifine women in our city!!!
I got their phone numbers n talked to some of them. One of them told me he asked to met her. I was SO VERY UPSET. it is over the line he chat n flirt with women in our city (before that the dating site was women living in filifine).
i didnt talk to him for a week. my friend said he is he sick man. my sister said he will never change.
but AGAIN i forgive him ( my maid asked me: he did these to you so many times, how you can survive them all these times?). I became more insecure, more worried...
now...yesterday (i am now 4 months pregnant) i found out he been texting hundreds of times with this filifine woman in our city, i know her numbers, she was one of the zoosks members that i called but refused to talked to me.
Tell me...what should i do? I dont trust him anymore. Yes, stupidly I still have feeling for him. But TRUST...it is gone.
I dont understand women...when i was young (even now) i have never talked flirt with married men. when I know a man is married I refused him. I dont want to destroy or disturb anyone marriage. Why Filifino women doesnt think like that???? they talked alot about religion go to church every sunday...but where is their heart?
didnt God forbit us to even wants your neighbour property????
i know its not only THE FILIFINO fault...THE BIGGEST FAULT in Our marriage is MY HUSBAND.
I just want everyone who in dating relationship online...know your couple more n deep before you take the next step. dont be blind about love.
i wish i know him better before i married him, obviously chatting on telephone n seeing a person everyday on skype is not enough to know a person. to know a person is to see them in real life.
PS this woman is apparently getting an annulment of marriage but it won't take effect until 2013....which is around the time her 'sponsor' wants to send his 16 year old to study at the university here. Because this guy let him stay in his house for free for two weeks last summer, dad seems to think this guy is 100 percent trustworthy. Maybe he is....but I don't know. It's a bit bad really as my brother was living with dad last year after his marriage broke up. He paid his way but dad kept moaning about the water bill etc (even though my brother hardly bathes lol). He moans about supporting his own son but has offered to support this young girl while she's at uni here who isn't even related to him. I'm not one to not give people a chance and adore different cultures etc but I can't seem to shake this feeling in my guts that something is seriously not right here.
@Irmawati
I'm really sorry for your experience but thank you for sharing it. You are totally correct, webcam chat is not enough to truely get to know someone, even if it's every day. It's also sad that these scammers talk about being so honest and religious (going to church etc). The main reason my dad gave for believing his Filipino bride-to-be is because he emt her on a Christian dating site..... :-) I really had to stifle a huge laugh when he told me that. It's so naieve of him to even consider that this would make someone trustworthy. First of all, 'anyone' can join a religious dating site (they are not screened or interviewed to determine the sincerity of their belief!). Secondly, I've read that Christian dating sites are full of scammers thinking it will be easier to take advantage of someone's 'good, christian' nature. It really is very sick, my dad deserves an honest, genuine women, not to be used like this. He's had some pretty dodgy girlfriends in the past but we never had any worries that they were using him for anything.
I hope you find someone wonderful now that asshole is gone, I am sure great things lay ahead for you :-)
@ claire
in our city, fort mac, there are many filifino women...n yes, most of them has no shame. my girl friend told me when my girl friend were walking with her husband, they met couple of them, n without shame they flirt with her husband with their eyes n smiles.
it happened to me too when i was walking with my husband.
n one of my friend neighbor, there was a 70 years old western man married with 30 years old filifino. he died couple years after they got married.
noe this filifino has a boy friend a western young man, but although her relationship with him been years, she doesnt married him because she will lost her dead husband pension money.
maria...the one i told u about...she was pregnant another man's baby when she chat text flirt with my husband. its not about love, its about getting a pr...how can suddenly you got pregnant just couple months before your working visa expired????
I hope your dad open his eyes.
I talked to my brother in law (in indonesia), he travels alot for his bussiness, n he told me when he visited filifine, his filifine co-worker told him that most of filifine women are green eyes.
People can say that its all because the poverty in filifine or the goverment.
HEY I live in Indonesia, where corruption is very BAD here. Where poverty is everywhere.
It is not a REASON to scam people just because you are POOR or has no MONEY.
My aunts family...most of them are poor, but they never cheat or scam people. They still smile n happy. IF YOU CANT EAT CHICKEN, JUST EAT FISH. IF YOU CANT BUY ORIGINAL BAG OF GUESS JUST BUY THE FAKE ONE.
IF TOO EXPENSIVE TO BUY BOUTIQUE CLOTHES, GO TO FLEA MARKET!!!!
It is all how WE THINK about life n how we dealt with them.
"Pillipine people are all over the world, and working for money to send home for the less fortunate...So I see them as people willing to try anything to escape..." - yes I agree and I socialize with/support the work of anyone WORKING for money to send home.
SCAMMING/DISHERITING SOMEONE ELSE'S CHILDREN OF THEIR RIGHTFUL INHERITANCE/PUSHING SOMEONE'S LAWFULLY WEDDED WIFE AND CHILDREN OUT THEIR FAMILY is NOT EQUAL TO WORKING!!
Since when is poverty a license for dishonesty and devious behaviour?? If it is, theft, robbery and fraud wouldn't be crimes punishable by law in all civilized and developed countries, would it? If prompted, more on how theft, robbery and fraud can be committed in different forms, something it seems scamming lying whores commit as easily as changing shoes.
@Irmawati
I am really sorry for what you have put up with in your husband's bad behavior. My favorite saying is "Time reveals a person's character". So you have a small daughter and have another child on the way? Are you in Indonesia or Canada? Will you go back to Canada? What are your plans? I think you should divorce him and get child support---he should help you financially to raise his children. He has a "love addiction (more like lust addiction) and it isn't going to change until he admits he has a huge problem. You are going to keep getting hurt over and over again. Don't do that to yourself---protect your life and don't let him destroy you. You are the best thing that happened to him i imagine, and he should treat you with respect and honor. Forgiveness is right, but to keep on trusting someone who breaks your heart is wrong. He is never going to change without changing his mind first to admit what he is doing is wrong. Protect yourself by leaving him. When you sleep with him, you are sleeping with ALL the women he sleeps with---loose women who most likely have sexually transmitted diseases. Don't let yourself get those diseases or even worse to get AIDS. You have to think of what is best for your children and yourself. I would quit as soon as you can and get out of the marriage. Sure you will still have feelings for him----you made yourself one with him because you really did love. Love dies slowly. My husband did much evil towards me---different ways than your husband---and it broke my heart more because i did love him. However, it went on so long, that I have NO love for him----I see him as an evil man trying to take advantage of others for his own profit. I don't want to be with him EVER. He left me and it broke my heart more, but now I see his leaving me as a HUGE blessing to me. I am so thankful he left because he was bad for me and my kids. The marriage was hopeless situation with me trying to put up with his bad behavior for years. I think it could almost have destroyed me. When you leave, just know that you got 2 wonderful children out of it---and they would be Canadian citizens too----and you have a permanent residency so you wouldn't have to leave Canada I assume. Or you could go back to Indonesia if you chose to do that. You sound like a very honest, kind, trusting person. It is very sad that this has happened to you. You can't change him because he is not correctable when he does wrong and someone says that is not right. He does whatever he likes. Yes, the Bible says "do not covet your neighbor's wife"--so yes, God says that adultery is sin. I think you should get a divorce to protect yourself and then go on with your life and make a good life for your children as well. I am sure you have learned many lessons from this bad experience that you will be much wiser in who you pick to marry next time. My heart truly goes out to you! I was a very trusting person too, and had much compassion on others so that I overlooked HUGE faults and still chose to marry. Now I see that trust is EARNED. It was a huge red flad that he slept with was it your cousin and a neighbor in Indonesia. Just learn the lesson, leave him now while you can, make him give child support, and go on with your life.
@Claire:
I have been thinking about your situation with your dad. Wondering if he would be open to premarital counseling when she arrives---counsel with somone you really trust that has much wisdom. Maybe he won't listen to that person either though.
Tell me---what is Maria's last name? My ex husband has girlfriend in PH named Maria. Just wondering if it could be same one.
@Claire:
You said your dad's PH chic is getting annulment that won't be final until 2013. When did she start to file it? How does she know it will take that long? Is she in Dubai now? Wonder how she gets annulment from Philippines while she is in Dubai? I think there is extensive legal stuff to get this---have to prove he is insane or abusive. I think it can not always be approved. In my case with the ex, I just am praying that his PH chic's husband will resist the annulment and put them all in a bind. They are just getting deeper in the pit, one shovel at a time. Just wanted to know what your dad knows about the annulment procedure, what the PH gal told him, etc. thanks.
i see some of them trying to seduce high rank police officer here in the Bahamas,those officers are married with children, they cant do nothing for them, they take their badness and bring it here my god women where is you all pride, everyone talking about them now, guys thank for this page i send it off to over 5000 people and ask them to spread the word so they wont damage this little paradise of ours and turn it as how they have their country.
Good of you to do that for your country @tally. I am also thinking it will be good for those who have been scammed, affected, impacted, men and women, directly or indirectly, to start warning more people like @tally did. Those with loved ones in harm's way of scamming whoring filippinas, to think of ways to actively protect their loved ones' assets, like @Claire and @TanfromAustralia are doing.
Like I said before, guarding one's assets is protection on a personal level. We still need to think of how to circumvent letting undesirables into our country through fiancee visas, for protection on a societal level. Our country's Immigration Ministry does their own job screening anyone entering the country. Men whose testosterone is feeling flattered do not.
As the comment made by Fatima from the middle east states, it is very true that the majority of Pinays in the middle east, especially in Qatar, Dubai,Kuwait, (UAE,) are involved in prostitution. If you would like, you can check this link and judge for yourself: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/qatar/TU40RR42M4H
@Nancy:
'Maria' is a very common name in the Philippines. I doubt it is the same person...
@objectivelyspeaking:
The only way to truly protect ourselves is to make sure that we and our loved ones avoid them.
Men should not get involved with them and women should not hire them as domestic staff if these women have a husband. It is a recipe for disaster.
I once had a filipina as a client. This girl was very refreshing to talk to because she was so honest and cut through all the bullshit.
She told me that filipinas have a plan when it comes to climbing the social and economic ladder. The plan is as follows:
1. Obtain a visa to a wealthy destination like Dubai, Hong Kong and Singapore;
2. Once there, obtaining work as a "maid" or "nanny" because they reason that only wealthy men can afford to hire domestic staff; and
3. Working as a domestic staff within a wealthy household would give them the opportunity to seduce these men. In doing so, these men might leave their wives for them and if they get pregnant by these men, it also helps them to get a permanent visa through sponsorship and ongoing financial support from these men. These filipinas don't care that they are destroying somebody else's family unit.
If you think about it, you would realise that the filipina "maid" or "nanny" is a ruse, a scam and a massive con job. It is an actress playing a role, albeit an Oscar worthy performance.
These filipinas don't work as domestic servants because they love children. If that were the case, then they should go to poor countries like Africa where there are large numbers of orphaned children as there is much more need for their services there.
These filipinas gain work as domestic servants in wealthy countries because they are opportunists. They reason that gaining inner access to a wealthy man's home is much easier than hanging around a bar to try to pick him up. These filipinas don't give a f*ck about utterly destroying someone's family.
I have dealt directly with so many of these filipinas for so many years that I know them like the back of my hand. I can get inside their mind and work what they are going to do and how they are going to do it...way before they do it.
The best advice that I can give women out there is this: if you have a husband and a family that you hold sacred, please, please, please do NOT hire a filipina domestic servant. Go without or hire an old fat housekeeper or nanny instead. At least someone like that will really do the job which they were hired to do. And you still get to keep your husband and avoid a divorce. A lot of women have learnt this lesson the painful way. Don't end up like them. TRUST me on this one. I have been around the block too many times and have seen too much to be wrong about this.
@Nancy
Her last name is inco. She works in a coffee shop in stony plain.
just want to share: one of my friend has a brother in law, when his dad died, he asked help (money) to buried his dad, my friend lent the money...but he didnt use the money to buried his dad, he used it to flew to filifine n married his filifine gf.
@tanfromaustralia
that is true what you said.
the first day my indo girlfriend worked in community center, she was avoided by her western co-workers. she later found out the reason is the western women though she was filifine n going to steal their husband away.
i think they dont care of stealing or destroying other people family. they want better life n they will do whatever it takes.
if filifine love kids n thats why they work as a nanny, then why they leave their own kids back home??? as a mom, i found it hard to be away from my baby. n as far as i know they have bachelor degree, i never check is filifine better economy than indonesia or not...but here in indonesia if you have a degree you can find a job n support your family (but simple life of course...maybe they are more materialistic than us)
such as maria, my husband told me she has 7 years old child back home in filifine...
I think if it was an occasional experience where a PH woman deceitfully seduced a rich, needy man because he takes the bait, then that would not be as troubling. But when there are stories after stories, and many innocent family members have been burned, people become very angry at the deceit and injustice of such wickedness by PH chics. It is hard to call them "women" because they have no integrity, only out to do evil to get selfish pleasures fulfilled.
I don't know the nationality of the maid who had a child with Arnold Schwartzenegger, but it was a case of the maid and the rich husband shacking up for years then concealing the love child they conceived. It was blasted all over the news about the deceit and the great harm (and embarrassment)it did to his wife and children---destroying their marriage. I can't help but feel sorry for that child from their relationship---bet it can really mess up a kid like that for life all because of 2 selfish people who engage in the temporary, passing pleasures of sin until the truth comes to the surface and then everyone's lives are shattered. She may not have been from PH, but what happened is a vivid picture of how these chics destoys people, relationships, families, etc.
I have learned a lot about these women from my experience but my eyes have really been opened through this website to learn even more things that these women do.
In reference to the posts above by @irmawati and @Nancy, I have this to share of my own experience. I posted further up that in the past year, I have been approached by middle-aged white men at Chinese malls in an invasive and inappropriate manner obviously looking for a hook-up with a filipina, because I look like one due to my Euro-Chinese heritage. Now that @irmawati mentioned it, I have begun to realize that the Caucasian wives of 2 of my elders at church have deliberately distanced themselves from me even though one of them was very friendly and helpful at first. My significant other goes to a church of a different denomination with his mom close to her home. So I attend church on my own, possibly leading some women to think that I could be a threat to their marriage. I do not blame them at all.
Honestly, Caucasian women and all women for that matter, must now be on full alert to protect their marriage and husband. I am all for it. I have to accept being mistaken for a filipina at times as I can’t alter the way I look. I will tell all my women friends (some already know), my daughter and nieces also to be aware of such evil societal threats as filipina whores on the prowl for their men, when my daughter and nieces come of age.
Arnold Schwartzenegger’s maid is S. American, although I am not sure from which S. American country. In a conversation with my brother recently, he said same as house and car break-ins. people need to be vigilant, taking the necessary precautions to protect their property. People who lock their doors and windows when they are out and never leave their cars in public places unlocked run a much lower risk of getting robbed and stolen from. We all know what the risks are. The internet provides a wealth of information beyond our immediate horizons. The onus is on us to get in the know and be careful where we tread. Like @Nancy, I have learned so much more about the threat of bad filipina whores since stumbling on this thread and began my online research on other boards. Like @irmawati, we good women were never raised to go anywhere near someone else’s husband or bf. This is why this type of behaviour by filipina whores is such a rude shock to us. Same with the men who got scammed. The women in their own society are not like that as a norm, or they wouldn’t have been scammed by filipinas so easily and quickly.
I have somewhat of an understanding about the problems associated with Filipinas and Caucasian men. My father was once married to a Filipina whom he met through an online dating service and like most of the sob stories we get to read about (the girl being poor, marriage the only option to get out of poverty, etcetera), it was true in my father's wife's case.
It doesn't help though that the Philippine Government or even its citizens do much to help prevent misconceptions about their race.
Take this site for instance. http://more-fun-in-the-philippines.blogspot.com/se
I understand there are really conservative Filipinas, but this just doesn't do them any favors.
@John Fox:
But there are no "misconceptions" about them, at least not from us. Everything we know and say about them is true.
People who have the "misconception" that they are harmless and have no hidden agenda are the ones who get scammed.
if we all start sharing this site i bet they will run for cover.
We need to put our heads together and come up with a multi-prong game plan to retaliate and protect our families and society from evil filipina whores. This has been going on for so long and nothing good will come about if we just let it continue to destroy us. Look at what has become of PH. Sharing this link via the internet and social media is a good start. Thanks for that @tally.
@TanfromAustralia - I did some research today on the 3 foremost host countries of PH OFW maids - the Gulf nations, HK and Singapore. It seems some Gulf nations have considered replacing PH OFWs with those of other countries like Nepal, or with their own local nationals. Singapore has added a special levy on PH domestic maids which results in less take-home pay for them. This is a subtle and diplomatic way of reducing the number of PH maids vying for employment there.
I am just wondering if the governments of the US, Canada, UK and Australia (fiancee visa hotspots) were to up the fiancee visa fee signifantly, it would help stem the inflow of undesirable PH mail-order brides scamming their in to do more damage to our societies. Quite a few men have posted that the best way to find a truthful filipina gf/wife is not to offer fiancee visas and financial support. Only the very smart and discerning men will do this. Most especially the older ones are still getting them in because it is so easy and inexpensive to get a fiancee visa. Therefore, something more needs to be done by members of societies, by way of gathering information and evidence, then petitioning to our governments.
@objectivelyspeaking:
It would not help if the Australian government were to increase the application fee for spouse visas as a means to stem the flux of filipinas coming into our country.
This is because most of the time, Australian male sponsors pay for the visa application fee.
@TanfromAustralia - I am not talking about marginal but hefty increases. Of course that is a long shot (oh I can hear some sighs of relief) but Rome wasn't built in a day, btw nor are first world countries. There are a lot of very simple folks here who work very hard for not all that much and still call it a life. They don't go around taking from others like PH scammer whores do.
In the immediate, we have to keep posting warnings, spreading the word offline, blasting this link to our contacts online, informing as many as we can.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I can support the argument for a hefty increase, not as a means of deterence, but instead on the basis that most of spouse visa applications lodged are not genuine.
Most of the time, the sponsor is genuine whilst the applicant is not. Which means that the whole application is not genuine.
Spouse visa applications are the default applications for people who have no other means of getting into Australia, such as through vocation or other family sponsorship.
Assessing spouse visa applications (most of which are not genuine) are a waste of the Australian government's resources. These applications are the equivalent of whoring oneself into our country. Let the applicants shoulder the financial burden of these applications, rather than the taxes of the hardworking Australian people.
Did you see on the right side bar of this Hub posting that there are other hub sites about finding a PH woman??? Maybe our hub site could be also on one that is advertising PH women. There was a guy posting on here who lives in PH. He said he did investigations on chics there if you want him to investigate. @Claire: Maybe this would be good thing to check on this for your dad. Not sure if he costs an arm and a leg or not. He posted some time ago.
I was reading last night---think visa cost about $350 for US. Also physical is something like $275 --not sure if that is exact cost. It sounded like you had to have birth certificate, marriage record or annulment record, etc. Also you have to prove you have been together (photos, emails, etc) to prove that it isn't coming to US just to get green card, but that you actually have a relationship. I think the procedure is a little long and detailed to follow through on all of it, but if you do what they say, you can get the visa. My understanding is that once you get in US, you have to be married within 90 days or your visa is no longer valid. Then once married, you can apply for permanent residency and can get green card to stay in US in 2 years. So I am assuming you have to make the marriage appear to work for 2 years. Does anyone know if that is so?
@Nancy:
There are a large number of private investigation firms based in the Philippines doing very lucrative business. These firms specialise in investigating the background of filipinas at the instigation of foreign men.
The reason why these firms are doing so well businesswise is because it is a cultural tradition for filipinas to scam foreign men.
These firms would not exist and thrive if there was no work of this kind.
Go figure.
I don't know about the immigration laws and policies of the US, but in Australia here we have something very similar.
@Nancy - A mere few hundred $$ for the fiancee visa and marriage registration within 90 days is a recipe for fiancee disaster for American men. So it is the green card application in 2 years, not the marriage registration as I had thought at first. No wonder the filipina scammers are always inviting foreign men to vacation with them in PH - that's when the photos will be taken.
PH mail-order scammer brides are entering the US by the double-digit thousands every year since 2006. US Immigration should up the fiancee visa fee to $10K a pop, in my opinion. Women in the PH fiancee visa hotspots should petition their governments for this hefty increase.
There is a well known phrase among the Filipinas looking to find a partner; they search for someone with the 3M's or sometimes known as the 4M's.
Matandang (old)
Mayaman (rich)
Madaling Mamatay (easily die)
It's a well known phrase througout the Philippines, whether in Luzon, Visayas, or Mindanao (the 3 main regions of the Philippines). So much for the Filipinas with their usual refrain of 'Not All!!' when confronted with the pervasive reality of Filipina scammers and users.
In reality though, the don't wait for the old man to die, or do they necessarily look for a rich man. As long as the Filipinas are able to use them as a stepping stone to acheive their target, and then they break up with the men to move on towards their next goal.
If the man is rich, and provides well for her, she may stay and get as much as she can off him. But she will probably have other younger lovers.
hey people all them stick together don't mind them,they all into what going on, i did my home work.i will not allow them to destroy families in the Bahamas,i already but ad in the papers why they wouldn't hire them as housekeepers
actually, this should not be an issue in the very first place if there is no interaction between filipinas and foreigners (i mean, internet and others). if you really wanted an honest and loving partner for life, then you should not find him/her on the internet. look for someone whom you can love truly and will love you back. like someone with your own race, or a friend, office mate or better yet, your best friend!
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Find a partner on equal footing so they have no incentive to exploit you.
@kulogo patrol, those ones in the Bahamas come here to work and trying to destroy families so it show me all the same internet one or not they have one intention,they just down right evil, my job is to make sure they don't destroy the Bahamas and the men of my paradise.
Thanks for that @yosemite. Your last post affirms what I have been posting here the last 6 months and those of @TanfromAustralia and a number of others. This whole fiancee visa fiasco is in truth an exportation of women from PH into first world countries...something that can be described in more than a few dirty words.
A ton of truth in @kulogo patrol's post also. That's how a life partner ought to be sought. There are many people in the US and Canada who opt NOT to date long-distance across states and provinces. How does the lack of together-time make for nurturing a meaningful relationship, one has to ask. Men go for filipinas because they are sold into it. Men propose marriage after a first meeting of a 2-week vacation, start making monthly remittances while still in the fiancee visa process, then bring the filipina into the country giving her full rights to protection by the law including against him? If this does not equal madness plus stupidity I do not know what is. This is an outright scam so obvious it is a joke.
"Compatibility" has replaced "Finances" as the #1 reason for divorce in the US, as published in an internet article last year. How does one establish compatibility in a situation of long-distance communication for months and sometimes years on end?
As for PH OFW domestic maids, I have come across a number of posts and internet articles opposing this separation of families and “endangerment of women” by PH nationals themselves. Past President Gloria Arroyo herself has spoken and written against it. Personally, I feel this era of exporting cheap female domestic labour from PH needs to end. Its supposed purpose to help a country recover from post-war or post-foreign-occupation poverty has long outrun its course and meaning. Now it has become a system of lazy families pushing the one or two women overseas as ATMs to feed their lazy lifestyles that go on for decades, leaving children to grow up without both parents. A PH OFW recently published a book of 20 articles by 20 OFW domestic maids about their sorrows and pressures for more money put on them by families and relatives to satisfy their ever-increasing material needs and even fiestas! What do these OFWs do when they are at their wit’s end? They borrow from one another or their bfs who are OFWs from countries like India or Sri Lanka. Many of these OFWs are married. Having bfs to borrow from means a compromise on morality all set up for them. Still others whore themselves for the money. I once made a simple calculation of female OFW remittances from the Gulf nations based on statistical data from a PH government site and reported average income. It worked out to about $1440/mo on average for the preceding years. That’s roughly 3Xs the average income of female OFWs across board. Where did the excess money come from? Go figure. The further problem is, some OFWs are reporting that their families are unable to account for the money they remitted over the years. Not all of their hard-earned wages have been properly invested for their and their’s family financial security. A lot of it was spent on material frivolity. (People who don't work for their money have no idea how to value it. Same applies to filipina brides who marry rich foreign husbands.) I think many of them are so numbed and angered that they forgot they are even human. This is such a horror story for PH women and their employment host countries, all thanks to PH government policies. Is this the reason for the evil deeds they lash at their host country nationals? If it is, it is a problem created in and by PH, not our problem to solve or price to pay.
How do we take this whole thing in the right perspective? Allowing these PH OFWs to harm our society out of sympathy is NOT the way to help anybody. Refraining from hiring and importing them (as fiancees)is a first step in putting pressure on the PH government to address their internal economical issues in a more sensible and equitable way that really HELP NOT HURT people, their own and ours. This will in turn help movements like CoRRECT to push for positive change that will REALLY HELP their people. I hope the poster who said this thread has been submitted to the PH government for review will follow through on this one for their own sake.
Now my next point - what do the young girls talk about in the villages as they grow up in a separated family environment without proper nurturing and inculcation of the right values? How to nail a foreign guy through the internet or a mutual contact or whatever means they can dream up. And so the PH debacle continues into the next generation and the next, hurting us foreign nationals in the process.
As for the women in first world countries, it is not difficult to pull up official stats on women in the workforce and their income levels. (This does not even include the economic value of stay-at-home moms.) So all these women are working to pay taxes, which in turn go to paying the immigration officers who process fiancée visas for filipinas to come in to the country and screw up their family/society at (what?) $350 a pop?? I say it is time to petition the government as a united front, people!!
A lonely British man who flew across the world to propose to a woman he met on the internet has been stabbed to death by her jealous boyfriend - just two days after he arrived in the Philippines.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309418/Br
This wasn't the first or only foreign man who died this way in PH. In this story which took place in Sept. 2010, it was a young 28-year-old. Somebody's son. Some mother went through 9 months of pregnancy and don't know how many hours of labour to birth him, then spent years loving, raising and educating him. Then he die for being conned by a filipina who has a live-in bf who did not even approve of the scam? I say that because some pinoys are totally aware and pimping out their pinay.
You see, there are those of us in proper societies who take pains to raise our children, treasure them and value them. Unlike many filipinas who have no respect for human life and society using surprise pregnancies to nail foreign men, when that fails, toss the kid to goodness knows where, next please.
Why would we want to tolerate the introduction women of such mentality into our society???
i just send this site to the news room here so everyone in this country can know, and stop trusting them with their children, these people is really sick to the core man i had to do it because the more i look up information the more sick it get, i don't want to see no one get kill because a filipinas who don't know what or care about others only themselves i vow to stop them here in the Bahamas i am not joking
The reason people can't find their own kind to marry in their own country is because they can see the person for who they really are ---they see their good AND bad. So they dont' marry because of the baggage they see.
To look on the internet for a mate, you only see the outside of the person---appearance. Then to webcam or skype, you only see what the person shows also but there is much hidden. Then after the "i do", the hidden stuff comes out and they find out who the person really was all along. We can all learn from this.
@objectivelyspeaking: how can we as individuals make a difference in what PH govt. does? How can we be heard by our embassies or govt. to stop these scams? It seems impossible to change things. Posting here is a start. What else can we do?
@Nancy:
The reason why filipinas do not marry their own filipino men is because their own men are lazy, dishonest and can do utterly nothing for them, except to pimp their own women out to foreign men in order to obtain financial support.
Filipino men are not exactly known for their hard work ethic. They are amongst the most laziest people I have ever come across...yet they feel this great sense of entitlement to all the finer things in life, at someone else's expense.
Filipinas don't chase after their own filipino men. It is like chasing after a group of men who do not have a backbone or a penis. Do you even have to ask whether these men can do anything for their own women?
Well,everywhere all over the world you can find such an opportunists women or men...You can't put a "TRADEMARK" to such race that he or she is like this or like that just looking on the basis of what are other says. Every people have a real unique attitude it depends on how they brought up by their great parents or some environmental factors i would say...It's easy for some people to put the criticism that PINAYS are just after for the green card. I think it's better to name that person than to put everyone in generalization.Look first at the mirror and ask yourself who you are before you can put judgement to somebody else.
@Filifina
True, in each countries they have their own bad things n we as a human being never escape from sins.
but fact is filifine reputation is more than others.
we talked here about the personal experience and friends, family experiences. it is not something we made up.
n i look everyday myself on the mirror. i think i look pretty hhhhhh lol.
@Filipina:
Apart from the Nigerians, no other nationality other than the filipino people have made scamming, hustling and exploitation into such a widespread and acceptable cultural tradition. There is definitely a cultural "trademark".
Typo corrections to my previous post: “died”, “introduction of”
@Nancy – It is open knowledge that PH is a country fraught with enormous problems both social and economic. Every country has problems to varying degrees, it is up to their government and most of all their people to resolve those problems internally. In the case of PH, their dirty linen is hung out for the world to see because of the mass exportation of their women over the years in the name of OFWs as domestic maids, health/caregivers, and the increasing number of infamous mail-order brides. In recent years, it has become hard to draw the line between PH maids and PH whores, as the former is commonly moonlighting as the latter. What is so worrisome is that somewhere along the line, people from the guts and bowels of PH decided that whoring their women is the way to go, acting like there is nothing wrong, nothing bad, in fact "heroes" to be sacrificed as whores to support family and country. What is morally unhealthy and unacceptable for the rest of the world, is all fair game to an increasing number of filipinas, it seems. When we are talking about a population of almost 95M, the problem is no chicken-feed.
To quote a good and educated filipina who posted here: “So what caused the demoralization of these people? It's like a question of what came first, chicken or egg.” Is it their government’s failure or themselves? Can a general effectively command an army that instead of marching to orders just waltz to their own tune? Educators will tell us they can’t help students who plain refuse to study. Then there is the Chinese proverb: “We can lead a horse to water, but we cannot make it drink.” Need I mention the famous JFK quote: ”Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”. My take is, at the end of the day, it all comes back to the people. PH is not a communist country. If they truly want, their people can unite and force change. We have seen this in the downfall of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the military Junta in Myanmar. How did this come about but by the will of a people. The people of PH can choose to deny deny deny, ignore the glaring symptoms of impending doom upon themselves, continue to practise crab mentality, twist truth into lies, rebrand whoring into heroism, abandon their country to perpetuate the same destructive behaviour in the new one. The last is the part we cannot and must not tolerate and accept, as it amounts to allowing them to contaminate our good society, set fire in our backyards.
“Democrazy” is an interesting word. At the root of it is the abuse or misuse of democracy...but by whom?? How did the other one-time poor little Asian countries thrive? Private enterprise. HK is a shining example. The people did it all on their own leading up to the 1997 Chinese takeover, with no explicit help from government. Neither British nor Chinese. HK is the country that boasts the most Rolls Royces in Asia. Their national language is neither English nor Mandarin but a Chinese dialect. Says who it cannot be done.
The Brazilian government is clamping down on porn sites. The PH government passed a Bill some twenty years ago banning mail-order brides. What’s the title of the top related Hub to this one on the right sidebar? “Philippines Brides - Find a beautiful Filipina bride online”. YouTube has all sorts of advertising videos promoting filipina mail-order brides. Why is the PH government doing nothing about it? Will they react if more people (foreign and local) spread the word to put pressure on them to do something? I believe they will for good international stature which every country must uphold. Same with this whole online scamming/fiancée visa debacle. We have largely been uninformed (including myself) of the severity of this problem until this thread and a few others started gaining momentum in readership and followers. If united and not as individuals we keep spreading the word, keep putting pressure to help make this PH fiancee BS unfashionable for the moral health and integrity of all countries involved, we will see a gradual reversal of this trend. If there is no demand, supply is pointless and unprofitable. These are baby steps, which brings to mind another proverb: “But the first essential is that you begin.” Not sure if anyone has noticed, yet another filipina dating site has been dropped from the sidebar of this Hub. When I first started posting here 6 months ago, 4 of the 6 were such. Now there are only 2, a reduction of 50 percent.
I think it is laudable that someone like @tally is taking upon herself to do so much to protect the social integrity of her country, investing her own time, effort and money. We need more like her in all the countries affected by this unhealthy filipina fiancée scam phenomenon, starting with the US who leads this unfortunate pack.
@objectivelyspeaking:
If you were to compare and contrast the Philippines' history with other countries, you would concede that the Philippines has not had it quite so tough.
Countries like Vietnam have been devastated by civil war, the Middle East has been devastated by political instability, China has struggled with a Communist regime. There are other countries the welfare of which has been affected by external forces and factors entirely beyond their control.
The Philippines is not a Communist country nor has it been affected by political instability to the extent of the other countries I mentioned. You can't blame the state of the Philippines on any external forces or factors.
The sad reality is that the people of the Philippines have been responsible and continue to be responsible for the state of their country. It is a democratic government, remember?
Perhaps the first step is for its people to take ownership of the problems as a precursor to fixing up the mess of their country.
After dealing with the filipino directly for years, I can conclude that it is their behavioural pattern to eschew responsibility and pass the problem on to someone else.
With an attitude like that, it is little surprise that pimping and prostitution is a national profession for its men and women.
I'm engaged to an American man, he is very crazy to marry me.And i know for sure that he got the right one. I meet him in the enternet,i'm not marrying him for money.I'm marrying for love and respect that i got from him. I believed that only few American man have it.RESPECT
The only people who gets scammed by these certain filipino women are those who are stupid/naive enough to believe them. Word of advice: use your head not your dicks. In all fairness since I was brought up in the Philippines I can sense and know who are gold diggers from a genuine filipino woman more than a foreigner would. But come on! if you met them online and they ask you for money that's already a red flag. If they ask you to "take care" of their family paying school, hospital bills and stuff, another red flag because any woman (filipino or not) in their right mind who actually loves you and respects you would never ask such a thing. It's a simple solution. Get to know the person, work on your relationship like any other successful relationship out there regardless the race.
Not all filipino women are the same just like not everyone is the same.
I'm a filipina, i've been living in the US for 3 years. Not because of marriage but because I worked my ass off to obtain a scholarship and to graduate in this country. And yes I'm about to marry my american boyfriend. We're happy and in love. If there's even a possibility that he's not happy then screw him I can survive by myself.
So before any of you stereotype and make derogatory remarks about ALL filipino women I suggest you should at least try to widen your perspective and get to know more than a few filipino women or even visit the Philippines before you make that assumption.
Another suggestion if you do visit the Philippines there is this thing called social statuses (it's sad but true). Know who belongs where. I'm sure if you mingle with women in the right social status we wouldn't even give you the time of day. But at least you'll be able to find someone who's not after your money or whatever "advantages" you have as someone who was born in a first world country.
IF you desire for a successful marriage, STOP LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT AND PERFECT PERSON, BE THE RIGHT AND PERFECT PERSON.
ITS just a simple formula anyone can apply.
I am proud to be a FILIPINA!
Nomad@ i have been looking deep at this whole thing for over two years, really now Nomad@ there nothing you can say to change things so please stop,why on earth this girl come to the Bahamas and marry a 64 years old man, she only 24.why those women who working at maids trying to seduce them women husband,you claim all it not the same show me the one who aint looking to scam. i do watch closely so take your games and your pity to your own country, if it take me alone to stop all the mess before it hit us hard i will, i dont hate people i just hate their ways when they set out to hurt others
if you mingle with women in the right social status we wouldn't even give you the time of day.see that all they think about wealth where you people come from man this i want to know,that all you think about how to impress other no morals
what you give to the world, you cant take back, please stop try defend them when it is what it is and am going to do what must be done so no need for your pity party, nothing wrong with someone want to leave their country and make a better living but don't try to scam your way work hard and do what needed to be done that all we are saying, not breaking up others home to supply your lazy families and show off on your friends,even the once who working here as nurses, there are so many complain coming in about them.
If you're a foreigner (not just american), old as dirt, and has terrible personality. You got divorced for so many times in your life. Then you started looking for love from a young Filipina online. Do you really think that this young Pinay would love you? It's applicable to all young women all over the world. They would only marry you because of your money. It's like 1/10 probability that an old guy will be genuinely loved buy a younger woman. Use your COMMON SENSE. Date and marry somebody who's the same age, same league as you. Don't complain online that you got tricked by a young Filipina lady and she just wanted your money. You brought it upon yourself.
AmFilAm@ this man who she marry wasnt even the one who pay her way to come to the bahamas the guy who did wasnt ready to marry her so she leave him and put her dirty claws in a old man who she think will fall to marry her, i sure you know when some women set out to do evil nothing stop them so shut up am send all who come and trying to break up families home where they belong no more work permit will be issues as am writing i done send out petition for it.you could talk all you people want am standing up for my country, i really don't care what you people from the Philippines think
hi everyone.....i m a filipina also ......i have a German boyfriend.......i agree that some filipina seems to be dangerous------------and tht caused truoble to me...my bf has having a little doubt of marrying me..though i know to myself that i was honest to him....never did i ask even single peso from him...in fact i never left him during his darkest days in Palawan.....he got accident there and almost one month in hospital...i left my work in manila just to stay with him in hospital,,,i truly love him....but he has a doubt because of his experiences in his ex pinay gfs.......
ladies just cut the shit, you people already do the damage so it left for us to kick you all back where you all come from don't come on here trying to explain who not or do, i really don't care, you people already do damages so please go fix your country and people we don't want to hear you all any more leave, please
@tally - I really like your direct and no-nonsense approach. This is the best and most effective way to deal with people who choose denial as an excuse and an escape from reality, dump their crap loads of gunk on others irresponsibly and still dare to speak here arrogantly - what the vast majority of filipino people are doing. We need more like you - just cut to the chase, say it like it is, no sugar-coating and understatements.
@TanfromAustralia - I will respond to your last post addressed to me in greater detail to share more thoughts. Busy day today.
@AmFilAm - "It's applicable to all young women all over the world. They would only marry you because of your money." This statement of yours in utter nonsense. Only you filipinas have a world reputation for taking advantage of older men in this way because your mothers and grandmothers taught raised you this way. If you deny this you are lying to our faces, something we expect from most of you anyway. Let me quote another filipina who posted this on another board:
"It was very embarrassing to have to explain that in our culture, young girls are raised to look for men who are "matandang mayamang madaling mamatay," which directly translated means "old, rich and decrepit."
there are 10,000 websites with women from the Philippines advertising themselves, you coming here talking crap don't fix the problem, and if you notices all of them who talking have boyfriend from other countries what wrong with your own country men,all is gold diggers because that how their mom training to be mistress but am telling all who in the Bahamas now try that shit again, i have ear and eyes every where now,trying to rob those poor children out their rights, honest they travel 15331.76km with one intention to take them women husband while been their maids no i will educate every woman in this country ,I am making up flyer s from this same site and send itout.
women of the Philippines nothing wrong with hard work and be content with what you have and not envy others for their husband and wealth, you don't know where or how hard they work so they could hire you to feed your kids so why you gone the extra miles to seduce the man of the house in you all heart you think is right and just? and for those others who working in the medical area in the hospital here do you all think it right to try seduce every doctors or health workers once they name male.wow people you all is real sad.
am not in the office today so i have time to kick you all ass, am working hard on stopping the mess am sending this site also to some of the people in the USA news station. this must stop, too many people lost their sons, uncles husband to these heartless people.
@tally - Be very careful for your own safety and security as you take on this very courageous task to protect your society and those of others against filipina immorality. For yourself, your family and your business, protect the secrecy of your personal identity and location at all times. There are human traffickers of pinay whores in the Bahamas. Human traffickers are as dangerous as drug traffickers. There are filipino men who can be as violent as filipino women can be immoral and slutty.
After so many years of self-abuse and destruction, PH has become a very vulnerable country. Criminals take advantage of the weak. Therefore anything to do with PH can be more dangerous than we realize. So we must always tread carefully as we go about our work for this cause.
don't worry i got that side cover
i know all about what going on so i make sure that side of it cover.am not afraid of them
the people who was going it get taught and the police close the border.
what used to happen is this the boat from the Philippines used to travel to Cuba then they would take them to a island and drop them off but they get caught and jail and all the people been sent back from there on we don't have them, the Bahamas government aint playing game with that.
@tally - Good to know that. Just wanted to ensure everybody's safety. I also read about PH prostitutes being trafficked to Cuba, when Cuba already is quite famous for that type of thing with foreign tourists. It would be a little crowded, wouldn't it.
all of them in jail,over in Cuba that one country you don't go and play tricks.objectivelyspeaking@ thanks for looking out for me.
please read wow man and then they come one here talking crap http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18559_162-4762654.html
weLL amricans filipnos are all the same just like animals, filipnos are bad the do alot of sins, and try to show to the world that there are sweet for love but there are just want ur money
@tally
Thanks for the link. Conspiracy to kill.
Quite the story.
Evil... Arrogant... TRAMP...
whatever goes around, eventually comes around..
Karma.... Love it !!
the list goes on warning all people from the western world don't hire them don't marry them leave them in their country.
I am the product of a marriage between a white American and a Filipina. I am very familiar with these gold diggers who prey on American men on the internet for the green card. I've even seen some Filipina wives turn into bitches once they make it to America. Not all marriages of this sort are like that; my parents had a wonderful marriage up until my father's death.
Gentlemen, if you want to marry a Filipina from the Philippines, here's a right way to go about it. Look for one who is in the process of getting her own green card. My mother already either had hers or was a citizen by the time she met my Dad. Mom is an independent woman, always has been. She didn't rely on Dad for a green card.
I will tell you one thing about Filipino culture that can be infuriating. The women who make it to America are expected to send money home to the family there. So, gentlemen, brace yourself.
Half Flip@ YOU IS ONE IN A MILLION,the thing is i don't hate people i just hate the things they do and this why i vow to stop it before it spread in my country
if they want everything from the man, what will he give his family,he have mother and dad too so selfish people.
WATCH OUT -Don't ever get in touch with LIAM NIEW, email: bluefish2882@yahoo.com. Check him out on google: Liam Niew, bluefish2882@yahoo.com or Richelle penada lopez. You will see that he is a very terrible person. He once fell in love with a pinoy, who were not interested and now he has sent hate and threat mails to her and everybody she know in Denmark and Philippines, as well as posting lies about her. BE CAREFUL TO CONTACT HIM – he is a very hateful person. If you want more information’s contact: daneshateliamniew@yahoo.com
Filipinos like to give the impression that their country is poor, and of third world status. This makes it easier for them to gain the sympathy of soft hearted foreigners and scam them of money.
There are almost 200 countries in the world, yet three of the world's largest and modern malls in the world are in Manila. Besides those three giant malls, there are a few other huge malls in Manila. The 11th largest mall in the world is in Cebu.
Filipinos may try to deflect that fact and say the malls cater to the tourists. But that is untrue; the majority of visitors to the malls are Filipinos by a large margin.
Thailand has about 24 million tourists per year; Malaysia has 19 million visitors, and even small Singapore attracts 13 million visitors a year. Philippines had about 4 million visitors last year, yet it has three of the largest malls in the world.
Often times a Filipina will lie to a foreigner that they need money for a sick or dying relative, or that the family has no food, but in reality they just want money for shopping.
It can also be that the Filipinas scam foreigners to support their boyfriends. It's not an unusual occurrence there. In fact, about a quarter of Filipina girls who work in clubs, do it to support their boyfriends.
If you have a condo in the Philippines, and let your Filipina girlfriend live in there, don't be surprised that when you leave the Philippines, your girlfriend will invite her Filipino boyfriend to move in. Worse if you have bought a house and lot under her name; there have been numerous cases of the Filipina selling the property and then do a disappearing act on you.
One other thing; don't be surprised if the brother she introduces you to, is actually her husband or boyfriend. It's not an unusual occurrence there. To them, you're just a foreigner to be used. So be very careful. Don't waste your hard earned money
what the mall have to do with what going on they are killing men so their family can have what the dead man left , most of them women have 6 and 10 children and they turn a round and send them to countries like mind to destroy families
It is all related @tally. There are a lot of families (and by the looks of it in increasing numbers in recent years) breeding these PH Jezebels by the half and full dozens to scam men all over the world especially American men, then take their money and assets after using, discarding sometimes killing them. They then send that money back to their families in the Philippines to shop in malls as mentioned by @yosemite.
Wow! The lengths some people go to in order to buy luxury items.
well im pure filipina, all i can say that americans or other foriegn men who married a filipina and got thier life sucks im sorry about that, but i have my american fiance now and we are doing great.i'm not more on money even i came from a poor family but i am descent, i'm still young i can work and i'm not paralyzed and parents teach us to be fair for everybody,so, fiance want me to come to states even though i don't like but because we do love each other and i do love him a lot no matter and wherever we go i'm gonna stick with him. remember foreign
men that find folk filipina ladies, well i agree that not just filipina are bad even other culture too don't be too horny with filipina if your love is true you will wait till the time comes, whoever the girls came from or different culture treat us well, cz specially filipinas do well taking care of their man...i told my fiance just don't bullshit me cz everything will gone...love your filipina wife or gf then im sure we will do the same way...
god bless
well im pure filipina, all i can say that americans or other foriegn men who married a filipina and got thier life sucks im sorry about that, but i have my american fiance now and we are doing great.i'm not more on money even i came from a poor family but i am descent, i'm still young i can work and i'm not paralyzed and parents teach us to be fair for everybody,so, fiance want me to come to states even though i don't like but because we do love each other and i do love him a lot no matter and wherever we go i'm gonna stick with him. remember foreign
men that find folk filipina ladies, well i agree that not just filipina are bad even other culture too don't be too horny with filipina if your love is true you will wait till the time comes, whoever the girls came from or different culture treat us well, cz specially filipinas do well taking care of their man...i told my fiance just don't bullshit me cz everything will gone...love your filipina wife or gf then im sure we will do the same way...
god bless
@TanfromAustralia – Re your post addressed to me 3 days ago, more than a few will agree that PH has been if anything coddled by the US in a very big way, for a very long time; helped by neighbouring countries and Christian groups through humanitarian causes; “generously supported” by scammed foreign bfs, fiancés and husbands.
I have been doing a fair bit reading on PH socio-economic affairs and political history since I started posting here, paying special attention to posts by educated PH nationals themselves and long-time foreign expats living in PH. I came away with this overall impression – PH has way more personal freedom and access to international media than communist China; not much of the the bloodshed inflicted upon countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, and Korea; is among the most richly endowed in terms of natural resources. And what have they got to show for again? I am sorry.
While I agree that oligarchy is a great evil, the personal evils PH people do to one another among themselves is even greater. Other than the communist regime, the Chinese also suffered through the oppressive rule of many infamous emperors, the Opium War, the Rape of Nanking, not to mention the disdain of certain western societies for many decades. All the other Asian countries started off dirt poor in history. If they were to wait for their governments to provide well-paid jobs, they will still be dirt poor today. They don’t waste anybody’s time throwing “ oh we are such a down trodden people” pity-parties. One by one, they all built life, wealth and society through private enterprise.
Developed countries like the US and Canada have minimum wages. I can tell everyone for a fact that the non-English-speaking Chinese immigrants here do not have the benefit of that. Those sorting vegetables in ethnic grocery stores, waiting on tables and washing dishes in the ethnic restaurants have been and still are working at half the legal minimum wage, with no medical insurance or employment benefits to speak of. I don’t have first-hand knowledge of the livelihood of other Asian immigrants, but I don’t expect their hardships to be far different than that of the Chinese. They are already in western society, no need to scam a man for an air ticket and fiancée visa to get here. Yet, none of these Asians pimp their daughters to the white men here, or are there any stories of them breaking up marriages of local families, like the rampant reports about filipinas from the Mid-East to The Bahamas to Canada. What's with that!?
Rather than state my own opinions, let’s look at the observations posted by long-time foreign expats in PH to get an idea of why PH is “poor”:
“I’m american and had to work 2 jobs just to put myself through college. Then you have these people with 8 children who think everything should be given to them on a gold platter because they’re “poor”. Well, I got a few words for you… go fuck yourself.. At least that won’t produce anymore babies.”
“The philippines is one of the most resource rich countries per area than any other country i’ve seen before in my life. If these people can’t make it with what they’ve got and their own smarts then darwin would suggest that they don’t have what it takes. The sari-sari stores and restraunts are a good example. Everyone just copies everyone else. Every house has a sari-sari store, none of them make much if any money. Maybe 20 pesos a day. The restraunts on the street are the same, they all sell the same stuff. There’s no ingenuity, or creativity to be found.”
“San miguel laughs all the way to the bank as a whole family sits at the corner store drinking away the 40 pesos they were able to make for the day. You have a brain, use it!”
“Hmmm… What is it that is in common to the half korean, japanese, american and “whatever” children? Why, it’s the Filipina mothers! It takes two to make a baby.”
“As a retired member of the US Air Force, I was always infuriated at the accusation that the Americans were to blame for the prostitution in Pampanga. We have been gone since 1991, yet Angeles City’s sex tourism industry is thriving at a high! There are more bars there now than when the US Air Force was there. Worse, there are many more obvious and open all-Pilipino bars and kareoke joints lining the national highway… complete with bargirls dancing in the streets and alleys to attract PINOY customers.”
“The rate of single Filipina mothers who were abandoned by Pinoy fathers is also at an astonishing all-time high, as is rape and incest at the hands of Filipino men.”
“Filipina sex chat, webcam, pornography, and especially romance scams are notorious worldwide, and at epidemic proportions. Clean up your own backyard instead of blaming the rest of the world. The Filipino people are not victims. Much of the world is worse off than the Philippines, yet these problems are not as severe, especially in other ASIAN countries.
“Wake up. The charm of the Philippines is fading fast, and the world view of Filipinos is continuing to decline.”
“The huge number of filipino guys that abandon their responsibilities after getting a girl pregnant. I think there are far more abandon babies fathered by filipinos than by foreigners.”
“The problem lies in the social structure of the Philippines”.
I will add to the last post another by an American whose scam marriage to a filipina ended as expected. He said he should have known when he felt a little sickened seeing at his rather expensive village wedding, how little heart the family of his filipina bride had for the poor hungry street kids drooling at their party food, not sparing a scrap.
Other than the 2 good filipinas here who posted about their humanitarian work, the other so-called educated filipinas have come across conceited and flaunting their higher social status as if the crisis situation of the poor they left behind is none of their concern. That in itself is very telling of how PH society is such a failure. But hey, unlike these filipinas of "higher social status", we care enough about the common good of our country and society to be posting here because PH’s poor are clawing their way out threatening to destroy our societies and families with vicious and unthinkable evil.
@objectivelyspeaking:
You know something...?
For years I wondered about the discrepancy between the true reason for the state of the Philippines and the values and outlooks of its own people.
Although the Philippines has had its share of problems politically, I could not find a direct correlation between that and their desperation and aggression as a group of people.
I can understand that extreme circumstances may force people to resort to extreme measures.
However, in the case of the Philippines and its people, I have managed to finally conclude that the root cause of their problems pertain to their ingrained cultural values and disposition.
It appears that the underlying motivation for their behaviour stems from an aggressive desire to achieve a better material existence with the least amount of personal effort as possible. They have worked out that the best means of achieving this is through a cultural accepted form of actual and cultural pimping and prostitution.
One would tend to feel sympathy for people whom are unfortunate through circumstances and factors totally beyond their control and power.
However, in the case of the filipino people, it has become a culturally acceptable way to exist.
Hey,Just drop by to give insights...
True. some people will use you..if you allow them to.
True. Some filipinas wanted to marry a forenzer to get outta hell of their lives they are facing.
what are you expecting to a hungry stomach? you want somebody to feed them,of course.
True enough but do not generalized. It would be a shame on your part that some white or whatever races you come from that u claimed your country haven't that bad people.
Why we kept complaining if we have a big heart.
wouldn't it be nice if we help those unfortunate people
to send our 1 dollar?
you complained cuz you are still living in the morbid of your past and haven't forgiven those people that made you a bitter person.
Man, move on and heal your heart and mind.
I was there and done that..
I had an ex sergeant U.S army. He came and met my family and proposed me. I was surprised.. I just told him
I can wait even a couple of months before getting married.
I didn't rejected him. He approached my words in a different way, We started arguing. I was crying.
AS he discover my weakness. He stood and told me we're done! I told him no.
He still insisting..what im waiting for? I left him and walked away back to my work.
I sense he was very sensitive. He loves me so much that he was started to freaking out to think I was not interested about him.
To make a story short.. he told me he will find me..
I replied his email.. NO,baby. the space you wanted is granted...
Not just a single space but multiple space...
he emailed our wedding planner to convinced me..
but sorry what he did is not acceptable...
Now, he kept jumping to any whore in Philippines..
still can't find his soulmate? lol
Im happy. My bf is such a good man. A pastor.
Thank God for healing my wounds and easing those pains..
Now, are you fortunate enough to find a good lover?
Start giving and forgiving...
Hey,Just drop by to give insights...
True. some people will use you..if you allow them to.
True. Some filipinas wanted to marry a forenzer to get outta hell of their lives they are facing.
what are you expecting to a hungry stomach? you want somebody to feed them,of course.
True enough but do not generalized. It would be a shame on your part that some white or whatever races you come from that u claimed your country haven't that bad people.
Why we kept complaining if we have a big heart.
wouldn't it be nice if we help those unfortunate people
to send our 1 dollar?
you complained cuz you are still living in the morbid of your past and haven't forgiven those people that made you a bitter person.
Man, move on and heal your heart and mind.
I was there and done that..
I had an ex sergeant U.S army. He came and met my family and proposed me. I was surprised.. I just told him
I can wait even a couple of months before getting married.
I didn't rejected him. He approached my words in a different way, We started arguing. I was crying.
AS he discover my weakness. He stood and told me we're done! I told him no.
He still insisting..what im waiting for? I left him and walked away back to my work.
I sense he was very sensitive. He loves me so much that he was started to freaking out to think I was not interested about him.
To make a story short.. he told me he will find me..
I replied his email.. NO,baby. the space you wanted is granted...
Not just a single space but multiple space...
he emailed our wedding planner to convinced me..
but sorry what he did is not acceptable...
Now, he kept jumping to any whore in Philippines..
still can't find his soulmate? lol
Im happy. My bf is such a good man. A pastor.
Thank God for healing my wounds and easing those pains..
Now, are you fortunate enough to find a good lover?
Start giving and forgiving...
singkith@ i really dont understand you people, we are not talking about other culture, am taking about your people who find their way in my country to break up families, we dont mind them coming to work and be honest, but then they start scam and lies to get what they want them there a big problem not only for us. and this why i set out to change everything before it get out of hands.
Marie@ for god sake stop,the story is more then just that,you people lie so much, we don't care, all we saying too many men die for selfish reason from the hands of you people in the name of money,am just sick to know that you women so wicked, and don't come here and tell me oh am not like that. a lot of people here may not know how many men get rob and kill over there because a you all women , invite those men then turn around and set them up to be kill what is so good about you all just stop i don't want to hear you all stories it don't heal the families who left without a son , brother.
SA isang malubhang tandaan wala dumating sa dito sinusubukan upang tumingin mabuti sa pamamagitan ng pagsasabi sa amin kuwento, ang lahat ng mga kababaihan mula sa bansang iyon ay linta, mayroong higit sa 5000 mga tao na ay pagnakawan at patayin becuse ka ng mga tao ay mag-imbita sa kanila-set up ang mga ito at na ang dulo ng mga ito kaya talagang i Don
FLIP's discussion again? FLIP is all hopeless. All they like to do is keep blaming to their government, situation, and bla...bla...bla. Pinay, Pinoy...don't keep blaming your goverment, you just as shit as they are. Before you pinay or pinoy or FLIP blame again, ask yourself this question...Bilang mamamayan ng bansang ito, ano nga ba ang aking naiambag upang mapaunlad ito at isa ba akong mabuting mamamayan? The meaning would be "As citizens of this country, what is my contribution to improve it and am I a good citizen?"
And seems all Pinay and Pinoy like to say" Proud to be a filipina". Let me ask to those of you who like to say those words. Which one do you PROUD with? The poverty, the hunger, the prostitution, the gold digging, the ignorance. Which one? Or maybe you pinay and pinoy proud that your country is well known as
a. sex and sleazy country
b. beggar of asia
c. kidnapping of asia
For those of you who has been tricked by FLIP. My sympathy for you. Scamming, gold digging, green card hunter is in their blood. Maybe they get it from their ancestor.
For those of you who has not been tricked by FLIP. Stay away from them. Think 100 times before hiring them as your...employee, maid, caregiver, etc. Think again before you have a emotional relationship with them as girlfriend, boyfriend, or worse...marrying them. FLIP is a notorius back stabber. Becareful.
when they all group up and talking about what they did to men they are thinking no Bahamian speak their language lie i do, i hear them so many times but am here to tell all you women who from the Philippines get your ass out my country that the only place i can call home so if i allow you all to come and turn it into a scam and hoes running all over the street what will the young people do get out and go back home, go finish mess up your place .
@Evan:
It is one thing for FLIPS to say they are proud of their country, yet they are obsessed with emigrating out of it and are obsessed with marrying foreigners in order to breed out their own kind.
"Proud" my arse.
Very good point @TanfromAustralia. From what we have seen on this board alone, these people don't know and don't care what they are talking about. Perfect wives my foot. More later.
@objectivelyspeaking:
The filipina 'perfect wife' concept is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon Western men.
we are proud to be filipino because that's where we are inside and out. A filipino might be an american citizen now or canadian or australian but will never deny our heritage. How about you Tan? How about you objectivelyspeaking?
Filipina "perfect wife". this concept has been made to market filipinos. And do you know who you usually owns these dating sites? Not filipinos that's for sure.
You can continue bashing the country and the Filipinos all you want. At the end of the day hopefully you can feel the fulfillment inside you because as you all say the intentions are good. To create a better world for the youth. Goodluck to all of you. carpe diem!
@Virtuous:
You're full of shit. If the filipino people are so proud of themselves, they wouldn't be obsessed with marrying foreigners.
If they are so proud of their country, they wouldn't be obsessed with scamming Westerners into marriage so that they can get a visa out.
Filipino men are like men without a backbone or a penis. If filipino men are that great, filipinas wouldn't be obsessed with Western men. It's not like filipino men can actually support their own women. They pimp their own women out to foreign men as a means of obtaining financial support because they are too lazy to work for a living and support themselves.
Some "pride", huh?
If you are that "proud" of your own people and your own country, you should learn to achieve things on your own and stop riding on foreigners' backs to survive. But I guess it must be very challenging to break out of the cultural tradition of pimping and prostitution.
I did and i am. You are barking at the wrong tree.
My words, my actions and whole being is not full of shit. I will never try to defend all the scammers or prostitutes that u were saying coz there's nothing to defend in the first place.
Saying i am proud and i am filipino doesn't mean iam proud of the scammers and the prostitutes. Why would i be ashamed of my whole being if i am living a good and clean life as much as I can? Because i am filipino? How can you make someone accountable for what other people or fililipinos do? As i said, you all can continue this thread, do the right thing, do what is best for your country and for your loved ones.
I just answered why one must be proud where he/she came from and as a person who knows about business dev't., the concept of filipina as perfect wives is just a marketing strategy and yes it's a Total BS and that goes for chinese as perfect wives, vietnamese as perfect wives, american as perfect wives, russian, thai, and so on....you get my point?
Woah, holy shit! I feel like a lot of people are speaking emotionally here - from personal experience, I am sorry to hear. I really hope that your experiences with a prideful, manipulative pinay doesn't color your image of all pinays either from the Philippines or elsewhere. A huge problem this forum faces is the stigma of racism. I COMPLETELY AGREE that empirically stating that all Filipinas are "whores" or are "gold diggers" is a racist statement. That's like saying "all white people have no culture, can't dance, or are likely republicans." These generalizations are absurdly inaccurate so as to include all white people. However, in fact some white people truly CAN'T dance! Many ARE, indeed, republican! So there's my truce: yeah, some Filipinas are gold digging, uneducated whores. BUT REALLY: what country doesn't have its gold digging whores?? Before we move on, let's give credit where credit is due: some Filipinas are also patient, loving, and beautiful women. Many are faithful, trustworthy, and financially sound -- the total opposite of what this bullshit essay/appeal claimed.
Asia seems to have been covered on this forum, so, instead, let's look at America: America has a wide demographic from the rich and powerful 1%, to a HUGE middle class (currently dividing..), to a large lower class. America, let's face it! We have gold digging, uneducated whores, too, looking to climb the social ladder by marrying doctors, athletes, or someone that can support them. Some women marry as a business, collecting rich, powerful men, and then leaving them for pool boy eye candy. This is where I don't understand the audience's and commentators' lack of understanding for the Philippines. Don't you all realize that all women (and men!) can be whores as a tool? People can use their looks and personality to manipulate [you]?
Do you remember that last girl that used you to buy her a drink at the club? Or what about your guy friends who use their charm and sensibility to benefit from your money/power? Granted their initial intention wasn't to screw you over, but do you TRULY think the gold digging Pinay's intention is to make you suffer? Wouldn't you think, instead, that the whore-ish pinay is looking for a man that can support her, provide, protect, and serve her -- in return for her version of service? Do you think that she's feigning love, or rather, is she actually in love with the idea that you can save her?
The Philippines is a tough country to succeed in. Sure, it's poverty-ridden and there's a bunch of shady prostitution and crime. But what about the beautiful metropolitan side? The rich "conyos"? The regal haciendas in Manila's finest, most prestigious neighborhoods? Is that more of your flavor, instead? Let's contrast that with America. Downtown LA has all kinds of crime going on (at a greater degree than in the Philippines!) Prostitution is alive and well (at least in Nevada.) Women and men from ALL OVER the US marry for money. Ever heard of "marrying into money" or "marry rich"? That shit is rampant all over the world.
Anyway, I'm losing steam. My point is that whores are whores either by choice or by force regardless of ancestry, geographical placement, or last name. How about we respect women and hold higher standards for ourselves? If men really want an "ideal wife," whose fault is it that they find out that their wives have whore-like personalities after getting invested, attached, and married? Obviously the woman is at fault for being so scandalous and secretive, but CAN WE NOT blame the white (or any ethnicity) man for NOT getting to know the woman he chose to marry? Take responsibility of your failed marriages, folks. Learn to define love so you can find it (and not falling in love because the whore was good at sex.)
And honestly, learn to forgive.
And no-fucking-DUH. NO WHORE is going to go online to J-DATE or OKCUPID or whatever and say "HEY WHITE DUDES: I'M A WHORE LOOKING FOR A GREEN CARD," because you'll NEVER say "HEY I'VE A SMALL DICK/AM UNATTRACTIVE/HAVE IDENTITY ISSUES/AM INSECURE LOOKING FOR AN EX(/R)OTIC HOOK-UP TO MAKE ME FEEL SEXY." It's up to you to filter out the trash. It's up to you to select trash. It's up to you to accidentally marry.
@Virtuous:
Yes, you are right. I owe you an apology for generalising you with the majority of the filipino people.
@BreezyUSA:
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
You also have not read this entire thread thoroughly if you conclude that the sentiments expressed here are "racist".
Don't attempt to whitewash the problem with the Philippines and its people by resorting to the "there are whores in other countries, too" argument.
That argument has been put forward numerous times already in this thread and it still sounds as irrelevant each time.
@BreezyUSA, you guilty of some of the act, there nothing a woman from the Philippines can say to me, because over the pass years,i have seem so many unhealthy things your people been doing, so many men gone missing, who aint gone missing end up homeless because they marry for love you people marry so you all can take everything and brag about it so shut the hell up, none of those men is my family but i feel what their family going through.STOP TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HATE YOU ALL NO WE JUST HATE THE THINGS YOU ALL DOING IN THE NAME OF MATERIAL GAIN.
What was your point with this "How about you objectivelyspeaking?" @Virtuous? Try telling the world that women from ALL Asian countries go around targeting white men for romance scamming and marriage fraud, INCLUDING MEN WHO ARE MARRIED WITH CHILDREN - something filipinas are famous enough for wherever they go, that a thread (this one) was started for them.
Women from other Asian countries have been in western societies in very large numbers for almost a century. Try telling us they have ever been famous for what this thread is discussing here about filipinas.
Reputation is rarely formed in isolation. Reputation is defined as " a: overall quality or character as seen or judged by people in general b : recognition by other people of some characteristic or ability". "Judged by people in general" equal "Generalization". What is the reputation of filipinas today? This bad reputation can be changed, but not by us foreigners, nor is it our job to do. We are also aware that there are some very good people in the Philippines working hard to make this change. Perhaps you can join them?
hi! sorry but i totally disagree with you,
im a pilipina and i have a canadian boyfriend and i love him with all my heart.
so me myself can stand and prove that your wrong.
@TanfromAustralia I know exactly what I'm talking about. My dad cheated on my mom for some money grubbing whore in the Philippines, two years younger than me! He wanted to marry for "love". I am sympathetic toward his intentions but I am disappointed and unmoved by his stupidity. He always taught me to date selectively, but it seems that it's just easier to dish out advice than to take it yourself. And you're right: I didn't read the whole thread. I apologize for the two steps back -- but thank you for reading and taking the time to respond despite how "irrelevant" it was. I also very sorry for whatever you've gone through, and I hope that you're okay.
@Tally Please don't call them "[my] people." I identify as a Filipina-American, but I'm not responsible for something I have no power over. That's like blaming any random white person for America's obesity. I am sorry you've witnessed so much "unhealthiness" in the Philippines and I hope you've truly forgiven yourself and have learned from the past. I am happy to hear that you're empathizing with other peoples' hardships involving The Manipulative Filipina.
I guess something you're both able to stomach would sound like: "Yes, you're right. You got screwed over and that really sucks. I'm very sorry for you and everyone who has gone through this." I truly am sorry, but you can't disagree that maybe it was your fault too(?)
@BreezyUSA:
You still sound "irrelevant" and now nonsensical as well.
You have not read this entire thread, so you are way off on your assumptions.
@tanfromaustralia In an attempt to be relevant, I tried to read the ENTIRE 24 month thread. Ultimately, I withdraw my argument. I refuse to clutter my mind with cattiness and shameless racism. I know it when I see it. Fuck reading comments like
"You are such a coward to hide behind a mask, but I guess that is a filipino quality, right?
If you are such a man, engage in intelligent debate in your own name, but maybe you have nothing intelligent to say.
I am not going anywhere, so if you are hoping to drive me away, don't hold your breath."
and
"Filipinas don't prostitute themselves to their own filipino men, only to Western men. This is because filipino men are mostly a pathetic, pitiful, spineless, dickless losers whom don't have any money to pay their own women."
and lastly
"Perhaps you should get another hobby to fill up your time?"
This isn't an argument, this is a pissing contest. I am off this thread. I suggest you get off too if all you've left is your racism, online bully.
@BreezyUSA:
What is so "racist" about my comments about filipino men? My comments have absolutely NOTHING to do with me disliking people merely because they are from a nationality. I am also of Asian descent myself, so it is absolutely stupid to suggest that I am "racist" towards fellow Asian people.
My comments and frustration stems from the widespread cultural practices, beliefs and lifestyles of the general filipino people. As objectivelyspeaking has said, reputation is rarely formed in isolation.
I keep hearing comments from filipino posters like, "I'm proud to be a filipino", but what the f*ck does that mean? Does that mean being proud of everything about filipino culture or just selective things?
My comments about the majority of filipino men accords with the reality of filipino culture.
Filipino men are more responsible than their women for the shithole state that the Philippines is in.
Filipino men are amongst the LAZIEST, spineless, penisless group of men I have ever come across. They are like spoilt children who never seem to be able to grow up and take personal responsibility, nor can they accept that they should work to ensure their own livelihood and survival.
That they cannot even look after themselves would mean that there is even way less prospect for them to be able to do anything for their own filipino women. What can men whom are spineless and d!ckless do? Absolutely nothing!
The most popular occupation for men in the Phillppines is that of a pimp, it would seem. This job requires little or no effort or exertion on their own part. they pimp out their own mothers, wives/girlfriends and daughters to foreign men in order to financially survive. The notion of actually working to earn money in the normal way is actually alien to most of them.
I don't think filipinas would openly admit how useless their own men are, but all you have to do is look at how filipinas rely so much on foreign men for migration and financial support. Their actions speak a lot louder than their (false) words.
Again, I ask you: what can a group of spineless and d!ckless men do for their own country and their own women? This is not a rhetorical question...!
Why do posters who claim to have read the entire thread keep implying that @TanfromAustralia and @tally are victims of those lying scamming whoring filipinas? Is this a way of stealthy deflection...yet again? Clever but don't bother.
@TanfromAustralia and @tally are NOT victims but observant and discerning individuals who care enough about innocent people and society to speak up and do the right thing about it. There are others too, some have already posted here.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you for again providing the clarification that seems to have been lost on some posters here.
It must be hard for some people to accept that I have never been a victim and that I am not bitter.
Me stating the truth as it is has nothing to do with my personal situation.
What you write about the Filipino women are completely tre. they have no morals or ethics. that is what their culture is all about. i am not just saying this. i have gone thru this experience myself and see this every day in uae where i live. they will sleep around with anyone for money. does not matter to them if the guys they are going after is married or not. all they wnat is money. they will get prenant just to make sure that the guy does not leave them until they want to look for someone else. they marry and divorce like its some game they are playing. the clothes they were and the way they behave they would be called prostitutes in any country and that is what they are. prostituties.
I stood up from my balcony the other day watching this mother from the Philippines trying to sell her daughter right here in the Bahamas, i watch all the process gone down and i call the police because prostituting in the Bahamas is not legal but by the time the police came they gone, i caught it on my cam and show it to them,even in the hospital here talking to most of the people they saying them nurses that work here on contract they doing the same thing,why it is you people coming here telling me oh we are not this or that the proof is there people stop denying the facts and clean u all mess trust me NO MORE A U ALL IN MY COUNTRY AM MAKING SURE NO JOKE ABOUT IT , WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH AND YOU PEOPLE BRING YOUR MESS FOR US TO DEAL WITH I SAY HELL NO.
@MariaP74 and tally:
What you both say supports my theory about how rife prostitution is in the Philippines. It is such a large part of their culture that they carry it within them and take it to everywhere they go...to the detriment of the world.
the fake smiles to deceive people,i know it from i see it, they cant fool me they may fool many but sure not me because them they come to me smiling and playing the pity party i tell them cut the bullshit.
@MariaP74,i already getting the word out, not to hire them or allow them in the country, i went to see the minister of immigration yesterday about it, i cant just sit back and allow them to destroy my little paradise i call home.
WHAT I CAN FOR THIS LONG LIST OF COMMENTS:
TO ALL FOREIGNERS WHETHER YOU ARE EUROPEAN OR AMERICAN;
DON'T BLAME AND PUT THE SHAME ON TO A FILIPINA.. WHEN YOU GOT A WRONG FILIPINA OF YOUR CHOICE. JUST BLAME YOURSELF, FOR YOU HAVE NOT BEEN INTELLECTUAL TO CHOOSE. THERE IS NO PERFECT FILIPINO NEITHER AMERICAN MAN OR EUROPEAN MAN. AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN HAVE IMPERFECTIONS WORSE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IN A FILIPINA.. IF YOU SHOW GOOD TO A FILIPINA I BELIEVE THAT THEY REPAY YOU GOOD AS WELL, (MOST ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE DECENT, EDUCATED AND WITH RESPECT TO ONESELF) SO, STOP WHINING, COMPLAINING AND SAYING BAD ABOUT FILIPINA. THIS IS NOT FAIR.. ;-)
"EDUCATED"?? Thanks for one 'fine' example of filipina self-misrepresentation.
Good of you @tally in bringing this all the way up through the official channels. Hopefully The Bahamas will set a precedence for other countries affected by the same malaise to follow. This lethal filipina contamination of society (which started with their own) is getting more ridiculous internationally by the day. I hope the future leaders of PH can somehow arrest this situation and reverse this disgraceful trend.
We have to keep pushing this in order to preserve the integrity of our own societies. All societies have their own little flaws and imperfections. We certainly do not need this kind of crap overload brought by PH societal discards.
@EDUCATED FILIPINA: My ex treated his flip chic rather well (sent her from $30,000 to 50,000 over 7 months and she built herself a "mansion" as her FB friends call it). She and he have said on facebook that they are engaged for 2 years now-----but then it came out that there was to be no fiance visa for her since she was married---now he is paying for her annulment. I'd say she was treated pretty nice, but the rest of the story will be that he is ripped off of all his retirement savings. Yes, he is stupid, and she knows how to suck the money right out of him. So why isn't she treating him very nice? Who would get engaged and wear a honking diamond to show off to her friends all the time while she is MARRIED To someone else??????? I know---the ex is totally stupid and she is totally innocent????!!!!! Not so---they are both stupid. If she was looking for a sucker with money, she found him.
@Maria74: CAn you tell us about annulment in Philippines. Why is it so costly? Is it hard to obtain? What do you have to prove to get annulment? Do you have to prove the person is mentally insane? How do you prove that---what evidence is needed? Is it easy to prove that the marriage should end? Are annulments ever denied to a couple? Is it true that because of the cost, they just leave a spouse and go live with another person----like serial relationships without ever ending one legally.
@objectivelyspeaking and @TanfromAustralia:
I think that objectively speaking said that PH women are "Jezebels"----I believe that means the woman is dominating over the man and demeans the man so he is little, helpless, (as TanfromAustralia said). Do you think the men are wimpy in general because of being overpowered by women? Are filipinas mostly submissive to men or are they dominating? OR do they play submissive until the "I do's" and then do they wear the pants in the relationship? Thanks for some insight.
@Educated Filipina:
To say that fillipinas will be good to foreign men if these men are good to them is total and utter bullshit and you know it.
As I have said MANY times on this thread, most foreign men who hook up with filipinas all think they had found a filipina who is 'decent', 'educated' and has 'respect to oneself' as you state. Very, very few of these men set out to marry bargirls or prostitutes. These men end up with these women because of the gross misrepresentations these women have made about themselves in order to get that visa out of the Philippines.
If these men being 'good' to these filipinas is enough for them to stay with these men, then you would not see any close to the widespread destruction and havoc these women cause after they enter the West. These women are devoid of ethics, decency, are backstabbers and incredibly two-faced...as well as dangerous on a social and legal level.
If these men training themselvs financially and working 2 jobs to support their filipina leech wife and her family does not come to be construed as being 'good' to the filipinas, then I don't know what would.
And how do these filipinas 'repay' these men? We all know the rest of the story...don't we?
@Nancy:
There are no consistent qualities which you can use to pin down a filipina's true characteristics...other than that she is a cultural prostitute.
I have seen virtually every trick in the book these women pull over Western men during my 6 years working as an immigration lawyer. I keep referring back to my previous experience in order to put my comments in context and give validity to what I am saying so as to let people who read this thread know that I am not speaking in a vacuum.
Back to your question to me....
...the truth is that these women can mould themselves to be anyone and anything in order to appeal to foreign men because their primary goal is to procure emigration and financial betterment for themselves and their families.
Dependent on what they sense these men want or desire (and these women are extremely talented at sussing this out, trust me), these women can be the 'Catholic, demure virgin from Heaven' or the 'sexually aggressive whore'. Pretending to be something that you are not in order to procure an external, material benefit is a much more pervasive and thorough way to prostitute oneself when compared to selling one's body on the side of the street.
Contrary to popular myth, if a filipina does NOT ask a foreign man for money at the outset of their relationship does NOT mean that she is genuine. A lot of filipinas have deliberately perpetuated this myth in order to convince these men that they are 'different' by distinguishing themselves from the bad apples. Foreign men whom succumb to this myth end up being doomed.
Filipinas are clever enough to sense that they should NOT ask for money if it threatens their longer-term goal: migration. They reason that sacrificing money in the short-term is sensible because once they migrate, they could earn much more money. It is all part of a grand scheme.
The filipina bitch who is engaged to my best friend at the moment is pulling that very scam on him. They have been dating for a while and she senses that he is extremely tight-fisted with money, so any attempt to procure money from him on her part will result in the break-up of their relationship. She is planning this whole scam out more methodically than he can ever realise at the moment.
@Nancy - In the Biblical context, (queen) Jezebel came from an environment that practised sexual and licentious living as a way to tap into power and worldly gains (money). Christian writers regard her as the epitomy of wicked women as Judas was the betrayer of Christ. Jezebel was controlling over her husband King Ahab, killed Israelite prophets to implement the worship of Baal, pagan king of debauchery.
In modern times, 'Jezebel' is regarded as the reigning icon of womanly evil, killer and prostitute, symbol of female depravity. No one of sound mind would name their baby daughter 'Jezebel'.
From everything we have read of men’s bad experiences and objective observers from Australia to the Mid-East to The Bahamas, you can see why I juxtaposed the words ‘PH’ and ‘Jezebels’.
Further, from the many posts by men I have read, filipinas are 2-faced, often appearing submissive at first, the stuff men’s dreams are made of. Once married and in control, they are capable of “barking commands” to every body, being verbally and physically abusive to their men after ripping him off of all his assets. Some have even landed their men in jail or in a casket, if his body was ever found.
And how do they advertise themselves to American men? Better than American women as wives. If that isn’t the myth and deception of the century, I don’t know what is.
@TanfromAustralia – They know full well the crap they are dumping down our throats all this time. They just keep repeating themselves, feigning ignorance because they never have anything else or new to say. Hence the repeated false implication that you are posting thus because you are a victim therefore vengeful and bitter. Theirs is the case of an indefensible position.
@EDUCATED FILIPINA, cut your shit no Bahamian come to your country , they came in my country to work then turn around and try to be a sucker to the person who give them work permit , they turn a round and trying to seduce the women husband also those one who work in the hospital so show me a good woman from your country lies and pure lies, everything you people come on here talking about education please if you was taught to be a hoe it dont matter how much education one get they still going to be a hoe because that what their parent taught them as a child growing up.
Actually American women are being put down when PH women say they are better than American women. That is a lie. The guy just knows an American woman---- and what she will and won't put up with. And the guy often doesn't want to be in a relationship with a female who has expectations of him to be involved in that relationship. The guy does NOT know the PH chic---he just sees the outside shell and chooses her for her looks without looking at the character within (which is really the most important part to look at)!
@TanfromAustralia:
I think many posters feel strongly about this subject, and I do think several of us have righteous anger, meaning being angry over what is unjust or not right. That anger is how things are made right because people feel strongly that the wrongs must be made right and so they take action (like @ Tally is doing). I think TanfromAustralia has been accused of having bitterness but I think it is righteous anger.
Believe me, my kids and I have been harmed by a PH chic that has robbed us of a lot of money. Why should she get $1000's within months of meeting my ex. Why should she gain when she did NOTHING to earn and save that money. Why should my son have to struggle to pay for college because she gets all the money. That certainly makes me have a LOT of anger. There are other stories earlier in this thread of others who have anger over being ripped off, too. I so appreciate the PH women who post on here honestly and don't COVER for the bad behaviors of these wicked women.
@objectivelyspeaking: It blew me away that you referred to these women as Jezebel's but it is exactly what they are. I never had thought to make that connection. YOur explanations were good and helpful.
My last point: if I EVER started to get into an American man's wallet as these women do, I know nearly ALL guys would leave me in a heartbeat. So why do they put up with this behavior with PH women?!? This is a mystery to me.
@Nancy:
Before I started working as an immigration lawyer, I never held any preconceived notions about the filipino people. It is in my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt.
After working for years in that job and seeing the same scams pulled again by the same group of people, I wisened up to them.
I feel angry for the (usually male) victims they used and exploited. A lot of these men entered into these relationships with the best of intentions and gave more than they had. To see their lives destroyed at first made me heartbroken, but eventually it made me incredibly angry.
There is nothing about poverty that the filipino people can tell me about that I don't already know, since I grew up in a very poor family and had to work for everything I now have. Therefore, I am most unsympathetic to a group of people whom base their lives upon a cultural entitlement to scam and exploit other people because they are poor.
This is NOT about me judging the filipino people at all. What this is about is speaking the truth about them. Remember that the truth may be relative, but the truth is also neutral.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I most agree with your comment about how drastically these filipinas change after marriage and once they have obtained their visas. This accords with my own observations.
Once in control, these women feel comfortable in removing the mask that they have been wearing and reveal their true face. They only do this when they feel totally secure in their position AND when they realise that these men can no longer be exploited in any way.
My previous male clients have told me that the change is as drastic as Jeckyl/Hyde.
It takes quite a fragmented, sick and devious personality in order to contrive so well and be so convincingly two-faced.
@TanfromAustralia this why am turning the table on them, i need to bring the attention to doc drew so we can have this thing bust open for the world to hear it on TV.
@tally – How about bringing our case to Nancy Grace? She is a lawyer, more forceful in pressing issues regarding human indignation and injustice. As a woman, she will also understand better the sufferings of women and children in the lives of men scammed by evil filipinas. She can perhaps bring forward men who have been scammed and ripped off of their life savings and assets, relatives of men who died in their hands, victim impact statements of wives whose husbands have been caught by surprise pregnancies with filipinas, pushing them out of the marriage and family home. I am sure there are cases in The Bahamas you are aware of that I don't even know about.
@Nancy, what do you think of the Nancy Grace idea? You mentioned your lawyer has told you about their cases with filipina scammers too. Perhaps Nancy Grace can include American lawyers who have handled cases of such marriage scams on her panel for a deep and meaningful discussion, once and for all unravel this colossal scam against the world by those evil Jezebels of the Philippines and their families behind them.
That said, those filipinas are pure evil, period. They don’t discriminate whose husband they try to steal. They try to do the same to higher class filipinas in their own country too. Just that they are less successful on home turf because their own people know better how to keep them out and away. So they come out and prey on unsuspecting foreigners who have been too far removed to know their true and dirty secrets. Until now.
It is not just American women they put down. Around the start of this year, an educated Asian woman whose husband was posted to PH for a work stint posted here that the filipina maid blatantly told her husband that other women are boring and can’t compare with them (in the department of you know where), while trying to seduce her husband. If there be a rich Eskimo man they want to nail, they will put down Eskimo women too.
As for how they seem to get their dirty hands into foreign men’s pockets so easily, they are mostly selling sex (we have heard lots about webcams on this board alone) and pity. Pity pity pity. The percentage of chauvinistic men is really not that large, but chivalry is nowhere near dead. While American men perceive American women as being emancipated and having their own money, most men are sympathetic to these filipinas who hail from a “third world country” therefore oh so very poor so "please gimme some of your money, please please and pretty please". Someone posted here recently about "beggars of Asia". Here we must thank @yosemite for bringing us the truth about where this pity money is really going...some of the world’s largest malls in PH. What do they buy at the malls? Oh...erm...flashy slutty stuff to seduce more men and the vicious cycle continues spinning like a hamster’s wheel. And who are the hamsters?
The next reason would be that men feel good about helping a poor woman. It is a bit of an ego-booster. Scamming pinays know this too well, therefore play these men like well-oiled little greenback dispensing machines.
@TanfromAustralia - It has been said that by repeating the same question at different times, the answers will be inconsistent if they are untrue. This concept is based on most people (in our societies) not being capable of maintaining contrived dishonesty over an extended period of time. Most people find lying more difficult than telling the truth. Let alone tell it well enough for big-time scamming in a marriage where there is personal closeness on a daily basis. How do these pinays do that if not bred and ingrained for such?! Just look at the inane arguments they try to post here. Robotic regurgitation at best.
To me, the low-lives of PH possess a third dimension of deviousness beyond our understanding. This is why people get caught again and again. I agree fully with the posters who have said here, have nothing to do with them, don't hire them, date them or marry them. There are good people in PH yes. But to know the ones who truly are will take years of regular interaction between safe territories. This stance will completely rule out taking chances with internet dating or go-between agencies including employment and mutual contacts. If we are to truly protect our lives, families and worldly possessions, it has to come down to that with PH people. How sad.
@objectivelyspeaking:
After directly interacting with filpina scammers for 6 years, I have come to the conclusion that there is no sure way to tell a scammer from a genuine person in the context of spouse visa applications.
Yes, there are some scammers whom are inept at scamming and give themselves away very early on through the manifestation of requests for money and being caught redhanded in telling lies.
However, if someone was truly intent on hiding their true intention and motivation, then there is no way a man can tell. Hence, that is why so many *intelligent* men fall victims to these scammers. Being intelligent does not mean a person can read someone else's mind. Being psychic is beyond the capability of most of us. That is why I am so sick and tired of filipino posters here who say that men can use their intelligence to suss out whether they are being scammed or not. At the end of the day, these men have to take a risk or not...
And I concur with your advice that the best thing to do is to avoid PH people altogether: don't hire them, date them, marry them, don't be around them or let your spouse spend time with them. I know it sounds pretty extreme, but your analogy of the shark tank is applicable in this context...
I'm sorry to say but I beg to disagree, not all filipina are opportunist like what you are saying. I'm a filipina and I am married to my australian husband for 11 years now, and I would say that I love him so much to the moon and back and if possible I can give my life to him :)
@stardust:
Is your husband allowing you to spend your income and his income to remit back to the Philippines to support your extended family...?
Most filifine i know are dishonest people!!!
A month ago when I found out my soon to be 'ex' husband joined zoosks local dating site, i found couples of phone numbers in his contacts lists. so i called them. one of them lived in our city n first time i called she answered me n asked me who i am. i said to her that i am martin wife. she hung up the phone. then i called three more times but she didnt answer my calls. so i leave her messages telling her that martin is married man.
i also went to my husband zoosks n wrote her a mail, telling her that he is married.
one month nothing happened. she wrote to him on zoosks n said: hi are you still searching? why you erased my phone numbers?
i replied to her n said again: he erased your numbers because he is married!!!
then two weeks ago i found out from our phone bills that they been texting for 1300 text messages.
i was so angry. i recognize her numbers. so i text her n told her what i think about her.
n she lied to me.
she said that he didnt know he was married. n their communication is over now.
What a BULLSHIT...she knows he is a married man. i called her n leaver her 2-3 voice message on her cell n i also two times sent her message on zoosks.
n i changed my husband profile headline n wrote down that he is a married man.
anyway...short story i am leaving my husband...on the 16th april in the morning he told me he is sorry n he knows what he did is wrong, but in the afternoon i found out he joined korean cupid n paid member too!
i dont think he can change.
my husband is not a trustworthy or good man, but filifine is no better. they really dont care if the man they flirt n text is married.
i wonder what they learn in sunday school???
as far as i know they go to church every sunday n preaches about God all the time.
n thats true what nancy said...my husband n i talked about filifine. n i told him what i think about most of them. n he defended them. telling me they have hard life n poor n they just want a better life, he said its understandable.
what is it about men??? making excuses about them.
but i admit the filifine are smart in playing their role.
such as maria, she told me to forgive my husband n telling me alot about bible. she also told my husband to be a good husband n father.
but...couple weeks later i found out they still texting n calling. so...they play angel but inside rotten tomatoes!!!
I think in life, most of the time people treat us the way they do because we let them.
One of the best things I have done in my life was adopt a 'take no shit' approach to people.
You would be amazed at how effective that attitude is in weeding out unnecessary people from one's life and allowing one to retain people who are valuable...
@Irmawati the first time i meet one of them, i could detect her roll, and that smile and the pity party crap,i asked her what type of fake smile is that she looked at me and never spoken to me again, when ever she sees me she hide, so i began to search to find out about their culture it was 9 years ago then i came across all kinda of stories so i start talking to people asking questions,looking at them at a deeper level i just had the guts feeling they are shady bunch of people and to my surprise i was right, my brother who is a doctor, i started asking him questions becuse i know he worked with lots of them as nurse, he start telling me the stories about what one who is a nurse at the hospital did to his friend and from there i stared asking question here in the Bahamas and i start finding out more stuff then i came a cross this site and oh boy i get really pissed because i wouldn't want no one hurt none of my family so i set out to help fight back i make a promise to all the families who lost love ones because of those scum of the earth i will fight and i know i will win and end this mess.
do people have any idea how men many lost their life their children money home everything because of those lazy ass crazy, scums,material hungry hoes,i have traveled the world and they are the worst set i ever come a cross in my life no heart, no compassion, they just dirty sick minded people , they coming here talking about well educated women from their country don't do , every last one of them because they parent teach them,they sell their children for penny, where is the love so people if they sell their flesh and blood what they will do to you and me.
them women from PH remind of Hitler.
@Irmawati: I am so sorry for what you are going through. You are trying to make boundaries for your husband. It will drive you crazy because he has no self control to take what is his (you, his wife!) and forsake ALL OTHERS as the marriage vows say. He has no boundaries and will continue to hurt you. It takes 2 to make a marriage and he must do his part too.
Amazing how persistant these PH chics are even when you tell them over and over, " My husband is married." That is immoral of these PH women. Their bad behaviors reflect poorly on the good PH women.
It is best to forgive your husband but you do NOT have to trust him----forgive for yourself (bitterness is terrible for you to go through). TRUST is EARNED. your husband is not earning ANY trust. Give trust to trustworthy people ONLY.
@TanfromAustralia's comment: "take no s*** from anyone" is making boundaries. It is another way to say protect your heart from hurtful people who will use you, abuse you, and then throw you away.
@tally - Thank you for taking on this difficult and important task on behalf of so many. I only started posting here 7 months ago. More than 20 years after my church youth group leader and grandmother died at the hands of filipinas. The video you shared about elder abuse echoes what happened to my grandmother. Only it was too late for her, she died, starved to death by my uncle's filipina maid. Then my family member's life, marriage and family was forever destroyed by her filipina maid who got pregnant by her husband, to get money and hopefully citizenship in my home country. In the 20 years, I never think of people from a particular country doing such things to people of other countries. Most people don't think this way, and this is how evil pinays and their lazy greedy families keep using unsuspecting foreigners.
Sometimes I regret my silence. I wonder if I could have helped someone if I had spoken up sooner. Now is the time we must finally do something. If you need any research or information in support of your work, just post it here and let us know. I know there are at least a couple of men who post here occasionally but provide very well researched facts and information, helping to open our eyes. I am sure they are following this thread and will contribute their information when the time comes.
I WILL NOT STOOP DOWN ON THIS KIND OF ENDLESS ARGUMENTS.. ITS UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIPHER YOURSELVES WHETHER YOU COULD BE BITTER OR NOT ON YOUR EXPERIENCE OVER A FILIPINA.. ONE MORE THING, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE.. IF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN SMART, GET YOUR INSTINCT AND A SLIGHT GUT FEEL AND KNOW HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF.. AND MIND, ITS NOT ONLY A FILIPINA WHO DO THESE THINGS.. TRY TO MOVE YOUR HEAD LEFT AND RIGHT.. MAYBE, YOURFELLOW COUNTRYMEN DO THESAME.. CIAO RAGAZZI! AU REVOIR! BYE!
@EDUCATED FILIPINA,get your silly self off here no shame set of people
thank you people for posting all these things, a friend of mind hire her maid today after see read all the mess here, thank you god it a start.
sorry not hire fired her today because she don't want to end up like others when i get the call today i was so happy that my hard work paying off
Ching chang chong,Ching chang chong, im singin this song she did me wrong. She was an asian queen burned my money like gasoline.Ching Chang Chong she did me wrong.Smokin my Bong Ching Chang Chong.My Ding Dong Ching Chang Chong.Happy 420 and remember Ching Chang Chong she will do you wrong.
@objectivelyspeaking: What country are you from---I didn't catch what you said---just curious. You mentioned getting Nancy Grace's show to publicly expose this topic. I thought her show did court cases. Is she doing a new show now? Whatever her show, your comment made me think of emailing some of the other talk shows like Dr. Phil, etc.
I am a filipina, 27 years old now and married to a white man, 57 years old. The first year of our marriage was full of arguments....or I called it "adjustments" for both of us. He was a "grumpy" before and yes he was hurting me physically by pushing me away to the stairs and grabbed my shirts when he gets mad at me. I cried many times and sometimes tried to hide in the closet, I have no family, friends and relatives here in USA. It was really really hard for me, I wanted to leave him but I do really love him and tried to understand him...we only stop fighting when I get pregnant...and I always shows to him that I love him and honestly I don't know how to live without him. My coworkers think that I am a weird person because I am an attractive woman and smart married to a fat old guy but who cares??? age doesn't matter! We have 1 year old son now and we're turning 3 years on May 23rd and we're still counting......God Bless us...whatever happens I'll love him the rest of my life.
@Nancy - Nancy Grace isn't doing a new show as far as I know. Her show's format analyzes current news, not old cases. I suggested her because she is forceful and passionate, always calls a spade a spade, never minces her words. After reading posts by victims on this thread and reviewing other boards as well, she may be so moved to do a special segment. I don't know if she would, just hoping. @tally mentioned Dr. Drew whose show comes right after Nancy Grace's. His show almost always echoes Nancy Grace's topic aired just before his. However, @tally knows what she is doing to suggest Dr. Drew. If she lands it, she will co-ordinate the show to make sure it is focused on the victims who are foreigners, especially their family who were not the ones making the mistake of sleeping with the pinay slut but end up paying the price anyway. We don't want a show that tries to be 'politically-correct', then ends up victimizing the victims a second time.
As for my home country, I will just reiterate what I have already shared without adding to it. I am Euro-Chinese, born and spent my childhood years in Asia. Travelled throughout Asia, lived in Europe and the US as well, relocating my home many times. I actually lived in large cosmopolitan cities in those countries for long and short periods. They were not business trips, 1-week package tours or 1-day stops on a cruise where I did only the touristy things. I emphasize my duration of stay because someone who opposes my views said that he "travelled a lot too". Well I wasn't just zippin' through. I actually lived where I travelled, to observe, know and understand the various cultures of people.
I wouldn't add any more specifics to the above because for his honesty, @TanfromAustralia was attacked by a pack of PH posters here hyena/guerilla style over his heritage, profession and family background. On other boards and forums, the webmaster mostly sets boundaries on disclosure, cautioning posters to never disclose their real name, online contact, real life location, etc. all for safety and precaution.
hello all am a filipina early 20s 115 lbs 5'2" looking for strong american man pls email dynah@xycct.com
From the great Atlantic ocean to the wide pacific shore there is no better Hustler than that asian Pinoy wh**e.Theres a girl from Phillipines shes long and shes tall she came down from Manila on the Whoopass Cannonball.
They're gonna put me in the movies they're gonna make a big star out of me
We'll make a film about a man who's sad and lonely and all she gotta do is act naturally
Well I'll bet you I'm a gonna be a big star might win an Oscar you can never tell
Movies are gonna make me a big star cause she play the part so well
Well I hope you'll come to see me in the movies then I know that you will plainly see
The biggest fool that's ever hit the big time and all she gotta do is act naturally
We'll make a scene about a man that's sad and lonely
And begging down upon his bended knee
She will play the part that won't need rehearsing all she have to do is act naturally
Well I bet you I'm a gonna be a big star...
Two three four all she have to do is act naturally
They're gonna put me in the movies they're gonna make a big star out of me
We'll make a film about a man who's sad and lonely and all she gotta do is act naturally
Well I'll bet you I'm a gonna be a big star might win an Oscar you can never tell
Movies are gonna make me a big star cause she play the part so well
Well I hope you'll come to see me in the movies then I know that you will plainly see
The biggest fool that's ever hit the big time and all she gotta do is act naturally
We'll make a scene about a man that's sad and lonely
And begging down upon his bended knee
She will play the part that won't need rehearsing all she have to do is act naturally
Well I bet you I'm a gonna be a big star...
Two three four all she have to do is act naturally
They only come out at night...!
@ BoxcarWilly - I hate the Filipina bitches who marry for a green card and money, but you are stupid to associate "ching chang chong" with Filipinos. There is no "ching chang chong" sound in any part of the Filipino language. That's Chinese. And even with the Chinese, there is no "Ching Chang Chong." Those three separate words do not usually co-exist. Take your ignorance elsewhere.
@objectivelyspeaking i was explaining about filipinos saying "proud to be filipino" . There's nothing wrong with that. What is unaccaptable for me is to deny one's heritage or ethnicity. And i guess you are proud of who you ar as well.
And for saying filipinas have bad reputation. You are right as i can't deny that. and it is really unfair that even the good ones are overshadowed by the bad ones.
About the 'perfect wives' thing. No country, no race can claim that they have the perfect wives. That's all i was saying and for dating sites to create such slogan is bs but that's marketing strategy.
To the filipina who said she's 27 and her husband is 57. I don't wanna judge you but why did you marry a man in his 50s? You are smart, young and beautiful but i guess love is really blind eh? Well goodluck to your mariage and be careful with other pinay who might try to steal your husband.
@Tan apology accepted. I guess i can't blame you for judging me because i am filipina. It's not fair but we just wanna think that-who cares what others think of us, the person who really matters to us are the people who knows us.
Lack of money, lack of education.. Is it really hard to know what is right and what is wrong?
@Rain you write and i read clearly i can see the lies and the bullshit, tell it to someone who don't have eyes.
@Virtuous:
You have entirely missed the point that objectivelyspeaking has made repeatedly.
This whole discussion is NOT about a group of posters ganging up and attacking the filipino people out of racism or a cultural prejudice. That is absolutely absurd and we are all beyond that by now.
Don't attempt to whitewash the true problem with the Philippines by resorting to the generalization that "there are whores in other countries, too" argument.
It is quite ironic for you to criticise the fallacy of the "perfect wives" marketing propaganda when in fact that very slogan is implicit on the dating profiles of virtually every filipina in the internet. "Age doesn't matter", remember?
This problem is a uniquely filipino cultural one and is support by an array of statistics and resources.
Your ignorance and denial is indicative of a larger social paralysis of the general filipino people. That sort of collective impotence is why the Philippines is such a mess at the moment.
@Virtuous:
One doesn't need to be wealthy or have an education to be able to discern between right and wrong.
I can't tolerate a collective group of people who go through life carrying a pervading sense of entitlement because believe their circumstances have been more limited than others.
What I despise even more is when that group of people act on that sense of entitlement by exploiting other people.
We were all never meant to live like Kings. We all have to have enough pride in ourselves by being responsible for ourselves and our own survival. It's called emotional maturity. It's also called being a responsible adult.
If you need to eat everyday and have a roof over your head, remember that someone else has to work to obtain those things for themselves as well. You have 2 hands, 2 feet, a head and most importantly...
...a backbone. Start using it.
how many times must we explain don't come here with the bullshit, it not helping who are trying to stop the madness, we don't care, because all is just pure lies,pity party crap tell it to a blind man, not us, we trying to educate you PH about life, what you was taught growing is wrong, the next thing you people been in the church from small what do you all learn?
...they learn the art of prostitution in all its forms.
Thank you for that @TanfromAustralia. I couldn't have said it better. I was also thinking that posting here is like giving free tuition to pinays, and @tally said it before me. It is because of this degenerate mentality among an overwhelming majority of filipino men and women that their country is in the sh!t shape it is today. This is why the small educated segment of the population have been lashing out at their own people on various web sites and articles. This is also why CoRRECT was formed. Talk about a thankless job. Theirs must be the greatest one of all.
I posted a short while back that an OFW published a book on remittances back home. She cited "unwanted pregnancies" as one of the key reasons why pinays are flocking overseas to work. They need the money to feed their babies! Not that they will be grateful for the employment offered by foreign families. They then go on to abuse the elders in their care or seduce the male employers with surprise pregnancies we hear so much about. Tell us what is really embedded in the grey matter of your brains? What were you pinays taught in school, at home and in church? Throughout this board and except for the one, there is never a straight answer to a hard question on your lack of morality asked by us foreigners. Because you pinays have none. Then you repeat your BS denials and deflections, start all over again. Hey we are here to protect what is ours against you. So we are committed to be here for the long haul. Keep trying. Better yet, go fix your sh!t.
@Virtuous - NO I will NOT be proud of my heritage if I were a filipina. I will be so ashamed of my country and people I wouldn't know where to put my face when the sun rises every day. I will have to begin each verbal and written communication with an apology to the world. NO I am not being sarcastic. This is truly how I would feel. Like trust, pride also needs to be earned.
I didn't get it.. I posted to clarify things and yet you two saying i didn't get your point, i am igorant..wow! I will not bother to point things out gain.
Opinion will never be a fact. And a fact will always surface.
Do you know what is really iritating? Filipinos have bad reputation right? And yet there are still foreigners dating and marrying filipinas, companies hiring filipinos in canada, usa, australia. From laborer, engineering and management.
Why would i hide my face? I am a filipino, my country is not perfect, we might have scammers, whores, unethical,immoral countrymen but you will held the good ones accountable for their acts? A true christian and an intelligent person, i guess anybody can claim that they are and yet by words and actions....
Here we go again. More free tuition. And now a subtle attack on my religious stance and intelligence. This is the kind of pinay BS we have to deal with again and again.
"From laborer, engineering and management." will look like PH exports these "skills" more or less equally at first glance. In truth, the ratio of unskilled:skilled labour exported by PH is in stark proportion to the poor:rich ratio in the country. Go check the PH government OFW stats for yourself. For all the ineptness that the PH government is being accused of by their people, I have to say that they deserve some credit for their openness to the world about the acute problems of their country both socially and economically. Something we can't say of all governments in Asia.
The facts have surfaced so many times foreigners here have lost count. Is "opinion" the latest pinay deflection from fact?
Why do foreigners date/marry pinays? After I mentioned the number of filipina mail-order bride related hubs on this board has dropped from 4 to 2 in the last 7 months, it went back up to 4 within 2 days, then dropped back to 3, the current number. Your country is still hell-bent on peddling your women to foreign men. As for the 4 million tourists who visited your country last year, how many were sex tourists? How many where there on invitation to vacation by marriage/visa scammers to take photos for that fiancee visa application? Other than that, non-sex tourists can be so easily converted into sex-tourists because all they have to do is walk around a bit, and they will have teenage (even underage) girls pimped to them by her own parent; have young pinays in malls smile at them and slip their cell phone numbers in their hands. Cell phones "gifted" to them by the previous sex tourist or scam victim. This is the truth about your country @Virtuous. Accept it for a fact.
I have nothing against you personally. You are probably among the educated ones who has an overseas education not by selling yourself. But it remains a fact that when we wear the badge of belonging to a group or country, our deeds and reputation are a cross-representation one of the other. That's called "accountability". We foreigners are questioning if this word even exists in the vocabulary IN ITS RIGHTFUL MEANING of the vast majority of PH people. The favourite game you people play is offload the responsibility of accountability from your own shoulders, turn around and tell us foreigners our men have themselves to be blamed for being scammed into a marriage or of their money, it is all our own d@mn fault. Keep on denying. We will keep on repeating the truth about your people for as many times as it takes. That's our promise.
@Rain: Curious if you are 27, then why did you marry a guy who is 57? What can a young woman see in an old guy? Just don't get why PH filipinas go for older guys. To us, it could only be explained by "MONEY". What kind of job does your husband have? Also do you have your green card yet? Just wandering since you have been married to him for 3 years. Your marriage doesn't sound all that happy to me.
@TanfromAustralia,honest i do think so.
@Virtuous:
I refer to your quote, "Opinion will never be a fact. And a fact will always surface".
This quote alone demonstrates the depth of your ignorance. Either that, or you are deliberately feigning ignorance.
Posters like obectivelyspeaking and myself have expressed opinions in this thread BASED UPON FACTS. These facts exist in publications and on the internet. These FACTS have surfaced.
Your comment that "there are still foreigners dating and marrrying filipinas" attempts to place the blame on the foreigners themselves rather than the filipinas for this cultural and social problem. It is blaming other people for the wrong things that your people do...
In the context of visa applications made to Australia, there are a very low number of skilled applications from "labourers, engineers and managers" by filipino emigrants. An overwhelming majority of applications are spouse visa applications.
This is because the national profession of the Philippines, which is prostitution, is not regarded as a "skilled" occupation in Australia for the purposes of a work visa.
Rather, the occupation of prostitution is more suited towards the marriage visa, where the suitability is met for the majority of filipina visa applicants.
Actually being skilled in a proper occupation requires education, study and qualifications. Being able to prostitute onself through marriage only requires one to falsely utter "I love you" for long enough and lie on one's back with one's legs spread out....
Bravo! The sky is high that is a fact and any human being knows it. Goodluck to you and to the crusaders.
Many intellligent people walked away from this forum already..
You can feign ignorance or delude yourself but not the rest of us. We have neither time nor interest for petty bickering with pinays. But we will not hesitate to restate the facts.
Your people have wasted enough valuable time and resources of the immigration departments in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and every other developed country in the world processing your scam marriage visas. We working tax payers paid for that already. Now we just want to protect what we have and value by speaking up. You people have a lot of nerve.
@Virtuous:
On the contrary, stupid and ignorant people have walked away from this thread because theirs is an indefensible argument.
You people indeed have wasted the Australian taxpayer's money with lodging your bullshit spouse visa applications. And you people con decent men into paying for the visa application fee. And you waste the time of Australian government officials who have to spend hours assessing applications which are not genuine.
What have the Philippines and its people really given to the world? You take, exploit and consume, but have not contributed much positive things.
Is it any wonder why the international community shares a uniform perspective about your people?
It's not "racism". We don't detest your people for who and what you are.
We detest you because of what you do.
I am shocked! How can you catagorize and entire nations female population?
In California there are so many gold digging women it's not even funny! I have married 2 of them. Marriages based on "I'll be good to you, as long as you give me whatever I want"
I have been seeing a wonderful Filipina woman for months now. When times were tough for me, she helped me, not the other way around. She has a good job, and an incredible work ethic. We both have experienced bad relationships. Both of us were cautious about getting involved at all. In fact, we talked quit a bit before she would even show herself to me. Now she is my best friend. We talk about everything, and go through good time and bad times together. That's more than I can say for my American wives.
We plan on meeting later this year. I don't care if I go there, or she comes here. In fact, if the American process is too dificult to deal with, then we have no problem living in another country.
There are plenty of countries who are nearly as judgemental as our INS is. The thing that amazes me is that for a country that is supposed to be so madern, the ideas expressed here seem to be archaic. I thought we were past all this racism.
But the simple fact remains, people are going to be judgemental to anyone they don't understand.
I am a fifth generation native Californian, and the truth is, I found true love in the Philippines.
If I turn out to be wrong, so be it. But if you turn out to be wrong, and some beautiful southern belle takes you to the cleaners, try looking for someone with better values. I don't know, maybe a filipina???
I am CaliMan's Filipina girlfriend. We came along this site as we were exploring the best options for our future plans.
I am Filipina, and I detest the fact that some people make generalizations of "what" Filipinas are. I have to admit that there are Filipina scammers but we know for a fact that in every country there are too.
I met my man online, and yes it is love. For those who haven't experienced it, you aren't in a position to say anything about it --- you won't understand what goes on and how much yearning is involved to get by and keep it.
I am blessed to have met the man of my dreams. I did not love him because he is American. Far from it. I love him because he completes me.
He has been warned by some friends about Filipina women, and he just exercised his best judgment if he wanted to be with me.
I am going to see him on Christmas. I have been asked by my US boss, who I work online for, to come visit for a mandatory meeting. In every relationship, especially if its not of your same nationality, we all exercise caution and we make our decisions to be with this person using our best judgment -- that is will they be good for us, as much as would we be good for them.
I know that we will be together and I just know that because we are sure of who we are and what are motives are, and that we know that we will be adding value to each other's lives.
@Cali Man:
You sound like such an idiot that you might as well get a tatoo on your head that says, "exploit me".
The filipina woman you are corresponding with needs a visa, you fool. She will be anything you want her to be.
You have some audacity to suggest that I am being "judgemental" because I "don't understand" filipinas.
I had worked around hundreds of filipinas for 6 years...and you're telling ME that I don't understand them as well as you?
YOU? Some desperate john who thinks he struck gold by going online and meeting some scammer who tells you whatever you want to hear?
Have you even looked in the mirror and asked yourself why you have had so many failed relationships with American women? Was it them or you that was the problem? And do you think filipina would truly accept you if American women can't? The difference is that American women are independent whilst filipinas need a visa and financial support.
I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I have become jaded and hardened by listening to the same bullshit stories while working as an immigration lawyer for 6 years.
It seems that the dog does not learn new tricks.
TanfromAustralia states that thier profession is prostotution, and they have no eduacation.
My lady has a double major college degree, and two jobs. Maybe he sould stop looking for love at the internet cafes, and cheap dating websites. Actualy, maybe he should stop looking altogether. With preconcieved ideas, and attitudes like this, he wouldn't last long in a marriage to a woman from any country. Stick to the kangaroos. But remember, they will take you for a ride!
@CaliMansWoman:
Some agendas are as transparent as glass.
Good luck with the visa application.
@Cali Man:
What you say about me is laughable, because it is far from the truth as can be.
Unlike you, I don't have failed relationships nor do I have to resort to looking for love on the internet.
And I wouldn't brag about academic qualifications from the Philippines if I were you. Qualifications over there are bought for a price, just like the people.
Seriously, you are jaded, but I don't think it has anything to do with your job. My woman never asked to come here, and in fact it is my idea. She has been employed by two american companies for a long time. She could have easliy come here on a work visa, which is actually much easier that getting a K2 visa. Check it out for yourself.
She has not come here, because she has been loyal to her family. Much more than I can say for most Americans.
As far as me being an idot, and the problem with the two gold diggers, think about this....I was told that is I didn't buy a bottle of Dom Perignon every night I wasn't getting anything, not even a kiss, that was the first wife.
The second wife wanted me on an allowance, and not to spend anything without her prior approval, while she spent as much as she wanted anytime she wanted.
I put up with that, because I was an idiot. Findin someone who is independant, and want to ensure she can support herself, without putting demands on me, that is smart.
She will not come out here, if she doesn't still have her jobs, and she has told me that. I am willing to go live there, and finish my schooling, while eating scary food, and dealing with a slow ass internet connection. She hasn't said no to that, just like she didn't ask me to bring her out here.
@TanfromAustralia
I already have my visa.
Just sad that you are so jaded that you only keep seeing the worst of people, and not the best of people.
My man and I will be happy and have our family, and regardless of what you say or anybody else for that matter, nothing will keep us from each other.
@Cali Man:
Do you have trouble finding women on equal footing who can accept you? That is, women who are confident, honest, financially successful and genuine? Women who don't need to exploit you in any way, shape or form?
The irony is that since women like that are so genuine, they refuse to tolerate or accept men who have character defects or personality issues, but in essence those are the kind of women that most men want.
The 'filipina-wife-from-Heaven' concept taps into that ideology, albeit it with an unusual twist. The catch is that these women are not genuine, which is why they temporarily tolerate these men.
It is not exactly rocket science. You just need to possess an IQ over 90 in order to be able to intellectually grasp these concepts.
@TanfromAustralia
You don't have a failed relationship, because you arebn't capable of having a relationship. If you do have one, I feel sorry for him or her, having to put up with a self rightous bigot, who bashes a nation, because a small percentage of them are not honest. Actually, most people everywhere are dishonest to some extent, as it is a fact that most people are self centered, and self seeking.
I am sure there are pleny of people in Australia who aren't the most honest altruist people.
But for anyone considering finding foreign love, you should be smart about it. Why would a 19 year old hot chick want your 50 year old saggy body. I think that holds true even in same nationality relationships. I suggest you find someone closer to your own age. And someone who doesn't hide the skelatons in thier closet. If they are willing to share there past with you, then you might have found a winner.
But if you want to believe some angry man who is truly a bigot, go ahead. Find an american who thinks she is entitled, and see how that goes for you!
@TanfromAustralia
You may be an immigration lawyer for 6 years, but it sure as hell shown that you have no idea what you're talking about? I buy my degrees? Lol! From the Premier State University and my law degree from a Private University run by American Jesuits?!!! Give me a break!!!!
You're one bitter old man!
Well, good luck to both of you!
@TanfromAustralia
IQ over 90? How about in the upper 3% in the state on my ASVAB. How about going for my Masters in IT? Get a grip man, find someone else to bash!
We don't need your crazy opinions. But hey, since you think you know us so well, how about using her as your lawyer when you get sued for slander, and then have me build a website for your new business, Chimney Sweep
You both sound like fools.
Your blatant assumptions about me and my life are so way off from the truth.
You both deserve each other.
Just stick to IT and trolling for scammers on the internet. You know little about the law.
@TanfromAustralia
What about your blatant assuptions about us? Thinking she's a gold digger, and I am stupf? We are meant for eachother, two well educated, finacialy secure people who believe in love. As far as finding love on the internet, we worked togeth. That is how we met. Not on some fid a filipina to marry site.
I hope you find it in your heart to stop bashing people. Kindness goes a lot farther than bitterness.
Look up the definition of Altruism. When you know what that means, you can see why two people who are both altruistic make a wonderful couple. I am sorry if anything I said offended you, it is not my intention to do so. I was just quite irritated with the generalizations you made anout Filipina women. They might have their share of scammers, but so does every coulture. I don't see Americans or Australian being perfect. So with that, I bid you adieu.
one last thing Tan,
with all of my tech knowledge, don't you think I thoroughly checked her out? I have more information about her, than you probably do with your clients. It's called making sure you know who your with.
Goodbye and good luck.
Have a prenuptial agreement drawn up and entered into.
And most importantly...hire a really, really good divorce lawyer down the track.
With that, I am retiring for the night to watch the movie 'Shame' starring Michael Fassbender.
I have obviously wasted way too many keyboard strokes on both of you fools tonight...
one last thing Tan,
Don't you think that will all my computer skill I had her checked out? I have more information about her, than you probably do about your clients. It's called knowing who your with.
And I am not the lawyer, she is, so my amount of legal knowledge is limited to internet and business. But I am sure that you mean well. I just hope you find out someday that not everyone is who you think they are. Sometimes people surprise you. Sometimes people are even genuine. Those are rare, but finding one is a blessing, and you should hold onto them.
@Cali Man:
You may have checked out her background, however, records and documents in the Philippines are easily falsified. You should also remember that a lot of marriage scammers from the Philippines are excellent at disguising their true motivation. If somebody was truly intent on doing that, you would have to be psychic to work out what is really going on. Her true face will not be revealed until she feels safe and secure in doing so.
You spent time researching into the background of one person. However, I dealt with literally hundreds of these women for years. I saw the first stages of their relationships where they hooked in these men and I saw the tragic aftermath when these women tossed these men aside like yesterday's garbage. All of these men thought that marrying these women was a really good idea at the time.
Don't suggest that you are more cluey than me when it comes to this subject matter. I have years and loads of experience ahead of you when it comes to dealing with filipinas.
I'm a world weary veteran.
You're just a fool wearing rose coloured glasses about to experience your first filipina marriage scam. You weren't the first and you certainly won't be the last...
@Cali Man,you is one fool honest, wisdom is the key to life and if you lack ask god am sure you need some wisdom in that head.
Hey, im just about to marry an philippian woman. I hope it will be ok. If is anybody interrested, there is a czech site about this topic http://predcasna-ejakulace.cz
Ill have to agree and X gets the square the eye color plays a roll in races the gnome and dna structure of the eye color black dates back to the primates.Hence the africans are closely related to the lowland gorillas and chimpanzees as for the asians they are more related to the lemurs and spider monkeys. As well as skin tones that match the primates. As for true pure dna we have the Austrailians Welsh Irish Scottish Germans all those races that have eye color established are the purest forms of human bieng all others are primitive and primates plus the fact they usually co exist in tribes much like the lowland gorillas and such. Gorillas in the mist was the first time a white woman actually bred with another race.
So ill have to agree they have evolved somewhat excelling in sports trying to go with the white race to improve there status but they still are primates.Gday M8!
Good day mate! That's funny. So are you saying Tan and objectivelyspeaking might somehow improved their status but still are primates
We didn't have to screw our way into a better life. I would say that makes us more evolved, wouldn't you...?
I think its so unfair to say that all Filipino women are the same. There might be a lot of you who have been screwed by Filipino women but this mean that we are all the same. Many Filipino women work hard for their family, who stand up as bread winner and sacrifice for their family. Many Filipino women are very much independent and doesn't rely on other people for financial support.
Don't you hate it when someone wants to represent themselves in behalf of Australia and Canada knowing they are chinks and gooks.
A lot of Asian women wants to marry a white.
Immigrants are likely more to be arrogant. They will down other asians to make themselves feel better.
Free tuition to Pinays? sounds like an arrogant bitchh to me. How many foreigners go to Vietnam and China to study? how about in the Philippines?
I have read here somewhere, that she's a malaysian and married a canadian azz and had a relationship with her cousin, her neighbor and now a filipina. And yet she's angry with filipinos only. I wonder if her cousin is a filipino though she is a malaysian.
i just observed how racist asians against asians.
@Matemyaz:
Not all Asian people had to prostitute themselves like you probably did.
Don't generalize the entire Asian people when it is your people who were culturally raised to pimp and prostitute each other.
A snide remark is all you've got to contribute to this board @Lol? Talk a about A NEW LOW.
Just FYI - neither @TanfromAustralia nor I had family and friends warning us against the one we chose to date or marry. Nor did we have to post arguments with perfect strangers on an online board to justify our choices. Do we have to spell out for you the reason why?
I am Malaysian somewhere in my posts here and there is a cousin and neighbour involved? You'd be surprised at how many internationals go to China to study. And it is not to learn basic conversational Chinese like the Koreans go to PH to learn basic English. Go and do your homework better before posting here @Matemyaz you ignorant neo-nazi supremacist asswipe.
@Bernadette,they make it seem as if that what they are doing honest them people is so clever one have to have of CIA to see what going on,they play their roll so good.
correction eyes of a CIA to see and understand what they do or doing,i don't come here talking what i don't know and see, honest i could say oh they are really hard working and honest look a bit deeper they manipulate everything they can see and put their hands if people that fool to allow them, most people are fooled by their always smiling and the pity party and the yes mom and yes sir thing but they are scouting for the first Opportunity, when you lease expect it.
Also another aspect of all these sub species is the fact the hair structure doesnt have any color is rather nappy and kinky.And generally they expoliate a rather musky and funky odor something someone would find at a zoo best to keep the sex between the species in order.Otherwise mass protests riots ensue things of that nature.Note the overall cranium size.They excell in sports and entertainment functions as well.The Mountain Gorillas usually take up football while the chimpanzees aquire basketball skills and the lowland gorillas usually make good golfers.The orgatangs however set on there asses collecting welfare checks and food stamps or have a talk show of some nature.There is indeed a rise of the apez.
Another risk factor with online romance is these sub species that coexist here.Its thought to be a first rate romance then winds up bieng a third rate rendevou.She smiles and you start sending checks via western union.She smiles some more and out goes another 100 or 1000 dollars pissed away for this fantasty lifestyle of having an affair with not a culture but a speicies in general.Gday M8!And Gday to you LOL
maria, you missing the point.
Also another aspect of all these sub species is the fact the hair structure doesnt have any color is rather nappy and kinky.And generally they expoliate a rather musky and funky odor something someone would find at a zoo best to keep the sex between the species in order.Otherwise mass protests riots ensue things of that nature.Note the overall cranium size.They excell in sports and entertainment functions as well.The Mountain Gorillas usually take up football while the chimpanzees aquire basketball skills and the lowland gorillas usually make good golfers.The orgatangs however set on there asses collecting welfare checks and food stamps or have a talk show of some nature.There is indeed a rise of the apez.
Another risk factor with online romance is these sub species that coexist here.Its thought to be a first rate romance then winds up bieng a third rate rendevou.She smiles and you start sending checks via western union.She smiles some more and out goes another 100 or 1000 dollars pissed away for this fantasty lifestyle of having an affair with not a culture but a speicies in general.Gday M8!And Gday to you LOL
You have to do some researching as well arrogant bitchh. Internatinals to study in China, how many? 2? I see that's a big number. I've seen Karate Kid too
And to that stupidass lawyer, that' prettty mUch everything to describe you.
Asian immigrants and refugees it's not hard to tell what you are trying to pull. All of you are the same.
and yeah we pimped ourselves all the way to WA from Buffalo! What an assumption you got there.
@Matemyaz:
We never had to justify our choices or culture the way you have to. Nor do we have to defend the way you do.
Are you defending prostitution because it reflects your own life choice?
If martial arts is all you think China has to offer, that shows how ignorant you are. It is people who have no case, no facts, no substance to post that come to an online board calling other posters names. We see the same BS on other boards all over the internet titled for filipina prostitutes. Why would these boards have come into being if not for the proliferation of marriage scamming, pimping and prostitution coming out from PH the last 10 years. If you @Matemyaz feel offended because you are not one of them, fixing your country is what needs to be done. Starting online altercations will not stop our posts or the existence of boards about filipina scammer whores. If anything, you are only helping to spread the word against PH and their people. I have said this before - the more heated the arguments here, the more Likes on FB because spectatorship is entertainment.
It is also very obvious that @TanfromAustralia and I are most frequently targeted by pinays and pinoys because we are Asian and not white, know too well from our history of geographical co-existence the games PH scammer whores and their cohorts play, there is nothing you people can get out of the two of us.
The sub species you are refering to its in their very nature to be sluts and opportunists.Lots of examples shown here exists, showing there primitive ways.This sub species exists within an enviroment that trys to consume all it can while it gives very little much like swine.I have extensively traveled the world over and have came to the conclusion that all these sub species what advancements they have made has occured from them leeching off the superior knowledge that exists only within the purest forms.However some polynesians do have the talent of picking up dimes with there clits if that offers some benefits.
Is that how you will retaliate? To you Stupidass from Asss. Your comprehension sucks
and you arrogant bitchh I'd still say all of you Asians are the same.
Defending prostitution? I am offended? What the hell are you two talking about?
If we didn't get whether your posts are "defending" or "offended", that's because we don't get what your point really is other than calling me an arrogant bitch and insulting China. We have come to recognize that as slithery PH talk.
We have also noticed that "all Asians are the same" is the distorted representation certain PH people repeatedly try to impress upon the western world. We already know that your pinay scammer whores are posting their scam profiles on Chinese sites like QQ and xycct.com, pretending to be Chinese! Mind you the smart westerners are not easily fooled. They have already made that clear.
What percenta of these so called PH hos are legit hos what i sayin can any be trusted im hookin up wid one tonite what i sayin mon shes really hot do i pay out big bucky later even if she so gooooood mon?
All I see is the old Western guys going to Asia to use the naive women there. Maybe you should stick to your own country and culture so that you are not decieved anymore. You have been selfish enough to have exploited Asia and Africa so far. Don't Irish use Indian women for their money? Didn't Western girls go after Arab men for their money?? STEREOTYPES OF ALL ARE THE EUs AND USs !
@Matemyaz:
After making numerous posts, you have still managed to say absolutely nothing intelligent to contribute to the debate in this thread.
Your snide remarks and attempts to pick a fight with objectivelyspeaking is indicative of an attempt to deflect the issues at hand...because yours is perhaps an indefensible position.
Thanks for that @TanfromAustralia. We need to ask @Ultramagnus to moderate and filter out posts by neo-nazi supremacists from this thread like he did before with that K3 a$$wipe. These posts only serve to fragment and distract from the relevant arguments and information pertaining to this thread's topic and purpose.
Met one online was chatting extensively left my wife of 8 years flew over had a good thing going for almost a week met most of her family.Asked her hand in marriage and her father asked for $100,000 dollars is this a common practice there it sure shocked or is it a cultural thing in the phillipines???
@DrSmith:
This is not necessarily a cultural tradition just pertaining to the Philippines only, but it exists in the majority of poverty stricken countries.
In those countries, poor women marry primarily for migration and economic reasons, which they priorities above other factors such as age and true compatibility.
You need to accept the reality that the true motivation and intention of this woman in marrying you may not match your own intention in marrying her. You need to accept that you will be expected to continually financially provide for her and her extended family.
Thanks for the fast response im really concerned tho is it common i mean sure support over time but like payin for her right out in almost like a lump sum?
@DrSmith RUN FOR YOUR LIFE,SO MANY MEN AFTER THEY MARRIED SO PLEASE RUN.
so many men die after they marry them woman over 2000 and counting.
@DrSmith:
If you are now talking about the Philippines, then my answer would be yes, it is extremely common because the Philippines is a poverty stricken country.
Filipinas are culturally ingrained to regard their parents and siblings as being more important than their foreign husband. This means that the husband is expected to be the priimary source of financial provision for the wife and her parents and siblings, to the extent that they do not have to work and can buy material things to improve their standard of living and comfort.
That cultural expectation will still be alive even if you bring your wife over to the US and even if she earns her own income, you can expect that she will use most of that income to remit home to her extended family.
That is what these girls have been raised to believe and do. Dont be angry about that and bang your head against a brick wall in frustration. Do not marry filipinas as they are WAY more trouble than they are worth.
Im blown away i dont know what to do does love even exists at this level how did i get myself into this omg! How could i be some in love with this girl.What if i refuse is our relationship doomed or does she honor her parents so much she will side with them?
What did you mean about killing here in the Phillipines or in the states omg!!!
@ nancy...age doesn't matter to me. Relationship is not all about MONEY. I am an accountant and my husband is a registered nurse...we're happy now with our son. Plan to go back to Philippines with my husband and build our own business.
Well do they respect there own suppose a filipina girl marries a filipina boy does the same hold true as well where the boy supports her family or is it only common because i am a foriegner omg!!!
@ nancy..I've got my green card already 2 years ago and applying for american citizen now...:)
@DrSmith:
That is the cultural reality of the Philippines and its people.
Be very careful though. If filipinas sense that the ongoing financial support will be a problem for you, then she will pretend the issue does not matter to her. This is because her ultimate goal is emigration. once in the foreign country, she has more options such as meeting another man and she will be able to obtain a better income.
@ tally...Well, I guess you're blind..just try to open your eyes and read what I wrote again..if you hate your life, I don't care! And I don't give a damn if you don't believe in what I have said. Get your life tally and be happy.....:D
I shouldve done my research im so heartbroken now i dont know what to do.Ive invested so much already gifts the plane ticket if she trully loves me will she diregard her parents demands???
Shes very religious or so i thought wouldnt that make a difference her and her family bieng so involved in church?
@ Dr, smith..if you really love her go fight for it...just explain to her and I'm sure she's going to explain it to her family. If she truly loves you she's going to disregard her parents demands...
True thanks maybe theres still hope i just couldnt believe the demand is it usually the fathers final decision or whos it to demand money??
@ Dr. Smith...my father never ask any money from my husband when my he visited me in the Philippines for 2 months...and it's not a cultural thing in the Philippines. I work hard here in USA to send money to my family in the Philippines. Anyway,$100,000 is a huge amount. Maybe her father was only kidding and he asked only 100,000 pesos which is 2,100usd...looks like he's selling his daughter to you! omg! Anyway, don't listen to his father..ur girl friend is matured enough to decide what she wants. Good luck!
@DrSmith:
Whilst what Rain is saying may be true, the odds are against this girl disregarding her family for true "love". I know that is what she would want you to think...
After she gets her visa and a better paying job in the US, you would be amazed at how drastically her attitute and outlook will change.
You should marry women from your own country who have a job and are financially independent. The odds of it working out are much better...
@Rain:
Of course it is a "cultural thing" in the Philippines.
Whilst you may not follow that practice, it does not negate the FACT that it is a widespread cultural practice in your native country.
The fact that you now work to remit home to your parents (by your own admission) is indicative of how deeply influenced you are by your own cultural tradition.
Did you go to the US merely because you love its scenery OR was it because you thought you could earn better money to send back home?
@ Tan from Australia...I have a good job here but my attitudes did not change. I'm still me....Anyway, I'm just saying that if her family wants her to be happy they should never ask about money...@ Dr. Smith, if she's not the one..don't worry you deserved someone better.
@ Tan from Australia...it's our culture to help our family but not to ask money to other people for our family...just want to make it clear.
@Rain:
But what I am saying is that these cultural values are so deeply ingrained in your people that most of the time, you don't know any better.
The fact that you are working in the US and remitting money home to your parents proves my point. Are they unable to work themselves? Are they literally starving and/or homeless?
What you do with your money is of course entirely your own business and entitlement. But where I have a big problem is when women in your situation (not necessarily you) do that and expect their Western husbands to work and use his income entirely for your needs (as all of your money has been remitted back home).
Do what you want with your time and money, but don't exploit other people. Don't make your problem their problem as well.
@rain:
I don't believe that for a minute!
It is that very ingrained cultural expectation/value that drives the majority of your women into being obsessed with emigration and turning into marriage scammers.
@ tan from australia..ur statement is too general..your judging the book by it's cover....:D
I do feel like im scammed how long has this practice been going on.Im sure my ex wife is laffing her fat ass off at my predicamate.
@Rain:
No, I'm not! What if I used the example of where I have read a whole library containing 1000 books. Of that total, 100 books are good and 900 books are bad, would I be generalizing then?
@ tan from australia...there's a lot of american men married to filipina women are successful...we're one of them. Anyway, why you're here? Are you being scammed with a filipina??????????????????
No, I'm not nor ever have been.
Rain did you meet on facebook or chat?
@tan from australia..do you hate us? Anyway, nice talking to you.
@ Dr. smith...we meet on dating site..we chatted for almost 1 year before he visited me and we got married. And now we have 1 year old son and we're happy.
@Rain:
No, I don't hate you or your people.
But I hate what your people do.
Thats nice congrats Rain
@Rain - If you and your husband are planning to return to the Philippines to start a business and eventually retire there, that's great and I wish you both success. I have read that PH is now gearing up for the healthcare and luxury retirement business catering to baby boomers worldwide. This will be perfect as your husband is a registered nurse.
With the good weather and beautiful natural resources, there is no reason why PH should not prosper in the future. I think if your home country kicks in gear for mainstream tourism, there will be more opportunities for your people. I think that returning PH nationals who have met success in foreign countries will bring your people hope. With hope comes the resistance to bad influences and a will to reach for advancement and progress. This is what those of us who hold goodwill for your country are wishing for you all.
We don't hate your country or your people as a whole. We just need to protect our families and society against the evil doers coming from your country to create havoc in ours, as is evident in too many cases over too many years. It is time to reverse this trend, for PH to show the world something good. Instead of online scamming, prostitution behind its various facades, human trafficking, marriage frauds, promiscuity, adultery, greed, fleecing and all the inevitable bad reputation that come with it.
@Rain: Being married only 1-2 years is hardly enough to say it is a sucessful marriage.
@Dr. Smith: Seems you don't really know this girl. You know her in a fun way, but do you really know who she is---her character? Just because you can make a guy have a fun time, that hardly makes a good wife. Maybe you are in lust and not really in love yet, do you think?
My 58 y/o ex sent $30,000-50,000 to his PH chic (oh, she is 33) so far (she built herself a very nice house!)---and he is now paying for the annulment that she needs but didn't tell him about at first. When annulment is done, then she can come to US. Does this sound like a very crazy story or what? He made a big mistake to leave his family for this chic. I know he is digging himself into a big pit. Sad that a stranger gets all this money and not his kids. Is he out of his mind?
And many other stories I can tell. My attorney told of one client whose PH wife left him. Her other client's wife returned to PH with their child and he has never seen his child again----nothing can be done legally bec it is international law.
Read as much of the posts as you can here. You will get your eyes opened for real. Be wise. She is a total stranger to you. Don't look at what you have invested so far---only count it as a learning experience and RUN!
My husband and I agreed that I will send 1/4 of my salary to my family in the Philippines. We have no problem about it... I am lucky to have a husband like him...he's understanding, loving and caring.
@ nancy...I don't believe in divorce that's why I considered our marriage a successful one...yes, we're turning 3 years and still counting. I agree, some of the filipinas are scammers but not all. Scammers are everywhere nancy not only Filipina.
@Rain - Well good for you that your husband seems to be treating you better now. In your first post, you said he was physically abusive toward you. These are things that come out as being a little off. A 57-year-old man who gets to marry an educated (accountant) who is 30 years younger at 27 should be thanking his lucky stars every day. And yet he was physically abusing you during the first year of marriage when you are in a new country with no one to turn to. These are the things we see as dangerous in marriages that result from online chatting between 2 people from 2 different cultures, physically separated during the online dating period, then taking the plunge and getting hitched soon after.
@ objectively speaking...it was my fault anyway...but we're happy now.
I am a filipina married to a foreigner. And I am proud to say that we are happy. I met him online through chatting.
@Rain - I wish you the best and everything works out good ever after. I have a caucasian woman friend here who has a 10-year relationship with an emotionally abusive man (also causcasian and local from the same city). She came crying to me so many times in that 10 years when he abused her in ways that were underhanded, subtle, and indirectly blaming her. She ended up blaming herself, telling the rest of us it was all her own fault. She flushed 10 good years of her life down the chute for this man. In the end, she left him, as past behaviour was always the best predictor of future behaviour. He never changed his ways because that's who he is. I hope things will be different for you. After all, we never wish bad things on good people.
@ objectively speaking..thanks for your concern but we're doing great. I did push his button before that's why he got mad at me but it was happen twice only...he's a good man and I am lucky to have him...
Hello everyone! Sorry to this person whoever wrote this crap thing about Filipina. Well Absolutely I can tell your a Filipina Hater! Don't compare each person/Filipina you had met because all people in this world has a different attitude. You don't have the rights to judge anyone, man! If you are really angry to someone from Philippines, be it! You just encountered a Filipina with different type, Man! Lot's of foreigner has been Married with a Filipina and now they are very happy with each other, with their children. If you/they are destiny to be hurt by whomever, well sorry just move on and get a life :) Sorry Man you just have to learn to forgive and not to compare each other.
my filipina friend was married to an Australian guy but they ended up getting divorced because her husband was so lazy..got drunk everyday and my filipina friend was the one who worked...and he always complained watching their own daughter.
foriegner is obsessed
foriegner is obsessed with filipina beauty.
and we can't do nothing about it!!!!!!
Nah...it's just because you girls are very easy.
@Jean: Maybe foreigner is not only obsessed with but also blinded by Filipina beauty. The truth is that beauty is so much MORE than skin deep.
My favorite saying is "Time reveals Character." It does take time being with a person to get to know him/her---see how they respond in situations (does not include internet time because you can hide so much). You can't learn about the true internal character without taking time to see it come out in everyday life.
@Rain: Is it true that because divorce is prohibited in PH, that many just move in with a different partner, never taking the time and expense to get annulment done? To me that is not any different than divorce, just different paper work is done. Curious about this aspect of your culture.
@ tan from australia:
easy to get you mean??? Well, I'm not the one of them so be careful with your words!
@ nancy:
I agree it does take time to get to know a person. Only rich people can afford to file an annulment here in PH.
@Jean:
Some of my former clients have told me that it only takes buying a drink to get a filipina into bed. Can you think of anything easier than that? I guess that your women throwing themselves at foreign men does not add to your mystique at all...
@ tan from australia:
so you're telling me that I am the one of them??? FYI not all filipinas!
maybe that guy put sleeping tablet in her drink....Hmmmmmmm.....bad guy!
No, jean, I am not saying you are one of them.
I am talking about "them".
@TanfromAustralia you are such a dirty tongue... Any women in this world won't like you because you have a chicken *** mouth!!! Sorry people for the "word" I used because there is nothing I can compare that guy, because he is arogant! He deserved to be judge also like what he is doing to others, specially to a Filipina... Ge a life Man! XD
@TanfromAusralia ho.ho.ho you are very intelligent that's why you can discriminate others. You should be the President of your country so you can stop all your people visiting Philippines... Whatever!
What a shame! People get what they deserved! To all Filipina haters are deserved to be hurt who knows, maybe, perhaps once of their lives they've been bad to others before so they get the "KARMA" from a Filipina. What do you think TanfromAustralia?! LOL
@Honeybear22:
I think you should stop posting to prevent you from looking more foolish than you already do...
@TanfromAustralia
Oh yeah because you are so intelligent, you know everything in this world! Could you tell us how many remaining people like you in this world? You are such a GAY!
And you are a moron, shut the hell up.
@TanfromAustralia
Hahaha you are the moron from hell! You are such a Moron Gay from Planet of Apes! You are super duper intelligent that's why you forgot the word "HUMANITY". You hate Filipina because they are real TAN, and you are the one who is trying hard to get their complexion. Moron!
@Honeybear22 go find some thing productive to do,if you do your country will be a better for all the hoes that will stop them from invading our space and killing our brothers,sorry i forget you is one and think every is ok to rob and kill someone son husband brother,in the name of money,i really don't think you read much because am following some stores.where this man fall in love with a woman from your country she already have a boyfriend in the same country, the first boyfriend end up killing her and the second boyfriend, she leave PH to work as a maid have two boyfriend living few blocks for each other she didnt care and she want was the money so she end up dead leaving her kids motherless, right now in the middle east there are bout 2000 PH women in jail guess for what.
Honeybear22 YOU SOUND LIKE A little kid get off and go find something worthwhile to do
@Tally
It is not fair to say all Filipina are bad, and they only love foreigner for money. It is not fair, not all Filipina are bad, like from other countries.
So @TANfromAustralia
Watch your word and learn to be fair moron!
@Honeybear22 - If I may ask, how old are you? Are you still in the Philippines? Are you on a filipina dating site chatting with foreign men who will potentially meet you for a vacation in the Philippines, then possibly fall in love with you and get you a fiancee visa out of the Philippines?
You don't have to answer any of the above questions if you don't wish to. I am also not judging you by asking questions so I am not making assumptions or jumping to conclusions about anyone. Fair enough?
@Honeybear22 you telling me it aint fair what about all others men children mothers, who suffer under the hands of women from your country,let me tell you something i did my research i see with my own eyes not only in my country but every other countries please save the dramas for your mama because am not stopping what am doing , your pity party don't fly with me so shhhhhhhh.
@honeybear22 tell me what them women from PH doing in countries like Afghanistan,Lebanon,Cuba,Nicaragua, Libya and the list goes on and every women from your country that enter these countries commit a crime and now lock up in jail for what in the name of money, they go in these countries and think they can do the same thing everywhere but surprise was waiting jail.
take for instance Kuwait do they understand what goes on in those countries the love of money cause them to suffer, they stop advertising themselves and work hard and build their country they would be better off instead of try to sell them self to the highest bid.
@tally
Sounds TanfromAustralia and Tally are one person behind?! I am 26 years old, 3 years married with my loving foreign husband. I can tell that not all Filipina are bad because I got married with my husband because of love, and I can tell all my Filipina aquaintance here in my place are so in love with their foreign husband too. We sincerely sorry to all foreigner who have been hurt by the other Filipina, so we are just saying to other foreigner who keep saying all Filipina are bad :(
Marriage between a filipina and an older male more commonly, though younger ones for cultural expectations from ethnic backgrounds, of the US, Canada and AU can be a positive arrangement if the male is realistic about what potential assets he brings to the table and the needs as well as the familial placement, needs and morality of her kin.I am not a filipina though made close enough friendships with one and her female relatives. They started with the first woman who had the better English competancy and later she and her spouse facilitated links for more marriages. They eventually admitted that they were choosing with their head and not their heart.The local possible infatuations or former husbands of some who were deceased in criminal sidelines only would offer more doom , chaos and poverty.Wheras their western world option meant stability, economically and in most cases more respectful treatment for themselves, any existing child or future children as well as support to family remaining.The best deals men got regardless of age were if they had the capacity to be respectful, not abusive, adequetly provide for those, especially filipinas less able to gain employment OS, plus clearly have no relatives dependant on inheriting whenever the spouse would die.This network contained women who were well educated to medium education levels and English proficiency to a few who may speak English but literacy or recognisable skills were negligable. According to how well the men would behave and had funds to pass on would be the age discrepancy accepted and could overall rely on being treated exceptionally well.They had strong censorship of their own members for any disloyalty or failure not to stick to the unstated bargains like being lazy in housekeeping or overetly self indulgent.Infidelity was totally unacceptable.The reasons of proper conduct amongst filipinas was based on part integrity and part pragmatics on benefitting from goodwill help from OS and other relatives potential to get marriages from the western men's links. Abuse from husbands was not accepted, even the husbands putting a stop to such whenever possible. It was accepted they only parted at the natural death of any husband, most living far longer due to their good care. Were there frustrations at times, yes, but far less than in second relationships most older men would face with breakdowns.In most couplings they developed strong attatchements including children from before or after the marriage. Realistic understanding would come with some initial annoyance by the men though followed by constructive adjustments in the main. If men want to contemplate a filipina marriage, they do need to look at who they are going to the bargaining table with seriously. Pecuniarty pragmatics will always be behind the motives, not love as Filipinas tend to be in an even more idealised sphere of romance or have even higher standards of attractiveness where lust operates, being like western women of 50 years ago. A woman not held by tradition and the church, as well as guarded by kin is asking for disappointment. Even when she may not start out with the worst of motives she will crumble to the temptations of the western world's gloss,seeming potential for money, liberty and endless unrealistic aspirations. Furthermore, you need to select healthy, relatively happy, confident female that will integrate well enough. Like you would with getting a puppy or kitten rules and for the same reasons. Not meant to be demeaning this comparison and strong positive Filipinas would get what I'm saying. A filipina bride, for the men who are open to the realistic positives and preparedness to expand culturally and be fair in their part of the bargain when selected wisely can be a positive option. The men presuming too simplistically, that they can snare young flesh,madly in love with you girl, still live a western marriage except for the plus of traditional submissiveness and domestic skills, is a serious delusion. If the Filipina is easy to get, no traditional shackles, she will be just as easy to go. Good marriages universally are those that have respect, caring and commitment to a spouse operating functioninh from the basis of a friend, buisness partner and occasional sex buddy once the in love and lust stage fades. With a filippina you are realistically just going directly to that basis if the buisness merger contains acceptable gains and sacrifices to both parties.
like i say before nothing wrong with working honest and get a honest day pay but when greed take over and they sleeping around and if they cant get their ways then they turn the table on those men by killing them sometimes,tell lies and most of them men end up in jail, PH WOMEN walking away smiling all the way to the bank now tell me that aint evil.
@honeybear22, love do you all people know what love is,you all was taught how to rob for your family and that all matter sooner or later your husband will find out the hard way
@Tally
You are also moron! Insecure Gay like TanfromAustralia, although you are both the same person! FYI my husband is not rich, nor handsome, he is a simple 32 years old and residing to work here in Philippines, and we are renting my parents 1 apartment. Get a life Moron! People like you and TanfromAustralia are TFA kind of foreigner!
all the women from PH come on here talking about their husband from a other country, i never read one say i love my husband from my country, why is there no men over there, or they too poor for you all women, been poor is not a crime greed is.
@honeybear22 if you love your people so much why you didnt marry a man from your country?
@Tally
I can smell your attitude problem! Gosh! I am sure even from your country nobody wants to like you, it is because you are so quick to judge, your like the judge in the Court of Supreme! Because of that I will send you your thropy and I will build you an statue, but where you want to put? In your country, or here in Philippines, or we can put that in the middle of the sea, I am sure even the shark will avoid you once they smell your attitude problem, they don't want to be infected by your attitude LOL
Honeybear22 see you cant answer my question ,curse all you want call me names all you want am going to make sure none of you people invade my paradise that i call home so curse i don't care oh am sorry the truth burn hole in you.
@Tally
My husband is my destiny. God gave me the man of my life from a distance. 23 years of my life I never had a boyfriend, until my husband came.
@Honeybear22, why didn't you marry a man from your country ANSWER MY QUESTION oh i just remember they cant help you take care of your whole family and you cant kill them because you have nothing to get if you do.that is you'll women from there country trade mark after marriage.
DON'T RUN FROM WHAT AM ASKING, the truth please if you so honest why cant you answer.
@Honeybear22 - All over this board, we hear filipinas posting about how they married for love, not all filipinas are bad, etc. The truth is we are SEEING in REAL society for the last 10 years disaster scenarios of men being scammed, fleeced, losing all their assets to filipinas and their families in PH, marriages and families broken, men being killed, children in broken homes because their dad was seduced by a filipina and got her pregnant therefore their parents divorced, old people being abused by filipina maids, filipinas who married or scammed older foreign men for a visa, then left him pretty quick to go around seducing younger men who are married or have a gf, therefore wrecking more people's lives in foreign societies. Many of these filipinas get in to the US and straight into TNT status. They don't even care if the marriage in the US actually takes place for them to get a green card or citizenship. What do they do with no employable skills in a first world country? They whore and scam the next victim. SEEING IS BELIEVING!
Understand that this board, and the many like this all over the internet, is NOT just about you and your "happy loving marriage" story. It is about the EXTREMELY HIGH NUMBERS of horror stories filipinas have brought into foreign societies scamming men. We have to address the problem collectively and as a whole.
Filipinas like to keep saying "other countries also like that". There are statistics in the US that prove the highest number of fiancee visas are applied for filipinas. Perhaps in Australia and UK too. Why is that? There are literally tens of thousands of filipina dating/mail-order brides websites all over the internet offering women from your country to foreign men. It wouldn't be too difficult to do a quick count in comparison to other countries to prove that the highest number of these sites are from the Philippines, so not "all countries are also the same".
The BBC produced a documentary shown on TV recently of poor filipino women having so many babies every day the hospitals can hardly cope. It was a one-in-one-out situation. Why are the poor people in your country birthing so many babies when there are abandoned street kids all over the country, begging, because their parents have no money to even feed them? Let alone give them a proper upbringing for them to grow up into useful citizens for the future of your society?
Now is the big question - are the poor people in the Philippines deliberately giving birth to more children as tools to make money from foreigners...as beggars when they are young, as prostitutes and mail-order brides as soon as they are old enough? We know that human traffickers send recruiters into the villages to scout for this "human commodity" for trafficking to other countries for prostitution. The big picture is now becoming clearer to us that the poor people of the Philippines is breeding people as a means of livelihood. This is a very serious and unhealthy threat that we foreigners must protect our societies against.
honeybear22 you can feed anyone with bullshit and call it peanut butter but for me NO.
@Tally
I am sure nobody making you a cup of tea, served and cook your meals, washing your clothes, look after your children, kiss you and greet you every morning with a smile that full of love, to text you I love you, and I miss you, giving you TLC, waiting for you at the window/door when you get home. You are so bitter Moron! Maybe you have a "Maid" is she's all around?
ANSWER MY QUESTION, AM GOOD I WORK FOR A LIVING AND WHAT YOU DO?
Ok guys nite nite and lighten' up I am going to sleep.
@Tally
You asking me what I do well I look after my husband and our child.
honeybear22 run but you cant hide the truth hurt so bad poor baby girl see you cant answer me so you is one of them please send that woman child home,if he go missing i will hunt you down and prosecute you to the full extent of the law
why did you marry american and not one of your people that the question
you so lazy go find a job and stop living off the man, my job to make sure bring him back home to his family watch me do it
@DrSmith there so many men who never return to their families they where all kill some bodies was found while some didn't.
This is one of the worst days of my life I just found this out about yesterday. My father wants to break off with my mom after he was in the Philippines for about a year. The fact is that my parents have been married for about 30 years and it was a bumpy marriage but why all of a sudden?
This cunning whore even had a baby which I never knew of. This is how I found out about my father. I was just browsing through facebook and she posted a picture of my dad having s*x with her and the next day she posted a picture of a baby. I was shocked.. It was like she wantedto start a war with me and I know her intentions. My father is currently not in the Philippines but, she is trying to lure my father back (a married man), for my fathers last name and she has been making my father send her money in the past few months giving her excuse.
The thing is, she is 23 years old and my father is 63. My mom is 53, I feel very bad because my father is doing this because my mother is not young anymore. My youngest sibling is my sister who is now 7 years old.
I have grown accustomed into hating Filipinas because they have been causing us troble in the past. They Love White men I've knowticed. This is a fact for not only Filipinas but Asians.
I am really saddened, my father betrayed my whole family. We were together but he wants to break off with us just after a year. For a fact a prostitute has no rights to use her son as part of my fathers. It is their daily routine and she should not expect too much..
I think she has been planning this for a while because all her friends have a white husband and I've even seen then posting naked pictures even though they are married.
I have heard several stories from my moms friends of family break ups after going to the philippines.
-To all families, be aware. They are heartless leeches.
To A. Nony Mouse, (and any like him) it may help you to sustain your ego in coming up with rationalisations that fit temporary social dermographics of why you ended up with no one. Most likely you overestimated yourself as a package deal and aimed beyond your station.In your case, physical and material fitness might have given you a foot in the door with some ladies at the calibre of what you deemed you deserved, but you've constantly failed to mesure up. Generally means you get boring to be with and no shakes in the cot(other men may have had other minuses) Your too long in the tooth to change enough for learning or adjusting enough to western women. Your best bet is with displaying an increased (realistic) humility of a modest aging man, and to get a filipina who can be more tolerant about a beneficial marriage. It can be done safely via existing US Fillipino Social Groups.They welcome new interested men who inquire discretely about wanting to know of open events to understand the culture more since hoping to travel there soon. Many members are keen to have decent relatives marry and come out too. From such groups events it isn't hard to see which kin groups of filipinas have enduring, good enough, loyal marriages and how their husbands fare. If they approve of you they are often able to make links to very suitable wives. Do stick to the younger ages of 26-28yos simply because they are more adaptable to the resettlement in another country. But only get one who already has one or two children as they are more mature and realistic. They will tend to want to have your child even if it's to secure your ties to them. Western wives expect husbands to be a major source of personal fullfillment. Not filipinas, who are usually vibrantly occupied by running a house, family,looking after the husband, keeping in touch with other filipinas, kin and even keeping up with some hobbies. If a family context isn't quickly achieved, a misery of differences takes over.
Ahh and one more thing. This woman knew, she could've had an abortion. She just wanted to keep my father under her finger.
I became very disgusted.
@Nevermind, please show your father this hub please don't allow him to die, please am begging you don't allow him to marry her either stop the process no more dead men am so sick of them
He told me not to talk to him for a few days. I feel so bad for my mother. I will send him the link though.
Thanks & regards
A few things that people don't address.
Most of the men done over by a filipina wouldn't dream of buy a car or property or pedigree puppy with as little evaluation and checks. So what do you expect?!
The money shared overseas is generally very reasonable, not that excessive and very often through a filipina wife working extra hard to do this bit.I think this is normal and it does and has happened in the western world according to economic neccesity amongst decent folk always.Western economies with increasing aged and need to reign in welfare will be doing much more in this direction. In some US states children can be prosecuted if an indigent parent is not assisted. It's anticipated with economic downturns these laws will become a reality to consider.
The Filipina parents rarely quit working once their kids work, unless they are crumbling in health. There is no subsidised medical treatments or medicines in the Philipines so earlier health collapses can occur. There is no pensions except for certain public servant jobs for the aged or disabled.
Family networks with both pride and pragmatism for long term returns are very careful of whom they let any daughters marry OS and instil strong standards of conduct so they open opportunities for others to get a good deal OS as well. The sooner they can establish an OS group of female kin the sooner they have support, monotoring and guidance to steer a reasonable course in these mixed marriages.
The earlier stages of these mixed marriages were more cautious. Some older men, not the sleezes, but retired widowed or divorced men were told of the option by mixed marriage friends when revealing lonliness. After a year of letter writing they would only then be invited to visit in a supervised family setting the prospective bride.That way the family got to check them out too. Later on writing for a few months amongst known persons to kin were accepted.The few younger childless brides did get chastised strongly for any lapses as any men not behaving with enough respect.Many of these men and their wives had gains not possible otherwise.This takes careful scrutiny from all sides.
There are obviously happily married filipinas with their own country men. Yet it's admitted that many of their males are spoilt, egotistic, good time guys with a penchant for bits of criminal activity and violent chaotic situations. Poverty there can encourage men's avirice too. Early widowhood or being duped has left a number of decent girls single parents with poorer prospects in their own country and they, not the single cutie with no kids is a safer bet if from a good family.
The hard working educated filipina can make money in her own country and does stay. She is rarely well off helping her kin around her less fortunate.
The situation of filipinas and their families is really outside of most Westerners understanding. Disparaging judgements are disgustingly wrong, just as attempts at exploitation or hopes of fantasy, escapism via filipinas.
Desperate and harsh poverty can create abusive growing years creating a callous approach to both demeaning oneself and others. Many more filipinas in the Phillipines have endured that than those who manage to be respectably poor and the earlier filipina wives who were a safe bet for marriage in the main, while often at risk of abuse once OS. In the earliest years, not all men who took a filipina bride intended to abuse or kill her, sometimes it was an appallingly bad and sad response to cultural differences not understood and ensuing insecurity.
What works is if people can match the needs of both parties being met where respect is sustained with appreciation of the gains remembered.
Because even the most fantasy prone aged lothario can understand the body language, word slips of their own culture, the younger gold digging slut from their own country can't fool him or herself more than a few days at best.
The pretence of the lower class filipina gold digger is no better. Her hearts not in it, they really aren't good at pretending without leaking cues,just a bit differently from western whores. Many OS man are culturally narrow and can miss picking these up, the rest is avoidance.
The only men who get done over are ones who chose to take their fetish fantasy too far.
The reason so many filipinas on working visas keep hunting with limited long term outcomes is the lack of fetished men. They are not that good as actresses, quite transparent really.
The filipina who has adjusted well to living OS and has found a meaningful life is always penny wise.
The filipina who becomes demanding in endless purchases turns out to always be significantly depressed and privately despondant about her current life situation and relationship.
To an extent there will always be things neither culture will understand of the other, simply by having lived in such different circumstances. That ought to be a good reminder to reserve making judgements on the other culture and to exercise good judgement regarding interactions. The stories of negativity and being duped tell so much more about the calibre of men who succumbed than the women accused. Personal inadequacy and limited self awareness are serious defecits that aren't near being addressed while focusing on blaming the other party. These men ought to be asking what is it about them that caused them to get in such a position with such ludicrous outcomes. Opportunitic behaviours born out of desperation for survival of self and kin are sometimes the coping mechanisms of those from very deprived backgrounds.
@Tally behind TanfromAustralia
You are so stupid, dirty old man who have been failed to find your true love because no one is deserved to be with you, you deserved to be alone for the rest of your life because you are such an arrogant saggy moron from planet of the apes! You are the stupid person in the world of SMART PEOPLE in your own world! Arrogant! Moron! Abnormal!
Does anyone have an idea or answer as to why most of the men who wouldn't dream of buying a car or property or pedigree puppy without proper evaluation and checks get so easily done over by a filipina?
We have heard many of these are not men who just fell off a turnip truck, but well-educated men who are academically and professionally successful. Some have gone against warnings of family and friends to marry the filipina. Still others seem to see it necessary to come online and altercate with posters in a bid to justify their decision.
So how come men can be so prudent in all other aspects of their lives yet so easily fall into the trap of scamming gold digging filipinas. Why?
i would like to comment that not all filipina women are distrustful maybe few of them but not all. i'am a filipina also and i heard a lots about it. i hate some other filipina who act like opportunist to other foreigners because they destroy the good images of some good filipina. but my advice to some foreigners they need to chose some good filipina cause opportunist people are trying to make them a fool.
@ tally:
I can't believe u..I read all your comments and I bet u r a woman! are u? ur acting like one...Hmmmmmmmmm!
@Tally
People will treat you the way you treat them, if you are bad, they will be bad too, if you are worst they are worse.
@tally
I am sure you live alone, nobody wants to be with you because you are stupid bugger! My husband says you are bitter because you are not happy with your life, you are Smart intelligent person from somewhere but no one is like to be with you! You blaming all Filipina because you never had a good Filipina or good relationship with your life. Youa re bitter because you are failed! Because you are moron!
@ honeybear22:
he is just jealous because we are happy with our life now...and obviously he's not.
@beauty
Yes it is true. Good foreigner deserves a good life with a good Filipina. And absolutely that TALLY and TanfromAustralia are not because I am sure they have an attitude that we can't take. I am sure they are TFA, look the way they talk about Filipina!
so, Tally and TanfromAustralia GET A LIFE!
@Honeybear22:
The only thing you are "sure" of is that you're a scammer. Turning the finger back on other people is indicative of your inability to accept that they say about you is true.
"Good foreigner deserves a good life with a good Filipina".
Bullshit. Try instead:
"Undeserving foreigners will be scammed by undeserving filipinas".
@TanfromAustralia
Oh ur back, I am sure TALLY has fell asleep. You are full of BS bugger moron! You can't always blame the fault to all Filipina, some foreigners are playboy, alcoholic, and violent so the relationship will never be workout, some Filipina experiencing that so they are thinking how to escape in that situation, fed up! Most Filipina! I am sure you are violent, TanfromAustralia and I am sure you are BS Artist, you talk alot than the woman!
@Honeybear22:
You're an idiot who makes no sense. You're just here to defend your life choices because you've prostituted yourself.
@Tally
I am not and never been a prostitute! Moron! Yeah ofcourse I am here to defend a Filipina, stupid moron! Your such a chicken ass mouth, BS Artist, and a gay bugger. Shame on you moron! You are TFA, BS and a trash! Give your self a life! Get a life moron!
@Tally
You will never find your someone to love you, because you don't deserves any love, any care, in any ways because you are such a judgmental abnormal moron from hell!
@Honeybear22:
The more angry you get, the more I realise it must be true.
@Honeybear22:
Your screen name sounds like a dating profile screen name.
I guess you reading this entire thread must seem self-reflexive in that it is a biography of your life choices...
@Tally
You are such a stupid intelligent, what do you want me to use as a screename? Your name? Stupid! I am not angry nor pissed I am enjoying with your very intellectual belief. Moron! And you are asking why I marry foreigner than a Filipino Man, well it is simply because God gave me my destiny to be a wife of foreigner! I do not care about your FBS opinion about my life. It is about you are talking about women in my country! Moron! You are very intelligent that's why you are getting out of your mind, too much brainy makes you look funny! Hahahaha.
@Tally
Reading one of your comment about Filipina is enough to know that you discriminating all Filipina. Moron! Your so intelligent, who do you think you are? Stupid Moron! You deserve to burn in your own matches! You are such a bad person, the way you talk about Filipina!
WHEN YOU MARRY A FILIPINA, JUST KEEP IN MIND TO PREPARE YOURSELF TO DISH OUT A SHIT LOAD OF CASH JUST TO SUSTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP. WHEN YOU DATE A FILIPINA WITH A BIG FAMILY, JUST KNOW THAT WHEN YOU START TO FALL FOR THAT GIRL AND HER FAMILY IS LITERALLY THE SIZE OF MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE, YOU NOT ONLY MARRY HER, YOU MARRY EVERYONE. HER BROTHERS, SISTERS, UNCLES, AUNTS, WILL START TO ASK TO BORROW MONEY AND NEVER RETURN IT. YES I SAID BORROW BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD THEY LIKE TO USE IN ADDITION TO " I'M SO SHY TO ASK" WHICH MEANS, SUCKER IF YOU FALL FOR IT. YES I AM SPEAKING OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES BECAUSE MOST OF FILIPINA DREAM OF GOING TO ANOTHER FOREIGN COUNTRY. THEY WILL SUCK YOU DRY AND MAKE YOU DO IN DEBT AND MAYBE SOON OR LATER LEAVE YOU. NOW HERE IS THE SAD THING, I AM A GOOD LOOKING ASIAN GUY WHO HAS MORE THAN 40 PLUS GIRLFRIENDS IN HIS LIFETIME. UNFORTUANTELY I AM NOT INTO THE AMERICANIZED GIRLS, TRIED IT, BEEN THROUGH IT AND DONE THAT, BUT DID NOT WORK. JUST WASN'T DIGGIN IT. SO THOUGHT ABOUT GOING OVERSEAS TO THE PHILLIPPINES TO FIND A WIFE AND YES THERE ARE SOME GOOD ONES, BUT EXTREMELY HARD TO FIND. AND WHEN YOU ACTUALLY FIND ONE, THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY ALREADY HAVE THEIR EYES ON THE PRIZE READY TO SUCK YOU DRY. KEEP IN MIND THAT FILIPINOS HAVE NO SHAME AND THEY ARE ABOUT THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE IN GOOD FINANCIAL SITUATION OR NOT BECAUSE EVEN AFTER YOU TELL THEM THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY OVER SPENT, THEY STILL WILL TRY TO DIG INTO YOUR POCKETS. THE GIRLS YOU MARRY THERE, KEEP IN MIND, YOU ARE NOT MARRIED TO JUST HER, SHE WILL MAKE YOU HELP HER ENTIRE FAMILY, AND THEIR FAMILY, AND THEIR FAMILY. SAD BUT TRUE. SO IF YOU START TO LOOK IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR A WIFE, BE READY TO BE BROKE. AND THEN YOU HOPE THAT THEY WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE AFTERWARD, THAT IS IF THEY WILL. AND IF YOU DEFEND YOURSELF, YOUR WIFE WILL GET MAD. THEN YOU ARGUE, THEN YOU ARE STUCK IN A CRAP LIFE FOR GOOD. SO BEFORE YOU START TO LOOK INTO MARRYING A FILIPINA, JUST KNOW THEY WILL SUCK YOU DRY AND THEN HAVE NO SHAME ABOUT DOING THAT, IT'S THEIR CULTURE. OH YEAH, PREPARE SHIT TALKING TOO, THEY TALK A LOT OF TRASH SO IF YOU DON'T MIND THEM TALKING TRASH ABOUT YOU OUT OF JEALOUSY, THEN YOU SHOULD MARRY THEM. IF YOU CAN TURN AN EYE AND NOT MIND IT, THEN JUST FOCUS ON PROTECTING YOUR POCKETS BECAUSE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY SUCKED YOU DRY. HIT IT AND QUIT IT... WELL SAID
I c'mon that's you tan, your the one who always say you are good looking. And Asian guy, of all the asain countries, why philippines? Why not from you home country?
People here can't accept the fact that not all filipinas are scammers and whores and they talk about flipino's culture as if they know any better. Especially tan who enumerated cultures and values of Filipinos that are far from what a true, pinoy pride culture and values.
People here did not ever denied anything about having bad apples., if there's a million filipinos and you met 100 scamming filipina bitches, and being not filipino that's a lot. So is itt right for you to say that that million are scammers and whores?
It's just sad that you encountered those type of people who are shameless and doesn't know anything about pride.
To DrSmith, it's not a tradition in the Philippines to give money to the father of the bride. A "Dowry" is common to Indians and to Arabs but not Filipinos.
If you have been to the Philippines there are areas that are slum and some are posh.
Not all wants to marry a foreigner and not all who are married to foreigners are poor.
No, it's really not me.
You just can't accept that is how the majority of the world feels about the filipino people.
I am not a one-man crusade. I cannot have been responsible for all of the available internet resources on this subject matter.
I realise that the truth is hard for you to accept.
Majority of the world?
Not really..
I want to know why this Asian guy picked the Philippines if majority of the world really hates filipinos?
I say this hub is very much indeed helpful. One should be careful in marrying someone or having a relationship with, if you are talking about Filipinos only then better just stay away. Successful marriages or relationships that started online are not common.
A relationship that started on the wrong foot will end up wrong as well. A man leaving his family for another woman, a woman knowing the man has family and yet continue flirting, having a relationship with is immoral. Marrying someone for green card is definitely wrong and shameless thing to do. Asking money or letting your family asked for money is even more unacceptable.
These filipinas reacting to the comments are not defending the scammers and whores but just saying not all married to foreigners are bad. Nobody wants to be judged because of your ethnicity.
@Honeybear22, you come back and cannot answer my question, for the pass 9 years i have seem read, how many men get scam or kill so please,i hear people come on here defending them, they have no clue like i say for people they can only see down the road but if you have eyes of CIA,you will see all the things they doing , i must admit they are a very cleaver much well train, the educated or uneducated they used the same trend.
Honeybear22 my my the truth hurts so bad why don't you start crying,everything i write here is true and i can back it up with information that i can post also,so baby girl , you need to stop scam and find yourself a job.
honeybear22 there are 7107 island in the PH and out of that amount 2000 are inhabited you women telling me there no job no men who you all can married and satisfied with your life , you people find away to kill scam rob western so sad
It's heartbreaking to read all these nasty comments about Filipinas. Honestly, you foreigners need to do a background check first before even thinking about tying the knot. The internet is very tricky and I suggest giving it a minimum of 2 years steady relationship before suggesting marriage. There are a lot of educated Filipinas who have stable careers and able to provide for themselves, why would you settle for women who haven't had any education or job or feeding a family? and when it gets ugly, you'd stereotype. I'm a Filipina married to a Canadian and we've been together for 11 years. And I'M PAYING HIS BILLS! Simply for the reason that I love him so much and since I earn more than he does, that's no longer a question.
It's heartbreaking to read all these nasty comments about Filipinas. Honestly, you foreigners need to do a background check first before even thinking about tying the knot. The internet is very tricky and I suggest giving it a minimum of 2 years steady relationship before suggesting marriage. There are a lot of educated Filipinas who have stable careers and able to provide for themselves, why would you settle for women who haven't had any education or job or feeding a family? and when it gets ugly, you'd stereotype. I'm a Filipina married to a Canadian and we've been together for 11 years. And I'M PAYING HIS BILLS! Simply for the reason that I love him so much and since I earn more than he does, that's no longer a question.
@beauty i dont hate people i hate the things which is not honest, every day of my life i have been asked by one person from your country telling lie just to get money, their stories always, never fit the truth,so it lead me on a road to dig deep to see who really are those people they are no better then them scam people from Nigeria but i must say they more clever then them
@Lol:
If you don't believe in the word "majority", then answer me this: how many internet resources can you find on the internet are consistent with the views I have expressed? All "good" things written about the filipino people on the internet are written by themselves, which is subjective.
There is a universal bad reputation that the filipino people have earnt by the things that THEY have done. Reputation is not earnt in isolation and overnight. Rather, it is earnt by consistent behaviour and traits by a large group of people over a long period of time.
I can accept that there are a small group of good filipino people, but the majority are just bad eggs.
You saying that you don't want to be judged about your ethnicity is fine. You may be different, who knows? But don't pretend to whitewash or water down the extensive problems with your own culture.
You say that marrying someone for a greencard and letting your family asking for money is "wrong". I may very well believe that you mean that, but do you deny that those goals characterise the majority of filipinas? Don't whitewash by saying "some". I would like you to dig up some statistics to prove your argument if you disagree with me.
The word "some" has been used a lot by filipino posters in this thread. That gives it little context or at the most seems to suggest that only a small number of filipinas are primarily motivated by emigration and finances when seeking out foreign men to marry...
@Missus:
Performing a background check does not reveal a person's true motivation if they are intent on hiding it.
99.9% of t PH REAL HARD CORE HEARTLESS PEOPLE THE 1% ARE OLD AND CANT DO MUCH SO THEY TEACH THE YOUNGER, WHAT TO DO
@Michael:
I think that you did the right thing by using BLOCK letters in your post as it comes across as a loud verbal warning.
From my experience, the issues raised in your post are consistent with what my former male clients went through. Furthermore, it is consistent with the contents of a lot of internet resources.
Men have been sharing virtually the same experiences, albeit with slightly different words.
@Missus i know how you feel it every information that is here is true,many people think it out of hate no your people is doing too much harm to others, most of these men didn't meet them on the net
@Tally
You're such a gossip stupid moron! You are such a gago, tsismoso at kulang kulang! Takenote: Abnormal! You should be a lawyer of your BS! You really hate the Filipina ha, I am sure because she dumped you like a trash because you are such a bad person! Come here in Philippines and I will drown you in our 7 thousand plus of Island. Moron! Well, plenty of foreigners won't believe you guys who are married to a Filipina because they are happy now. So don't you dare say all Filipina! You are bitter because you don't have a love! Moron!
reading this blog makes me laugh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah, tansfromhell your insane man, all of a sudden i remember my grandpa words* lilltllllllllleeeeee knowledge is dangerouse,hahahaha
@Tally
La la la la la sing a happy song! Get a life man! relax and enjoy life! Don't make yourself stress!
Tally and TanfromAustralia are both moron, because they are one person behind!
@Honeybear22:
If you didn't sound like such a stupid idiot, I could believe that you are adding something worthwhile to this thread.
As it is, you are just wasting the posting space in this thread.
You don't have to justify your choice of being a prostitute to anyone. We all get it.
You seem to fit the profile of the kind of people we have been discussing in this thread.
@TanfromAustralia
I hope one day you will learn to use the word "SOME" But since you are moron, I don't know if that one day will come! Hahahahaha
@TanfromAustralia
I hope one day you will learn to use the word "SOME" But since you are moron, I don't know if that one day will come! Hahahahaha
@Honeybear22:
Can you tell me which dating sites you are on? I am curious to check out your profile. I am interested as to how you sell yourself.
Perhaps the irritating hyperbole you have displayed in your posts is reflected in the false image of yourself that you have created in your profile and advertise to 65 year old men.
How typically filipina of you...!
You can only fool some of the people some of the time.
And there is no way anyone can enjoy sucking a 65 year old penis, despite how much one may pretend to enjoy it.
@TanfromAustralia
If i am idiot what about you? Mongoloid? Well, I guessed so! The whole package, you are saying that all Filipina are bad! You are saying you are the right one here, you are the one who should to believe? You should meet your soul in your dream and die since you don't get a life! Please welcome The very intelligent TANFROMAUSTRALIA he can tell whats in your mind, he knows everything waaaaahhhh go to hell! Dirty Old Man that full of hatred!
I'm a "moron"? And yet I have 3 university degrees.
I never had to do prostitute myself. And I certainly never had to hire a prostitute.
If I wanted a prostitute, I would go to the Philippines and hook up with a filipina.
My male friends tell me that filipinas are so cheap that you can pay them for sex with a can of coke. Would you accept a KFC meal?
That extent of desperation does not accord with the bloated sense of arrogance and narcissism that filipinas display about themselves.
Beggars can't be choosers.
@Honeybear22:
I am not necessarily saying that "all filipinas are bad".
What I am saying that you represent everything that is despicable about a filipino woman (through your postings).
You are confirming the stereotypes that most people hold about you and your culture.
@TanfromAustralia
Thank you for the KFC but would you mind if I buy you a Burger King with Cappuccino? I never prostitute myself either moron! I can give you an advice, well go back to your 3 University where you finished your major course as a CERTIFIED MORON, and learn something new apart discriminating people from Philippines! Woooooohh your such a dork!
Honeybear22, i just love when the true hurts so bad that people start calling people who trying to do good in this world, i set out to do a job and it must be done, say the hell out my country, we have problems of our own and we are dealing with it not running to other countries and try scam our way then kill them to get their wealth.
Nite nite guys need to sleep early for a wonderful day for my daughter and for my husband tomorrow. So excited!
@Tally
It is not hurt. Where it should be hurt? Come and visit Philippines and meet my husband and I and we will tour you all the places called tourist spot here in Philippines.
honeybear i been there,i have visited the tourist spot the villages so there nothing you can say to me what i don't know
if you people from PH hate what we write encourage your people to stop doing wrong.
@virgo, shhhhhhhh.am saying it again all you people have to do is turn from been which bastards and stop killing people for their money and then we will stop writing
@honeybear22: I thought happy PH wives married to foreigners spend ALL their time taking care of husband, children, home, etc. Why are you on here running your mouth--degrading others? Don't you know that your words are telling a lot about your character? Feel sorry for your husband as I am sure you berate him too when you hear things you don't like to hear. So you marry him and then spend all this time on internet???
Jist of this hub: Many PH chics are scammers. They are very deceitful and hide it in their coy behaviors UNTIL they get their catch. They are actors (the definition of hypocrit). They are white washed tombs---hiding their degrading sins with white paint!!!! Because many have bad behaviors, they reflect poorly on innocent good Filippinas.
The only way to change your culture and this stereotyped belief of foreigners is to FIRST admit your country has this problem---only then can you change it. Defending it doesn't change a thing!!!!
I am a Filipina married to a Canadian man, my husband and I living together for almost 6 years, he love me very much and I love him too. Our age gap is 32 years. I was 29 years old when we had our serious relationship. We lived together for 3 years and then in 2010 we decided to get married, we are still very happy with our marriage life. We love and respect each other.
@ tally or tan from australia:
Come here please...I need to staple your mouth! the only thing you need to do is to MOVE ON! I feel pity for u...and I am wondering why you spend too much time just to post comments here. Stop saying bad about filipina because we are not saying bad about ur fellow country men also. I hope you know the word "RESPECT"....Respect yourself and others will respect you too. MOVE ON! MOVE ON! MOVE ON! MOVE ON!
I am very much acquainted with Americans and they are wise to know what is really happening in the world..
Saying all Filipinos are bad is definitely not acceptable.
We are not defending the scammers and the whores. And i do really suggest that this hub should be read by all foreigners who are planning to look for love in the Philippines.
A person's posting is definitely a reflection of his/her character. And if i can judge a person here with their postings....well I won't deflect the subject anyway.
In general I really hate homewreckers and scammers regardless of their nationality for I was a victim of a homewrecker too. But this is all about the Filipina bitches and not all women in the world. Right?
So Just be careful of those Filipina scammmers and better stay away from the Filipinos. Have a relationship with someone who is already in your own country for you to know the person better.
@nancy I've read your experience. I do hope you find true happiness and i don't wanna wish anything bad to happen to anyone but tables will turn and hope they will realized the pain that they've caused you and your children. That woman whatsoever has no right to have what your children supposed to be having(financial support).
@tally goodluck on your goal. I hope you can get those Filipinas deported. I really feel sorry for those Filipinos who are really working hard to support their family, they are being judged already because of their nationality and not that we can blame the locales.
Well you cant blamem much for leaving the phillipines no airconditioning hundred degrees plus year round hell yeh wheres my man at i would get the hell outta there to and my friend of mine told me of his friend who
invested heavily into one he met on facebook went over there to spend some time with her and her family when they finally got in bed she had a bigger dick than he did .That was a shocker
Oh yeh DrSmith sounds like true $$$$$LOVE$$$$$ dont it buddy u dumb bastard leavin youre fat ass wife like that you mustve had the yellow fever and shes got the green fever she will drain youre ass dry buddy run like hell!!!!!! Dammit Boy!
Ole Leroy back again i like big women my last ho i called her hurricane gussie she had big titz like coconutz and liked to piss on me she said those was the warm tropical waves anyway i told her baby dont know if i can make love in that kinda weather so had to find somethin not so wild.She wieghs 420lbs naked likes to smoke kali weed me and hers a couple got a trike she sets in the back when we ride in parades.She has lots of tatoos when we makin love listenin to clarence carter i be strokin and those tatoos are like a movin picture show ooooo la la and those tatas go ta ta ta ta hahhahahahahaha! goddam boy and you got the yellow fever Doc!
@Chloe, shut up you have no clue what going on with your people see they working and breaking up homes under the quiet so shut the hell up am making sure all them go home i don't give a shit what you or any one say,am doing justices for my country and my people so f off
Chloe bahamians don't come to your country, your people came in my country and trying to turn it as how they have theirs and i vow my life to fight them, shipping back ever last one marry or not go home where they come from they are not welcome if that the kinda stuff they doing
TELL YOUR PEOPLE GET OUT MY COUNTRY THAT THE ONLY PARADISE I HAVE TO CALL HOME AND I DEAR THEM HOE BECAUSE AM SENDING THEM PACKING, I WILL HUNT THEM DOWN WITH THE IMMIGRATION OFFICES AND PACK THEIR ASS BACK HOME AM TIRED OF THEIR SHIT ROBBING OTHER WOMEN OF THEIR HUSBAND CAUSE PROBLEM FOR THEIR KIDS I DONT GIVE ASS WHAT NO ONE SAY IT MY COUNTRY MY PEOPLE WHAT I LIKE FOR MYSELF I GIVE TO OTHERS IT IT NOT THEIR HUSBANDS SO PISS ON YOU, I KNOW PLENTY PH READ THIS TELL THEM WHAT I SAY BECAUSE IT COMING AM NOT JOKING THIS IS NOT PH
Tally ho Tally they probably even tryin to smoke up all that good erb ya growin down there to mon shippem back on a leaky boat man they got yellow fever in bahamas to dammit boy!!!
@Nancy:
Honeybear22 has a beef because she finds the truth hard to accept.
LETS JUST FACE THE TRUTH THAT 95% OF THE FILIPINOS ARE SELFISH, OPPORTUNIST, AND THE AGE GAP DIFFERENCE EXAMPLE GIVEN OF 50 YEAR OLD MAN WITH 21 YEAR OLD WOMAN SAYS IT ALL. THEY JUST WANT TO GET OUT OF POVERTY AND SEEK ELSEWHERE, ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE PHILIPPINES. I AM ASIAN AMERICAN AND NOT CAUCASIAN. I AM NOT AFRAID TO ADMIT THE TRUTH BECAUSE I AM JUST TELLING THE TRUTH. FILIPINOS HAVE NO SHAME WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING MONEY AND THEY WILL GO TO THE EXTENT OF DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO LIVE A BETTER LIFE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE PHILIPPINES. MY ADVICE HAS ALWAYS BEEN JUST WATCH YOUR POCKETS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SHY TO ASK FOR MONEY FROM YOU IF YOU LET THEM. MAJORITY OF THE FILIPINOS DON'T HAVE MUCH AND AS SOON AS THEY HAVE A TASTE OF THE GOOD LIFE, THEY WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO SUCK YOU DRY. SORRY FOR THE FILIPINOS BUT JUST SPEAKING OF THE TRUTH. OH YEAH, JUST ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT FILIPINOS ARE TRASH TALKERS AND THEY WILL TALK ALL THE CRAP BEHIND YOUR BACK AND IN YOUR FACE THEY WILL PUT ON A SMILE. THIS IS THE CULTURE OF THE FILIPINO. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE MANY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, BUT BE PREPARED TO PAY FOR THEM. ENOUGH SAID
@LeroyClapsburg, you take this for joke but nothing to smile about them people cause too many problem all over the world and i dam them, am sending them packing i dont care if they married they have to go
@MIchael, I VOW TO SEND THEM PACKING WHO HAVE WORK PERMIT WILL NEVER SEE A NEXT ONE.THEY HAVE TO LEAVE.
for the guy that wanted to know why I picked the Philippines, well because the women there are more beautiful because of the Spanish Blood they have. The only thing is, sad but true, no matter how much Spanish look they have they're still filipinos. Filipinos don't have a good reputation because their actions speaks on it's own. I am just speaking the truth that's all.
Oh yeah, trust me, they all want to go to the US to work. You will hear that a lot so get used to it. When they use the word " I love you " that really means, I want to make money in another country to help the entire family and their family. LOVE? no such thing...
@Honeybear22. I know you know as well how the filipino culture is, i'm sorry but exposing the truth is only going to help people who might be thinking about going to the Philippines to find a wife. Lets just speak the truth that filipinos are opportunist and i'm sure you at one point wanted to leave the Philippines so that is why you decided to marry from outside your race. I know without having to know you that it's 100% true. And then you lucked out if that is the case that your husband just turned out to love you is why you are both together. But my point was your initial intent was to marry outside of the Philippines to seek a better life, " opportunist" . Sorry but i know i hit the nail in the head. And in case you call me a Moron like how you called tanfromaustralia a Moron, I am a young successful guy. I just like to help people by giving them the resources they deserve so that can make a better decision, that is it.
@Michael:
I was accusing of being you...
I totally agree with everything you are saying.
They just blatant accusations about us to deflect the truth of what we are saying.
@Tanfromaustralia. I know how you feel bro, that country is not a good news. Even the filipinos here are like that, it's in their blood. There is nothing wrong with trying to help people and give them facts so they can make a better decision in terms of thinking about finding their wife in the Philippines. Truth hurts but unfortunately it takes the experienced to speak of it like you and me.
@Michael:
You are totally correct.
There are a very few good filipino posters in this thread who have the insight and courage to admit the truth.
But the majority of filipino posters in this thread are intent on deflecting and throwing the truth right back in our faces. These actions reflect what sort of people they are in real life...the people that we are warning the world about.
It is ingrained within the filipino culture to blame others at all costs.
@ Tanfromaustralia. Oh yeah, thanks for pointing that out. They will look for ways to point fingers at you and it's never their fault for their own actions. They will always point fingers at foreigners accusing us of doing wrong. They know how to play the game well. I'm sure at one point they were taught from 1 to 5 years old to go abroad and do what it takes to get there so that they can save the entire family from poverty. Sad but true yes, it's okay to reveal the truth.
They blame foreign men for being "stupid" enough to be scammed, but won't admit the wrongness of them scamming the men in the first place. As if that is some kind of justification for the things that they do...
The concept of cultural pimping and prostitution as well as scamming has been so ingrained in the filipino culture that they are either unaware of it or they believe those practices are acceptable to live by.
The more they have to defend their wrong doings, the more it speaks for itself. For the ones who tried to go online and date a filipina, watch and see. As soon as you think they belong to you, their next step is to make up stories about how they need money for tuition fees, rent, books, food, and etc... Be prepared to listen to a sad story and if you fall for it, they will take your money if you have a good heart to fall for their stories. That is just one example.
For the ones that met them in person as oppose to the internet, you can't escape their blood lines of "going after your money". Don't believe me? Go ahead and try it if you dare to. If you are there in their country to hit it and quit it, sure you will have a great time. But if you are serious about marrying a filipina, wait 5 years and test her ways for 5 years and test their families for 5 years before you marry her. If you don't, you will be a victim like me. Oh yeah, in case for the readers thinking that I am some ugly fat guy, WRONG, i have no trouble finding women because they come to me. However, I am just now playing it safe making sure that I don't get scammed again by a filipina who wants to save their family going after foreigners for money.
@Michael:
I have every reason to believe you are who you say you are.
They make blatant and false accusations against me as well. They think that just because I say the truth and feel the way I do, then I must have been burnt by a filipina, etc., when in fact that is so far from the actual truth about me.
The extent to which their cultural values are ingrained within them can be demonstrated by the recent filipina posters here who have stated that "I'm different", etc., but they also revealed that they married foreign men and still remit money back home.
Oh my you are really sick talking to yourself. Or you found a clone. Very much the same posts. Very much the same praising oneself, accusing each and every filipino posters as whores. guess people who have pure dna are the ones who has no insecurities and less more racist.
@Maytemyaz:
You are totally delusional. I know it is easier for you to believe that I am pretending to post as other people.
I can assure you that I am not a clone, apparently Tan is from Australia and I am from the U.S. So different people same experience. Given that we both have the same experience, that says it all. The truth has been revealed.
@Michael:
They know the truth. They are just accusing us of being the same person to taunt us and to deflect.
And most of my friends are caucasian and you two are helluva a racist or I must say Asian syndrome.
So...we are 2 different people now?
Good one @TanfromAustralia :O
How can i be a racist if I am also asian? get your facts straight. As i have stated above the more they defend, the more it's just all true...that's it.
@Michael:
They have also accused me and objectivelyspeaking of being "racist" yet both of us are also from Asian descent.
"I really feel sorry for those Filipinos who are really working hard to support their family, they are being judged already because of their nationality" - In the meantime, who feels sorry for families and loved ones of filipina scam victims who end up paying the price???
People all around the world are getting their lives turned upside down by these people in the Philippines who are "poor" and therefore feel entitled to someone else's hard earned money. Whether it is the corrupt PH government or its lawless and shamelessly opportunistic people, these problems are MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES and ORIGINATE FROM THE PHILIPPINES. After we foreigners get whacked in the face out of the blue with the only recourse being posting here and warning others, we get called names and laughed by the very people who put us in this place. We foreigners are not the enemies of the few good PH people who don't belong with the Jezebel scammers and whoremongers. No need to come spit at our posts here. If they truly want to address this issue of bad reputation, stereotying, racism, generalization or whatever the heck they want to call it, cut the BS and go after their own people who gave them this bad rep. Need we tell them??
We need more @tallys in every country to fix this BS once and for all. Enough is enough.
@Objectivelyspeaking
I agree with what you are saying. We need to ship all the filipinos who are here on working visas to go back home and smack their own people upside the head to stop giving the entire country of the Philippines a bad rep. Sadly, filipinos live by this type of life day in day out. It's sad enough that there are enough things here in the U.S made from the Philippines and the only thing they have made here are problems with their people.
Just keep in mind that the posts here speaking bad about foreigners are always most likely the opportunist, whores, trying to patch up their bad rep. Other than that, keep the warning going to wake up the good people who are considering going to that country to find a wife.
I meant NOT* enough things made here
Last final thought, for the filipinas/filipinos trying to defend the truth out of this, it only shows how much more real this is about their people. They are so defensive because of people having the guts to tell the truth about filipinos. For the ones that are in doubt, make a filipino friend and they will tell you themselves that YES that's the filipino way of life. Opportunist, way too many whores, and if you let them, they will take all your money. Case closed.
Wow, so much harshness on this thread.
I can completely understand alot of points here and I'm just apalled by some of the shocking stories (yet not surprising)of the poor guys on here.
It really makes you question the common moral codes that people all over the world have. Hearing about filipina's getting green cards, then leaving the man or taking his money makes me question at what point does it ever enter the filipina's mind "what i am doing is not right. God would not condone this"... thats right GOD... person number 1 to most of the lives in the Philippines.
How can a country be so fanatically religious and preach about the ways of GOD, go to church every sunday, do the sign of the cross every time they pass a church etc... and still do not think about what they are doing to the lives of these men ("foreigners")? What is the point of being a GOD worshipping country if you cannot follow principles and the morals preached? Greed and adultery are such big problems there!
I also try to understand the position of some of these woman too. Their living conditions, family situations and lack of future options... It saddens me that we cannot control what family or what life we are born into. It still does not excuse them of their actions. If you can distinguish between right and wrong in your head, if your brain is able to tell you "its not right to kill someone", then surely that is enough of a brain to tell you that you are about to ruin a man's life by using him and taking his money.
Now, I am half filipino (my other half is Australian), and I love my filipina mother dearly with all my heart, but even I can accept some home truth's here from Tan and the rest. My poor dad got cheated on twice from my mother. She ended up leaving him for someone else...
I always told myself that I would never date a filipina for the risks involved and the stereotype nature.
That is until I visited my family (cousins, grandma/lola) in the Philippines. While I was on holiday I met my beautiful girlfriend (and what do you know? she's a filipina) at her work. She couldn't be more different to what I perceived filipina's to be. She is smart, educated, speaks great english, carries herself very well, does not try to disrespect people or mention a word of harm to anyone, pays her share for dinners amongst other things, and even her family were a bit hesistant at first with her going out with a foreigner because they said (and I quote) "we are worried, we just don't want people to see our daughter and think she is shallow because she is with you"...
I'm sure (correction, I KNOW!)there are plenty of filipina's like this in the Philippines. It is a pity that a large portion are 'opportunists' and that it is so obvious to see, especially in Manila, not to mention how much it stains the reputation for all filipina's in a negative way. I lived their for 6 months, and I can say that there are many beautiful women there inside and out.
It all comes down to common sense. If you are seeking love online, then be prepared for the risks! (Think, about the motivation for people to seek love online).
If you are out and get the attention of filipinas at a bar or somewhere social (especially if she is very young and you are quite old, sorry to the oldies! I don't mean to offend!), be smart about it and try reading things black and white. If someone random person asked you to get into a car with them, would you? Or would you give yourself a few moments to think the situation through (motives etc).
I think as well 'foreigners' get so knocked backed by how beautiful some of these women are, that we automatically start thinking with our penis's and allow this new so called 'love' to make us do crazy things for them.
It's a third world country. There will be bad traits in it. Some traits make you feel sick to the stomach I admit. It is a topic that really gets us males angry, as no man likes to get f**** over by a woman and vice versa. Especially in some of the ways described by victims on here.
There are many filipina's on this thread, in the Philippines and around the world that are beautiful inside and out, and do not want to be associated with those Louis Vuitton bag-social climbing-money snatching-home-wrecking bad eggs. Though there are plenty of bad eggs, just like the rest of the world not everyone is the same.
Wow, that was long! Sorry guys.
Objectivelyspeaking nice one tan? Pathetic. Oh well tan you are claiming that you nf Michael are not the same person, why would I argue long about it? And besides racist pertains to you and that chinky bitch.
So are you saying racist is only applicable to non asians? Dumbass gooks.
Excuse me Michael, in what state you are in? State of insanity? That's it..from the scamming whores and now the filinos who are hardworking.
Arrogant bitch, are you really blind or just selective on what to read? Yes, i for one pity the filipinos for being dragged with the other filipinos who are shameless and doesn't have any pride at all. And who says we don't care abiut the people who has been scammed, got ripped of, got home wrecked? You are a devil and religious eh?
The internet bullies are here.
I want to see your face, tally and the handsome michael and tan on TV telling all the shit things you said here.
Again and again. not any single filipino defended those whores and scammmers nor denied any of the problem, poverty, etc.etc.
In theyes of caucasians and hispanics, Asians are all the same. Especially in the military side. Trust me. Go to Honduras and you will encounter ladies who are ready to strip their clothes just get them outta of there. Oh well that's another story
@matemyaz
it's okay to admit the truth about ones culture. Don't get butt hurt from it especially when you know it's true. Sometimes the truth hurts and yes it does. But at least giving the people the knowledge of the existing issues will only help them not hurt them. I'm from New York by the way, and it doesn't matter which state i'm from at least i'm not from that state of denial like you. Sorry, to make you all butt hurt again about the truth, just saying...
@Matemyaz:
Are you f***ing stupid? As an Asian person, how can I be "racist" towards another Asian group of people? Are you so retarded that you find so hard to understand...?
If you are not defending the whores and scammers, then exactly what point are you trying to make?
I'm pretty fine not hurt as what you saying. That's right this hub is a big help. But you're saying that filipinos are the only one having issues? In New York?! Man Asians.. Oh well you met a disgusting Filipina, lesson learned, next time go to your home country to find the your soulmate if your tired of American girls.
You heard a lot of stories left and right and yet still plunged in a water full of shark.. Why? Cause deep down inside you not all people in each race or nationality are the same. Unless you met all the filipinos around the world, or let's say in the Philippines only from the high class, middle class and the poor. If you can present a link, a survey, an intelligent research that the entire population are beggars then i will spread it with you.
see Tally even mentioned 99.9 percent of ph are heartless hard core. Now, can you say that that's a fact and make this hub credible? Or just a hub with 3 very consistent bashers?
The truth hurts but not all truth hurts if you just think about it.
Pointing things and not agrreing on some parts, your retaliation " you are hurt with the truth" , " you are one of them that's why you are defending them" , " everything you said is bs" that is the true BS.
@Matemyaz:
Michael comes from the state of New York.
You live in the state of...retardation.
Um...stating that there are "3 consistent bashers" in this thread is quite an underestimation.
What is BS is your intention to defend the indefensible.
Are you effing stupid for calling me stupid? Check the meaning of racism dumbass , if you truly not know what raacism is and how racist you are against Filipinos(other asian).
My point and others point. You have no right to say all filipinos have no work ethics, all for green card, all scammers, all whores, two-faced, great actors and actresses, don't worry i will find time to enumerate all the things you, michael, tally and objectivelyspeaking wrote which are obviously overboard, slanderous. We are pointing the obvious and iritates the helll out of you.
And now i'm retarded.. Lol.
What is not defensible? That all Filipinos are not the same as what you and the rest of the crusaders in this hub are saying? Holy crap.. Choose any court
Ok my turn to be dumb. Are immigration lawyers real lawyers?
Yeah, immigration lawyers would have to be "real lawyers".
They have to be "real lawyers" to bend the law to get whores and scammers out of the craphole known as the Philippines and into Western countries where they can perpetuate their scamming and whoring.
The average IQ in the Philippines is about 86. Can't do too much with that low range.
I know that immigration lawyers are real lawyers and you are definitely not real so your clients are pretty small and limited to Filipinos. Small time lawyer.
Another slanderous comment from a real lawyer? That is a legit crap
Who gives a sh!t what you think? You're just another filipina who feels compelled to defend and justify herself...
@Matemyaz, when the truth hurt you people lash out who if a shit i will make sure you people stay out the west and i mean it
@tally:
They are like a disease that has to be quarantined...
for the record my friend is filipino, he went to the filippines to find a wife. She came from a middle class family not poor and not from the province. He thought he got a great catch like me because of their beauty. One year after marriage for him was like hell, she begged him for expensive purses, shoes, clothes, cars, and even wanted him to buy a bigger house. He makes good money as a nurse and yet he is flat broke because of his filipina wife. So look at it there, even the dirty whores will prey on their own kind, so what point are these idiots like matemyaz trying to make? None, just digging himself a hole deeper and deeper trying to defend for nothing that he can do about because their own kind ruined the reputation for all of them.
Philippines*
People should stop using the word bashing, instead use the world revealing the truth of girls from the Philippines. After all, that is what the entire post is about, so stick to the facts of the problem, " girls from the Philippines " opportunist, many beggers, bullies, and all about the money money money...
@Michael:
Matemyaz does not make any other point except that "not all filipinas are like that". That is technically true, but it is a grossly misleading assertion in the context of this entire thread.
I have noticed that the filipino posters who quickly jump to defence are those who seem to be justifying the life choices that they have made...the life choices that others have been critical of.
To each their own, I guess.
There is no one path for everyone in life. We have the choice of which road to take...
I'm an idiot, i'm the one lash out on people here..you can really tell what one is by their words.. Nobody gives a shit and replying.
Show me a single proof stating there's no successful marriages between a filipina and a foreigner. Oh and Michael, are you saying only filipinas have a fetish with expensive purses, clothes and whatever? There are social climbers everywhere and i'm not denying that there are filipinas like that from poor to middle class. As what i know in the US a lot of people wants to live more than what they can really have. Don't tell me Filipinos only do this thing.
And Tally. If they have means to travel or a company hires them, i can't do anything about it.
If you can do something about it then go ahead.
Credibility is questionable because of your comments
"a disease that has to be quarantined" _ a lawyer for real?
And now talking about the average IQ in the Philippines
And your point about that? Don't deflect dumbass.
And by the way michael have you heard of an American being scammed, ripped off, cheated by an American as well? C'mon is it not common in the US for you not to know?
"a filipina who feels compelled......"
Why such an assumption? Because i'm pointing things out and irritates you?
I care about the Filipinos, In defense of the good ones and NOt the bad ones.
Thank God for this hub that those kind of filipinas should be exposed. iF you have the names, the better. To stop the shameless things that they are doin and for the people who wants to follow their footsteps. Just cut the generalizing BS
From a more neutral point of view, Tan's comments are just disgusting and racist. Not to mention incredibly hurtful to the filipino community.
It's funny how he tries to sound intellectual with all his arguments and facts, yet still manages to come across as an offensive racist.
TAN from Australia??... Get out of our country mate. You are an absolute disgrace. Australia does not need you.
Fair enough to have your own opinion and right to express it... Of course its very easy to hide behind a name online.
You try to sound intelligent, but then completely dumb yourself out assuming you know every filipino and can therefore make statements on behalf of the whole Philippine population...
Ok, you have some valid arguments regarding a certain population of filipina women. It's clear that they have a reputation. No, it's not right what they have done to men when they move abroad amongst other things.
But truth be told, the whole world has problems. There are serious problems in alot of countries. I would never make the kind of comments you made throughout this whole forum. Do not even name yourself TanfromAustralia, because you are clearly unAustralian to show such disrespect to fellow countries.
@Crismond shut the hell up we know there are problems in every countries do we take our problems to others to fix or do we try fix them ourselves, tell me why should we sit back and watch these bastard destroy our homeland,let us deal with our own problem and others should deal with their don't bring the shit to our country keep it where it belong so piss on you fool, why don't you take all of them home with you ass
do most of these people on here know the truth or they just blind which,BUT AM TELLING THEM I DON'T WANT THEM IN MY COUNTRY AND IF IT TAKE ME ALONE WITH THE GOVERNMENT I WILL DRIVE THEM BACK TO THEIR HOME,NO ONE COME IN MY COUNTRY AND BREAK UP HOMES LEAVE CHILDREN TO SUFFER NOOOO WAY
IT MAKE ME SICK TO HERE THIS MESS,WHO SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE DO YOU HEAR HOW THEY SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS, DO YOU HEAR THEIR PLANS WHAT THEY WILLING TO DO TO THE PERSON WHO HIRE THEM, WELL IF YOU DON'T THEN PLEASE GO AND LEARN IT AND YOU WILL HEAR FOR YOURSELVES, SHOW ME ONE GOOD WOMAN FROM THAT COUNTRY AND I WILL WALK THE STREET WITHOUT SHOES FOR A MONTH.
Shut the hell up? haha nice one Tally.
If you read over my post I never said it was acceptable. Never even stated that it should be allowable and to just take the sit back approach (it was not even my point).
I am merely talking about the racial slander on here. I have the same view points on that particular population of the filipinas. I just don't think it is right to label THE WHOLE POPULATION something offensive. It is just ignorant to assume every single filipino falls under those labels.
Piss on me?? hahaha mate you clearly are a 15 yr old. Cannot even argue back intelligently without having to say lame comments like that.
DO YOU SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE? DO YOU REALLY SEE THE THINGS THEY DO ALL OF THEM IS RATS AND WHAT HOW I SEE THEM,END OF THE STORY,DO YOU KNOW WHY I TAKE ON THIS AM NOT GETTING PAID BUT I DONT LIKE SEE PEOPLE DESTROY OTHERS,THEY HAVE NO LOVE FOR NO ONE IS ABOUT THE MONEY, SEE MEN MARRY THEM RATS AND THINK THEY GET A GOOD WIFE AND IN THE END THEY SINK THEIR TEETH IN EVERY ,KILL THE MAN AND TAKE EVERYTHING AND RUN BACK TO THEIR BOYFRIEND IN THEIR COUNTRY, WHILE THE MARRY THEY SLEEPING AROUND WITH OTHERS.I VOW TO WEED THEM OUT MY COUNTRY.
This hub is not about ALL women scammers that do exist. The topic is only about scammer PH chics. The PH scammers do tarnish the reputations of all Filipinas. NO poster here has said ALL Filipinas are scammers--but many seem to be.
I have seen in my ex's connection with his Phlip chic, she says, "God brought us together". DUH. Doesn't it say in 10 commandments 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'??? Yet they posted on FB for 2 years they were engaged (excuse for her: she was married when she was so young--only 19 and they didn't get the paper work done yet---it takes 14 years to get an annulment??!!??). That doesn't just sound like adultery---it IS adultery. When you are greedy, you can even USE God to rationalize your bad behaviors. Makes me mad that you can make God say anything you want, even when He never said it and it was NEVER His will.
Why would my ex leave our family? We were doing okay financially, but he wouldn't work on his connection with me and the kids---chose to blow off the counselor's suggestions that he needed to change himself in areas---rather he chose to leave us---blaming me. The marriage was bad because he was narcissistic and selfish----wanted a great marriage without having to do much work or effort. He just wanted to go to work and be only a pay check and I was to do the rest of the marriage myself I guess. So he linked up with his "loving", "most beautiful girl in the world" from Philippines (forget that he told me the same lines too). Guess he is still playing the part of "the pay check" to her now. I don't believe in karma, but I do believe that God allows justice to come ----he put me on a gallows to hang by leaving us broke---but he is in the process of hanging himself on a much bigger gallows of his own making. AFter reading this hub, I am seeing that right now he is enjoying the "passing pleasures of sin" and when he and Phlip chic get together, it will be down hill from there.
I don't fault all foreign guys for "taking the bait" of these seductive deceiver PH chics. Many foreign guys though live the story of the 'Emperor's New Clothes'---they walk around trying to fool everyone to ignore the obvious!!!!SOMETIMES foreign men are unhealthy with unrepaired character flaws (not all). Love is a DECISION---not a feeling, so don't leave your family and destoy those who love you. When you decide to be loving and committed and giving, then things work a lot better. Many guys selfishly leave their families for a PH chic, going from a hole to a pit. They buy into the fantasy about her being beautiful on outside and they ASSume that she is also beautiful on the inside without checking it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beware, Dr. Smith, you may be going form the skillet to the frying pan yourself!!
I don't fully fault the PH chics for scamming foreign men. I think if foreign men are being stupid and won't see truth or listen to their friends and family's warnings, then they get what they have coming. The foreign man is NOT innocent in all of this often. Maybe they are less at fault, but they are still acting blindly often. It takes two. OFten foreign guy rushes in too fast, is too trusting, and then cries when his money is all gone. When they give money, then give more---sometimes you have to just cut your losses and walk away never to recover what you lost. Know that what you paid for was a lesson in wisdom.
I appreciate David's and Michael's comments on their experiences. It is just more evidence to be very cautious and even run from PH relationships. I post my experience so maybe more foreign guys will see themselves in my ex and will be wise enough to change their ways before much damage is done and before you have hurt your wife and children to a level that is unrepairable EVER.
To PH scammer chics: Don't use God to say "He has blessed us and brought us together" as one of your lines, when it is a blasphemous lie!!!! Fear God and only speak the truth. Don't EVER use God to manipulate and harm others!!!!!!!! He is a loving God, but He also is a God of Justice. What you sow, you WILL reap---so plant wisely.
PEOPLE THINK AM ANGRY BECAUSE THEY DONE ME WRONG NO AM PISS MAD FOR WHAT I SEEN READ,I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT OTHERS THINK ABOUT ME I VOW TO SEND THEM PACKING, I FEEL OTHERS PAIN I HAVE BROTHER AND JUST AS HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY FAMILY IF ONE OF THEM HOE, RAT, THINK AM BLUFFING WATCH PEOPLE YOU ALL SOON READ IT THEY GOING BACK WHERE THEY ALL COME FROM.
If a filipina hunts for a foreigner just run from her. Bad news. End of story.
To hell with you Leroy Clapsburg!!!
Im wondering how organized is this from the mail order bride days up till now could they be using the church to hide there misdeeds acting all religious and even the directors or ministers of the church are pimps or dragon ladies to pimp these hos out at a higher class to make ya think there all good girls and christian and such this seems to be the case has it gotten that well organized was doing some research on it but guess im to late ive lost most of my lifes savings omg! I shouldve run and took advice of what people were telling me should have visited here first omg!
ako ay humihiling sa lahat ng mga hoes na nanggaling mula sa phillipines upang mahanap ang kanilang mga asno pabalik sa kung saan sila nanggaling mula sa wala malugod naming mga tao na paglabag iba pang mga pamilya tao, at magpanggap na maging magandang at malalim down na alam nila sila lang mga hoes pagmamanman ng isang ikot sa magbuwagtahanan
DrSmith. you may not gain back your money but am sure helping others will feel good about things .
Im wondering how organized this is do they used the cover or disquise of the church to pimp these girls out???
DrSmith - It is more highly organized that we think. I came across an article on philippineculture and here's an excerpt:
"Twenty-year-old Rita pointed to the words stretched on her tight-fitting mid-rib t-shirt as the reason she’s marrying 66-year-old Endo: “Sweet Love," it says on her chest.
“Love? Who is she kidding?” whispered one of the women at the seminar on inter-racial marriages sponsored by a Catholic group in Manila where Rita, a former garments factory worker, spoke.
However, some who share similar state of affairs or maybe feel the same way as Rita nodded. After a break, Rita saunters over to a group of women and admits “love” is the farthest reason for accepting the proposal of Endo, who is 46 years older than her.
“I don’t really love him. I want to work there (in Japan) and help my family here,” Rita says almost in a
whisper. That revelation brought her words of sympathy, quick hugs, and light squeezing of hands. She is not alone.
Rita and other Filipina brides-to-be admit that marrying foreigners is the easiest ticket for possible overseas
work and settlement overseas, as well as income for the families they would leave behind, says a report
published in the Overseas Foreign Workers journalism Consortium."
This has been going on for years, we will have to be absolute fools to think that PH people are oblivious to this. Those here jumping all over me, @TanfromAustralia, @tally, and now @Michael just want to discredit our views and findings, blast us out of this board, so they can carry on ripping off the world. As a result, the credibility of true Christians will become questioned, "ALL Asian women are the same as filipina scammer whores" etc. BTW, Christianity and Catholicism are 2 separate religions.
What do the words "Miyagi san" and "karate" mean to you @Matemyaz? They are Japanese, not Chinese, you dumbass.
Don't come here pretending to support the filipinos. Your real agenda here is to pick fights with non-whites because you are a neo-nazi supremacist, then sneakily plant your subliminal supremacist messages like "chinky" and "gook" on this hub. Coz if you get too obvious, your posts will get blocked by Ultramagnus.
You are telling us to go on TV to show our faces? You remnant descendant of the cowardly Ku Klux Klan who burned and killed non-whites with their faces hidden behind pointy white cones. Your agenda is so archaic and rejected by modern day society that you and your cult have to operate underground. No you are not a racist. You are a neo-nazi supremacist. Huge difference.
@Michael - Yes I know. This hub has reached a stage of "maturity" in that most grounds have been covered for this topic of discussion. This is why deflection has to take on new forms, after each horse is being beaten to death. They have tried name-calling, character assassination, sophistry and manipulated statistics, you name it. Now it is blaming "a whole nation" and "all filipinas", which is a repeat drama of more than 6 months back.
Although not large, the truly patriotic and educated PH people have displayed great self-awareness and admirable candor of their country and situation. In fact, they have been brutally honest about the negativity of their own people. We can see many of their comments on antipinoy.com The ones who truly care are taking the bull by the horns through movements like CoRRECT, not wasting their time posting BS here.
One of the favourite repertoires of PH pseudo-patriots is projecting their own devious duplicity into other posters. Accusing me and TanfromAustralia being the same person, then you and TanfromAustralia being the same person. Then TanfromAustralia being Ultramagnus. It is a complete circus...the same circus that brought their own country to its knees and still they haven't learned.
Next thing we know, if you and me and TanfromAustralia continue addressing each other on this thread, we will be accused of dominating this board with a trilogue of Asian "racism". @TanfromAustralia and I have already been labelled the "dynamic duo" with those agreeing with our views derogatorily termed as "minions".
Your comment on their "crap talking" is right-on accurate. The men scr*ewed over have swallowed crap loads of that I am sure, when the true filipina wife comes out after the party is over.
non sense!!!
You just cant handle the truth DrSmith youre screwed bet you even bought the little lady an engagement ring hahahahahahaahahaah! Am i wrong????
Yes i did buy her a ring and many other gifts i am a fool dam how could i be so wrong im contemplating suicide the worst think is im heartbroken and almost broke going after this fantasy dream that turned out to be a big hoax!
Leroy go to hell you and youre fat bitch!!!!
Danger Will Danger DrSmith Danger AHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Youll bust a spring Danger!!!!
Matemyaz:
You say that if a filipina just wants to hunt a foreigner, then "just run. End of story".
Then that comment would apply to approximately 90% of filipinas who seek foreign men.
I am glad we can finally agree on something at last.
@Crismond:
The fact that you believe this widespread international problem is only caused by a "certain" segment of filipinas (hinting a small number) would suggest that your opinion is far from "neutral".
It is easy to know very little about a subject matter, casually observe intelligent debate carried out by people who actually know what they are talking about and express the kneejerk sentiment that you believe they are "racist".
Armchair warriors are like enuchs in a harem. They think they know what should be done and how it should be done, but they can't do it.
I call a spade a spade, not a spade a shovel. I don't euphemise anything, especially when it comes to cultural pimping and prostitution and the widespread social and legal upheaval that the filipino people have caused to the international community.
A snake in the grass is...precisely that!
Of course objectivelyspeaking and I are two different people.
Her posts are more researched based whilst mine are direct experienced based.
However, our opinions converge at the end of the road. Funny thing about that.
The internet is teeming with similar horror stories about filipinas, not just here. I don't post anywhere else, only here. Go figure. The opinions about filipinas by many different people from different countries all converge. Funny thing about that too huh.
This perspective is almost a universal one. There is certainly no coincidence or conspiracy about that (at least not that I am aware of).
@Dr. Smith---Just be glad you found out before moving her here and actually getting married. Yes, it was a costly mistake to you, but don't condemn yourself. Yes, it was a mistake so learn the lesson and don't beat yourself up for what you did---just change your behavior. Don't take your life (suicide) over her----she doesn't deserve that from you. Go and make it right with your family and the wife you left. Hopefully they will take you back when you humbly admit your fault here. Please stop thinking suicide is the answer---you will just bring hurt to the family that does love you. Take courage and go on. YOu can still have a good life.
antipinoy.com is an interesting website @objectivelyspeaking spoke about.
Thanks Nancy you had the same thing happen with you?
@Dr. Smith: My husband left the marriage---abandoned me and the children---did not speak to us for 2 years and then filed divorce. I did a lot to encourage him to save the max in his 401K and did that by wearing 2nd hand clothes/old cars, etc. so we would be doing well in retirement together. Divorce chopped up all we had saved for retirement. I was stay at home mom and homeschooled the kids, trusting we were in this together. His social security and pension income will be 3 times what I will have so I will have to go back to work late in life. My soc sec stopped building bec I stayed home with kids while his kept building. Divorce is never fair or equitable.
In my ex's case, my attorney was taking him back to court to get an equitable settlement bec he violated a court order by signing me out of his pension (I was to be survivor spouse of pension). Then he liquidated his 401K and stocks and sent the money to her ($30K to 50K total) over 7 months. He would send $700 today, $500 two days later, $800 three days later, etc until she had it all. I think he did that so I didn't get the money but also to make her be wowed by him. She built a house ---friends on FB called it a "mansion". I am sure he thought he was being a good guy to her, but I think he was trying to liquidate the money so I couldn't get it.
You made a mistake to send this girl all your retirement $, but you will still have soc security and can maybe save some. At least you can cut ties with her now so she doesn't bleed your finances anymore. I would also advise you to get into counseling about why you linked up with her so quickly. I did go through counseling and learned why my "man picker" wasn't very healthy. Now I have better insight into why I chose the guy that I did. I learned to respect myself more and not to settle for someone who is emotionally abusive. I also read a lot of self help books like "Boundaries", "Safe People", "Changes that Heal"---author is Henry Cloud and John Townsend. Work on fixing the broken parts of your heart now so you are better after this hard lesson. I admire and respect your courage to post that you have made a grave mistake with this PH chic and sent so much money. It will be a warning to other guys who are going down the same wrong path with a Filipina.
Also my ex is going WAY off the deep end and once they are married, he will be sapped dry continually of his paycheck. He will be like the hamster going around the wheel making more and more money week after week and saving none of it bec he will be sending it all to PH. I just see that he will be hung by his own stupidity. At least you have avoided all the further traumas of marriage to the PH chic. So be grateful for that! Hang in there. You have hope bec you are open to seeing the error of your ways!
@Dr. Smith:
I know of some very sincere Godly Christians in Philippines and I don't think they are scammers. One has come to our church in US and is not a scammer at ALL.
Even my ex says he is born again Christian. Many say with their mouths that they are Christians but they say with their actions that they are really doing the devil's work. Maybe there is a lot of "religion" in PH where they talk it but don't walk it out. I think they can use religion as part of their scamming. We tend to trust churched people more, but I have learned the hard way too that you have to listen to what a person says, and then watch over time if their words are lived out in their actions. If so, then they are the real thing and can be trusted.
The Filipinas may use religion as part of their scam to get a guy to trust them, but I doubt the churches support that. Just my opinion.
Another point to consider...Do some of these PH families use a single daughter to fleece several foreign men simultaneously until the point of marriage when they ask for a humongous sum of money like in @DrSmith's case $100K, so the marriage will be called off? The men would by this time have shelled out so much $$ leaving them almost broke, then next please. Even better they can then say they never pimped out their daughter because she never married the foreign man, he just showered her with gifts and money to impress her during the courtship, something he did willingly.
These PH people are really something else. Who would have thought.
@ objectively speaking:
$100k? 4,300,000pesos?...OMG! hard to believe it...Dr. Smith, I bet you're just making a story!
@Nancy - My church youth group leader committed suicide in the Philippines because a filipina caught him with a surprise pregnancy. He was a married man with a young daughter in our home country. He was in PH on a mission trip working among church groups and this girl came to the church where they met. After she got pregnant, her parents threatened to expose the his misdeed and shame him before the church both at home and throughout the entire international mission organization, extorting him for a sum of money he did not have. So he hanged himself. Yes he succumbed to the temptation of the flesh. Something he should never have done. The Bible says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God". We also know that only Jesus is above all temptation but all men are not Jesus. This is why avoidance of potential danger is the only way to stay safe from evildoers intent on getting people to fall into their traps.
FB is supposed to be a social network for people to connect with old friends from school and family abroad. Filipinas have managed to turn it into their homewrecking workship. What a shame.
I am a filipina, 30 years old married to a 50 years old foriegner. We have 1 son and I'm proud to say that we are happy. We are married for 7 years now and we're still counting.
The only way it can work in the Philippines is to date a girl of means with an education because if you get stuck with poor you get stuck with a nagger and she has a very huge family to feed along with friends to show off with it's always a party and you end up broke and they don't care at all, your hamburger and pizza is not a priority along with your personal freedoms, all gone and you become a trophy for money and friends, it's the way here.
Just read this article on antipinoy.com. Here is website:
http://antipinoy.com/on-filipino-close-family-ties
It speaks that in PH the kids are raised to respect elders and are taught that they must give back to parents/family when they are grown. Sounds like parents almost use their kids ---raise them up to become OFW's and send money back home. Article says they are called selfish and then rejected if they don't send money home. So they either become foreign workers or wives of foreigners to get the money to support their family so they will be loved and accepted by parents as being the good son/daughter. Culture is about working for the collective good of their family. If one gets money, they are expected to share it with family---if they don't they are shunned.
Seems that parents are using their kids, and then the adult "kids" are using foreigners all for money to send back to the family. Wow. Everyone is scamming everyone. NOt good!
@ Nancy thanks for sharing,no wonder they are like that, i told people they trained to do those stuff
@tally:
You are right. They are culturally trained.
IN CONCLUSION : THOSE WHO SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT FILIPINA ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IDIOTS, MORONS, EMBECILES..ETC...LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR, ARE YOU RIGHTEOUS?
@claudine - If it was 100k pesos not $100k, I don't think DrSmith would have been shocked enough to start doing internet research on marrying filipinas and landed on this board. He said he wished he had done this research before chasing his filipina fantasy. All men should take a lesson from him. Learning from one another is always a good thing.
It is so true what @mcalleyboy said "...and you become a trophy for money and friends...". Just take a look at the numerous posts by filipinas on this board about how they are still "happily" married to their decades older foreign husbands for (this many) years and counting - trophy alright. By the sounds of it, @mcalleyboy is living in PH, so his information is first-hand. I have read similar takes on other boards.
There is a church full of filipinas not far from where I live, I was told by a friend just this past week. 20-something filipinas with their 50/60-something husbands and their pre-school children.
@chris - We are not saying "BAD" things about filipinas. We are saying TRUE things done by those filipinas and their families to foreign men. We foreigners have families too. Just that we don't think of fleecing someone else blind unethically then call it caring for our families. For this reason, we have no problem with what we see in the mirror. How about you?
When I look in the mirror, I feel pride. Therefore, I like what I see. I am in a healthy marriage and we both work to support each other and our children...and nobody else!
There was a reaso that Anselm Mc Lauren didnt allow the Philippines to become a colony of America.. He was afraid that all them would come flooding over like leaches and having half of the US population becoming Filipino.. Hard to put that to mind, but it is true.. HE was trying to portect The people of the United States!!!
@Nevermind:
That would be an extremely frightening prospect! If they all flooded into the US, they would f*** it up like they did with the Philippines, which is a sh!thole already.
But if they can all go to the US naturally, then at least they would not have to resort to marriage scamming to emigrate in, which would solve half of the world's problems.
It is the classic dilema: do you cut off your left finger or your right one? Either way, you are left without a limb...
This thread is just about beaten to death. Final words and facts are, in order for you to experience everything that I have stated and that it's all true, just go to the philippines and you will then go, wow of all the time i have wasted trying to defend most filipinas, wow Michael and Tan are right on what they are saying. Other than that, they are just talk and no actions. Meaning that they can be a captain save a hoe, but end of the day, still a hoe.
@Michael:
They know we are telling the truth. They are not even really in denial. Most of them do not want to admit the truth because it is too embarrassing.
if most of us didn't stand up and fight the Nigerien scam network,so many people would have lost their lives and their saving,it not all gone but it much under control, so if we don't take a stand from those people we all will wake up one morning and find them invade and hold us hostage and rob us all from what we have worked so hard to preserve for your future generation.
Vietnamese pork rolls are da bomb! I'm also gay
@tally is absolutely right in her last post. Measure for measure, the Nigerian scam is but a drop in the bucket compared to the damage filipina scammers have done to our men, families and societies these past 2 decades.
We must stand on alert, especially women to women, warn our friends and acquaintances to stand on guard over their husband and all family assets. For those who do not hold joint titles, good idea to get in touch with your lawyer to review legal documents regularly to make sure there are no sneaky changes of titles on Deeds, properties and Wills. If your husband or bf has an FB account, look over your shoulders on his activities. FB has become the latest tool for filipina homewrecking hookups. Younger ladies please keep an eye over your dad for your mom. Sorry guys, we are protecting you as well before it is too late.
Share this hub on FB with your friends, circulate the hyperlink of this thread to all your women friends. Every little bit helps. I am not an alarmist. Let the women's victim impact statements posted here these past 4 weeks be a call to action.
@ objectively speaking:
I still don't believe in him. $100k is a big money...Dr. Smith, what's the name of your gf? what city is she in Philippines? and what's the name of her father? Stop making up a story! It's not funny! You guys are OA! let's just say INSECURE! I'm wondering if you guys are working...because your here 24/7 just to post comments! Ridiculous! Pathetic!
pinoy whores.......like richelle lopez....rot in hell
first of try to respect women,iee and disagree in some comments given above.Womens are weak not all womens,most of the womens are dependent,when married they want to be happy,those who wrote bitch some bad words about women see their attitude to women,change your self try to understand them in deep. you will happen to know the real truth is it good or bad
Philippines. The country of whore. The Pearl of Asia has become The Sh*t of Asia.
@ jameson:
FYI, whores are everywhere even in your country!
try to read this folks:
sorry to tell this.. women are weak.. and also not only filipina girls do that.. to think maybe because they do that because also of that foriegn men.. because some of them are they just came to phil just to play with girls.. women needs love and care.. if u fall to that situation.. it is not ur lost its her lost.. and also dont tell that all filipina are that kind of girls..
to the people wrote that
just set ur peace of mind and pray to god that it doesnt happen to u again.
Nobody will disagree that "women need love and care". BUT her understanding of "love and care" must come first from the parents and family that raised her. Has she been taught that love must be honest and not self-serving? Has her nurturing been purposed to groom a responsible and ethical woman capable of loving and giving genuinely? From the copious reports all over the internet, this is obviously not the case in too many filipinas who grow up to be lying hyprocritical Catholics, sub-par mothers, cheating wives and scammer whores preying on foreigners, homewreckers seducing men who are married or attached. How they are raised and ingrained is how they grow up to be.
A number of filipinas complained that they haven't been treated respectfully by foreign men. From that link to the beach photos posted by @Hmmm! we can all see how little respect some foreign men are giving to filipinas. Men are not stupid. They know how to treat a lady when she behaves like one. They don't treat women like that even in Thailand.
@Claudine - Are you concerned about DrSmith's 100k because you are appalled at how blindly greedy your people have become, or because you are afraid this would turn men away from seeking filipina wives potentially hampering your own chances? Respectfully, I will respond again according to your reply.
@ objectively speaking:
Whatever! No father will ask that kind of amount! It's hard to believe! I'm not concerned about his $100k because he's making up a story....it's not true! as what the saying goes..."TO SEE IS TO BELIEVE". Absolutely I am not afraid...why should I? I am happy with my foreigner husband now..Hmmmmmmmmm...I bet your sad because I said "HAPPY". This site can't stop the foreigners to search for their true love. JUst move on objectively speaking..u r just " INSECURE"!
@ objectively speaking:
tell me about your opinion of this;
Claudine, you are definitely one of them(social-climbing-ugly-moneysucker)
What do you want to see? The father asking for money? Do you think it was caught on video or put in black and white? arrogant yet dumb.
"YOU ARE JUST INSECURE" The very famous line you ugly bitches came up with whenever people are pointing out "whorific" things you and your tribe do.
Do your country and the good Filipinas a favor, stop representing yourself as a Filipina. Create a new country or something.
@ Claudine: I totally agree with you just don't listen to them. Stop wasting your time. Just ignore whatever they say. They hates filipina because they are INSECURE!
@diane
Insecure or truth?
@Claudine
in the link i gave, the report states observers were not shocked, it's normal in the Philippines?
In the link you gave, the opinion is very different; "The community of Modesto has largely reacted with shock and disapproval, the newspaper said."
Of course there are good and bad everywhere, but good societies do not accept lying, cheating, scamming, whoring, murder or acts of indecency, with such tolerance!
i really think they understand what we are trying to tell them, stay in your country and build it up, we have our own problem in our country to deal with, we cannot deal with you all people problem for you,so stay out and let us deal with what we have to , dont bring you all mess in PERIOD.
@claudine:
Are you saying that culturally, a father would not ask for as much money as $100K or that it is unusual for those fathers to ask for any money at all?
Filipino fathers prostitute their own daughters to foreigners, whether actual or through marriage.
They will try to squeeze as much money out of foreign men as possible depending upon what they perceive to be these men's capacity.
Just because you may have thought that you were way cheaper to buy than $100K does not mean that DrSmith's story is untrue.
Your accusation of objectivelyspeaking and other overseas women of being "insecure" is hypocritical in the context of your situation.
On the contrary, overseas women are much more confident as they are autonomous and financially independent. They do not have to become marriage scammers or prostitute themselves through marriage to procure emigration and financial betterment.
Most filipinas are "desperate" and "insecure", otherwise why would they opt to marry 65 year old men whom are the left overs of the overseas women?
Thank you every one who spoke up on my behalf. I really appreciate it. I just have this to add...to the filipinas who think that overseas women are "INSECURE" and can't top them in whatever department of a relationship...
...GET OVER YOURSELF!!
My Goooodd..a lot of ignorant people here acting to be 'know-it-all'. whhat?filipino fathers who make their daughters as prostitute??have u ever been here in the PH? i haven't heard anything like that here in the PH my whole life..and maybe if ever u have been here, maybe u just went to angeles,makati,near squatters area and all the red lights where sluts are all friendly to foreigners. Do u know how we perceive MOST of the girls with a foreigner on their side?that they are most probably sluts, poor and uneducated..then u r doomed. I'm not telling this on general bcoz i know there might be good-hearted girls under the red lights and a lot of decent and educated women who married foreigner. Another thing about filipinas on dating sites?well, decent filipinas, if not all are not going to make themselves as baits to foreigners, so u might want to avoid dating sites, bars/clubs, red-light zones and squatters areas! so u wouldn't be blaming the whole race for ur failures bcoz of being a stupid idiot. Lastly, NEVER give money if she asks for it. that's a clear sign of her nature, 'coz seriously??no decent, educated and a well-raised filipina will do that----and especially be sluts. Financially, she is not ur responsibility, unless u r both married already. ooops, and yeah, to those who said that the PH is a country of whore, please check ur country first..where porn industry is smiling..and it's ur kind who brought prostitution in the Phils- if u know the history. The PH has 7,000+ islands, u can sure find specks on other islands but not the rest of the islands..girls from urban cities are different from the provinces, so don't generalize and say that PH is a whore country when u all did was going to those sinful clubs to scratch ur itch and have not overlooked the goodness of other people/ places. Respect people.
@N:
I know that in your own mind, YOU totally believe that everything you said is true, from your own subjective perspective. You are entitled to believe whatever you want.
And you are entitled to believe yourself as well. If you haveno repect to the good ones then you don't deserve even little respect from any human being. some things here are right and most of your comments are just slanderous. "Karma" my friend will hit you big time.
@N - I know what you are talking about. Two members of my extended family are trans-nationally married with good filipino families. I also have close friends who are business owners in PH. Just because there are some good people in PH does not mean we can ignore the massive destruction done by the overwhelming numbers of Jezebel filipinas to foreign families and societies.
The British also brought opium to China. China's people had the choice of allowing themselves to get flushed down the sinkhole as worthless dopes, or rebuild their country. The latter is what they did. What is the choice of the good filipino people? Tolerate destructive elements or start fixing your country?
Sorry for the rude words and comments I wrote yesterday. I read it again today and realized I must be really mad and offended by those really bad comments used generally above. I just can't help but leave my comments as what I thought regarding it and temporarily forgot what my mama taught me about manners toward people. Peace.:)
@TanfromAustralia, yes, I totally believe everything I said. It's true that there are lots of bad girls especially and mainly found from clubs, whorehouses, squatter areas,etc. that most probably will not have best intentions, and I am sorry for all those good men who've just been used and hurt by those wicked girls..but if you try to roam around, you would know that those kind of girls are rare or not to be found on the rest of majority setting. Those kind of girls are mostly confined to urban places with whorehouses,etc.where foreigners flocks that will do things defacing themselves, drop their dignity and be a disgrace to themselves and society. I feel sorry for them, too. I must be blessed to be raised in one of the many communities here where bad things like that is not a trend..and oh, another advice for the guys who still have a plan about it, just try some 'normal' girls found on 'normal' places instead of those slutty gals in slutty places, and be responsible enough to take the consequences of your actions and decisions. Have a background check of her before starting anything.
@objectively speaking, 'start fixing my country' of course. A person like me is trying to do her part but my country's government always fail to follow its New Year's resolution with conviction, and I'm frustrated with that. What can we do? Just do the things we know what's right and helpful that would contribute for the better,and keep our hope. Peace everyone. :)
@N
Whore!
And to the rest of your population...
ROT IN HELL!!!!
Excerpt from article at: http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2
- Dirty streets and polluted air. Often the streets are littered with garbage and look like they were part of a sewer. It makes you feel like you are walking through a gutter. There are no quality control standards in cleanliness or maintenance, except in rich neighborhoods. Rivers and streams look dirty and toxic too. Thus the land, air and water are polluted in any mid-size city there.
- Most products are generally of shabby quality, unreliable and break easily. Even brand name products seem to be made inferior to their usual standard, for some reason. Most things sold at the SM Malls are from China and break easily. Clothes you buy there usually fade after 2 or 3 washes, which make them look worn. Even brand name products wear have defects that they usually don't have in first world countries. The power goes out randomly and sporadically out of nowhere. Don't expect the reliability of First World Countries. Quality control standards are very subpar, not at the level of First World industrialized countries.
- Food in the Philippines is considered by all foreigners unanimously to be the worst in Asia, hands down. Not only are the ingredients in the food of bad quality, but they are shabbily hacked together with no skill or class. 95 percent of restaurants owned by Filipinos serve food that is so disgusting that you wouldn't eat it if it were free, yet they charge high prices for it and get away with it! It's mind boggling.
The fast food franchises Chow King and Greenwich are disgusting, not even edible and shouldn't even exist, yet they are everywhere in the Philippines! It's bizarro world. To get decent food you have to be very selective, visiting only places that you know have decent food, which are usually foreign owned. Places owned by foreigners or Filipinos who were trained abroad also have a good chance of being decent.
As a result, this leads to overall nutritional deficits in the Filipino population, which most are unaware of.
- It is very HOT and HUMID year round. Arizona weather is like California compared to the Philippines. You never get a break from the sticky sweat on your skin. The only relief is to go indoors where there is air conditioning. This makes it hard to enjoy being outdoors. This also means that at your home you have to have the air conditioning on all the time, which skyrockets your electricity costs! It's unavoidable.
But you have no choice since it's so damn hot and humid day and not EVERY day of the year! Those who hate humidity will wilt in the atmosphere of the Philippines. In addition, the air also seems thin to some, making it hard to breathe or exercise.
- Food spoils very quickly in the Philippines, even when it's refrigerated, like it does nowhere else, probably due to the humidity that allows all kinds of molds and bacteria to grow. I've never seen food spoil as fast as it does in the Philippines.
- You can't leave food on the table or anywhere in open space without ants getting to it within minutes. But it's impossible to remember every time to put food in the fridge or within locked containers, so inevitably you're going to have ants getting into some of your food. It's very annoying, and does not happen in colder or dryer climates.
The humid air and unsanitary conditions in the Philippines makes it a breeding ground for all kinds of nasty insects, pests, viruses, bacteria and shit to grow and flourish everywhere. This is bad for expat health because there are more diseases and infections around for you to catch. So not only do you have to deal with greedy people around you, but nasty pests and insects as well. Ick. It often makes you regret being there.
- Many people are rude and inconsiderate without manners or civilized behavior. They cut in line in front of you, interrupt when you're talking to a salesperson, are pushy when they want you to buy something, etc. Beggars will touch you and stand in your way and demand donations. Trike drivers will cat call you as if you were their pet. I've seen construction workers use electric drills and saw wood right in the middle of a crowded restaurant, totally oblivious to the fact that they are annoying the hell out of the customers! (fortunately they were ordered to stop eventually) But boy I've never seen such clueless people.
- In the Philippines, you are constantly surrounded by people with a "give me, give me" look on their faces. And that's because the key to their survival has been in finding ways to GET things from others, taking advantage of them, and freeloading off them. They're always looking for free things and generous people to get things from. But of course, they never want to give anything for free, as nothing in their culture is free. It's obvious hypocrisy of course, but I guess in their position, they can't afford any ethics. This can get annoying and infuriating, as it makes you feel like a constant target, but some expats get used to it and just develop a firm stance against them, while others don't.
- Filipinos definitely love to GET and HATE to give. This explains in part why salaries are so low in the Philippines that many have to go abroad to work or resort to receiving funds from overseas relatives or foreigners. They are so low because everyone hates giving and is super stingy, while of course they are always happy to receive as much as possible from others. This creates an obvious imbalance in their society that leads to problems.
The basic hypocrisy here is that everyone is always wanting to get but no one wants to give. This creates an imbalance that leads to consequences.
To them, there is no shame at all in taking, but there is in giving. When Filipinos do give, it's always very little, and if it goes beyond that, there will be extreme reluctance and an attempt to make you feel guilty for forcing them to give. Giving goes against their nature.
This is why foreigners who live in the Philippines or have done business there will tell you that "When money is flowing from you to them (Filipinos) they will be nice and friendly to you. But when money is flowing from them to YOU, they will see you as a devil."
Many Filipinos feel NO SHAME at all in receiving things, even at great expense to the giver, but in fact have an OVEREAGERNESS and INSATIABLE appetite for it. They receive with a child-like glee, as if they were children jumping up and down in front of Santa Claus waiting for their gifts.
Try this: When you are in a department store, go to a sales associate and point to some fancy expensive item and jokingly say, "How about I buy that for you?!" Notice how they light up with glee and delight as they say "Oh really?! You buy that for me?" as though he/she were a child, totally forgetting the nonsensical nature of a total stranger buying an expensive gift for another stranger for no reason.
That's because their desire to receive without shame or guilt supersedes everything without inhibition. It's the nature of their character. There is no shame or guilt in seeing you waste your money either, even if you're poor or on a budget. They are always very willing to receive things from you, even if it bankrupts you.
Many are also not shy to ask you directly for a gift either, hence the popular cultural line they give you when you are about to travel: "Don't forget my pasalubong (gift)." Even jokes like that are revealing in regards to a culture's mentality. Such greediness is the worst in Manila and Angeles City, but not as bad in the rest of the country or the provinces.
In this area, there is a double standard in that while it is ok for a Filipino to want to receive things for FREE, and take advantage of any FREE thing they can get, it is considered out of line and rude for a foreigner to expect to get anything for free. Instead, foreigners are supposed to enjoy paying for everything, not expecting anything for free. Yet a Filipino is allowed to gleefully want and expect free things, especially from foreigners, as though it were an entitlement they had been waiting for, like
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...a child waiting all year for Santa to visit his home.
- Foreigners are treated like Santa Clauses (without their permission of course). Filipinos hold two major fallacies regarding foreigners:
a) All foreigners have bottomless pockets and can never run out of money no matter how much they spend.
b) All foreigners do not care about price. It is never an issue to them. They are willing to pay any price for anything without dispute. Wasting money is not a concern to them.
They simply do not understand people. Even rich people will have preferences in what they want to splurge on and what they don't. Just cause someone is rich doesn't mean he will not be concerned about price vs. value, and making sure he gets his money's worth.
Now "b" may be true for many white foreigners who do not mind splurging, but not with Chinese foreigners. No way. Chinese are brought up with major shame and guilt about wasting money, even if they are from rich families. Filipinos do not understand or relate to Chinese in this aspect.
There are some foreigners though who behave exactly like Richard Gere did with Julia Roberts in the movie "Pretty Woman", (and can afford to) spending an obscene amount of money on the girl of their affection. They will shower their girl with expensive cell phones, laptops and other gifts. But unfortunately, these foreigners spoil it for the rest of us and contribute to the "Santa Claus" image.
But most foreigners are not rich. They are budget conscious, frugal and efficient with their money, not spending beyond what is necessary, which is how it is in the real world after all. The problem is that somehow, all foreigners in the Philippines get lumped into the "splurging unlimited cash" type personified in "Pretty Woman". It's an unfair stereotype, but it exists.
What's really funny though, is that even when hippie backpacker travelers walk around the Philippines, hustlers and peddlers STILL call out to them thinking that they are rich and treat them like cash cows just because they have white skin! Anyone with any worldly sense about people know that backpackers - the kind who stay in hostels - are often on a very TIGHT BUDGET, and are not rich at all! They even LOOK and dress like they're poor! Yet Filipinos are clueless about this. I guess their greed and ignorance transcends their common sense about other people. Lol. That would be the logical conclusion.
- Unfortunately, since foreigners here are used to being targeted by hustlers, peddlers and those wanting to sell them overpriced goods and services, or taken advantage of, as though they were rotating targets in a "carnival shooting gallery", they eventually become overly defensive and dismiss everyone trying to help them, including well meaning locals who are just trying to help without any ulterior motive. Such is the unfortunate consequence of "building up your defenses", in that eventually you stereotype them all as "greedy hustlers to be avoided" for convenience sake, or because you just don't want to deal with them anymore, period.
- Filipinos do not even feel guilty about wasting their own food, leaving it out to spoil or leaving uneaten rice in the cooker to spoil, which they will do over and over again. Thus there is no shame at all in wasting even their own resources. It is not uncommon for a Filipina to get taken to a restaurant, order a meal and then take only one or two bites, throwing the rest away, not even taking it home, all because they aren't paying for it. It's a total disregard for waste.
- Filipinos themselves will playfully admit that they typically behave like children in that when they want something, they want it NOW, without regard to expenses or consequences. So basically you would be dealing with "adult children".
- It is very difficult to find intelligent conversation in the Philippines. People there seem incapable of thinking and observing, or forming intelligent opinions and observations.
You will mostly only have intelligent discussions with other expats and foreigners. While middle class educated Filipinos will only be able to speak English more fluently with you than average, they will still not usually be able to form intelligent opinions and observations.
The average IQ in the PH is something like 86, which is quite low. So if you are an intelligent reasoning person, you will feel out of place, since dumb and simplicity seems to be the norm while thinking is out of place.
Also, the incompetence and inability to answer simple questions will seem quite annoying, especially if you demand competence and straight answers.
- Most people's English is only at the basic level. They understand you if you ask simple questions like:
"Where is the CR? (bathroom)"
"What time is it?"
"Where are you from?"
Those they will understand and respond. But if you ask them:
"Can I apply this retroactively?" or ask them things involving steps, details or specifics, they will struggle and look confused.
They also are not accustomed to intellectualizing over concepts. For instance if you say to them, "The term 'pure Filipino' is an oxymoron because by definition a Filipino is a mix of different ethnicities, not a purebreed", most will not understand this statement, nor will they know what "oxymoron" means.
In Asia such intellectual musings and observations are considered useless and irrelevant in day to day practical life anyway. Instead, people's minds are used to focusing on simple practical matters only.
Therefore, when travel guides such as Lonely Planet say that everyone in the Philippines speaks fluent English, it's more of a politically correct statement than the truth.
- Most waitresses in the Philippines are very simple (dumb and clueless to put it bluntly). They cannot fix problems or answer questions, only take orders and send them to the kitchen. But when you ask questions or request that items be altered, they seem to get a "brain fart".
They are especially clueless when you ask them why the same dish isn't prepared like it was last time. In such cases, they can do nothing but deny, deny, deny. They can only get the cook or manager to discuss it with you.
What's odd about this is that they seem to have a photographic memory of faces and will recognize someone they haven't seen for three years even, yet they can't recognize when items in their restaurant have been changed (usually for the worse).
When it comes to dealing with problems and issues, Filipina waitresses struggle, act confused and look blank, for such things are outside their box. They just don't like to think.
And that's annoying to accuracy oriented people with high standards, especially when we are trying to solve a problem. Therefore, I'm no longer shy to tell a Filipina waitress, "God you are sooooooo DUMB!" since it's often completely justified. And after all, a clueless person usually cannot feel insult anyway.
- Since many customer service people are clumsy, incompetent and not serious about efficiency, you have to double check everything to make sure they didn't mess up, since mistakes are frequent.
- If you are a perfectionist or have a bad temper about things going wrong, you will be often annoyed like hell in the Philippines.
- Most girls that date foreigners usually come from poor families who will expect you to support them or give her an allowance that she can use to support them. In other words, they will attempt to leech off you shamelessly. If you are frugal and prefer to save rather than to spend, your will will be constantly in conflict with their will.
- If you are a foreigner, there will be a double standard against you in that locals are allowed to be stingy toward you, giving you nothing for free and counting every peso. However, you are expected to be a super generous Santa who is happy to give away things for free, and you are supposed to be willing to spend away from your "bottomless pockets" without complaining.
In fact, although they may call a foreigner "kuripot" (cheapskate in Tagalog) if he is frugal or tries to save money, it is very odd and o
I hear ya @N. Imagine how much more frustrating it is for us to be hurting from problems caused by bad egg filipinas from our country, then get blasted for voicing our unhappiness. It makes no difference who from your country is causing us problems. We have acknowledged that some of you are good people. How does that help us solve the problems caused by your bad people?
From reports everywhere, it is not just the bar girl filipinas in the places you mentioned that are trouble. Many men have been introduced to them by "common" contacts, then ended up in the same disastrous nightmares. Your people are extremely eager to introduce filipinas to foreign men, even married ones! Why??? So don't expect us to be tolerating this in silence. We will not.
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...out of place for a foreigner to call a Filipino a "kuripot" because Filipinos are expects to be stingy, but foreigners aren't.
- People have a "do whatever you feel like and to hell with the consequences" attitude, which can be fun but sometimes hazardous too. They are prone to act out without inhibition.
- People have a strong sense of loyalty and duty to family, but not a strong conscience, sense of ethics, morality or fairness. Lying is not considered wrong, but a normal tactic. There is no guilt when one does wrong. There is a mentality that everyone has "an equal opportunity to ripoff each other".
- Many businesses have low ethics. The business mentality is generally stingy and greedy at the same time, a bad combination. They will charge high prices for low quality and services if they can get away with it. The mentality is "to hell with customer satisfaction, there is always another sucker out there to profit from". Filipino people may be kind and non-anal, but Filipino businesses and organizations are anything but, and in fact have low ethics and are stingy. They think nothing of using misleading advertising and claims.
The customer service concept is still undeveloped. There is not a real understanding of the relationship between "price and value", probably due in part to an overeager desire to make a quick buck. This is why in restaurants and stores, some items are underpriced while others are overpriced.
They don't even understand the concept of giving discounts for buying more. For example, in a grocery store, if a 100kg product sells for 100p, then a 200kg case of the same product will sell for 200p, exactly double. Usually, the more you buy, the more discounts you get, but they don't get that concept.
Waitresses are also not trained to come to your table after serving you and asking "How is everything? Is there anything else I can get you?" Instead they just ignore you after serving your order. Many hotels do not even check that their toilets and showers are working before renting out their rooms to customers. This is true even in expensive hotels and resorts! There are simply no quality control standards.
- Communication skills are not articulate or skillful (which is true of Asia in general). Thus when you try to get directions, they will usually be vague, not exact or step-oriented, and get you lost often. So when you try to dig for information, you have to be patient, persistent and probing, because frankly speaking, communication skills in Asia tend to suck.
- There is a lack of common sense in that mistakes are often repeated over and over again, as if they never learn from them. For example, if food is left out to spoil and has to be thrown away, they don't try to prevent it from happening again, but simply do it again and again. If during a party, someone puts their beer bottle on a narrow wooden plank, which common sense tells you will fall in only a matter of time, and it does fall as predicted, they simply do it again next time. When mothers give their toddler kids drink and food to hold, which they then spill all over the ground, the mother does not learn from that, but simply repeats the mistake again, resulting in the same consequence.
And if kids get hurt or maimed from playing with fireworks and throwing them in front of people on public streets, they simply do it again and again, like they don't care.
This is not just a lack of common sense, but a form of madness without regard for consequences too. It also shows a lack of regard for safety and wasting resources.
- There is a lack of education and knowledge regarding nutrition and health. In general, Filipinos do not age well. If you are involved with a Filipina, you may notice that after 25 - 30, their looks start to go down. They do not age as well as their Chinese and Japanese counterparts do. This is probably due both to a combination of genetic factors (handed down from their ancestors) and malnutrition from low quality unhealthy foods.
Therefore, if you are seriously involved with a Filipina, you will need to educate her on proper nutrition, healthy eating, fitness/exercise and other health related matters, if you want to help preserve her beauty and youthfulness for as long as possible.
Never mind, your such an idiot moron
What a bastard thoughts about philippines hahahaha this people im 100% sure from mental hospitals, come visit my family 100+hectars farm and i show you gooks how lucky we are than you morons,
I have put a spotlight on the Philippines and its people, it seems.
LOL!
That article that I posted makes you wonder why foreigners want to go to the Philippines...it can't be because of the food or culture.
It must be the cheap sex.
Thank you for sharing that link. Then you should read all the articles there. I bet you will enjoy reading these too
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2006/reader22
And if anyone wants to read a lot of articles there not necesarily about the Phils then check the Site
i guess Ultra magnus got an experience about it. thanks for reminding us man! but Filifino women will only do that to you if you have some bad attitude :P everything is for a reason :) try having a clean intention :) blessed be and be blessed :) Filifino women are a bit conservative they hate pervs :) they got a pride.
i guess Ultra magnus got an experience about it. thanks for reminding us man! but Filifino women will only do that to you if you have some bad attitude :P everything is for a reason :) try having a clean intention :) blessed be and be blessed :) Filifino women are a bit conservative they hate pervs :) they got a pride.
@nevermind, my parents didn't raised me and provided me good education just to act on your level, so, God bless you.
To haters, STAY AWAY from the Philippines and it's people if it's ruining your life and turning you to be this kind of people, so you can have a good life, okay? You always have a CHOICE and FREEDOM, use your head, so you wouldn't be blaming others for falling short yourself. Move on, I hope you won't stay BITTER all your life and be BETTER persons.
@Objectivelyspeaking, I don't know your story actually, but I can tell you are a good person..just hurt. I wish you find happiness in your life. You deserve it. God bless you.
@tanfrmaustralia `you made us(filipinas) down why?? why??hurt me so much i can't swallow it at all.. why generalise????
Well I am not into this post for discriminating a Filipina, why? because not all of them do the same and Filipinas do find another man if she finds out that she is also maltreated with hi foreign husband so ho come and what do you think if you are either abused or any form of maltreatment would not leave your husband? I think you are only looking at a one side. why not look at the other side? or both? Well I appreciated your idea of posting it because it is also a precaution but then in the end it is still the choice of foreign people either to choose a Filipina or not.
@Tansagook, thanks for posting that articles. My friend TanfromAustralia who's from Vietnam and not from Australia now feel very proud by his fellowmen's very kind doings, right Tan? hahahah yeah Vietnamese women are way better than the Filipinas in whoring. Now I was thinking why Tan married an Aussie girl?.. I think you should defend our country instead of grinding your teeth. =D
why people getting upset because the truth been told.
@N:
You are right. Foreigners should stay away from the Philippines because your country and your people almost always tend to create misery and turmoil for the world at large.
That is what I have been saying this whole time.
D!ckhead, I feel way more proud of myself and where I came from than you ever could. At least I never had to prostitute myself and beg for money. That article that I just posted above is really accurate, isn't it? That is the truth about life in the Philippines. Not incentive for tourism, is it?
ooohhh Tan my friend now you're grinding your teeth again. You were saying that you are proud of where you came from? That's why you're using TanfromAustralia instead of using your own country name Vietnam? Very well said friend.. Don't you ever come back to Vietnam because you will see a lot of pussies shouting your name.. I don't care about the Philippines, I care about you my hero friend.
@N - Thank you for that and I know you are a good filipina too. I am a woman who has never been a direct victim of a homewrecking filipina. A number of male posters here are not "old, fat and ugly" filipina scam victims which filipino posters like to generalize while accusing us of generalizing. I am among the many foreigners who are posting observations and caution to others as we feel the need to protect our society, seeing the appalling misdemeanors committed by the increasing number of reckless filipinas in ours. The Stickman article shared by @TanfromAustralia is just one of several posted by different foreign observers I have come across echoing one another. I have also read articles posted by your own people in agreement, expressing the need for your people to wake up and smell the roses in the context of getting a reality check.
Denying or ignoring problems don’t ever solve but only compound them. This has been happening in PH for so long it is now infiltrating foreign countries as a result of filipina diaspora through “marrying”. “Marrying” in quotes because they are mostly scams. We need to stem this flow of PH bad elements into our various countries because we don’t want our societies to become like yours.
As for staying away from PH, legit tourists already are. What do the most recent tourism number of 19M to Malaysia, 13M to Singapore (a single tiny island with no natural resources) and a mere 3.9M to PH of 7100 islands and vast natural beauty tell you?? If you look at PH tourism numbers closely, the gradual marginal increases coincide with the increasing proliferation of filipina dating/mail-order brides websites in the last 10 years. How many of the 3.9M tourists were men invited by scamming filipinas and their families to take “vacation” photos for that fiancée visa application? We are already 10 years late in taking a serious enough look at the big picture.
I don’t mind sounding like a broken record because I know how hard it has been for the few good people in your country to get the overwhelming majority of bad or undereducated people to do the right thing for your country’s common good. If anything our efforts here support theirs, just that too few of you seem to realize.
we are not raised to give back money to our parents when we grow up and get a job..we are just trained that our parents matters..and we have to take care of them when they grow old because we are not like the others who have the heart to kick their parents to the home for the aged because they've grown old and saw them as useless and burden.
our culture gives a value to family ties. i am not here to fight..its just that, you have to be fair enough. just because you were offended by one person doesnt mean you have to hate the whole nation..
dont be so bitter!
Asian women in general are pretty bad - all about the money. As a good fiend of mine put it before i moved to Asia for my job, 90% of Asian chicks are whores, it just depends ow you pay. At the time I kicked his arse over such a nasty comment. Within a year of living in Asia, i was thanking hum for the advice.
An Asian chick will put money over love, and conversely to what you think, the poorer the country, the less grateful the woman, as they not only suddenly have access to a cash cow, they also have low morals because there upbringing/need for survival makes them streetwise, knowing how to sceam and sham guys.
The Phillipines I have found to be the worst due to the culture being accepting of lies, where as we in the West (im English) have the opposite culture, i.e. that honesty is best.
Its frustrating, but thats the way it is.
There are some decent Filipina women of course, but if your gonna date one, date an educated with with a decent job.
They may not be the hottest, so enjoy the hotties when your single and while your looking for a good long term option.
Think with your head, not your dicks.
We all have fallen into that trap (all guys do lol), but you will only fall like that once, just depends how badly you get burnt, either emotinally, monetry, or both.
Take my advice, if you have yellow fever, head to Japan. Educated, attractive, an old nation (in terms of development) and the girls are financially independent.
Dont trade down your standards just for a good fcuk, of which filipinas can be. A great fcuk is not a long term relationship option, its a short term fun option.
Remember, a lot of filipina girls dont actually like whites guys. They only like the content of your pocket (back pocket, you dogs! Although in fairness, they may like whats in the front one too!)
They like the idea of a Eurasian baby for sure, but not necessarily a guy who will expect honesty, faithfulness and to be treated with respect. Its an alien concept to them, as lieing and being unfaithful is to us.
Interestingly, the Phillipnes is the only place in the world I have been with a girl where the guys actually were happy I was dating one of there girls.
Usually when ive been abroad, the guys of that country dont like me dating one of 'their own'. I find tht normal.
I found it weird the guys there were telling me it was great and she would make a great wife.
Im convinced the reason was because hey knew there would be knock on financil benefits to her and her (extended) family.
PH chicks are for fun my friends, rave safe :)
Kristina - you miss the point.
Most guys who fall for a filipna girl expect some financial obligation.
We dont mind it.
If your serous about the girl, you just accept that.
The problem comes when we STILL get the lies and bullshit along with it.
I expect honest and resect fron any girl I am with, whatever the nationality. Thats a basic of a relationship.
If im financially obligated, i actually expect some gratitude and humility as well. I dont accept lies and dishonesty, but unfortunately thats what we get a lot of the time.
Yep your right, dont be bitter, just accept it for what it is. We dont like being a walking ATM when were not gettign respected, just like PH girls dont like to be treated like whores.
You play your part, we'll play ours.
You can't have your cake and eat it i'm afraid.
Yes not all Filipinas are users/goldiggers but hey, can't blame the guys who were victimized by this. I feel ya. You see, Filipinas are smart like that. I understand them because we have no idea what they are going through in the Philippines. So if opportunity comes they grab it fast and always think about their future.. Well basically more on financial stability. I know a lot of them and sad to say they are not happy. So, you can't really say they're bad in a way. They do it for a reason. There's no good or bad. Just how it is.
@KriStiNa, i agree on your point about look after your parent then they grow old but that don't mean deceiving others to do it,one must work hard and honest to achieve their goals in life not go in other people countries to wreck homes just to support their families and brag to friends how good one doing.
Oh c'mon gimme a break! How can anyone say wrecking someone's marriage, seducing someone's husband into adultery, getting pregnant with someone else's husband behind the wife (employer)'s back, robbing someone's children of their rightful inheritance is "no good or bad".
all i have to say is this all of them will be going back to here they come from just after election they will be pack up and send back home.it my country , they need to go back THEY JUST A BUNCH OF SUCKERS
@Kristina:
I truly don't give a f*** what you do with the money YOU have spent your time working for. You have a right to do whatever you want with YOUR own money.
I do have a problem with you girls working and using all of your money to remit back home so your lazy ass brother does not have to work, while at the same time, you girls have the expectation that your foreign husbands uses all of his income to support your own living needs.
This is a very common occurence in foreign men/filipina relationships.
You girls need to start having more pride in yourselves and stop leeching off the hard work of others.
@ Danii
No , your 100% wrong. Your atttiude is actually totally fucked.
All your justifying is girls being gold diggign liers.
So on that basis, are you OK with me encouraging Western guys to treat filipina girls like shit? ncourage western guys to lie, use, fuck, treat bad, and leave; right?
You dont like that m sure.
Like I said, if the girls show lot of respect and humility if they are lucky enough to land a Western guy, they might actually get treated well.
A lot of Western guys are realy decent IF you treat tem well. Its you people who need to learn, not us.
@Sneaky:
You have totally hit the nail on the head about exactly what is wrong with the filipino mindset.
hahaha! now we know why you said that filipino fathers put their daughters into prostitution (eventhough it's not true) beacause the fact is, it's very COMMON in Vietnam..not in the Philippines, sorry. Hoa hoa? haha! U have your great mess to clean, boy. Pathetic. Like what's found in many of stickman's stories. Read, boy.
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2006/reader22
Just like this, too??
"I wonder just how many good willed western men are deceived by Asian girls & then become hard, cold & intent on playing their own games of deceit with Asian girls. I wonder how many good willed Asian girls get deceived by those western men & then become hard, cold & intent on deceiving all western men they encounter. Is it a never ending crazy circle of life, creating masses of cold hardened deceitful Asian girls & cold hardened deceitful western whore mongers".
"I have generalized & stereotyped on the Vietnamese population to a large degree. Of course there are decent honest hard working Vietnamese people in the world. I just have not met a single one yet among the hundred or so Vietnamese persons that I have spent any amount of considerable time with, although nearly all of them did a very good job of pretending to be honest, decent people & my friend. All of them have either been part of the deception to which I was victim or ripped me off or lied to me at some time. Sad but true. So my opinion of Vietnamese people is not a good one. That is natural, as I come from a society where trust & honesty are highly regarded traits. A society slowly being polluted by mass immigration from other societies where saving face is more important than these ideals, I should add". Ouch.
Sweep your backyard first before sweeping other's backyards, boy. That's just an eenie meenie sample from your home Vietnam, too.
i am totally disagree of what did u say on this article, bcoz filipina girls aren't all the same, just same as anywhere in the world, you find some nice people and some are assholes....so don't you judge and put all filipina girls in the same basket....DON'T PUT EVERYONE IN THE SAME BASKET!!!!!!!!!!
My own backyard is very clean. I live in Australia, remember?
And I didn't have to f*** anybody to get into Australia.
Why are the men running to Filipino women? Could it be they are running away from strong European women who will not put up with their garbage anymore and are fleeing to women who appear to be more subservient? And what about those men who marry Asian women take them back to the Native land e.g. US Canada and then abuse them terribly to the point of murder inflicting sexual abuse and slave master conduct. And is it possible that the Filipino women have heard about these despicable conducts and are wary of these men’s intent.
Then you get what you deserve. All women worldwide should be respected in held in high regard. Women give birth to Mankind. No man can enter this world except through a woman. Start showing women with respect and then you will respect yourself enough to be respected.
You live in Australia but heart and soul and your fukcin' face is a gook. And yeah you don't have to fukc anyone because yours ancestors are fukcing refugees.
No wonder you've been degrading all Filipinos for you to feel at least not shameful being a gook but in REALITY you know how fukced up your roots as well.
And you married an Australian because you fukcin' hate your race.
You live in Australia but heart and soul and your fukcin' face is a gook. And yeah you don't have to fukc anyone because your ancestors are fukcing refugees.
No wonder you've been degrading all Filipinos for you to feel at least not shameful being a gook but in REALITY you know how fukced up your roots as well.
And you married an Australian because you fukcin' hate your race.
You have to know as well that not all Filipinos have to fukced anybody to be in Australia, Canada, US and so on..
Imagine how many GOOD Filipinos you are insulting when you are generalizing and degrading the whole population.
AND no don't say I am one of them whores. If you wanna dare compare our profile, achievements and family wealth. I will waste my time on you fool to put your foot on your mouth
@Trish what they give to the world they cannot take it back and they show us that they all are looking to get rich the wrong way, take for instant yesterday a friend call me and say come to see her which i dd and she take me outside to show me them women from your country there one woman she have a young daughter she selling the girl to men, it was the sickest nasdty shit i ever see ,they all doing maid job but they selling at the same time, but what they don't understand Bahamian men will fuck them and forget them , so i would advice those women sorry them men not going to give them their money, it very sad to see what your country women doing, they are the ones who give us information say all is a hoes and only one thing they have in mind is to get rich if they can.
there are many nationalities in our country and the only set of people trying to scam and lies is the women from PH,those other women from different countries no one hear nothing about, they work hard and keep themselves very respectful with each and everyone,but women from PHILIPPINES MY GOD.so don't you people come here try to talk shit they give us what we know so PLEASE DON'T BLAMES US, they need to change their ways
You are all devils! you praise lord or your own god then what??!! Continue to speak bad to others? everyone has a point about this and have freewill to say what they think about this nonsense!..Don't expect to much in everything you do!!!...your god! our god! gives us " BRAINS " to think!!! you can use it if your hurt enough and cut that fake love!! they gave us " HEART " to feel if you can change your partner or anyone to be good to you or save your relationship for good!!! Just don't be so selfish and judgmental...because if you that..YOU'LL BE ENEMY OF YOUR OWN GOD!!!BECAUSE OUR GODS DIDN'T TEACH US TO BULLY OTHERS OR SAY SOMETHING BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!
Im so drunk she tooook it alll ive spent my fortune on this whore omg she ruined my life my family im so stupid why did this happen to me shes ruined meeeeeeeeeeeee!
It all started with a simple facebook smile and i was in this fantasy land she was only 20 and im 43.Then it began my story she enticed me enchanted me i fell in love or what i thought was love.But i shouldve seen it coming it started out rather casual.Then she needed something so i didnt mind i western unioned her the money.Then something came up an emergency she needed something else before i knew i was in debt to the tune of 8000 dollars all sent via western union to this pinay chick all she had to do was shake her booty and smile she had me hook line and sinker then by mistake she sent a photo showing her wrapped up in her boyfriends arm.What a fool i was.Warning here for those looking for love dont be a fool such as i.They will suck you dry.Remember those words there out to milk you out of every dime you have.So DrSmith you want be the last and you definetly wasnt the first so get over it and stay the hell out of the Phillipines.There God is $$$$$$$$$$$$.
@runowa i don't speak from hear say i speak from what i see every day we have women from all over the world living and working here in my country none every do the things what you people trying to do THIS WHY WE SENDING ALL YOU HOES BACK HOME
WHAT AM FINDING STRANGE EVERY WOMEN WHO FROM PH COME ON HERE TALKING TRASH YOU ALL IS GOLD DIGGERS AND THE SOONER YOU PEOPLE GET YOU ALL ASS OUT MY COUNTRY IT THE BETTER FOR YOU ALL, YOU ALL ARE NOT WELCOME PERIOD....NO ONE FROM MY COUNTRY GOES TO YOURS THEY DONT EVER CARE SO WHY YOU PEOPLE TRYING TO DO SHIT IN MY PARADISE I WILL MAKE SURE EVERY LAST ONE GO HOME I SAY WHAT I MEAN AND MEAN WHAT I SAY.
To the d!ckhead above: confused about your identity...much?
First, you're 'gook' and then you're 'Fil-in-Australia'. I think you're probably just a whore still stuck in the Philippines waiting for your ticket out.
WOW , It cost me allmost a day to read what is written down here on this blog.I'm living in the the northern part of europe,born after 2th world war.I've been reading a lot in my life about history,but after nazi time,i've never saw such a lot of hate regarding a special race.sometimes in the name of the lord.I ask myself,who is your lord????
Cos of all the hate,maybe the devil ?
gosh! i can't believe how much ignorance is on here.....this is so sickening! if you're smart enough, u won't fall for a gold digger, no matter what race or gender that person is.stop hating and stop blaming the whole entire race for your naivety.
Your adopted backyard...but your sis and bros are there in your original backyard Vietnam. I know many many many many dark pits about your home country, especially about your people and your girls, too, even they would actually KILL the guy and sabotage the guy's family aside from milking EVERYTHING he has and using her body while her entire family/ community are evil accomplices (including the Police people). Sounds EXTREME? Yet TRUE, right? Most Vietnam fathers sell their daughters to prostitution and get involved with a foreigner with a planned plot.---But we didn't stereotype your race and say that the entire Vietnam and Vietnam girls are murderers and whores, like you do with the Philippines and it's people, right? Everywhere in the world there are evils in different sizes and forms. Filipinas are easily targeted by you because they are found almost everywhere around the world, there are tons and tons of educated and decent nurses, architects, wives, engineers, may it be nannies or domestic helpers, etc. that doesn't deserve the defacing you people are doing, because of the faults of other people of their race. Come on boy, widen your horizons. You are full of hatred, bitterness, prejudice..very judgmental, one-sided..
You people doesn't even heard the stories from the other side. Just keep on, your judgements here shows clearly what kind of people you are, how much wisdom you have, how childish and narrow-minded you are. Some people here are kept repeating like a scratched disc about those women who sell their bodies aside from their actual job descriptions, oh really? how about your people abusing and committed murder against them? did you hear their sides? of course not, nobody speaks for them. Whatever you say about them, oh at least they don't leave you breathless like the mongers did. What you just seem to notice and get to conclude is that their selling their bodies, right? What do you know more about them? and now you people are blaming and giving tags to the whole race? Umm, is your logic can only get that far? tsk..tsk..no wonder you can easily get into conclusions and theories that only favors your logic and intellect capacity. Just keep on with that bitterness, stereotype attitude,etc.and I will guarantee you a DULL life ahead of you.
oh so you don't have the brain to analyze? I first used the Tansagook. to say Tan is a gook. Then I've come to realized to unveil a little about me which i know it's already obvious.
You are a fukcin gooky face.. I said just dare me. We are not a family of refugees. And no fukcin way you can use that on me. SO what do you want? FAMILY WEALTH AGAINST FAMILY WEALTH? You are such a dumbass low life married an Aussie because you are nothing, LAwyer my smooth mocha asss. I am not here to work, just for holidays and I am making more than you do just sitting in the PH. How about you? How much do you get for posting here?
SOMEONE ON HERE MENTION THEY USING FACEBOOK TO SEE WHO THEY CAN GET , IT TRUE WE SET UP A FAKE ID AND THEY WAS ALL OVER IT OLD AND YOUNG SO IT SHOW ME THEY ALL GOLD-DIGGERS
People here...do not insult Filipino people...if you dont like People here in the Philippines..so why all allien man look for women for marriage??? Guys, who hates filipina are bitter and stupid. Use your brains...a lot of human being was believe in internet romance...not only Pinoy and Pinays make you stupid even in your country....most people there in your place are liars, cheaters...so stop blaming us if your love life makes you miserable...
@I am a Filipina, like i tell everyone before i don't hate people i hate the things they do, how you know people from my country lie and scam ,i don't blame them if you ask them for money guess what going to happen they going to lie to you, so please , they aint no fool, just as how you trying to play them they going to play you fools
YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME TELL YOUR PEOPLE STOP TRYING TO SELL THEMSELVES, WHEN THEY GET A JOB STOP TRYING TO SEDUCE THE WOMEN THEM HUSBAND, WOMEN FROM PH NEED TO GO HOLLYWOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD AT ACTING, I COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT YOU PEOPLE FROM PH SAYING GET OUT MY COUNTRY AND STAY IN YOURS DO YOU SEE NONE OF US COMING TO YOUR COUNTRY NO, THE WOMEN FROM PH HAVE NO FACE IF YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
@Fil-in-Australia:
So... I guess my hunch about you was right after all. You sound way too desperate, defensive and insecure for someone who claims to be so financially well off.
For all I know, you have probably come to Australia to prostitute yourself to Australian men. Over in the Philippines, filipino men have no penis AND no money and you figured that in coming over here, you could get much more work compared to you staking out foreign patronised bars in Manila.
If you are here on a "holiday", it is unlikely to be on your own money. The concept of a filipino person paying their own way through life is very rare in the context of filipino culture, where it is common to leech of other people.
Judging from the inarticulation and illiteracy of your post above to me, I doubt that you could get a work or skilled visa to stay in Australia.
Please remember that prostitution is not regarded as a "skilled" profession for an Australian work visa, even though it is the national profession for women in the Philippines.
You might want to transfer your "skills" to the Australian 'spouse' visa where your prospects will be better suited.
@TanfromAustralia man you have me laugh my head off, that a good one
You are not a man. A hunch about me and for the rest as well. You are so damnn wrong idiot .and you married an aussie so just to erase the gookness in the future.. Even your refugee ancenstors will be ashamed of you. A pretentious lawyer,nothing to do but post here and how's the sex life by the way? Well i guess you can type with one hand and the other one gotcha
See. If you can't afford to travel just for holidays. I feel sorry for you and your gookie monster face.
By the way, talkiing about penis, gooks have smaller to non existence and all of you can't be trusted
With my linarticulation or illiteracy? Or was it Tally's post you have been reading?
Poor Tally. Man i believe she's a woman so at least have some respect.
Tally i hope you are not offended.
I have lots of "authentic" aussie friends, i heard lots about all of you gooks. Shitt..Talking about work ethics. You are all damnn fukced up.
Nah you can't be a lawyer, do some research, mail to order brides, whores, scammers, work ethics, being racist it's in your blood man.
Filipinos are just not like you Tan from Vietnam who degrades other Asians to make themselves feel better.
hahahahahaha...i can't believe i'll find this hub funny when it ruined my day this morning. First of all, no one can stereotype any race.lol it's like saying all americans are caucasians.
I too had an experience with an american guy and it wasn't a good one. I met him online and he swept me off my feet. I fell in love with him so fast that i didn't see his true color. To make the long story short, he came here and we got engaged, had a ceremonial wedding in front of my people and all.Before I met him my life was well planned.I being a professional and having license to practice in the US, had a job offer there and as well in the UK. I planned to work in the UK while waiting for my papers to get processed for the US. I was bound for UK in 5 months when he asked me to marry him, told me to turn down all my job offers, and wait for our fiance visa to get approved. after a year,actually 3 months ago,he broke up with me for another girl. my whole crumbled, i lost the person who i thought was my one true love, i lost my career opportunities, and i don't know how to explain it to my family.Now, he wants me back, i am still heart broken but i can no longer take him back. I think he just wants me back because he is broke, he wasn't financially stable when met him to begin with. I could earn 3 folds of what he's earning.
Now I'm moving on with my life, picking up the pieces of what's left and i think I'm doing great.I'm just glad I'm out of the relationship.I actually thank him, it could have been worse.
Idk what you guys went through esp @TanfromAustralia and @tally, but it must have been so painful to make u say the harshest of the harshest words against my race, I fell so sorry for you guys. Having so much hatred in your hearts must be very consuming. I suggest that you try to get out more often, meet women, a filipina maybe lol, and have a life instead of staying online answering every single comment on here.Or maybe go to the some temple in India to release that aggression towards my race.:)
Lastly, you guys cannot isolate the gold digging scenario in my country, it happens all around the world, even in United States of America(excluding immig purposes though)It's not on the gender or the race.
And by the way that's a good joke. National profession? It takes a racist, a dumbass lawyer stating his opinion as facts to say such a thing.
Tally being inarticulate and illiterate doesn't mean you are wrong about what you think is right.
Go send those whores back where they belong and continue living in your paradise. Goodluck
I DONT CARE WHO EVER FIX THEIR MOUTH ALL AM SAYING I HAVE A GROUP RIGHT NOW WORKING TO SEE WHO IS HERE FROM YOUR COUNTRY AND WE GOING TO SEND THEIR ASS BACK TO THE PHILIPPINES, I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT NAME CALLING IT DON'T MATTER ME THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET THE HOES LECHES OUT OF MY COUNTRY.THE EDUCATED ONES ARE DOING THE SAME DIRT SO GET THEIR ASS BACK TO THEIR HOME.
I HAVE A LIFE,I WORK HARD FOR WHAT I GOT I NEVER LEAVE MY COUNTRY TO TRY GAIN ACCESS TO OTHER PEOPLE WEALTH OR LIE AND SCAM MY WAY IN LIFE.
CALLING ME NAMES AINT GOING TO CHANGE WHAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE SHOWED US THE TRUE COLOR,SO BEFORE ONE OF YOU PEOPLE KILL SOMEONE SON OR CAUSE PAIN TO OTHERS AND MAKING SURE MY COUNTRY STAY SAFE FROM THAT MESS, LET US DEAL WITH OUR OWN PROBLEM, AND YOU ALL TAKE THE NASTY MESS UP MIND YOU ALL HAVE BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.THE BEST THING YOU WHO HERE TALKING PLEASE SEND THE MESSAGE TO THEM WHO YOU KNOW HERE DOING SHIT
@iamapinay-improud,WHERE IN THIS ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH HURT, WHEN YOUR PEOPLE IS THE ONES SELLING THEMSELVES TO THE HIGHEST BID I SEE THESE WOMEN IN ACTION, IF A MAN DRIVE A NICE CAR OLD AND YOUNG FROM YOUR COUNTRY GO AFTER THEM, IF THEY ASK WHERE THEY WORKED AND IT SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE A GOOD JOB THEY TRY THEIR BEST TO GO AFTER THOSE MEN, WHAT ABOUT THE GOOD OLD FASHION WORK HARD AND GET WHAT ONE WANT, SOMETHING REALLY REALLY WRONG WITH YOU ALL PEOPLE, AND I MUST SIT LOOK AT WHAT GOES AND JUST LEAVE IT TOO MANY MOTHERS CRYING FOR THEIR SONS WHO VISIT PH AND NEVER RETURN A LIVE.
we have lots of ladies from Australia working and living in my country and never one day my people say bad things about them, they are ladies very respectful of themselves very up front not looking to scam or lie, they worked very hard unlike them women from PH WHO WORKING AND LOOKING HOW TO DIG IN SOMEONE POCKET
@iamapinay-improud WELL JUST AS HOW YOU ALL TRY SCAM THEM WHY DO YOU EXPECT TO GET BACK?
WHY GET MAD WITH US AND THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE SHOWING THE WORLD BE MAD WITH YOUR PEOPLE NOT US.
@tanfrmaustralia AKA tally etc YOU'VE BEEN HERE MORE THAN A YEAR POSTING, LOL! SEEMS YOU NEVER GO ON HOLIDAY.. HEHEHE
@tanfrmaustralia AKA tally etc IT'S 3AM IN AUSTRALIA AND YOU'RE STILL BUSY POSTING ATTACKING SEXY BEAUTIFUL FILIPINA LIKE ME! ARE YOU REALLY IN AUSTRALIA? OR YOU ARE JUST A DISABLED-WHEEL-CHAIR BOUND GAY IN HANOI?? LOL
am fully blood Bahamian, living in my own country i run way to other people country i love my paradise call home
you so stupid going on holiday don't mean i don't have access to network ass
PLEASE TELL ALL THE HOES AND PIMPS FROM YOUR COUNTRY LEAVE NOW, OR THEY WILL BE DEPORTED AND NO WORK PERMIT WILL BE GRANTED WE DON'T NEED THEM
@tally AKA tanfrmaustralia I won't. YOU TELL THEM TO LEAVE. LOL. GOSH, HAVE SOME SLEEP, girl. NOT GOOD FOR THE SKIN TO BE AWAKE TILL 5AM.. LOL
@tally AKA tanfrmaustralia I won't. YOU TELL THEM TO LEAVE. LOL. GOSH, HAVE SOME SLEEP, girl. NOT GOOD FOR THE SKIN TO BE AWAKE TILL 5AM.. LOL
@tally AKA tanfrmaustralia I THINK U R LIVING IN AN OLD CARAVAN LOCATED IN A WOODED AREA USING A DONGLE??? LOL!
@tally AKA tanfrmaustralia I THINK U R LIVING IN AN OLD CARAVAN LOCATED IN A WOODED AREA USING A DONGLE??? LOL!
@tanfrmaustralia AKA tally etc YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A SECOND GRADE TRYING HARD COPY CAT! PAK! LOL
IT'S MORE FUN IN THE PHILIPPINES! MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!!!
@tally, you make me laugh so hard.you poor poor thing.you're not even from america.lmao.i have another suggestion,have some rough sex with your partner, if you have one, to release that pent up negative energy. If you don't have one, try touching your self. lol. Kidding aside, if you really wanna make the world a better place, start within by re channeling ur energies.try having tantric sex, it can be very helpful.
you might find the reason why foreign guys, despite of my country's bad reputation, still wants to come and marry filipna ladies.
try to get some rest, we people with lives have more things to worry about, other than this funny thread.
ps. don't waste your time devoting your comment to my name coz i won't see it.I am unfollowing this thread.
The cheap sex and begging is what still drives foreign guys to the Philippines...
very true cheap sex they have no shame
we don't want them in our country so go back where you all come from
WE AS BAHAMIANS DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR COUNTRY, I HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HIRE THEM KNOW WHAT THEY ALL ABOUT AND SHIP THEM BACK
I think the best thing to do guys is just dont date flip flops.
Fuck them but all means cos some (not all) are hot.
Not as hot as they think, but credit where it is due, some are hot.
However, when it comes to morals, decency, honesty etc......well lets just say reputations ALWAYS come from truth.
Stereotypes are ALWAYS based on fact.
Are the Chinese rude and loud? Not all of them......but most filipinas I have spoken to think this, an opinion I share with them.
Sad fact is, many filipinas lie due to the situation they were born in.
I suggest its not a good idea to date them - I guess fortunately as a good looking guy (my ex from Europe was a fashion model) I can be pragmatic about this.....but even THAT makes a good point.
I am a decent looking, faithul guy with a good job, and my filipina ex STILL felt it necessary to lie to me.
Its not about you as a person guys - its about how low quality they are as people and how it is culturally in-grained in them to lie and deceive.
I suggest you try other natinalities - the girls are as pretty, they treat you better and they can cook lol
Plus the other girls aren't as desperate...
And before any Flip Flops start fuckign moaning - this board is a thread about why to be wary of PH girls.
It seems there are not boards like this for other nationalities, so I guess must be something in it.
ANY guy you tell in Asia that you are dating a filipina, the first thing they say is 'be carefl, i had this friends who blah blah blah......'
Flops of flop land - just accept it, you have a bad rep for a reason, and all we are doing is warning our fellow dudes around the World why they should prob look elsewhere!
Get you own board if ou wanna slag caucasias guys off - it wont bother me :)
1 gook with multiple names
No, 1 filipino whore with multiple names...
Every time another poster comes out of the wood work to say something similar to my views, the filipino posters accuse them of being me. I assure you it is not me posting using other names. The writing styles are completely different.
Why is it so hard for filipino people to accept how the majority of the world feel about them? Do filipino posters think they are so wonderful and so highly regarded by the world that very few people would have anything disparaging to say about them?
Or is that that the truth is too hard for them to accept?
@ tanfrmaustralia AKA tally etc SHUT UP AND GO CHANGE YOUR CRUSTY UNDERWEAR FOR A CHANGE. LOL HALT DEIN MAUL, DU SCHEISS VIETKONG. LOL
@iampinay-improud:
As to your comment about why foreign men want to marry filipinas despite their bad reputation...
...from my previous experience as a former immigration lawyer during which I observed many of these relationships, the reason is:
Filipinas don't present any challenge to Western men. Filipinas are to desperate and needy, which is why they cater to the whims and needs of these men. Beggars can't be choosers. In a way, both these men and filipinas are beggars. Think about it and you will know what I mean.
A lot of men can't cope with Western women because they are too honest, confident, assertive and financially independent. These women don't put up with shit from men whom are immature, selfish, ugly and controlling.
These men are incapable of working on themselves to improve themselves, so they opt for women from poor countries whom seek out to hook up with these men because they need to improve their life situation.
It's set out in black and white. What is there to be perplexed about?
These men prefer filipinas because filipinas present no challenge and are way too easy.
Filipinas can't get men on equal footing nor can these men get Western women on equal footing, hence the trade off.
"pinaysexy"...?
Is that a profile name for a dating website?
tanfromAustralia don't forget most of them come from broken homes where no love was shown so them hoes at their beck and call they think is real love.i just like your last post it true , because am looking at those men they going around with i pity them.
JAWOHL! KANNST DU MICH AM ARSCH LECKEN, BITTE SCHÖN! LOL
@tanfrom"ausralia" never answers the logical comments that pins him everytime, because he knows he is out of the point.
@tally aka tallysman devil, i feel pity to people like you who lacks logical and analytical thinking. Your comments and way of thinking shows how much logic you have, what kind of person you are and how much your 'education' helped you to be 'that' kind of person..this goes with tan from Vietnam, also. I know this will be like a never-ending-story because you people just don't have a capacity to think logically in a right manner, so you will just proceed with your fetish which includes the following: discrimination, stereotyping, being a racist, a hater with an ill logic, and a lot more to mention. Now, are you happy completely? A child beggar from the street who is innocent is much happy even though he doesn't have to put in his mouth, at least he doesn't have foul and filthy things coming from it as opposed to your 'hobby'. Good luck for the 'rest' of your life.
@tanfrom"ausralia" never answers the logical comments that pins him everytime, because he knows he is out of the point.
@tally aka tallysman devil, i feel pity to people like you who lacks logical and analytical thinking. Your comments and way of thinking shows how much logic you have, what kind of person you are and how much your 'education' helped you to be 'that' kind of person..this goes with tan from Vietnam, also. I know this will be like a never-ending-story because you people just don't have a capacity to think logically in a right manner, so you will just proceed with your fetish which includes the following: discrimination, stereotyping, being a racist, a hater with an ill logic, and a lot more to mention. Now, are you happy completely? A child beggar from the street who is innocent is much happy even though he doesn't have to put in his mouth, at least he doesn't have foul and filthy things coming from it as opposed to your 'hobbies'.
Good luck for the 'rest' of your lives.
TALK ALL YOU WANT THEM HOES WE RUNNING THEM OUT OUR COUNTRY , THEY JUST LIKE PARASITES, IF HEY HAVE ANY SHAME,THEY THINK PEOPLE LIKE THEM NO BECAUSE THEY ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES AND SCUM BAGS , THEY HAVE NO MORALS, THE TRUTH HURTS YOU PEOPLE THEN LEAVE MY COUNTRY AND GO BACK WHERE YOU ALL COME FROM
PARASITES, HOES, NO MORALS,LEAVE MY COUNTRY Filipinas,YOU ALL PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING SHAME TO MY COUNTRY GO HOME, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY SHAME,
I'm just 16 and it hurts me so much how this foreign men look down my fellow country men :(
if you have bad experiences here then that's the price
of not using your brains
just go back where you from and find true love there to end up this very long discussion
god bless to all
I'm just 16 and it hurts me so much how this foreign men look down my fellow country men :(
if you have bad experiences here then that's the price
of not using your brains
just go back where you from and find true love there to end up this very long discussion
god bless to all
Talk all you want. Generalizing one race makes you a sick in the head person.
You're accusing ME of being illogical?' When your IQ rises above 86 and you work out the definition of that word, then you will sound logical.
It's just as well that I am smart enough to have never travelled to the Philippines nor having any interpersonal relationships with you people.
I know how it is for the men you people have screwed over.
What lies in your blood is worse. Once a Vietnamese always a Vietnamese.
@tanfrmaustralia AKA tally etc FYI, WE ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO VIETKONGS. JUST STAY WHERE YOU ARE. SEEMS YOU NEVER GO ON HOLIDAYS ANYWAYS. JUST SITTING THERE AND POST HERE EVERY MINUTE, DAY AND NIGHT FOR OVER A YEAR NOW! WHAT AN EFFORT LOL GET A LIFE! YOU'RE NOT BETTER! YOUR CRAP-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH ENTERTAINS SOME OF US HERE ANYWAYS. LOOOOL
Hahaha! oh, @TALLY, TALLY, TALLY.. Here you go again, showcasing your ignorance and your FILTHY mouth. Did you learn that from school?? Were you a drop out?? I guess it's an innate characteristic of yours that will stay with you forever. By the way, you are actually doing my countrymen a huge favor. Thank you tallysman devil. ;D We don't want them to be near your company, either, abusers! Umm, by the way, I like your english grammar more, kind of entertaining. Haahaha! Your filthy mouth is just DISGUSTING. You are much worse than the people you deface as your hobby. Dios por santo, I hope everything you say won't BOUNCE BACK to you. ;o
TANFROM'AUS?', I am not accusing you, I am teling you that you are illogical. ;D
@hoahoa, I like it what u said there, 'once a Vietnamese, will always be a Vietnamese, INDEED! hahaha!
them Filipinas need to stay out of people countries with them bad self then we don't have nothing to say to them
there's no need to discuss or even vent out anyone's frustrations nor opnion on this matter. whatever experiences we have may be good or bad should be dealt accordingly... be it filipinas or other nationality. to each is her own. just remember the saying "do not do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you"... and KARMA's a BITCH! :))
LET ME SAY SOMETHING I TRAVEL THE WORLD ASSES, AND HOES BUT GUESS WHAT I PAY FOR MYSELF WITH MY OWN MONEY WHAT I WORK HARD FOR, I DON'T SCAM OR LIE TO GET MY WAY IN LIFE SO PISS ON YOU HOES,NO FACE SET OF PEOPLE.I DON'T COME TO YOUR COUNTRY I DON'T NEED TO, SORRY THE TRUTH HURTS SO BAD THE ONLY THING YOU ALL CAN DO IS CALL US NAMES BUT GUESS WHAT I CAN DO BETTER DRAG YOUR PEOPLE ASSES TO DETENTION CENTER
@tanfrmaustralia AKA tally
LOL tell it to the marines, dumm kopf! dream on! you travel the world through google lol
SO YOU PEOPLE FROM PH TELLING ME IT OK TO KILL SOMEONE HUSBAND, SON , BROTHERS OR UNCLE IS IT OK, BREAKING UP PEOPLE FAMILIES AND IT OK, YOU NEED TO TELL THEM KARMA IS A BITCH NOT US, WE ARE TELL YOU PEOPLE GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY WITH THE MESS DONT BRING SHAME TO US KEEP IT IN YOU ALL COUNTRY, SO THEY TELLING AM WRONG, PLEASE, DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW MANY MEN AND WOMEN END UP DEAD BECAUSE YOU ALL PEOPLE
ok ok.. i give up. i'm tanfromaustralia alright and others . i'm just a bitter vietnamese who is suffering depression because of my dissability and seeking refugee visa to stay here in australia. i confess i'm the same person who attack filipinas. i'm just jealous of their beauty. i'm a looser i know...
D!ckhead, you're still a whore from the Philippines still waiting to get a visa out. You're the bitter one because you have to suck 60 year old penis and pretend to enjoy it.
oh i'm sorry.. i'm bipolar... i admit.. mood swings you know.. i suffer different personalities as well.. one moment i'm Tally, one moment im tan...can't help it. i need to go to mental hospital....
And you're just 1 whore who is offended by the truth.
It would not surprise me in the least that you have been responsible for pretending to be other filipino posters in this thread.
Thereby you are accusing me of doing exactly what you are doing.
That is what is so disgusting about your culture and people.
A whore is a whore is a whore...is a desperate filipina.
Go suck d!ck. At least you would be doing something which comes naturally to you.
@TanfromAustralia - They are just trying to wear us out so we leave this board, giving them free reign to continue ripping off the world, scamming the suspecting, robbing the innocent. They are stepping on the gas because more men are coming on board to confirm everything we have posted and then some. Tenacity is what we've got. We didn't post here all these months and give up now. Yes, this is really me.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thanks for that. I totally agree with you about their defensive strategy.
We never expect for you 2 to leave this thread especially the Vietnamese. This is his life. Without this hwe will just go back staring of the space or pleasuring himself with his dirty Vietnamese hands
@Hoahoa
Once a FLIP, always a FLIP. Once a pinay ho, always a pinay ho
Have been away on a project. Glad to see TanFromAustralia, Objectivelyspeaking and others keeping Ultramagnus' forum alive to warn unsuspecting And naive men about the flim-flam Flip-scan tactics.
Typo: I meant flim-flam Flip-Scam tactic.
Another thing: If you google "crab mentality" you'll find this characteristic to be more attributed to the Filipino culture than any culture. And even the more educated Filipinos admit this is what is holding them back. Combined with an opportunist attitude, corruption, greed and envy, its no wonder the Philippine reputation among First World countries is poor.
More trash talking? Keep them coming. The world needs to see your true chameleon colours in all their pigments.
Instead of blindly spewing trash talk which is a repeat broadcast of the same stupidity played out on this board four months ago, how about telling us what you see in the future of your country The Philippines, given its present socio-economic disaster and abysmal reputation? A reputation women from other countries, Asian or beyond, do not share.
What part of this thread that only pinays sell themselves out of their country via scam dating/mail-order brides websites do most of you PH people still don't get? What's the next lie you want to spew? That Thai, Vietnamese and Chinese women do the same? Oh yeah, you already did. By posting your scam profiles on Chinese websites to facilitate your lies.
You know it would actually be relaly interesteing to do a thesis on flip culture.
I genuinley thought when i started dating my gf, she would be quite grateful to have a good looking guy with a decent job, and one where there was just 10 years difference in age (as is usual for me - i look young for my age, lucky me!)
In fact, she just saw it as her right to lie and use a caucasian...
The fact is, flops both simultaneously love themselves and despise whites.
Their deep seated jealously and bitterness about us being the 'haves' and they being the 'have nots' means in there head, they genuinely feel justified in using us and if they get away with it, hey its out fault not theirs......they are just addressing the income inbalance - its fine to do it.
At the same time, they actually feel we 'owe' them because we are wealthy and they are not.....they actually love themselves that much they see it as justified to scam....or as they see it, not scam but 'take what the wealthy nations should give the anyway'.
The fact is, their mindset is different to most peoples - if you REALLY wanna be with one, you have to totally reprogramme their mind.
It took me about a year to do this with my gf and a lot of educating along the way.
She admits now that the West is far more advanced and that many of her views were totally wrong before.
Its very hard to do, and i have questioned whether it has been worth it. In fact, the realisation that her own nation has failed due to internal problems and not because the West exploits them has been pretty tough for her to accept.
Guys - if you really love your girl, stay with them but dont get used, treat her pretty harshly and be prepared to go through a painful process.
If she loves you, she will stay with you however you treat her just like any chick (and no, i am not condoning violence here - thats just wrong, do it in an intelligent way)
But yeah, you have to go in with the view that your gonna get used/lie to and your gonna basically have to be an asshole for a while in return before she learns.
In short - give her the treatment she gives to you, tough love is the only way im afraid.
SO man up :)
Good to see you back @Halwick. I first came across the phrase "crab mentality" on posts made by foreigners trying to start small businesses in PH. Some are retired foreigners who thought they could help contribute something to build the PH economy. It seems nothing ever worked for a host of reasons, with "crab mentality" being one. To stay on topic, I did not paste those posts here, but they reflect the fundamental flaws in the PH mentality that led to all kinds of failures. If trouble stays within their country, and people are receptive to the honest truth, positive change can ensue. As we have already seen, that flawed mentality is drilled further into the ground by an obnoxiously arrogant attitude. We can't do much in changing the attitude of almost an entire nation. Best to just protect ourselves and stay the heck out of there.
Annnnndd I'm back on the thread to project my racist thoughts since this is sort of a dumpster for racism. "How is this racist," you ask? I guess you'd have to qualify what racism means to you; but in my book, the concept of designated national profession and all of these opinion-turned-fact paints the artificially judicious and completely prejudice picture. So if this is the place to do it:
Tally is probably some monkey nigger from the Bahamas, incapable of successfully supporting a family or completing a sentence. His struggle to prove a point beyond his language barrier is only less pathetic than his own understanding of his own filthy, hoe-infested country. Sorry, brada'
And Tan is a filthy noodle slurping chink having problems seeing his racism because his eyes are too small. His education gets him by, but then you realize that his tenacity and eagerness is only satiated by slamming an entire race down. I can tell, though, that he really likes that S&M shit. I'm not sure how they do it in Vietnam or whatever other shitty gookshit country you are from, but being a lawyer usually means you've a responsibility to uphold the law. You're kind of a disgrace to Australia and I'm not sure if the country is big enough for assholes like you. Move back to Nazi Germany circa WW2. You'd probably overthrow Hitler; the racist force is strong in you. Congrats?
Objectivelyspeaking: dude, fuck you, you KKK dick. How can you pretend to be so diplomatic when you've such a carnal and illogical hatred for one KIND OF PERSON. Fuck, I know you don't care about brown-people opinions but I kind of hate your kind and I think people like you are worthless shits of humanity. You are the worst kind of waste of life and I truly hope that your dense ass gets rectified by Tally's people.
I am a first-hand victim of a random Filipina hoe and even I can't foster the kind of hatred you seem to cultivate. Learn some grace you nasty fucks.
@BreezyUSA:
Lol!
Bitter...much?
Hahaha you've no idea
I've come to realized something.. You are one damn pinay yourself. and don't want anymore pinay whores to out-throne you. @halwick i agree, one a filipina whore aleays a filipina whore!
@Hoahoa:
Were you standing in front of the mirror looking directly at your reflection when you wrote the post immediately above?
@BreezyUSA
I'm sorry FOR WHAT I SAID. I HEAR VOICES... THAT TIME, IT'S TAN... MY MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES IS KICKING AGAIN. I AM JUST TOO ENVIOUS TO YOU FILIPINOS.. I REALLY REALLY NEED TO GO TO MENTAL HOSPITAL!
i wish but i'm an ugly gook pretending to be a lawyer. fml
As an immigration lawyer for 6 years, i've been doing body-building so to divert those eyes on my body and not to my itsy bitsy little pp
No, I think you're a prostitute pretending to be a working girl....
No, I think you're a prostitute pretending to be a working girl....
no i am an immigration lawyer for 6 years! I'm a hood looking body builder! No! You filipinos are all whores. I don't need to suck a dick to be here in Australia.. I'm a lawyer and good looking and... Did i say i'm a lawyer already? And by the way goodlooking.
PLEASE OMG THE TRUTH HURT SO BAD, I DON'T CARE ABOUT NAME CALLING IT AINT GOING TO STOP ME FROM DOING WHAT IS RIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY
Still longing for that ticket out?
I am.. I'm longing for a ticket, even for free boat ride..i wanna go back to my home country Vietnam. I'm stuck here with no refugee visa, suffering depression, and manic disorder.. Posting here is my only way to release my tantrums... I'm autistic gook.
we hitting them so hard, they lost for words so they trying their best to run us no guess what no, be gone hoes and pimps leave my country no face no shame people.
@All - The following post was not made by me but by a pinay/pinoy imposter:
Objectivelyspeaking 3 hours ago
@BreezyUSA
I'm sorry FOR WHAT I SAID. I HEAR VOICES... THAT TIME, IT'S TAN... MY MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES IS KICKING AGAIN. I AM JUST TOO ENVIOUS TO YOU FILIPINOS.. I REALLY REALLY NEED TO GO TO MENTAL HOSPITAL!
What do you got? "You are a pinay whore waiting for the ticket.
" A lot of non asian already commented that not all but all of you still insist for what??? And Nah it's just that this thread is getting ridiculous because of the unacceptable shitty opinion pointed as facts by thevery intelligent pretentious lawyer Vietnamese and Tally the inartiiculate and iliterate psycho who just talk and talk and no action. It is impossible for you to do evil to good people. You can send the hoes back to their country but not all are bad. That you have to learn and you understand.
Tan is a Pinay whore that doesn't want to be out-throned by any pinay whores.
By the way, did I mention already that I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years and goodlooking?
Diplomacy is accorded where it is due...to those filipinos and filipinas who have earned it, and we do know of a few, although very few.
"I am a first-hand victim of a random Filipina hoe and even I can't foster the kind of hatred you seem to cultivate. Learn some grace you nasty fucks." - Oh yes we are very aware that whoring pinays don't discriminate. They do the same to educated higher class filipinas with nice husbands and houses too. What we do not condone happening in foreign societies is accepted as a norm in PH, that we also know. If you people of PH choose to live with low morality amongst yourselves as a given, that's up to you. It becomes NOT OK when your crap spills into our backyards. Our good societies are not built on apathy, but a strength and will to ensure common good by the efforts of each individual.
How about you PH people stoke up some fire in your bellies and do some good for your country? You would score a bit more respect from us than playing the race card, which ran out of steam on this board oh so many moons ago.
And don't sneer at @tally. Many pinays who posted here write less than half as well. Gee whiz am I glad I studied my English well, lest I be mocked of writing Chinglish by pinays who boast an English language proficiency.
your not a Filipino
don't judge and act like you
really know who we are
LIKE I SAY I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY EVERY PLACE THESE PEOPLE GO THEY ARE PROBLEMS, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM SPEAKING OUT THEN TELL YOUR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY.
are you really that mad because you capitalize all what youve said? lol xD
kren you people is just no face and have no shame for all the wrong you all doing.and i will campaign worldwide on you people for the mess
TALLY, don't you have anything more to say?? no more left in your brain?hahaha! you keep on saying the same things over and over again. By the way, you said you have a group working for the deportation of my countrymen, how is it doing? Do it ASAP, okay? I wish for nothing but their freedom from your 'nest. DO it well, okay??haha! Anyway, nobody wants you to be in the PH, you are not welcome here either, so no need to say that u will never want to go there. You are acttually making us a favor. At least we agree on that. hahaha!
I find this entertainging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZJ_RH-tLdM
http://asiabeneaththesurface.blogspot.com/2012/02/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-kepnes/why-ill-
http://travelogue.travelvice.com/vietnam/reasons-t
How's that TANFROMAUSTRALIA? when you write negative things about the philippines which are exaggerated, AS IF you don't have these nasty things going, too. Hahahaha! DON'T DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DON'T WANT OTHERS DO UNTO YOU. And you know what's funny? the people you really hate (whores,etc.that you say) don't even know about all these discussions about them..so there's no difference.hahaha! You're straining your self too hard, as if they can read your frustrations toward them. ;D
Oh, WHATEVER ObjectivelySpeaking! I know you laughed when you read my post. Lighten the hell up! OR does racism never sleep?
I'm not standing up for what a bunch of whores did because "bitches ain't nothin' but hoes and tricks" - Dr. Dre. Hahahaha! If people want to hook up with hoes, then I hope they're prepared to live a colorful and shitty life. As a proud Filipina, I'm able to admit that the Philippines has a lot of terrible shit going for it. I do hate the poor business management skills, questionable government policies, and I especially hate the sluts everywhere. BUT I also hate those things about America. And when I lived in Taiwan during my study abroad program, I hated all of those things as well. In addition to those horrible qualities, I also hated the fake, plastic-y bitches that stopped being racist when they found out I was Filipino-American. I've even learned some Mandarin from my school friends and from my housekeeper, which the Taiwanese people thought was ethereal and a great movement toward personal globalization. I love traveling and learning about other countries. I think it's funny that Taiwanese people think China people are "like wolves," according to my friend.
While it's sad that there's a lot of poverty in the Philippines (much like China, Korea, and many parts of America) there's so much to learn from each other. My favorite thing I learned in China was how to bargain: tai gwe lah! dwo shao chen? pinyieden!
I've to admit, I am addicted to this forum because I love it when people try to contribute to a bigger picture. It seems we're all looking forward to progress, and it makes me hopeful to see ObjectivelyRetarded standing up for his fellow non-Filipino world citizen. That's what it's all about, guys: solidarity!
Tally, I apologize for calling you an ignorant monkey brown-person -- regardless if you care for an apology or not. It's not your fault you don't speak English well. I'm sure you can write some intense hateful shit in your native language, so, uh.. good job? (Or whatever comment you're looking for.) Yay Bahamas!! It's the best, crime-less, most financially sound country ever! I can't wait for your next big move as a prosperous and peaceful country! =)
ObjectivelyCommunist, I take a lot of your comment as a compliment! Could it be that you assume that I am "highly educated"?? I am impressed and somewhat confused by the subtly of the stereotypes! I was going to ask you to get your "many moon" China-talk off this board, but I really ought to recognize you for showing some genuine class. I'm sorry you take yourself too seriously and were probably raised all Tiger-Mom style with no love. I hope you learn to enjoy people, but continue to hate sluts because I hate those bitches too! And yes, your English is very good.
TanFromAustralia, I endearingly mean every word I said. You're the best arguer on this whole board, but your racist ass is still wrong. Please continue being a careful lawyer and don't let your nasty racism dictate what is right or wrong =)
@BreezyUSA - I only literally laughed once since posting here, when @TanfromAustralia caught @Matemyaz with the latter's foot in his mouth. The purpose of this thread is no laughing matter for us foreigners. Even less so should it be for The Philippines. So we don't get the HAHAHAs from your people all the time. This does not mean we are uptight either. We are just addressing a very serious issue impacting our societies, giving credit where it is due, making factual statements where warranted.
I don't take any offence at your new nicknames for me. After 7 months posting on this board, we have gotten used to name-calling, false accusations and verbal abuses from pinays and pinoys. We are posting here for a serious and genuine purpose. Lots of people are getting addicted to this board it seems. FB Likes have been skyrocketing these past few weeks. Ultramagnus may consider publishing an e-book from the content of this thread some day, and that will be the day.
BTW your hanyue pinyin is very good too. A great animosity exists to this day between China and Taiwan because of Mao Tze-Dong and Chiang Kai-Shek's political feud. That was like a quarrel between siblings, of no relevance to the topic of this discussion so I shall not dwell on it even though Chinese history is one of my favourite subjects.
Seriously, what do you think should be done to fix your country?
What a Liar arrogant bitch you are and never fails to amuse me how you and that effing racist dumbass Vietnamese can twist the words of the people.
You said you have been mocked but have you not mocked anyone here? Review all your posts i suggest.
And to say those Filipinos mocked Tally. Have you checked how could that dumbass lawyer said how inarticulate and illitirate the other person is?
You are asking how they can fix their country and yet all of you don't know how to fix yourselves.
Again and again, nobody's defending the whores, Flip bitches and whatever you have named them but generalizing.. Not acceptable.
And by the way arrogant bitch, who said that karate originated from China? Damn you have the most twisted mind here.. And not puuting foot in my mouth but putting words in my mouth.
Asians, there are good and there are bad. I consider you and that pretentious Lawyer the worst Asians. You think you are betterr than anybody, hispanics, caucasians and other asians, bet you hate black people too. But the thread is not about them right?
@Matemyaz are you high? Go and read your own post again re karate. If you are not a whore or victim of a whore, we have neither time nor interest to waste on you. Stop wasting pixels of this board with your pointless whatever.
@Matemyaz:
I still don't know what point you are trying to make. Stop wasting space in this thread.
@Hoahoa:
So...I'm a "pinay whore" now? Funny how these 2 words go so well when strung together. One word is directly associated with the other.
'Italian whore' doesn't seem to have the same catch or relevancy, does it?
I've heard a lecture based on a book, World On Fire, that as of 2008, China controls about 60% of the Philippine economy including all of the largest conglomerates in the country -- banks, airlines, etc. It's a bit of an interesting lecture, though I've never read the book.
In any case, do you believe that the government and the economy work hand-in-hand? Do you believe, at least, that there is potential for the economy and government to work hand-in-hand? And if so, I'd like to hear what YOU could do, as a Chinese person, to take a bit of [equal] responsibility for the Philippine economy. The duty is not completely upon a Filipino individual, but I believe that a lot of the progress and development of a nation can be reflected by both government and economy. Doesn't that mean the Chinese, who I'm sure deservedly make their money, are also indirectly responsible for making much of the Philippines what it is today? Whores included. I'm not passing the blame onto the Chinese. Dirty sluts made the decision to be both dirty and sluts. But when I'm asked "what can [I] do about the Philippine society," I feel like it's fair to share the sentiment with a person or group of people more tied with the financial power of the country. I have no shame admitting that Filipinos LOVE Chinoys and it's very well recorded that the Chinese represent the elite 1% of the nation, but as that 1% controls 60% of the economy, who are all of the parties responsible for policy, the way people live, and the way people make decisions? To be real, ObjectivelyCommy, it is everyone's fault. I know you don't care about the economy; you care about the rampaging sluts that're destroying your life! But you see, they all tie together. What can WE do?
As a Filipina, it's hard to say what there's to do about prostitution. Like I said, once a hoe, always a hoe -- condemned by themselves to the belief that all they're good for is a nice little fuck. My family runs a school in Pangasinan, one of the Philippines' provinces, to stimulate local economy, supply jobs, and to provide education for elementary kids (haha I know what you're thinking: it's NOT a whore-in-training house, asshole.) My parents even CREATE scholarship for five students to go to college every year! I'm not looking for praise or to set off some kind of pissing contest, but I feel like I'm doing my part by going to the Philippines every other year and monitoring what kind of graduates our family's school produces. Of course there're your requisite "bad students," but I am very proud to see the majority of our students to graduate competitively, moving forward for higher education.
So fuck you, you nay-saying, communist-loving, self-loathing dick. You're not above any other person, even a common whore. You are a part of the problem but perhaps, when you're less brainwashed to believe you're better than others, you can try to be a part of the solution.
Big ups to Matemyaz for calling you out about mocking people. It seems you do it so frequently that you forget. It's like you got ass raped and can't tell you've farted because your asshole is so loose. ;)
Those dumbass Doesn't get my point for they refused to see My point.
It's so stupid to explain the karate kid thing. But i will waste time just for you to understand the punchline.
You stated that a lot of foreigners go to China to study right? And i asked how many, 1? and i said oh yeah i've seen karate kid. Holy shit can't believe i have to explain that one.
Oh anyway that was just part of our pissing contest and out of the point.
Some Asians tend to degrade other asians because they want to feel better about themselves, maybe you 2 experienced discrimination, well deserved guys!
VIETNAMESE WHORE sounds better. I BET ALL THE WAR VETERANS AGREES with Me.
BreezyUSA, i speak English every well i choose to write like that, for good reason.
like i say before, i don't give a rat ass who think what,am going to stand up for what is right and just and i will fight to the end to make sure them no face dishonest hoes bastard stay out.
AM NOT HERE TO PRETTY UP THINGS, I GIVE IT RAW AND DONT CARE, AM NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS EITHER AND HERE TO SEND A MESSAGE, REAL ENGLISH OR BROKEN I DON'T GIVE ASS, I KNOW WHO I AM.
Tally, you're very brave for wanting to write like that. Excellent job, knowing who you are and everything! Best regards to the Bahamas, the most powerful and righteous nation!
With all of my love, prayers, and sympathy,
BreezyUSA
BreezyUSA YOUR JOB IS TO HELP BETTER YOUR COUNTRY AND KEEP THAT THEM HOES, NO FACE STAY OUT MY COUNTRY WITH THEIR NASTY DOWNGRADING WAYS,WE DON'T TAKE OUR PROBLEMS TO YOUR COUNTRY , WE WORK ON OUR SHITS SO TELL YOUR PEOPLE GET OUT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME.NO BAHAMIAN RUN TO OTHER COUNTRIES UNLESS THEY GOING ON VACATION OR THE COMPANY THEY WORK FOR HAVE TRANSFER THEM TO OTHER COUNTRIES, WE STAY HOME AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY
ObjectivelyBitchy, you are no greater than a common whore. Women like you only know how to complain only to be pacified by a big, powerful cock and then hopefully to be wed. Many Chinese women are hollow and callous. I can't expect someone of your inborn capacity to understand a concept like "moving forward," or helping a community without any self-praise or glorification. I understand that your limitations and view of the world encourage selfishness and it's clear that your position as a Chinese woman has handicapped you. It's great that you've taken such a leadership role in this message board to feel like you're doing the world a favor! After all, believing is the first step to accomplishment.
Why don't you throw your dirty, gigantic panties back on and be thankful you're allowed to be alive per your government -- and then shut your face. The world can only have so many blessings at a time, pixel-waster.
Dude, I don't have some magical Filipino-only intercom to reach out to every individual Filipino EVER, especially in the Bahamas! Gross! Go perform your hate crime to expel them from your sanctuary country. I'm sure your ass would be banished to the Bermuda Triangle for being a major cunt bag.
I'm very sure that Bahamian people don't go to other countries because they can't be understood. Better to inbreed, I suppose.
@Matemyaz – Is the air underground getting so stale you need to stick it up here for a whiff? While you are at it, how about greasing the seat pad of your Harley with your grubby supremacist ass and check to see if your swastika and Hitler monogram tattoos need some new ink?
Tally if your country is infested with Filipinos, you should relocate to Vietnam. You will enjoy eating grilled rats and minced stir fried rats. now I know why Tan chose to stay in Australia. He is a delicacy in his home country.
@BreezeUSA - In the Philippines, the Chinese Filipino is 1% of the population but own 60% of businesses, with the result being envy and bitterness on the part of the majority against the Chinese minority—in other words, an ethnic conflict. Similarly, in Indonesia the Chinese Indonesians are 3% of the population but control 70% of businesses. Similarly, other examples of market-dominant minorities include whites in Latin America; Jews in Russia; Croats in the former Yugoslavia; etc.
People are rich because the harder and smarter they work, the luckier they get. It's that simple.
I suppose Filipinos love Chinoys for the same reason they love foreign men – for their money. Similarly, their deep seated jealously and bitterness about others being the 'haves' and they being the 'have nots' means in their head, they genuinely feel justified in scraping from everybody to “level out” the income imbalance...just to borrow from @Sneaky further up this board.
I never asked "what can [I] do about the Philippine society," you use quotes in error. I asked “what do you think should be done to fix your country?” In your haste to shift blame, proving the point many Caucasian male posters have made here about the Filipino mentality, you misquoted me. Whether it was intentional or not, I care not to take further time exploring.
Fortunately, not every educated Filipino is quick to blab blame to the Chinese like you, or use the beautiful English language in such a crude and offensive fashion. Ewe. It is educated filipinas like you who add to your country’s already bad rep built by uneducated filipina whores. I am afraid to imagine the kind of students you turn out at your family's school.
Let me share a piece by a truly educated filipino on why Filipinos are drowning in poverty:
“I understand your frustration - because I too, as a Filipino - feel bad whenever we are portrayed in a bad light.
Unfortunately, the impression that Filipina=Prostitute is actually extremely pervasive, and is in direct competition with the already well-known impression that Filipina=Maid.
Long ago, if you say “Filipina”, the HK’er/Singaporean/Westerner/etc would think “maid.” Today, there is a MIX of responses, 58% of the responses say “Maid”, 41% say “Prostitute”, 1% say “nurse.”
Truth be told, we are in competition with the Thais in Singapore, since traditionally, Thai women are labelled as prostitutes. But worldwide, there are more Filipinas than there are Thais. Thai sex-workers only revolve around Thailand and Singapore, while Filipina prostis are ALL AROUND THE WORLD!
The truth hurts, but I think that it’s only if we all acknowledge the reality that we will all decide to work to change things.
The only way to end this is for the country to move forward economically and become “rich.” But we won’t get rich unless Filipinos UNITE and stop fighting each other and quit blaming the government and other convenient scapegoats for what are essentially the faults of the Filipino People.
Only when we learn to accept the reality will we be able to start thinking up of the correct solutions, and only then will we have the chance to truly address what it is that continues to keep our country poor.
Our cultural traits are at fault. We are relatively lazy and don’t save or invest in the future. Those women became prostitutes because their parents had children they couldn’t afford to have and didn’t save money to invest in their childrens’ education. As a result by the time those women achieved adulthood, they had no real skills to sell, and the only thing they could sell in exchange for cash are their bodies.
There are far more traits at fault. Everyone: all Filipinos are at fault. We are not a very entrepreneurial country (esp. in comparison with the Chinese) as we are not very self-disciplined and we don’t save… As a result, very few successful big businesses are created that can absorb the entrants into the working-age group, therefore unemployment is high.
Our people, especially the poor, have too many children. My neighbor works with the NSO and she says that in her job, she sees so many entries of family households with 7, 8, 9, or even MORE KIDS!
Too many kids without any attention given to their well-being always translates into underdeveloped adults WITHOUT the right skills especially if their irresponsible parents never event let them finish basic schooling.
Again, that translates into the inability to sell any skills (because they have none!) and are thus forced to sell their bodies.
I could write volumes of books about the faults of Filipino culture and the reasons why the Philippines is a dysfunctional society whose poverty and chronic unemployment forces people to become prostitutes.
Those authors used a well-known fact: that many prostitutes out there around the world are from the Philippines as a background for some of their characters, and they did so only because IT IS TRUE. [The books referenced here are Eleven Minutes by Paolo Cohello and Dance dance dance by Haruki Murakami]
As much as we want to disagree with those authors, WE SHOULD NOT.
We should accept the facts and acknowledge them, and only when all Filipinos with brainpower stop denying the existence of this problem will we all decide to UNITE.
We will not unite unless we realize that the problem is really bad.
Filipinos are not a very pro-active people who will see a problem 10 years into the future… Hell, as it is, even if we are in a problem/crisis, we Filipinos like to DENY that we are in a problem, and that stops us from solving it because how can we solve a problem if we don’t even know we are in a problem, right?
A drug addict can’t get rid of his/her addiction unless he/she admits that he/she is an addict…
First step is acceptance and acknowledgement of the problem, second step is analysis of the problem’s causes and their inter-linkages, third step is solution formulation (based on the analysis), and the fourth step is solution execution.
If all those steps are done, we will see our country improve and we will see prostitution thoroughly minimized once the Philippines gets rid of its problems (cultural traits problems), improves its economy/education for people, and its people will no longer need to sell their bodies in order to make ends meet.
But we need to start at STEP 1 before doing anything.
Please visit: www.getrealphilippines.com
Posted by Truth Bearer at May 3, 2009, 11:53 am”
If you really care for what you are blabbering on this board @BreezeUSA, here’s another one on the real issue about filipinas all over the world, not how rich and successful the Chinoys are in The Philippines:
“They (filipinas) are experiencing the repercussions of our contradictory value system - suffering sexual harassment of various forms, while some have been jailed due to unwanted pregnancies and illicit relationships (sex without marriage). Clearly, something’s wrong here and we need to wake up and do something. Filipinas in the Middle East are already on ‘stage three.’ ”
I am also disappointed that someone as educated as you should confuse a Chinese with a “kkk dick”, then give the real kkk d!ck “Big ups”. Lastly, you’d need a d!ck to fcuk me. So you managed to realize I am a woman not a man finally reading this board right. I am not a lesbian even if you are. Second Ewe.
Again, let’s not get distracted by your attempted deflection. Let me close quoting @Sneaky:
“And before any Flip Flops start fuckign moaning - this board is a thread about why to be wary of PH girls...It seems there are not boards like this for other nationalities, so I guess must be something in it.”
My apologies, typo correction: just to borrow from @Hard-Love further up this board.
You only call the author "truly educated" because you say so, and because they agree with your argument. There're many other truly educated people on this board that'll probably agree when I say Fuck You in the meanest, most deserving of ways. Not all Chinese people. Just you.
Even if I was a lesbian -- the last lesbian on earth -- I probably wouldn't actually fuck you. Or maybe I would for breakfast, who knows? In any case, who are you to look down upon lesbians too? You seem to look down on a large population! Filipinos, lesbians, elementary students... who else are you above?
I'm overwhelmed by your extensive post and I am very impressed by your links and research on finding the most appropriate ways to hate people. ACTUALLY I'm very impressed that you're familiar with World On Fire! It seems like good information. I hope your chink mentality doesn't corrupt that kind of power, stupid hoe.
Be back in a few weeks!! Keep the argument going
@BreezyUSA:
You are so full of shit and intent and deflecting the real issue that even when objectivelyspeaking presents well researched facts to back up her arguments, you casually dismiss them because they don't accord with your sensibilities. Facts are facts.
To date, the only truly intelligent posts I have seen from Filipino posters are the ones who can admit the problem and have the insight to want to improve things in their country. These people are proof that generalisations are not applicable to all Filipino people.
On the other hand, I have been very wary of the Filipino posters here whom have been jumping up and down screaming "racist" and "you shouldn't generalise" at me and objectivelyspeaking when they in fact have added nothing intelligent to this debate. This sort of deflection reveals an ulterior motive and the games they have played have confirmed that the negative stereotypes pertaining to your people are true.
@hoahoa:
The terms "pinay whore" go so well together, especially in the context of visa applications, Western Union transfers, emigration and internet "dating".
What is the difference between a "pinay whore", a pinay "maid" or "nanny"? None whatsoever. Their roles all blend and revert back to the originating concept of "whore".
The underpinning motivation of a filipina in applying for a job as a "nanny" to a wealthy country like Dubai is so she can f*** her way into a better life.
As I said before...a whore is a whore is a whore...is a filipina "nanny".
There you go again - since when did I "look down upon lesbians" in my last post, other than expressing repulsion by the notion of being anywhere near someone who spews such crude and hateful language like you. There is only so far you can go blabbing unsubstantiated falsehood and thinly-veiled contempt against another person @BreezeUSA.
Any logical and objective observer of this board can see what's been going on in our dialogue initiated by you so far. Save yourself a few keystrokes until you can come up with a constructive and meaningful discussion with us here. Don't make yourself and the Philippines look any worse than you already have.
@Hoahoa it is not invested as yet, this the reason am working hard before it get to that level , my family work hard to build my country and i dam the bitches and hoes, who think they going to destroy it.THEY NEED TO STAY OUT, WE HAVE CHINESE WOMEN, AMERICAN WOMEN , JAMAICAN WOMEN AND THE LIST GOES ON THEM HOES AND BITCHES FROM PH IS THE ONLY ONES THEM LOOKING TO DESTROY PEOPLE COUNTRY.
THE FIRST THING THEY SAY WHEN PEOPLE STAND FOR HONESTY AND TRUTH, IS ABOUT HATE, NO ONE HATE THEM JUST THE DAM NASTY THINGS THEY TAKE WITH THEM EVERY WHERE THEY GO.
@objectivelyspeaking is correct in her appraisal.
I dont actually obect to those filipinas who have to work in the sex trade (and yes, many dont have a choice - work or dont eat)
Its actually very sad they have to.
But the problem is not that they have to work in that way, its how damaging it is on a more broad basis to the nations mindset.
The bitterness, the jealousy, the way westerners are ONLY viewed for there money.
Its a national belief.
So they dont even recognise when they actually do have a guy who genunely likes them!
Even the ones not in the sex industry dont - their first thought is...what can i get from this guy/how can i benefit. Where as it should be.....maybe I can actually have a good relationship with this guy.
If I was a fat, old, desperado chasing a 20 year old, aybe I culd understand (and agree)
But as a reaosanbly good looking younger guy who had no negatve conotations of filipinas, met a girl in a bar in Singapore (a regular bar), I really was shocked at her lieing and bad attitude.
I had not expereiced it before.
Its a shame there isnt more filipinas like @objectively who are prepared to say the problem is internal, so address it internally rather than do the usual blame others first, thereby adding to the viscious circle of hatred of foreigners, bitterners etc etc
I think when people on here get emptive and say 'pinay whores' they do not mean whores in the literal sense, its in the mindset sense.
Thats what needs to be addressed.
@Sneaky - I am Euro-Chinese woman, not a filipina. The piece I shared was posted by a filipino on another board.
Research will only yield results if there is available data. And there is plenty on PH from many angles. Buried under the tons of gunk about pinay whoring are some brilliant gems posted by filipinos themselves. I think the current situation is caused primarily by previous generations of poor parenting. This is why we should hold out hope in the next generation with sharing of constructive information. They may not have the fair-paying jobs available to them at this point, but those with the right education will have the brain power to reason, process and communicate with honesty. Not the loads of crap we just saw here. I don't think I have been verbally abused more disgracefully (on the abuser) within the space of less than a day, in my entire life. This is the type of filipinas we are dealing with today, education and all. What a shame.
I dont think bad parenting is to blame, thats often used as a reason for social faults.
In PH, its just the whole of society, culture and probably too much exposure to the Wesr from a young age.
As my PH gf put it after a year with me, she really saw where her culture and country is not as advanced in all ways, not just financially as she always used to assume.
They can learn, of course, but its gonna take a lot of effort and many years.
If you want to do it on an individual basis (i.e. in a relationship), the guys here need to understand you gotta be really firm, to the point of what a westerner would call controlling.
Tough love until they 'get it' or in all honesty, just dont bother or you will end up used.
That said, if your a 50 yr old guy dating a girl in her 20's, your using her just as much as she is you, so no sympathy im afraid.
When telling a US govt. official about my ex's situation (PH chic taking all his retirement money in 7 months using it to build a PH mansion---yet she is waiting for annulment and then fiance visa so she can come to US), I was advised to call immigration dept. and tell them what I know. Guess that is one way to weed the dysfunctional Ph chics out of our countries---one at a time.
@Nancy - but this is what I mean......why did he give her all his retirement money?
Just say no - if she accepts it, she loved him
If she left, she doesnt and hes better off without her.
Seriously, you gotta be a man with these chicks or they walk over you.
Man up - if they leave, move on. Simple.
Nancy:
Your ex is a fool. You are better off without him.
@Nancy PLEASE DO IT, THEY WILL NOT ALLOW HER IN.
OK PH PEOPLE WHO LIVING IN THE BAHAMAS, START PACKING A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN AS FROM THIS MORNING , YES , I TOLD THEM HOE I WAS DOING TO DO IT.
TO TALLY
I am not questioning your agenda here but I want to know more about your country. You said it's a paradise and it's the Filipinos who are doing nasty things and ruining lives in the Bahamas.
I found a site about the Bahamas. Pardon me with my ignorance but I will be delightful if you could enlighten me and educate me somehow.
---------- taken from that site--------------
When I first arrived in The Bahamas, many moons ago, I had to take a taxi to the hotel where I was going to initially stay.
I climbed into a cab being driven by an older gentleman. The cab was clean and the man well groomed. His taxi license was properly displayed and he turned on the meter when we started moving (something I have since learned is almost never done).
All in all, I would say the man appeared to be an honest, credible, mellow fellow.
That is why it shocked me when, after a few minutes of conversation and my admission that it was my first time visiting The Bahamas, the taxi driver stopped, turned to me and said, “Never trust anybody in The Bahamas. They are all crooks.”
I laughed, a bit uncomfortably, then asked him, if that were true, how could I trust what he was saying.
He smiled and said, “You will see”.
My God, I have.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. In my many years living in The Bahamas, I have met some really great people, but they have been few and far between. One thing I have learned is that, for the most part the driver was right, Bahamians are an untrustworthy bunch.
In fact, I know of nowhere on earth that has such a high concentration of “problem” people.
Now, I know that will offend many Bahamians. Too damn bad because it’s true.
If it were not true, The Bahamas would not have one of the highest murder rates in the world. The tiny nation also records some of the highest rates anywhere for incest, armed robbery, rape, violence against women, marital infidelity and assault. The Bahamas also has a pretty bad reputation for copyright violations and financial crimes.
All this in a “Christian” country with less than 200,000 adults. Where do they find the time?
Now, I’m sure the Ministry of Tourism will refute my comments, or pay Kimberley and the hackers to attack my site, like they did to BahamasB2B.com. But they’d be better off putting their money into some programs that would promote real change in the attitudes of all those nasty Bahamians.
Remember, I am just the messenger. I’m merely telling it like it is. And tru-tru Bahamians know that I am right. The people of the Bahamas have written their own story… and it doesn’t have a happy ending.
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@Hoahoa:
Why don't you just shut the f*** up? Nobody gives a shit what you think. You're only here to stir the pot.
Stop this desperate deflection by blaming other countries and their problems. What the f*** does the happenings in the Bahamas or Vietnam have to do with the shithole state that the Philippines is in?
Do us a favor and just shut the f*** up, stupid b!tch.
wtf???
I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years and a good-looking body builder! You are not above me! I don't need to suck a cock because I have to lick a pussy to be here in Australia so you shut the f*** up.
Just so you can understand.. She/He accuses all the Filipinos whores and nasty and yet I couldn't find any other site to justify what Tally is saying here. Instead I found that site.
And F*** you! who's blaming Vietnam and the Bahamas?
F*** you f***ing Vietnamese, marrying an Australian doesn't change the fact that you are still a gook with a refugee & whore blood.
i love my country, i will stand at all cost so hoahoa you can kiss my ass.
Hoahoa:
So you admit that you had to lick pussy to be here in Australia.
Why the f*** are you constantly bringing up Vietnam when it has nothing to do with the subject matter of this topic? What is the relevance?!
tally's reference to the Bahamas is made in the context of her not wanting you Filipinos to f*** up her country like you did with yours. tally sees you people like a virus, you spread and contaminate. And no, tally is not a "racist". She doesn't dislike you for who you are, but for what you do.
If you think I'm a "gook", then what does that make you? A whore gook? We both are of Asian descent remember? Your stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds, so do us all a favor and shut the f*** up. I am getting tired of reading the same pointless dribble from you.
uhmm No thanks.... i will pass on that one.. thinking of it makes me wanna barf
As I said I'm not questioning your agenda. I respect you for loving your country despite of the bad reputation of your people and country. I know you are doing your part to make your country better, besides there are good and bad Bahamians and IT IS VERY UNFAIR if I will say THAT ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME.. RIGHT?? I guess you should respect the good ones who were obviously defending their country and the good people (NOT THE BAD PEOPLE OK).
Well it seems I may have been overly optimistic about the future of PH, based on @Sneaky's last comment. As I said, I have never been a direct victim. While being aware of the severity of the PH problem, I do tend to hold out hope for all humanity...and then be called a "stupid hoe" for it.
HK and Singapore are both long-time British colonies. Most of the people there practically grew up in the Western culture. Yet the PH debacle remains unique to PH. HK or Singapore women have no similar stories about them now or in history.
PH's problems are Made In The Philippines by the culture and choices of their own people. We are talking about their problems only because they like to make their problems everybody else's, then chorus about how we are just as bad if not worse, or have ourselves to blame for being stupid enough to get duped by them. Then come on this board calling us names with grand and derogatory references to our ethnicity while the whole time accusing us of racism.
I have also been overly optimistic about the cranial capacity of certain PH posters who repeatedly try to dredge other countries like Vietnam or the Bahamas into this discussion and try to call it a comparison. If I ever disclosed my own country of origin, it will be served up as first course and dessert, double-fried until over-done on all sides. I just wanted the world to see for themselves first-hand the depth and degree of ugly vehemence these people can manifest at another race with the most obscene of verbal abuse like that hurled against me the last 48 hours. Thanks for the show. Wouldn't all that energy have been put to better use figuring out how to improve the circumstances of their lot? Yet there was not a single comment on how to fix PH. Yeah proud to be a filipina, yet leave their country to ferment into a stink pile more toxic than Chernobyl's wasteland while spewing spite and malice at others. Then everybody else is a racist except themselves.
How many times more does @tally have to repeat this: MY COUNTRY HAS OUR OWN PROBLEMS, WE DON'T BRING OUR PROBLEMS TO YOUR COUNTRY, DON'T BRING YOUR SHIT TO MY COUNTRY - not an actual quote but she has repeated this so many times, all the rest of us got her drift, just not the filipinas who are conceited enough to mock her command of language and repetition of the same message, YET REMAIN THICK ENOUGH IN THE HEAD to still not get it. Or, are they just pretending since they are known for their duplicity and bare-faced lying skills??
If it helps, here's what we are saying: All the other countries dredged into this discussion are not threats to us foreigners because there is no wide scale diaspora of their people bringing with them any bad elements into our societies LIKE THE SCAMMING FILIPINAS ARE. Get it now??
@Nancy is doing absolutely all the right things in speaking with her lawyer and US Immigration. I urge all victims and concerned citizens who know of a neighbour, family member or friend in similar circumstances/danger to alert their immigration authorities. Report the names of these scamming filipinas so the country can shut the doors on them before they get in.
And you expect that nobody will ever call you names here and mock you you stinky Euro-Asian? You should be the one to kiss Tally's ass.
Tan did I mention to you already that I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years? So again shut the f*** up.
Oh I forgot I am a Vietnamese gook too, I forgot since I am married to an AUstralian and I'm living in AUstralia already for years.
Euro-Asian know-it-all, Have you been in the Philippines? Have you met filipinos from different walks of life and got to know them very well? from each and every place? I say in my 31 years of existence, met Filipinos in the Philippines, Korea, UAE, Canada and US. there are bad and good ones. And if you can't stop generalizing and stating your opinions as facts. I don't give a f*** on your name calling and mocking as well. MY POSTS ARE STUPID SO AS YOURS.
@TanfromAustralia
You say you are an immigration lawyer. How about Filipinas with a college degree? Have they been known to use foreign white men for green cards in your experience? I certainly don't condone the use of unsuspecting foreigners for green cards.
If you've read my earlier post, I suggest that men who like Filipinas go for the ones who independently received their green cards through work or study.
@hoehoe - I already stated as fact that it is because I have never been to PH, have no plans to go ever like many legit tourists have already decided, never been a direct scam victim of a bad egg filipina, that I am holding out hope and being optimistic about PH. Those less fortunate are less optimistic than me about you people. Posts like yours serve to lessen our optimism even further.
Hoahoa you still don't get it we have our own problem so don't bring yours ass what it this you don't understand and do i care what he tell you, he see you as a hoe so he was looking to get what you selling
Ooops sorry typo correction: @hoahoa
I only expect name calling by PH people, as evident all over this board. And only non-whites get called names by your people. Not white men who are prospectived husbands/bfs/scam victims.
Good enough for you?
LOL. F*** YOU STINKY CHINKY. KISS TALLY'S ASS AND WE'RE GOOD
TALLY I WAS AN IMMIGRATION FOR 6 YEARS AND I HAVE A GOOD LOOKING ASS, WHY NOT JUST KISS MINE?
hoahoa you so stupid, go find a job and stop doing shit
Hoahoa just finds the truth about herself too hard to accept.
"STINKY CHINK"? And who is calling who racist??
And you didn't even get the joke on the @hoehoe "typo". Lights on please, it's dim in some places.
i never see a nation like them ph people what happen did they cultivate them for that purpose, they heartless, it all about the money, new sheriff in town all the hoes pimps am hunting you all down and take you all in to detention center so who don't want to go there better leave am sending also immigration to every last of them house marry or not go because am sure them papers you didn't get them for love, most of them don't ever live with the men so run or get lock up and charge before the court
i did my home work time for action so call me all the names it dont matter you people leaving and not next month now.
who needs to marry one if you can screw hundreds for an apple and an egg!?
i disagree on that.. not all pilipina are oppurtunies....
Didn't i just laughed out loud at your joke? Pathetic.. Oh hell yeah i am a racist against the evil arrogant race composed of 1 chink,1 gook and 1 nigga.
Tan is the one who is not getting the joke because he was an immigration lawyer and gooklooking body builder.
Tally atleast not stupid as you. and my ass is way smoother than yours but i can say your people are still no. 1 to have crooked minds.
@Hoahoa:
What is the 'joke'? I am a lawyer, goodlooking AND a bodybuilder. I am all of those things.
You're just a whore. The joke is on you.
And who said it is a better bet for men to go for the "educated" filipinas? Just take a look at the reviling verbiage they spit and spew. Something to look forward to when the liaison goes south. What a scary thought.
Scary indeed...
The so-called 'educated' filipinas is a masquerade.
The truly decent filipinas only get involved with foreign men on their own terms and for genuine reasons.
Exactly. They are certainly not here making mindless posts to the embarrassment of PH and the good and decent people of PH. Will these fools ever know when to stop?
The whole 'traditional' 'not-interested-in-money' filipina image is also false. You can't possibly imagine how common it is for INTELLIGENT men to fall for that trick.
@TanfromAustralia
I said earlier on I'm the product of a marriage between a Filipina and an American. Mom already had her United States citizenship when she met Dad (I wasn't sure yet but verified that). She was working and had come to the US on a student visa. She has an advanced degree. Now, that's not a Filipina who was out to use a man for a green card. They had a wonderful marriage until his death.
Have you seen foreign men scammed by Filipinas who actually DO have a college degree and profession?
Assumptions, assumptions.... Who's the fool?
I'm the whore? And that's the joke. And you are an immigration lawyer for 6 years and gooklooking body builder not hard to miss on that it's like almost begging to believe that you are. Lol
Look at your post chink, you are describing Tan. Uhmm,.. I wonder chink, your mom likes white? Or is it your dad?
The whole not interested in money thing is false to all people. Very very stupid gook.
Human behaviour and not one race's behaviour.
Don't confuse yourself..
And who says one has to be intelligent to be write in this thread? Otherwise, you are blocked here already.
So long gook, chink and nigga. You can own this thread for all i care.
By the way, I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years and gooklooking body builder. Fml
Hoahoa:
But you are acting exactly like the stereotypical filipina that we are all talking about, blaming other people, mocking other people, deflecting the truth.
Really? Did i blame who again? And deflecting what truth? That all Filipinos are the same? Really? And you can mock people and i can't?
The manner in which @Hoahoa and @BreezeUSA, et al, responds to comments by @TanFromAustralia, @objectivelyspeaking, @Tally, @Nancy about the deceptive, greedy, opportunist Filipina characteristics in relationships with unsuspecting and clueless Westerners only serves to illustrate the crab mentality so ingrained into the Filipino mentality that plagues their culture and reputation. Put another way, they "delight in clipping wings because they themselves can't fly."
Well, these white men were looking for a partner in the wrong places. Stupid enough not to detect if the woman is sincere or not. If you are 60 year old and you are meeting with a 19 year old Filipina, what could you expect? Well you have 1% chance that the girl is Nabokov's Lolita from whom you can expect this girl doesnt see the american flag waving in your eyes.
You will see these girls later in facebook, so proud of taking pictures in the husband's country with filipina friends but you can never see a picture of their husbands.
But why do you marry these girls then later on complained of how opportunistic they are? Where did you meet these girls? In the internet? In the KTV bars? What could you expect? Any american or any european will do, as long that they can escape Philippines.
Why don't you find lawyers,doctors or a filipina with a good profession? The problem you don't want a girl with good education because you want to be like a god at home. You want to be in control of everything. Losers who don't want to find a girl of your own level or someone who is almost of your level. For sure your education is better than these Filipinas who pronounce "f"-"p", and whose English is relatively poor. But why did you allow these Filipinas fool you? If you are 6'3 and obese and 60 yrs old, why do you date 19 yrs old girl barely 5 feet tall.
It's very ridiculous going to the beach seeing these combinations and hearing these Filipinas who talk like they are in the market or in the nightclubs, well if they are some sort of a courtney love, that would be acceptable, but theyre just plain stupid. stupid filipina girls with stupid caucasians!
@Halwick
Do you know what "crab mentality" is?
It basically means how people bring you down just to get themselves to the top.
Sorry to burst your bubble.. You can kiss Tally's ass too :)
@hoahoa - How about enlightening us with your supreme intelligence what subtle difference there is between "delight in clipping wings because they themselves can't fly." and "how people bring you down just to get themselves to the top".....before we switch on more lights (*~*)
I was asking if he really knows what it means as how he could say it's us when it's obvious that your posts are the ones bringing people down. SO do you get now?
ROFL for your joke by the way if you didn't get the LOL..pathetic
@Hoahoa:
You obviously don't understand the true meaning of 'crab mentality'.
Crab mentally is derived from the analogy of a bunch of crabs trapped in a bucket. If they all work in unison and each crawl out of the bucket one at a time, they could all make it out. Instead, they frantically and selfishly all try to crawl over each other to all get out at the same time, resulting in a jumbled mess which would ensure that none of them get out of the bucket.
Now...try to muster up some IQ frequencies in your feeble, retarded brain and try to grasp at an intellectual level as to why that particular analogy applies to the Filipino mentality and mindset.
You are obviously here posting to waste space and vent yourself because you find the truth too bitter to upset. You still can't figure out your head from your ass, so do us all a favor and have something intelligent to say, or just shut the f*** up because we are tired of reading your bullsh!t.
Go back to your other favorite hobby: solicitation of men through "dating" websites. That visa is bound to come through with whoring and perseverance.
I understood what you construed as a "joke", but why is it funny?
Everything I say about myself is true.
You still haven`t enlightened us with your supreme intelligence. Just explain the difference, if there is any, no matter how subtle. Don`t deviate.
I got work to do. That will give you more time to figure out your answer.
that would give you time too to analyze what I mean :)
lol for real? You sure can't analyze what I said. DO you really want me to fall with that crap?
Ok since I am retarded as per the gooklooking body builder..
"clipping wings because they themselves can't fly." same concept, you will down other people.. but as far as crab mentality is being explained, it's like saying
"if i can't have it, neither can you" while it's a totally different definition if you say how people bring you down just to get themselves to the top. It's like saying "I will post bad things and slander the whole nation, so me as a Chinese have a better chance to shine"
By the way I am retarded
Nice try @hoehoe. There is fundamentally no difference in the end result between the two. They are merely two different routes (or methods) to arrive at the same destination.
Since when have I ever slandered a whole nation on this board? Prove it.
In your own twisted perception that another person is here "to shine", your have more than demonstrated crab mentality by spewing yet another racist remark to my intent via reference to my ethnicity.
One does not need to be retarded to realize when to shut up when taunted. You are not doing any favours to yourself, your country, or whomever you purport to support here.
@Hoahoa:
I don't see how I am "clipping" other people's wings because I can't fly.
If that stupid analogy is suggestive that I am here on this board because I am trying to make myself feel better because of some deficiency in my life, then that couldn't be further from the truth as can be.
I am not trying to bring anyone down to get to the top. I am already exactly where I want to be with my life. I don't want or need anything more. Remember that I'm not the one who needs a visa and for somebody to financially support me.
You need to stop projecting yourself onto other people.
You're not really angry at me or objectivelyspeaking. You're really angry at yourself for being too pathetic and desperate to change the truth about yourself and your current situation.
And because you are stupid, I will elaborate why your accusation of me having a "crab mentality" is unfounded.
You and me are not in the same "bucket". I live in Australia permanently. You are here on a temporary "visa" and hoping to get a permanent one through "marriage".
We are not competing with each other because I am not in the "bucket" whilst you are and still trying to get out.
The "crab mentality" is a bad analogy for you to use.
The crab mentality is an apt analogy to describe the predicament that the Philippines is in. There is little or no indication of a collective effort to transition the country. There is no small individual sacrifice or concession made for the collective benefit. The problem stems from an ingrained cultural mindset of laziness, learnt helplessness and narcissism.
I will offer my own analogy, which is a variation and less sophisticated analogy than the shark tank analogy offered by objectivelyspeaking way above in this thread.
My analogy will involve eggs and a basket.
Edible eggs look exactly like rotten eggs when you observe the shell they are encased in. The shell of a rotten eggg appears normal until you crack it open to reveal the decay inside.
What if I got a large basket and placed 100 eggs inside that basket? Of those 100 eggs, 10 of them are healthy edible eggs whilst 90 of them are rotten. When I place all of these 100 eggs in the basket, I have mixed them all up so there is no way to tell which is which because the shells of the eggs all look and represent to be the same.
If I told you to pick 1 egg out of that basket as well as telling you that 10 of the eggs are edible whilst 90 of the eggs are rotten and you can't tell which is which, do you think that you would be taking on a good risk or a bad one? Would you still insist on eating eggs or would you instead choose to have yoghurt instead...?
The reality is that there are a small number of good filipinas, but that the majority of them are "rotten eggs" whom represent themselves to be otherwise. We all know that the majority of them are like this because of the high volumes of personal stories, international legal policies and other information on the internet about this subject matter.
Anybody who still insists on picking an egg from that basket to eat is asking for trouble.
I am a Filipina and a Green Card Holder. I was able to come here in the US on an employment visa. I patiently waited for this for 9 years. It was a dream come true. And i'm going back home to marry my Fiance and hopefully bring him here the soonest possible. I've lived and worked in a middle east country and i must say, there are a lot of women of different nationalities, from different countries who marry these foreigners for different reasons/agenda. Not just Filipinas you know..
The issue is prevalence. Prevalence of a magnitude that has garnered world attention.
@GCHolder:
Yeah, I know...
And good on you for obtaining the work visa honestly.
@Hoahoa, Of course I know what "crab mentality" means. I've followed this thread for a long time and observed people like you drag this thread down to the steet gutter snipe level. For someone who claims a college education you express yourself like an uneducated, immature, streetwise lowlife through the use of such words as "gook", "stinky chink", "nigga", f**k, etc.
@Halwick:
I don't think that she even knows what 'crab mentality' means. She just threw those words around because she thought it sounded like a clever comeback,
@all of you stupid a---s
How many girls wanted to marry Hugh Hefner? arent the "girlfriends" young americans? What do you call them, angels madly in love with Hugh's wisdom or wealth?
Well, not only Filipinas are involved in that disease and not only women.
But still, i don't like these Filipinas. one time, I went to the jewelry shop. We heard this loud Filipina with an old german guy with a BIG STOMACH. Ms Fili shrieked, "Honey!!!!is this or is this?" ...I wanted to say, IS THIS.
Foreign guys outthere looking for a filipina. I think the first thing you must observe is, DOES THE FILIPINA SPEAK GOOD ENGLISH? never mind the accent as the accent will really differ. Just check if the grammar is correct and her sentences make sense.
Here in the Philippines, if you dont speak and write good english, you will not end up in good jobs.
Ergo, Look for a FILIPINA with a GOOD JOB. Not a Filipina who works in the KTV bar or in some cheap night clubs. If you met her online, ask if what is her job. A lot of Filipinas who dont have jobs invest in internet cafes hoping to have a good catch. But of course only stupid foreigners will be caught. Why did you guys marry Filipinas with unstable jobs?Of course they would try their best to go out of this wonderful tropical country run by crocodiles and go to the "fields of gold".
Attack me by saying I have that crab mentality,whoahaha, what can I get by putting those stupid men and women down.
@halwick and what do you want me to use to mock someone just to slap in your face that I am educated? Like how Tan and objectively mock everybody? I'm not here to say I'm the brightest or the educated one, I'm just saying I was an immigration lawyer for 6 years, a gooklooking body-builder and with a permanent residency because I am married to an Australian. Beat that Sucka!
Tan and Objectivelyspeaking.. How can I be wrong? because you have your own definition?
Besides, Are you saying this thread hub for the educated and Intelligent. Visit other hubs and you will see the difference. legit members doesn't even bother to comment here.
Call me stupid, call me whore, uneducated, whatsoever,
Thank you for replying to my uneducated posts.
SAME LEVEL, MAKES TIME FOR EACH OTHER.
Hella@ we are not talking about other countries, every country have their issues and what are they doing? you people wouldn't even try work on you all problem what ph people do is scam lie and run from their issues and take it to other people to solve for them , well we cant and this why we sending you all back to deal with it.
Hella they all sound like a bunch of people who selling in the market.
@Hella:
The suggestion that men can judge a filipina's character by her English proficiency level is totally absurd.
You don't have crab mentality. You are just plain foolish.
Hoahoa:
Your attitude is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with your country. You act defensively when people state the truth, you twist the truth and throw back into their faces a lie.
If at the least some men read this thread and are able to see the true personality of filipinas such as yourself, then I think that the time I have spent here has been worth it.
Foreign men need to be able to look beneath the false glossy surface of women like you and see the nastiness and viciousness within.
Don't misconstrue a universal definition into our own definition @hoahoa. We are merely pointing out the truth that all filipinos must accept and confront as a nation without deviation and shifting blame. There are good and patriotic filipino men and women currently working against all odds to fix your country's problems. Have you even paid any attention to their work, let alone lend them a hand with your support?
We wouldn't be talking about you people if your bad egg filipinas haven't been scamming our men, robbing our families, fouling up our societies with their particular brand of PH low morality.
Of course we will retaliate verbal abuses from you "educated" filipinas. Why would you expect otherwise?
@hoahoa:
Proverbs says: "Even a fool appears wise when he keeps his mouth shut"----I think you should try it.
Stop shooting the messengers because you don't like the message. Trying to get off topic by attacking others doesn't change what the message of this thread is: many PH chics who get involved with foreign men have ulterior motives and lack good integrity. Often Who they pretend to be externally is NOT who they really are internally. It is like the example of the good eggs mixed with the rotten ones: You can't always tell the difference until you crack one open (great illustration @TanfromAustralia).
shocking comments :D
I am a Filipina,.... some of the comments i read makes me sad.... i think some filipina including me are impressed to those who have blonde hair but it doesn't mean that we wanna get married to them or whatsoever gold digging phenomena... we just want some friends with unique looks from our point of view....
Well yeah there are some that are really not a good choice to have a relationship with like,
1.)Noisy girls who is not well educated academically, physically, emotionally, mentally and the like.
2.)Bitches and prostitutes.
3.)Old desperate woman.
If you wanna have a Faithful, good looking, caring, loving, honest perfect wife... then ask yourself first... DO YOU HAVE AT LEAST 5% OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS THAT YOU ARE DREAMING? hmmff o.O
chos! haha :P
Ok this thread is about attacking Filipinos i forgot. Even the ones who were just sharing their experiences, thoughts different to what the owners are saying and if they didn't like what they have read they will just simply say "shut up", "that's bs!", etc..
Like i said own this thread for al i care..Remember From the the point of view of some foreigners this thread iacks integrity as some posts of the owners proved that it's not about warning from the whores and scamming filipinas but destroy and put all filipinos ithe bad light. @nancy you should review posts of Tan and objectivelyspeaking from the start so you know why some posters bash those two especially Tan( maybe because he is gooklooking)
@Hoahoa:
You find my stating the truth about your people intolerable to accept.
@hoahoa - You accused me of "slandering a whole nation" - I said to you "Prove it" - from the start of the thread. You still haven't and I am not the only one waiting.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I haven't seen you "slandering a whole nation" in this thread at all.
If anything, I have been accused of "slander".
As a lawyer, my professional opinion of "slander" is that it is only so if what you are saying is NOT true. If it is true, then it is not "slander".
Filipino people do not have a distortion with the truth. Rather, they have a very liberal, flexible concept of the truth, which they bend to suit them. It gives a whole new added dimension to the concept that "the truth is relative".
@TanfromAustralia - You are correct. My next question to @hoahoa was going to be the universal definition of "slander". What else can we expect from filipinas who called me "stinky chink" and "stupid hoe". After all, I belong with the race who is 1% of the PH population yet controls 60% of their enterprises, right?
@objectivelyspeaking:
The outrageous thing is that you have been called a "chink" whilst I have been called a "gook"...
...from the very people whom have accused US of "racism"!
The filipino mentality and mindset is totally warped and twisted. I think their own hyprocrisy is lost upon them. Lying and deceipt has become such an ingrained part of filipino culture that they don't see anything wrong with it.
@Hoahoa: When anyone responds to TanFromAustralia's and objectivelyspeaking's postings in a mature, courteous manner....and there were a few Filipinos who did...they respond in kind. But the majority of Filipinos, including yourself, resorts to racial name-calling, i.e., "chink", "gook", "nigga".
@TanFromAustralia: I agree with you, especially your last paragraph. The majority of filipinos I've met and interacted with in the U.S. tend to exhibit the very behavioral patterns you describe.
@TanfromAustralia and @Halwick - The post I shared by Truth Bearer of getrealphilippines.com was a brilliant piece by one of their own. Yet, it was twisted into a reference to spread hate. Those type of filipinas are capable of jamming a blind and obvious lie in people's faces knowing full well they will never be believed. Trash talking at its finest.
The filipinos who know what their problems are, are aware that PH people largely can't and wouldn't accept truth, fundamentally retarding their own progress. Their response to truth is either childish denial, dubious postings using multiple pseudonymns, or obscene and reviling language of the worst kind.
There is a lot to be said about the worst kind as it is evident from the first hyena attack on you @TanfromAustralia that filipinas as young as 15 are among the audience of this board. Yet so little regard was given to how this type of language would impact on young minds by someone who purports to be in the business of education. Utterly shocking. And then we hear about them wanting to marry into foreign societies and parenting children here.
We are just being vigilant and proactive about protecting the integrity of our societies, and this we must keep on doing.
@GCHolder do you get the point, we are not talking about other nationalities, the board was written about you people so please leave other people out your mouth and focus on building up your country, you people don't get it why?
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/chinese-wom
I just finished reading this hub. What makes me sad is, this is just another forum wherein a lot of of foreigners will say bad things to an Asian Country.
Are Asians really white people worshippers?
All i could say is stop going to Asian countries for holiday sex. If you don't have any repect to Asian women, you don't deserve any respect from us either.
I don't give a sh!t what goes on in China when considering the context and subject matter of this thread.
Given that China and Vietnam are not considered the sex capitals of Asia, I think that the Filipino people who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.
The constant references to China and Vietnam are intended to provoke objectivelyspeaking and myself.
If you want to talk about China and/or Vietnam, go to another hub and do it. This very hub doesn't exist as a venue to insult other countries, even though what we say about the Philippines is true.
"Are Asians really white people worshippers?" To my understanding as an Asian, NO.
According to the youtube video produced by an American on the reasons why he dislikes the Philippines, he included a clip of the proliferation of "whitening" personal care products on store shelves and commented that filipinos seem obsessed with bleaching themselves white. Add that to the evident obsession of many filipinas craving to produce Fil-Am children and those who have boasted here about their foreign husbands and boyfriends as if it is news-worthy advertising material, one can only surmise that filipinos are the only Asians who are white people worshippers.
The endless attempts to drag other Asian countries especially Vietnam and China into this discussion is already a joke. We have crossed that bridge a long time ago :-
1)THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT STREET PROSTITUTES.
2)VIETNAM AND CHINA OR EVEN THAILAND ARE NOT THREATS TO FIRST WORLD FOREIGN SOCIETIES BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR WOMEN DO NOT MAKE A DAILY OCCUPATION OF SCAMMING MEN ONLINE INTO MARRYING THEM LIKE FILIPINAS DO - WITH THEIR FAMILIES, HUSBANDS, BOYFRIENDS ALL IN COHORT.
3)OR ROB THE CHILDREN OF FOREIGN FAMILIES THEIR RIGHTFUL INHERITANCE SOMETIMES BEFORE THE "MARRIAGE" EVEN TAKES PLACE, IF EVER.
3)THEN WORM THEIR WAY INTO FOREIGN SOCIETIES TO CONTINUE SPREADING THEIR ROTTEN CULTURE.
Typo correction: 4)
PH PEOPLE HAVE NO SHAME PERIOD.
so are you tally! Kindly listen to yourself before you judge other people!
i disagree with this topic...not all filipina are greedy,sometimes american's taking advantage of filipina.i'm 2 months pregnant with my american bf,we plan to have this child after i get pregnant he keeps telling me his busy.his not even helping me even with check up.i'm working as a call center agent and working in graveyard shift. he doesn't care that i'm working nightshift is not adviseable for a pregnant women,he only cares that i'm working because he doesn't even like to support.i'm not even sure what will happen with me and my baby since he doesn't say anything about this child.i admit i'm stupid that i let him make me pregnant, but that is how a girl fall in love always following his love. i don't care if he will bring me to america or we live here as long as i see him that will make me happy but i don't see any chance that he will stay with me. i just hope that he will change. please don't think all filipina's are greedy because american's doesn't do nice things with filipina too. thanks!
i disagree with this topic...not all filipina are greedy,sometimes american's taking advantage of filipina.i'm 2 months pregnant with my american bf,we plan to have this child after i get pregnant he keeps telling me his busy.his not even helping me even with check up.i'm working as a call center agent and working in graveyard shift. he doesn't care that i'm working nightshift is not adviseable for a pregnant women,he only cares that i'm working because he doesn't even like to support.i'm not even sure what will happen with me and my baby since he doesn't say anything about this child.i admit i'm stupid that i let him make me pregnant, but that is how a girl fall in love always following his love. i don't care if he will bring me to america or we live here as long as i see him that will make me happy but i don't see any chance that he will stay with me. i just hope that he will change. please don't think all filipina's are greedy because american's doesn't do nice things with filipina too. thanks!
It takes 2 to make a baby. Maybe he is mad thinking you tried to trap him into marriage by getting pregnant. You are just as much responsible as he is---stop crying for sympathy and take your part of the responsibility. I am most sorry for this baby who had no part in this mess. Please take care of it and give it life.
That proves that some westerners are really gullible and can be easily brainwashed by manipulative People. Look at the transformation of Nancy.
You may be married to a Filipina If...
* Your refrigerator is always full but you cannot find any food that you recognize
* Instead of a dowry, you got the whole bill for the wedding and honeymoon
* Most of the decorations in your house are made of wicker
* You are expected to be able to read her mind just by watching her eyebrows move up and down and by the way her lips are pointed
* All her relatives think your name is "Joe"
* The instant you are married you have 3,000 new close relatives that you can't tell apart
* Your house isn't really on fire; you've just got a very charred fish on top of the stove burner
* All the desserts are sticky and all the snacks are salty
* She eats her fruit with giant salt crystals and her fried chicken with ketchup
* Even the ketchup tastes weird...very weird
* You throw a party and everyone is fighting to chop the leathery skin off a dead pig
* All your kids have 4-5 middle names
* Your in-laws take 10 years to acknowledge your existence and to call you by something other than "that white guy"
* You try to call her up on the phone and someone tells you "for a while" and you want to know "for a while, what??"
* You are trying to go to sleep and she keeps asking for the comFORT'r, and you ain't got a clue what she's talking about
* Your first Christmas present is some funny looking, baggy, see-thru shirt made out of leftover lace doilies
* Your phone bills are composed mostly of international and calls that average 3 hours each
* She sweeps with something that witches usually fly around on
* Her idea of classy, expensive champagne is Asti Spumante
* The rice cooker is on 24 hours a day and uses up 50% of your electricity and food budget
* On your first trip to the Philippines, you have 18 giant boxes that weigh 1000 pounds each and your "carry on" luggage requires a small forklift truck
* The same luggage is over filled with things that cost an average of 15 cents each like old magazines and M&Ms -- the worst part is when you get off the plane, the same stuff you've been hauling around half way around the world is available in every store in the airport for half the price!
* All her pajamas look like they were worn by the Dalai Lama until they got too faded and he discarded them
* The first time she's pregnant you have to go out at 4:00 in the morning looking for some weird type of greasy sausages, green mangoes and bagoong
* You buy a new $500 freezer so she can store 200 pounds of SPAM and CORNED BEEF that was on sale
* Everything in your house was bought on sale, even if you don't need it ... that it was a "bargain" is all that matters
* She gets really excited by sucking the fat out of pig knees
* Your daughter gets her ears pierced when she's 2 minutes old but your sons are not circumcised until they turn 21
* All your postage bills instantly double
* You hire a Ya-Ya because your wife ckeabs mirrors with soap and a sponge and the Ya-Ya seems cheaper than a divorce
* The only "white meat" she likes is YOU. And that's if you're lucky...
* Her favorite sauce is called "patis." Americans call it turpentine
* She actually thinks that bowling and golf and billiards are real sports and are more important than baseball and football
* You were married 5 years before she explained to you that "ARAY!" doesn't mean "ooh, baby!"
* She prefers bistek to beef steak
* Her idea of new upholstery is rinsing the bagoong stains out of the slip covers
* She can eat and talk at the same time; in fact that's her specialty!
* Her favorite meal is leftovers, her favorite fancy dessert is Jell-O mold and for something REALLY romantic, she'll offer you a halo-halo with 2 straws
* You still don't know the difference between manong and manok
* She and the kids are always saying "Daddy made utot" and you still don't know what it means, but they think it's pretty funny
* Other than eyebrow raising and lip puckering, her next most expressive form of communication is grunts and pssst's
* She goes to the movies just for the AC
* Her homeland has more Megamalls than islands
* Before every holiday and visit, her sisters fax you a 10 page "bilins" list which says "suggestion only"
* Your kitchen table has a merry-go-round in the middle
* All the vegetables she buys at the Filipino store look like they were grown at Chernobyl
* Her friends are named Chinky, Girlie, Boy and Bimbo and NO, you are not allowed to smirk
* Her home economics course only taught shopping, eating and siesta; cooking, cleaning and sewing were not electives
* Her idea of edifying reading is gossip magazines
* All your place settings have the silverware backwards and there are no knives
* She washes her hair with a bucket and her car with a broom
* Her favorite book (she has 3 copies) is "1001 New Recipes for Pig Parts You Were Gunna Throw Out"
* You are the only family in a 200 mile radius with 2 Betamaxes, 3 televisions
* She's done her best job planning a surprise party for you if she manages not to tell you about it until a week or two before
* She "cleans" her closet by throwing all the crap into your closet
@quoter:
Thank you for introducing levity to this thread.
I assume that you copied those politically correct "jokes" from somewhere and posted it here.
Those qualities/ traits of filipinas are the least of our concerns. If only...
There are other ones going around in schools where there are immigrant kids titled "101 Ways To Know If You Are (whatever ethnicity)" and guess what, they are all pretty accurate compilations by keen observation.
Thanks for that @quoter. We need a light-hearted moment to lift this thread from the foul language and twisted lies witnessed here the last little while.
@quoter what you write is so true.i saw one of the broom just few days ago,i was like what the hell, i bet you one of ph coming on here and say you lie, all the stuff you wrote is true
@callcenter-agent he find out the baby is not his and i know you have a next man, american eyes been open so don't come here give us the pity party crap babes don't trap men thse day honey,if your mother had taught you morals instead she teach you how to be a hoe for western men wealth
i agree many pilipina wants only to go in another country for good life and help the family in phils; after they settle down they divorce or go another men;i know many like that; i agree of that ;;but not all;;but its better u know first the girl long time b4 to decide to marry and dont give money to her or her family because if u do that u see if shes real like u and her family not ur money;;im french guy ;first time i go in philippines ;i says wow its nice all friendly i meet girl i spend left and right;when she know i have little money left in my acount she live me ;and its bad shes pregnant ;im back to asking he to nmarry but she dont like because my sitution she want i back in france work;;but i decide to dont force her i meet another pilipina shes my fren only and we go out together she help me because she know my sitution;im stay how many months in her house no pay and her family pay dont ask ;now i feel in love ;and she pregnant but its hard for me to mary her because i dont have month she only buy food and her family but im lucky my mother help me to give money to mary and bring her in france;;we working together we left my kid to my mom to care :one think this pilipina ;who went more money than me ;she buy me a car for gift ;im lucky to hvae her and now i have very cute two kids;;;all like me i says its better u starting have no money nothing ;and way u see whos real ;u see if she love u not ur money ;sory for my english im not so good ;;;look pilipina not running ur money ;ur not a bank of them
i agree many pilipina wants only to go in another country for good life and help the family in phils; after they settle down they divorce or go another men;i know many like that; i agree of that ;;but not all;;but its better u know first the girl long time b4 to decide to marry and dont give money to her or her family because if u do that u see if shes real like u and her family not ur money;;im french guy ;first time i go in philippines ;i says wow its nice all friendly i meet girl i spend left and right;when she know i have little money left in my acount she live me ;and its bad shes pregnant ;im back to asking he to nmarry but she dont like because my sitution she want i back in france work;;but i decide to dont force her i meet another pilipina shes my fren only and we go out together she help me because she know my sitution;im stay how many months in her house no pay and her family pay dont ask ;now i feel in love ;and she pregnant but its hard for me to mary her because i dont have month she only buy food and her family but im lucky my mother help me to give money to mary and bring her in france;;we working together we left my kid to my mom to care :one think this pilipina ;who went more money than me ;she buy me a car for gift ;im lucky to hvae her and now i have very cute two kids;;;all like me i says its better u starting have no money nothing ;and way u see whos real ;u see if she love u not ur money ;sory for my english im not so good ;;;look pilipina not running ur money ;ur not a bank of them
chris shhhhhhhhh, we not interesting in that crap
them loud mouth . HOES NEED TO GO HOME, I WAS TOLD FEW OF THEM ALREADY LEAVE , WE ROUNDING UP THE REST SOON
Chris:
Even if you have no money, they are still interested in a greencard.
Run into a situation where a filipino women did as described by many above. Played the role of oh I love you no matter what and then the weekend after she received her green card she left. The person that married her is now being told that he has to pay 1000 dollars a month support to her, pay for her divorce attorney plus his attorney and yet he is being told there is nothing he can do. WTF where can he turn. What gets me is she is still texting him saying he don't love her. Where do we go from here.
We didn't post here to be proven right. In fact we hate it when a new case emerges on this board to prove us right. That means yet another one of us foreigners is being hurt.
All I can say @Nsettled is how sorry I am for the man who married that filipina in your post. I can't offer any advice on how to handle such a divorce. Will any American man reading this please offer any tips and/or info if you have any? Thank you.
Thank agbalaxy@gmail.com for saving my life and relationship! Had I not use agbalaxy@gmail.com spell, I'd have been seriously lost. ----Geno
@objectivelyspeaking and @Nsettled:
I am curious in the US if the guy could counter file for an annulment based on fraud and then not be liable for monthly support and attorney fees for her. Anyone know about this? It would vary by state law, too.
hi TALLY! i miss you. I got bored, so i remember this hub. How's our brain doing there? Is it growing? haha! Thanks for this hub, really..a great entertainment ;D
hi TALLY! i miss you. I got bored, so i remember this hub. How's our brain doing there? Is it growing? haha! Thanks for this hub, really..a great entertainment ;D
“Em oi- nhin the - em co muon danh nhau hay lam tinh?
Men and women be aware of dating foreigners. It happens everywhere, not only the Philippines.
@foryou:
You just asked me in the Vietnamese language if I wanted to have sex.
I guess that most filipinas would know how to ask that question in all languages in the world, given that prostitution is a national profession in the Philippines. You would need to be able to speak that universal question when asking for a Western Union remittance.
Tell me...is that question taught to young children in school when learning a foreign language?
For your amusement;
Overly-enthusiastic operators of smaller, and typically new, pen pal or dating businesses, motivated by pure profit, will often tell you that Filipinas are God's gift to the men of every nation. To be married to one is akin to being in Heaven!
Welcome to Heaven!
Filipinas are the greatest wives on earth! Any man who doesn’t marry a Filipina is making a big mistake! They are all beautiful, loving girls who want nothing more in life than to please their husbands. All of them are virgins until married – sex before marriage is absolutely unheard of! Still, once you’re married, all Filipinas instantly become sexual dynamos who have insatiable appetites for sex in any form, but only with you of course. Filipinas never cheat, and the idea of divorce is utterly alien to them. Most do not even know what divorce is, or adultery for that matter. No, Filipinas are utterly and completely loyal sexual servants who want only one thing: to please you!
Why? Because you’re a handsome guy, that’s why. Because she knows that American women just don’t know a good thing when they see it. Filipina wives don’t care if you're unemployed, or if you’re a crack-head, or if you're lazy or abusive. You’re her one and only and there was never, ever, anyone else for her. She loves you because you are who you are and that’s why she married you. The fact that you live in one of the wealthiest nations on earth and that she was living in poverty played no role whatsoever in her decision to marry you. She loved poverty, and unlike other women, Filipinas have no desire to marry men who can provide a good life for their children and themselves. In fact, if you were a destitute alcoholic rummaging through the alleys of Manila, and you somehow met the exact same woman you are now writing to as an American, she would still want to marry you based on your charm and good looks alone.
By the way, you can get away with anything when you’re married to a Filipina. She cares only about your happiness, not her own. If you’re too hung over to mow the lawn, tell your wife to do it! In fact, the only thing Filipinas like better than constant sex with you is, that's right, mowing the lawn. You know all those times she’s on the phone talking to her friend in her native language and giggling? Well, you can bet if she’s not talking about your sexual prowess, she’s probably talking about the new Craftsman push mowers that are on sale at Sears.
Another unique thing about Filipinas is that by some genetic quirk, they never age. They will remain exactly the age you married them for the rest of their lives. If she’s 25 now, she’ll remain 25. Her skin will never wrinkle, and her hair will never turn gray. And it’s a physical impossibility for a Filipina to ever gain or lose weight. They never get fat or skinny, and their hair is always perfectly combed.
Most Filipinas speak perfect English, but that doesn’t really matter, since they speak only when spoken to, and you won’t have much time to talk to your wife while she’s mowing the lawn, right? In the unlikely event that you find yourself talking to your wife (perhaps you get stuck in the elevator with her, etc.), don’t worry, she’ll not initiate a discussion. While all Filipinas are brilliant, they prefer not to use their intelligence in any capacity outside of reading the Karma Sutra or performing complicated lawnmower repair. Talking to you would clearly be out of line. For that reason rest assured that you’ll never have an argument with your wife, since even if she were inclined to talk to you, her opinions and beliefs match yours so perfectly that there is no area for disagreement, and even if there were, she would never in a million years voice her dissent.
There's really no need for you to get to know a Filipina before you marry her, since all Filipinas are wonderful in their own unique ways. You simply can't go wrong. Step off the plane, find some girl outside the airport, and you're set! Yes, it's really just that simple! Why waste hours, even days of valuable time getting to know your special girl when you can make a trip directly to the U.S. Embassy and get that paperwork started? Don't worry, the taxi drivers are all honest and they'll be more than happy to watch your luggage for you while you sign the three forms necessary for you to get married and bring your Filipina back to the U.S. The embassy staff members are all very friendly and eager to help you and will overlook any minor mistakes you might make while doing your paperwork. The entire immigration procedure should take no more than 15 minutes, and of course the Filipino taxi-driver, thrilled with the knowledge that another Filipina is marrying a wonderful American guy like yourself, will stop his meter while you are inside.
So what are you waiting for?! Get on that plane and go get her!
wow please quoter , i wasn't impress.
@AllahknowsAl we talking about PH people on here so take your shit someplace else
@tally - @Quoter is just being sarcastic about the filipina wife myth and fallacy, poking fun at American men who fall for it. In effect, he is saying that PH is well-oiled for this filipina meat-market trade to foreign men, especially American.
@Nancy - It would make perfect sense for the marriage to be annulled when the filipina left a week after the green card was obtained as it is too obviously a one-sided marriage-scam perpetrated by the filipina. Grinding through the red-tape to redeem the defrauded American husband will be a process while he is still on the hook for monthly support, therefore painfully expensive. This is what we have been saying here - the PH filipina wife marriage-scam is extremely well-schemed and systematically orchestrated. They know exactly how and when to strike, taking full advantage of a system designed for the honest and ethical. Unfortunately honesty and ethics do not apply to the people of all nations. Let this be a lesson learned for life.
This will also be a time when numbers matter. If all American men who have been defrauded this way would lodge a formal report with the authorities to pursue deportation of the filipina fraudster, this will eventually get some media attention so that even more can be warned. From my understanding, the authorities tend to adopt a hands-off approach with all things "family" and "domestic". This leaves the man steeping in the brine he mixed himself. Sad to say, all fingers will be pointing back to him with the questions: Why did you marry her? Shouldn't you have known better?
This is the whole point of this thread and those of us posting here in support of the topic. Some mistakes can really be irreversible.
to all the men here that has complaints about Filipina,don`t just get mad at the Filipina women that fooled you into marrying them!blame yourself for not determining their real intentions!i am a filipina as well and as i have seen,foreign men comes here for one reason...women or if not lady boys!!!you chose what you wanted,but face the fact!you cannot get everything in this world that you like,nor hold to it forever,in some ways you used the women too,so it`s a give and take relationship.don`t blame it on the other party only,you searched in the internet adn then u trust them right away.give me a break!
@Irene: You do have a valid point that it takes 2. I do think the western guys are acting rather stupid not to take it slow and easy, and use some wisdom. It does seem though that there is more fraud on the part of Ph Chics to get out of their situation--poverty, etc. The Ph gals fraud the men bec they are stupid (more than not).
@quoter has absolutely nailed my ex's behavior. He knew her 3 weeks on FB, then to the Philippines to meet. He said, "Just one look in the airport and I knew (you were the one to marry)!" Uhhhhh. I do believe such rash decisions will come back to haunt him. Foreign men reading this site: be wise or be ripped off.
Let me share this adage I came across today: "Life's too short to learn from one's own mistakes...better to learn from someone else's." I think it is dead-on apt for this discussion.
@quoter:
I really found that funny. Thank you for sharing.
Your post illustrates the filipina myth that is constantly being perpetuated. It can be compared to a dodgy salesman trying to push a lemon car on an unsuspecting customer.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Thank you for sharing that pearl of wisdom, with which I agree 100%.
Why would a person deliberately take on hardship so that they can learn from it? It is far better to observe other people's mistakes, draw parallels from other people's experiences so that one can AVOID doing the wrong thing.
Personal experience has been said to be the best teacher but the problem with this is that personal experience can also be an extremely painful teacher.
In some situations, it is far better to live vicariously through other people and still be able to learn the moral of the story and be able to apply it to one's own life.
As for myself, since I was an immigration lawyer for 6 whole years and observed the experiences of my male clients and their filipina whores, I was able to learn to never, ever involve myself with filipino people on a business and personal level.
I certainly don't need to get involved with filipino people personally in order to realise certain things about them as people and their culture. Why should I be stupid enough to put my head on a chopping block, when most of my clients have already been beheaded...?
@Nancy:
I really feel for your own personal situation. It must be really tough having to face that sort of injustice. I think that in the long run, you are better off without him because he didn't deserve you.
I believe in karma, though. Sooner or later, that filipina is going to suck him dry and spit him out like yesterday's garbage.
Filipinas like her only stay with men like him while there is still a tangible benefit to her. After he no longer serves any useful purpose to her, she will move on to the next victim. It's just their way of life.
After reading less than a quarter of the posts here, I've realized that you're all talking about filipinas who've gone online to look for foreign husbands. The Filipino girls I know who I'm sure could not commit half of what people here accuse they are capable of do not call themselves filipina. They call themselves Filipinos. There's a difference I think. The girls who call themselves filipinas call themselves that because that's what the rest of the world calls them. But there are Filipinos who missed objectivelyspeaking's radar because they will never be available for foreigners to marry.
@Filipino:
No. You are absolutely wrong. This thread is not about online scammers or street prostitutes. Most foreign men don't get sucked into marrying women like that.
If even you don't have the capability to understand your own people, then how can you look at this situation objectively...?
@ Nancy,yes i agree with you that there are a lot of fake Filipina women in the internet,that is why if you look on any dating sites,they warn you not to engage in sending money.specially if you don`t have any proof that they are for real,you have to ask yourself,how can you prove it?well, you can`t,i am sure even in western country,they have problem with their women that is why they have to look for a wife from another country,don`t mean to offend but it`s the truth.my husband is american and he was divorced before from an american girl,we got married after 3 years of living together,and now have a 3 1/2 year old daughter,we met in the internet also,i cannot say i loved him from during the time we were chatting in the net,who could?you cannot fully love somebody without meeting him or her or knowing them well.we both had several chat mates at that time until he decided to come here and meet with me.we were friends at first.he told me he has to meet with all the girls he was chatting with but he wants me to go with him to be his "guide" so i went.then after meeting all of them,we became good friends,then lovers,then partners.and now husband and wife.i love my husband so much and still living in the Philippines,we are not rich at all,and we don`t have our own home here.we are staying in an apartment for less than $100 per month.so you can`t say all of Filipina women like me is after the Westerners money. maybe some but not all.you can find a lot of scammers in the internet,a russian girl almost got my husband.in western country,some women might divorce their husband to get half of what they have.so yeah,not just pinays.and FYI,Filipina wife will serve their husbands as if they are king,but don`t treat them like your own personal asian servant.
@Filipino - If you only read a quarter of this thread, that explains why you only got a quarter of what's on my radar. Have you read the posts where I mentioned there are 2 filipinas in my extended family by marriage? One of them is in my family because her brother married one of my cousins. She (my cousin's sister-in-law) is a top-level executive in the US earning a 6-figure annual income. The other is Filipino-Chinese, married to one of my uncles for almost 30 years. Let me quote myself on this board - "one swallow does not make a summer". I know more than you think I do.
In another post, I also talked about what's spilling out from the "guts and bowels of PH society" that's giving us foreigners toxic burns. If more like you from the educated mainstream strata of PH society become more in touch with what's really going on in the guts and bowels of the rest of your country, you will have a better idea of what we are talking about here.
@Irene - I have nothing against foreign men marrying filipinas and staying with her in PH to build life, family and country together. In one of my earlier posts, I actually said I believe the foreign man who loves a filipina should love her people and country too, stay there with her in PH. That's what real love means.
To us foreigners, a filipina is a filipina, there is no such thing as a "fake filipina". They all come out from your country, do they not? Our men didn't all meet them online or in bars while looking for sex. Many were introduced by "common contacts", thought they did all the right things in the process of finding a wife to share love and life with. Only to find themselves scammed out of their pants after the filipina and her family got what she wanted out of him. This is a reality to us. All of you people from PH, good people include, need to accept and understand this as a real and enormous problem for us. As described by @tally, Gulf nationals, and I have read reports from countries like HK and Singapore, filipinas are openly soliciting for prostitution even in countries whether it is legal or not. Rather than coming online to argue with us because you refuse to recognize what is really wrong with your country, why not take a more serious look into its implications on the future of your society and people, including your own children?
I seen it with my own two eyes. I seen sailors bring their whole families over to the USA. Support all the in laws and come home one day and the house is emptpy. Ps she will have your kids too, with no remorse.
@objectivelyspeaking:
I agree with what you said...
Very few foreign men consciously set out to marry "bad" filipinas. Why would they? It doesn't make any sense. Why would someone knowingly walk into a snake pit?
And so the filipino scam continues..."no, not all filipinas are like that", "men should have known better", "men should blame themselves", "men look in the wrong places", "I'm a filipina, but I'm different", "don't stereotype", "you're racist", "but there are whores in your country, too", "China", "Vietnam","online scammers", "don't meet on the internet", "bar girls", "I'm a filipina married to an American but I really love him, not the greencard".
Have you heard it all?! I certainly have. I have heard enough from here to eternity.
@TanfromAustralia:
Thanks for your kind comments. Today is the 5th anniversary of my freedom from ex husband. I am very glad he left and I gladly regift him to this Ph chic! Yes, what goes around comes around. What you plant, you will eventually reap.
I do think many men who go looking for Ph chics are not healthy enough to get a woman from their own country (not the case for all though). The guy idolizes the Ph chic (the perfect wife) and she idolizes his check book/bank account. Sooner or later reality sets in. The guy and girl are often both takers and marriage only works when you have two givers. It is a divorce waiting to happen.
These relationships are like the story of the emperor's new clothes. No one saw what was so obvious because they ignored truth---it took a child to see truth and speak it out. They are blinded to truth by money and beauty. When truth is revealed, the relationship will crash if it is based on idolizing each other.
@Irene: Just curious what the reason is that your husband was divorced from his American wife?? And what does his ex wife say the reason is for the divorce? Maybe your husband wasn't the best husband to her. just because an American man divorces his wife, Filipinos should NOT think that it is the wife that was bad or the problem. It isn't always so. Find out the truth of why the western guy was divorced---in my case, he abandoned his wife(me) and our children. What Ph chic would really want a guy like that? Maybe for his money but not for his faithfulness!!! Filipinas are quick to bad mouth the first wife as if she is all the problem when they don't even know the truth of why a marriage ended---not right.
I also think it is trash thinking to say that the Ph chic treats her husband like a king. I just don't buy that hog wash. NO woman will give and give and give and expect or get very little in return. My ex and his Ph chic call each other Mahal, meaning prince. Get real. That is idolatrous worship
to call a mate that.
@Nancy:
You are totally correct about the dynamics of the Western man/filipina relationship as being one of a symbiotic mutual exploitation. You can euphemistically call it a Mills & Boon romance or you can be a realist like myself and call it for what it truly is...a client/prostitute relationship, as it involves a payment for sexual services rendered.
The Western man and the filipina do not truly fall in love with each other in the way that we think; rather, they both fall in love with a falsehood that cannot be sustained by enduring reality.
To be fair to filipinas, not all of them set out to deliberately scam these men. Some of them fall in love not with the men, but with the notion of being rescued into a better life. In that sense, some filipinas may be genuine in marrying these men in that in their own minds (the filipinas', that is) they really think it would work out for the long term.
Filipinas may start these relationships by having very little expectations because of her overwhelming need to be rescued from her life of poverty. However, once in the West and as time goes by, her needs start to change as does her level of tolerance for these men.
I have tried to discourage all men I have known and still know from getting involved with filipinas, not because I am racist against them, but because filipinas are way too much trouble as they carry too much cultural baggage that sharply contradict Western values.
As to the filipina who is involved with your ex husband, please trust in karma. If this filipina lives her life by using and exploiting other people, sooner or later she will run into a person who will directly retaliate in an explosive way. You can't go through life treating other people like that and expecting to not having to face consequences sooner or later down the track. The wrong person will snap back big time.
Trust in me and in what I say about karma.
@nancy, first of all "mahal" is not prince,it is a term of endearment meaning "my love", second yes i know why they were divorced!even have proof for what i am about to say,she knew she was pregnant from another man before tricking my husband into marrying her,then after that,divorced him and got his money and even child support from him.her father sent him a letter letting him know that the father was very sorry for what his daughter did to my husband.i never bad mouthed his ex wife because i am a woman too,somehow i felt sorry for her for not being faithful to my now husband.she never experienced what i did with him.it looks like most of you in this hub has a very concrete idea of a Filipino woman.you speak as if you know every little thing about us,i understand why you are thinking this way about pinays because of what happened to you...you just happened to have an ass for an ex husband.and i would not flirt or show interest to a man if i know he is married.as i have seen with my husband,he is flawless in every way,except being over protective of me and our daughter.we know how we feel towards each other.but to tell you the truth,i do see Filipino women doing it for plain money,i can tell just by the way they walk,or look at each other,it`s like a woman`s instinct,so how can`t the men tell that?i agree that it is cruel to use a man so a woman could get what she wanted.but for sure men are getting what they wanted too.and treating your husband like a king maybe you westerners would never understand.my husband do the same thing for me.
@ objectivelyspeaking:when i said fake when i was talking to nancy,meant fraud.
whether she was introduced,or met in the internet,you still chose who you thought best fits your criteria of a wife.now,even in western country or in every part of the world,a young,pretty,single woman is mostly desired by older men,and the men knowingly they would not be enough just by being themselves be fit for her,they would offer things and money and stuff or some even a condo unit.but what you give is what you take.the men are the one luring the young pinays to the luxurious life just to stick with them.me and my husband stayed in the most cheapset hotel wverytime we go some place.so it depends on you both!
@Irene:
I hardly think that most men are luring the young pinays to the luxurious life, as you say...
You just need to look at the large volumes of internet dating sites within which large numbers of young filipinas are promoting themselves to Western men, stating that "age does not matter".
Let's truly be honest as to who is "luring" who, who is soliciting who...
Don't use your own individual situational context to make a blanket statement about filipinas and their modus operandi...
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@Irene - "you still chose who you thought best fits your criteria of a wife"...The problem is filipinas pretending to be who they are not. TanfromAustralia said the rest on my behalf.
What does @fiona's post above say to you?. We foreigners have not heard of people from any other country doing this type of thing to us like filipinos do. There are A LOT of people from your country (not so from any other country) doing the most despicable and unimaginable injustice to foreigners who have loved and helped them. We are telling you so because we are on the receiving end. You are not. So don't be so insensitive to our problems.
Only filipinos get a western man to sponsor their family out of PH, then abandon him, loot his house of all his belongings, nail him for continued financial support by exploiting our legal system, AFTER HAVING BABIES with him. Your people have crapped out your country with indiscreet overpopulation. We don't want ours to be crapped out the same way. Little bastard children running around; young people growing up without proper care, nurturing and support, turning into burdens or threats to our future society. Take a look at your own country @Irene - street kids begging everywhere, prostitutes galore, cab drivers doubling as sex tour guides. We don't want this type of infestation in our societies. Our men looking for real love and happiness are being scammed into bringing it here.
uh EVERY COUNTRY has that type of opportunists. even america. whatever gender, whatever country. way to single out an asian country.........
and jeez, no babies will be made if the two of you don't have intercourse with each other.......... why does the woman always get the blame in these things? makes me want to be a feminist.
here in the middle east too many asian prostitutes, not just filipino. Vietnamese, Thailander, chinese, filipino… But the cheapest are the Chinese or they call them china doll hehehe you can even notice that they are not wearing under wear lol to think that they are in a conservative country.
Lots of pinay whores have been trafficked into China in years past. Some are stuck there posing as Chinese. Now they are scamming men on Chinese websites like QQ and xycct who think they are meeting Chinese women then wind up with the junk food of the Asian women industry aka pinay whores.
Which part of "men looking for real love and happiness are being scammed" do you not get @Justin?
filipino prostitutes they are clean and good smell and they can speak good english. but i want the chinese prostitutes because they are cheapest and even without talking they will satisfy you in bed lol.
Really? The only people talking about Chinese prostitutes in the Mid-East are pinay whores trying to deflect the real issue. Gulf nationals themselves and foreign expats have only complained about pinay whores, same with the other countries in the world. So cut your crap. I have a lot more info for comparison but would rather save it for discussion with someone who has the capacity for one.
you are saying too much, im only sharing my experience with china dolls. why have you been here? did you see chinese prostitutes here, they are skinny, with chinky eyes and pale white skin and they're english, its more terrible than mine.
Fine display of idiocy. This is what makes this thread so entertaining.
@objectivelyspeaking, there are chinese prostitutes in the UAE, of course you wouldn't know because this topic is about Filipinos and of course they will be the one to tell that in defense that there are not just desperate filipinos but chinese too.
How could you all stereotyped Filipinos? Whether Filipinos have more number of scamming women, the effect of what a woman did from China, Vietnam, Thailand, etc are all the same.
There's no filipino, chinese, vietnamese only Asians for us.
why is this thread for brainy people only like you? ok as you said to make it more entertaining, i will ask my friends to post here their experience with asian girls also.
This thread is for being `very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines`. Don`t try to side-track - a very old game already overplayed on this board. If you have anything to say about other Asian girls, go start your own thread for that and see what kind of posts you get there.
objectivelyspeaking is the real Dora the Explorer who explore the whole world and seen the different kind of prostitutes or should i say tried?? you are an expert!! or maybe if you are a woman, you have a degree on prostituting that's why you know lot about it.
Your last post shows you hardly read this thread at all, let alone grasp the essence and purpose of it.
I have no intention of insulting you but i just shared my experience and opinion here in your post:
"Gulf nationals, and I have read reports from countries like HK and Singapore, filipinas are openly soliciting for prostitution even in countries whether it is legal or not".
but seems that you don't want to accept it and i believe you are a bad person for saying too many insults on my post just like I said im just sharing my experience with chinese prostitutes. I dont need to read all entire thread because i can already see the essence and purpose of it by the way you reacting to other posts. and please use arab instead of gulf.
That`s my whole point - no one should debate without full understanding of a topic. OK that`s all the time I`ve got for you. I have a business to run. When you have time maybe go check the difference between Gulf and Arab. Gosh.
hahah you are really funny, I didn't even came here to debate. Gulf nationals?? hahaha.. yes go run your prostitution business.
@lololol YOU SOUND LIKE A FOOL JUST LOOK AT THE GARBAGE YOU WRITE, I WAS TOLD WHEN PEOPLE GUILTY THEY CARRY ON LIKE THAT
I am a Filipina and I am aware of the fact that there are "Pinays" who only marry foreigners for opportunities and money. But not all Filipinas are like that. It hurts me, as a Filipina, that we are being branded with bad reputation. It makes me hate foreigners who only came to the Philippines to corrupt us with western and liberal ways. Filipinas are naturally born as conservative and shy. But due to the Philippines corrupt government, life's been tough for Filipinos, that is why we are all over the world working for money. We deserve respect for that. We work and sacrifice not for our own self but for our family.
For foreigners who think that we Filipinas are all the same, well who do you think you are? Look at yourself first, you don't even have the right to judge anyone. What do you boast? Because you have money and you came from a rich country? Even if you have all things that you can boast for, did you buy for your life? Did you asked God to be born as American or European or whatever you are? People who see themselves higher than the others are the most pathetic people because their pride will rot them. If others have done bad things to you and you got angry because you've done nothing wrong to them, then it's a normal reaction, but you can always choose to understand and forgive. Just be thankful that you're not the bad person, just remain good, so it will turn out to be a learning experience just to make you strong and better person. But if you are a person who is selfish, proud and don't know the real meaning of love, it is really easy for you to curse and judge people who have done you wrong. Would that make you feel better? I don't think so. Forgiving and understanding others is the most effective way of helping yourself to be happy.
Why do foreigners take advantage of poor Filipinas? Why do you keep coming here in the Philippines and boast about your money? Does your money make you the good persons and that makes poor Filipinas the bad ones? ...Who makes one country poor? It the rich and powerful countries. If there were no wars for power and wealth, we'll just see each other equal. But it was all in the past, and it happened for a reason. So it's all in our hands whether to choose to continue to act superior than others or just choose to respect people. Respect is a choice, it need not to be ask for, but it must be freely given.
Just as we can't easily take back the judgement that was given, don't easily give judgement. You don't know all things.
I am a Filipina and many foreigners got attracted to me because I have that charm. But I've never had any relationship with any foreigners, not because I don't like them, but because I haven't yet found love with them. I do have foreigner friends and they are good persons. They didn't come to the Philippines for sex and they see Filipinos as wonderful and beautiful people.
The way people see things depends on the purpose of the heart. I think those who see Filipinas as gold diggers, opportunist, prostitutes etc, are people who make and allow themselves to be involved with people who get money from them. It's your fault because you allow it to happen, don't solely blame others because you put yourself in the situation. You are responsible for your own decisions and actions, so whatever results, it is all in you. Don't blame Filipinas who marry you for money, you allow it to happen. Don't call all Filipinas a whore just because you've slept with prostitutes in the Philippines, no one told you to do that and you haven't slept with all Filipinas so we are not all whores. Just try to reflect and see yourself and ask what have you been doing. Are the person who has all the right to judge us or anyone else? You may even see yourself perfect but remember that you're not the one who allows you to be born so you don't own that perfection.
@tally is right. So are people who accuse others of stereotyping, being judgemental and prejudiced etc. Deep down, they all know they are guilty, hence the noisy but pointless protests.
I also understand @arriahnna's thoughts and feelings. What she said we should be doing about understanding, trusting, forgiving and so on, we have already done for the last more than 20 years. Look at where that landed us today...exploited to the extreme by the ungrateful and unscrupulous people from PH. We have to wake up from our stupor, react and protect ourselves from further damage. That's all we are doing.
Like the good, bad reputation also had to be earned. Look at the anger and indignation expressed on this board so far. How, where and by whom did it all get started? If you are a filipino, seriously fix your country. Take a closer look at posts shared by @khayM and on behalf of Truth Bearer from getrealphilippines.com, also antipinoy.com. These are the voices of your own people, not us foreigners. Get a grip with reality and do the right thing. Nobody is out to hate anybody just for the heck of it. Life is too beautiful for that.
@arriahnna there no need to come here with all that no one hear you, what ever you people give to the world that what we see, it not one every ph women have the same issue because they where taught that growing up
i see how they operate here in the bahamas men after men all hours of the night cars pulling up , they dont even know who they inviting in their home and those woman are not young girls, i was called the other day to have a look the other people make a complain to the owner because it was noise every where when my girl friend call me to look at what they turning the place into and they also very nasty don't clean so shhh PH
JUNK EVERY WHERE MEN COMING AND GOING EVERY SECOND , THAT NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE CHILD LIVING NEXT DOOR AND THIS THE REASON WE SENDING THEM HOME
We Filipinos and Filipinas, nobody can hold us down. Whatever people are saying about us, they don't really know us because they are not us. Who would know what we're taught and what we've learned. Filipinos know and we are aware of what our fellow filipinos are doing. We also know what our country's situation is. Those people around the world who hates us keeps cursing us because they think we are no better than them. To you TALLY and other haters here, I pity you. Because you only see what you want to see and say what you only feel. But you don't know that there are a lot of wonderful things in life than hate and pride. Being a good person does not depend on your religion or status in life, your race or skin color, political views or culture. It depends on HOW GOOD you treat others. What we all sow, we will surely reap the fruit of it. And that is for sure.
@arriahnna: So if a Filipina talked my exhusband into sending her all his retirement money ($50,000 or so) over 7 months and she builds a house in Philippines with this money. Then she waits for her fiance visa but it was complicated in that she was married so now they wait for ex husband to pay for the annulment, too. And will he go to Ph to live with her? Heck no. The Phlip chic wants to come to the US to live even though she has a mansion in Ph. And do I think she just wants a green card? It seems very very suspicious!!!!!! Now do I think she ripped off my kids of their inheritance (mine too)??? You betcha!!!! And do I think she is a wretched person---or evil to be more exact??? You betcha. And do you think it would be easy to forgive this? No, it is not easy. And do you think it would be easy to start to think maybe there are others who do the same sort of thing to rip off men? And when you read the stories here of others having this happen, how can we not feel animosity towards Filipinas in general. No one here has said ALL are like that. But when you never know which are scammers and which aren't: you forgive, but you do NOT trust. You make boundaries to protect yourself and you tell others to do the same.
YOu accuse many of us of seeing only what we want to see and hear what we want to hear. I think the same is true of you. If you read the entire posts on here, you would see that many have made similar comments yet you say we are blind to the truth. But why do so many of the stories seem so similar?
This is not so much about hating Filipinos, but about protecting ourselves from scammers.
@objectivelyspeaking,
the only reason why you don`t have beggars int he US is because tax payers as my husband,give them housing for free,food for free,even cellphones for free!
you people think that Filipinos are bad because they chose a better life,or a wealthy man to be their husband,but ask your next door neighbor what kind of man do they prefer to be their husband? Filipino women that go on the internet to find a man i could say clearly say that they want someone that is not from Philippines.and the one that works in the bar work there to earn money,now when you said,that they should not go to your country to live there,i honestly think that it is up to their husband to file a petition to bring them there and up to the officer in the US embassy to pass them or not.and not up to you at all.you can hate us as much as you can ,call us low life,cuss on us.
lure is the word i used because even how blindly you speak of this topic,luring is still the word for these men coming here for a terribly young Filipino girls to be their wife,again it is up to them if they want to be involve with each other.the reality is you make your own decision,you chose what you want.the men are old enough to know what is the right or wrong.
even if we say Filipino women are only going for one thing,the foreign men won`t marry them just by being plain women,it is because they want the whole package,some get lucky come get screwed. in my small town in Bicol where i lived for 3 years,they had a Filipino girl that married an american,after she got into the the US,she was killed by her american husband.the police found her underneath their house.strangled to death.they got no kids.he killed her to collect the life insurance he got for her.one of my friend is being hit by her foreign husband and on top of that a girl sent her a video of her and her husband having sex,i could go on and on.after all that i still chose to have a foreign husband.and i got a good one.does anybody knows what happened to those Filipino women that was maltreated by these men?you would probably say,who cares?they are Filipino!
as long as your country allows us to be married and go to your country legally,i don`t think there is nothing wrong with that.
sure my country is not perfect in many ways.but we are still human that has the right to the world!and one of you mentioned,operation?can`t your government do something about that OPERATION?with all the drones and all the state of the art military equipment you got?write to your senator or something.the wrong people would not be there if they are doing their jobs.or maybe they need them to vote for them perhaps?in this world,a lot of people live by the saying."dog eat dog"
but not all...not everyone is the same.
you mentioned Pampanga in your previous comment,there are people that lives there that are doing their best to stop these bars.and i hate to break it up to you,but a large percent of those bars are owned and operated by westeners.so who is using who?people from your country makes profit and pimping out our Filipino women.so yeah do your your assignments before writing a comment.we are just victims of our government.specially our women.how could you love somebody if they used to pay you for a night or so? what?let`s say 600 pesos for a night with you?and most men would think that everyone is the same.so they would treat their wife just like the way they treat women from bars.and they would expect them to be honest?
the bottom line for me is if both people decide for their future.let them be.they never ask your opinion did they?
@arriahnna i know that all women from PH have one thing in common is to rob scam lie and do the pity party crap, i have seem too many so you telling all them people i have notices over the years i lie , woman piss on you and i dont give a fuck no one will ever get kill by you people again i will stand i will fight and i will send you all back to where you people belong, like i say every time someone stand up for honesty the hate game come out you people mouth,i really don't care i have to fight for my country because that all i get , i cannot allow you people screw up the young children growing up future i will not stand for it.
you all Filipina's come here trying to explain , you people wasting time,work on your country and family that the younger ones will do better instead come here wasting time am doing what should be gone for my country,SENDING YOU ALL ASS BACK HOME.
@Irene – Before I go any further, did you take a closer look at those references that carry the voices of your own people I suggested in my previous post? I expect you to completely skip over this question in your next post to me, that is if you do.
I don't know the place Pambanga, so I couldn’t have mentioned it subjectively, it had to be a quote as I do quote often. I did say that after years of self abuse and destruction, PH has become a very vulnerable country. Criminals and evil forces take advantage of the weak. I also said the biggest girlie bars in PH are owned by foreigners not your own people, because your people have turned your country into ripe spawning ground for licentious evil by your own doing. Same with your stories of filipinas being murdered by American men for insurance payouts...you have availed yourselves as the very tools for crime and evil because you have made yourselves disposable objects rather than human beings to be handled with respect. Sounds cruel but all true when one gets down to the reality of it. First we hear about our men being lured into your country to get slaughtered by your still current boyfriends and husbands. Now we are hearing about you people supplying yourselves as instruments for crime in our countries too??? Thank you very much. So PH didn’t just give the world prostitution and abandoned children, now instruments for crime as well?? It keeps getting worse doesn’t it? This may be the way most of you live life in PH. We certainly don’t want it here. We want to suppress crime. Not facilitate it.
If your people continue to abandon your country, crab over one another among yourselves, perceive scamming and taking from foreigners with an "all fine and dandy" attitude, you will arrive at the point of damnation with no return. Why? BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THIS MENTALITY. So do the filipinos whose voices I have suggested you take a closer look at.
That very long post you made is a reflection of the very mentality that landed your country and your people in the sh!t hole you are all in today. What you just showed us in your post is a victim mentality, an adamance to get into a first world country via marriage with a foreigner, a confirmation of the exploitation of the US legal system for spousal rights, a culture of nabbing foreign husbands and comparing notes on it amongst yourselves. Then come over here, bring the rest of your family over, get all sorts of support financially and otherwise, one fine day loot our men of all he has of and in his house, as described in @fiona’s post above. Yeah I am sure those filipina wives sounded exactly like you now for their husbands to have trusted them that much.
If only half of you filipinos would stand up and fight for your country the way @tally is demonstrating, this board would not even exist. Nor would the girlie bars in your country owned by foreigners. Nor would there be the 10s of 1000s of filipina dating and mail-order brides websites.
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@Nancy's last post restates her reasons for being here. There is no "transformation". To say she was being manipulated by "People" was adding insult to injury. Your insinuation had not gone unnoticed @Brainwashed.
i already have 20,000 sign the petition for them hoes to go back where they came from, this is not a joke leave while you can or get put in detention center no more work permit for maid because all you people do is try screw up the people them
what i found out that them women who married here already married in PH and never get divorce so all them papers will be reviewing as from Monday, what they did get somone from their country write a papers stated that they get annulment which we found out it a lie and scam so jail here they come
i found out that the women them from PH come to the Bahamas get married and they didn't get their annulment, what they did was get someone in their country write Affidavit stating about it which is lies so we began to look into it and trust me they going to jail , it 15 years to commit a crime like that here
Hey! Not all filipina are doing that! You are just unlucky that you went to a place where the prostitutes are, most filipino women are faithfull to their husband and give their best to be a good wife, I know a lot of filipino women in America that they have a long relationship in their marriage, Filipina are the best when it comes to love, patience and respect, God fearing too.
all them who married and didn't get the correction annulment will be going to jail for false information , the jail time is 15 years then after will be deported back to PH.HERE THEY COME HERE TELLING ME SHIT AND I KNOW WHAT AM DEALING WITH TRYING TO TELL ME OH WE HONEST MY ASS OUT MY COUNTRY WITH THE MESS.
@Nan:
That is dead wrong!!! Many Filipinas are NOT God fearing. You don't fear God when you say" Oh, it was God's will and He brought us together to bless us" when in fact the relationship was started while the Ph chic was married (UHHH----God calls that Adultery---one of the big 10 commandments). And also it was not God's will for my ex to leave our family---abandon us in every way----and give all his money to this chic 25 years younger than him. No way is that God!!!! They use and abuse God when they say their sin and selfishness is God's will!!!!!! Walking away and hurting innocent family members is never God's will. I will agree that many Filipinas are "religious" but when they do many deceitful actions, that are not right(eous). And if you look on the outward appearance, you could think that it was God to bring them together. But when you look at the actions of the 2 individuals (their heart and their internal motives), you know they are wanting God to approve of their individual selfish greedy wills without even being interested in what is God's will in the matter. That, my friend, is NOT God fearing.
I was thinking of earlier posts about how "only a few Ph chics do this stuff". I don't agree. Only one bad apple can spoil the whole lot. Only a few can give many a bad reputation. Maybe it isn't fair, but it is how people look at others as bad too, even if they aren't.
Re posting by @Irene and @arriahnna: typical entitlement/victim mentality. Percieves foreigners as wealthier than Filipinos, therefore okay to scam, ripoff, drain their assets. Then they blame the foreigners ' goodnatured generosity while denying any wrongdoing/unethical behavior on the part of the Filipino.
When you go to mail order bride websites such as A Foreign Affair, Filipina Cupid, etc, why do the 18-24 year old girls state in their profile they are seeking mature western men (read over 40)? I've read many anectdotal stories about young Filipinas actively seeking out older men in the malls in the Philippines and turning on the charm. Next thing you know she tells a sob story about parents illness, siblings needing money to complete education, etc. Its all about how to separate money from the "rich kano." when the rich kano marries the girl, then she coerces him to support her family through regular remittances and gifts. After the money is drained, she'll go on to the next clueless victim.
@objectively speaking,
I really think you are starting to get my point...
so in your own point of view,if your people got screwed,you throw sympathy and go to this hub everyday to voice out your thoughts.but..if it is my people,who screwed yours,"nah,they put themselves into that position,they made themselves to be an "INSTRUMENT" to a crime".like they really knew what their fate with that man would end up and they would still go with him in his country?wow,well a very stupid girl i would say, she should have known better,or can`t she tell what would happen?how many years did she knew him?or maybe would protest to the embassy for her justice instead.
then same apply to your people.if they get screwed by a girl,it was their decision.
if you look at both side,you would be ashamed of yourself with what you just said.how could you protest for justice if you yourself is not just? if one did you wrong,it does not mean all of them will.what do you call that kind of mentality?you have your own ghettos so please,stop growling at us.slaughter you men?we don`t have to do it for you,your own people does that already.i was not born yesterday for you to tell me what is happening.where ever you look at, there are men and women being killed or if not being undressed with everything what they had or worked for, by their own wives or husbands. not everyone of them are Filipino women.most of them are from your own country.how many percentage of married couple are divorce just in your country?what? 80%?who gets what?and who gets from?mostly female get support specially if they have kids.why did they divorce?because it did not work out.then why does only Filipino women gets this type of treatment from you people?because they are Filipinos.you probably thinking,they are not my kind,they stands way lower than me.say it or not,it will comes down to our race.
tally who?can`t even write English right.does tally really live there?i say go to what tally is fighting for.but leave the ones that are living peacefully with their respective husband alone!
you can back off.you can`t even take away Mexicans that went there illegally,cross the boarder or something.
You say manipulated?you are the one trying to manipulate things so it would go the way you think things should go.well it will never happen.people are not dumb! they said,"oh they will not go into the pit of snake!" well same as the Filipino women that were killed and abused.so again same thing applies to them.both parties involved and both to be blamed.don`t talk like your all glamorous and shit.your narrowed mind are only sounding ridiculous to me."justice to us,injustice to them?".you are like Hitler.you think your great so others a just roaches.then your immoral being will surfaced!
@Halwick, did you not read my post?both parties involved both parties should be the only one be blamed!if nancy said every little stories of scam are the same,then it is really a scam.who says no?if these are viral,then why people fall for this?me myself is against people being ripped off and fooled.not everyone is like them.or else,you can consider yourself as murderer,killers,hypocrite,whore,traitor. you know what i mean.i personally don`t think all of Americans are like each other.some of you are nice and kind.and same as us.you can`t say the whole country is because if that the case,we will all be gone.
@Irene:
You sound like you are crippled by the filipino mentality that @Halwick so eloquently described above.
Whilst nobody can condone violence against women, I think that the filipinas killed by their foreign husbands are isolated cases. Don't bullsh!t and suggest that those few cases constitute a large social issue, even though they are tragic.
Perhaps the issue of filipinas being victims of domestic violence by their foreign husbands is a more relevant issue that needs to be addressed.
In my experience, a lot of filipinas deliberately choose to enter into marriage with foreign men who display aggressive tendencies at the outset of their courtship. These men don't pretend to be anything other than who and what they are. The filipinas' desire to emigrate are so overwhelming that SHE HERSELF TAKES THE RISK to enter into that marriage nevertheless.
Whilst violence against women can never be tolerated, people who deliberately make a choice to take on a risk cannot be angry when it doesn't turn out the way they expect.
I guess that what I am trying to say is that most filipinas in that context are not "victims" in the true sense of the word.
am Bahamian my father and mother is Bahamian by birth they didn't buy their way to the Bahamas, this my country i will fight and make sure all them women from ph who trying to scam their way in the system will pay the price.secondly i dont give a rats ass what you all filipina's say, i cannot go in no countries and do shit i have to play by their laws and am going to make sure you people do the same or ass to jail
@Irene i choose to write in our broken english, why this your concern get the fuck out my country, say all the shit you want am in my country not running to other country and leave mine, am taking a stand and i will fight for it, my parent labor to make it what it is and i must allow you PH people to screw it up HELL NO I WILL DO MY JOB TO THE FULL EXTEND OF THE LAW AND DRIVE EVERY LAST HOES AND PIMP OUT
THEY ALREADY MARRIED IN THEIR COUNTRY AND TRYING TO PASS OFF FALSE INFORMATION TO GET MARRY HERE, I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT JAIL THEY MUST GO.
If a Filipina is killed by her husband in domestic abuse, mostly he will not get away with it. They will pursue the case until the killer is found. That is not true of foreigners who have turned up missing in Philippines. Many are kidnapped and just disappear---are killed. Often the govt. does very little to find them. That does NOT happen in the US.
@Irene –
As expected, you conveniently skipped over my question on whether you took a closer look at the posts by your own people on what’s wrong with your country and what needs to be done to fix it...which btw does not include abandoning it after nailing a foreign husband. Little wonder that you have so little interest on that discussion.
Not sure if you were too busy criticizing @tally, you were essentially arguing against your own case in your post. Did you even realize that? This is what happens when people try to defend and indefensible case.
Don’t be presumptuous. You don’t have any point for me to get. I have no need to throw sympathy and come to this hub everyday to voice out my thoughts. Like @tally and so many like-minded others, I am here to protect my society and future generations which I and many others have worked hard and made sacrifices to build. Remember…I and the women of my country are not desperate to get out of ours into yours via marrying any of your men. The reverse is true. I and the women in my country work real jobs and pay taxes. We don’t want to see any of that going to processing scam fiancée visas. This is why we are taking action to shut out marriage scammers from your country. As far as we are concerned, those entering our country via fiancée visas are all the same type of filipinas...ones even your own good people despise. Those who earn their way in through education and legit work visas, we respect.
Why are we not surprised you are so well-versed with US spousal rights and divorce settlement laws? You proved us right again on what filipinas like you are all about. You are all well-prepared on when and how to strike after you get into our country.
@TanfromAustralia already exposed filipinas' real intention for risking potential death and injury marrying a foreign man and shipping yourselves to a foreign country. It is for the ultimate reward and bounty of his assets and first world country wealth and benefits. Your post actually validated his argument because it is true and you people know so too.
My paragraph on the “transformation” of @Nancy and “manipulation" was not directed at you. You are not @Brainwashed.
@Irene, it is regretable that any woman is the subject of domestic violence, whether she is Filipina, Japanese, American, etc. I'm sorry it happened.
But lets look at the cause-and-effect relationsgip. We know what the effect is: foreign husband abuses Filipina wife. What action(s) on her part caused her husband to act in the manner he did? Men usually have reasons for the things they do. I'm not condoning his actions, just trying to get to the root-cause.
@Halwick:
In my experience, a lot of the violence experienced by filipinas from their foreign husbands has resulted from provocation on the part of the filipinas, arising out of issues such as unreasonable demands for money to buy lavish items way beyond her means, a cultural stubborness to insist that their foreign husbands use their income to support her siblings and parents in the Philippines who resort to not working due to issues of dependency and laziness.
Other factors of provocation include lying, adultery, taunting and generally just fucking up these men's lives in every way, shape and form.
Men can only tolerate so much, although they are WRONG to resort to violence. A lot of these men have invested a lot emotionally in these filipinas and these men have also drained themselves financially for these filipinas as well.
Whilst nobody should tolerate violence against women, it is also necessary to delve into the factors of provocation so that we are seeing both sides of the coin.
Every action has a reaction.
@ objectively speaking,
did you even read my earlier post?i said i am totally against these scams you are talking about.i just read nancy`s post and yes i am terribly sorry for what happened to her.but do you think,a good husband would go to another woman`s bed if he truly love his children and wife?i don`t think so.whatever manipulation,or scam,or even flirting a woman do to a rightful man.he would not engage into sleeping with her or even send her all of his money intended originally for the future of those people.again,nancy just happened to have an ass for a husband.did i say,her ex fiancee girlfriend is good?no!i disagree.my point is not all of us are the same.and second,it is not just one person`s fault if nancy is in the situation she was when her marriage was broken.why does always mistresses get to blamed?if you did not played with fire,you would not get burned!it is his choice to leave.it is the Filipina`s choice to go with him and take everything.which is i totally against of.i am not blind.my eyes are open,and i see both sides.not like you and most people.i remember having a drink with my husband in a restaurant,during thanksgiving,and saw an american waiting for someone.when she finally arrived,i thought she was a woman.then i realized it`s a guy that looks exactly like a girl.when he went to get something,i went to this gentleman and asked him if he knows who that person really was.he said "yes!" "she is my GIRL FRIEND" i told him,do you know he is not a real woman?
he was shocked and thanked me for telling him.that night,i just could not go home and sleep well if i knew what would happen to that man if won`t tell him.felt good,and i just hope,even if i won`t make a huge impact,at least i helped a few.when he walked out that restaurant,he made a decision to leave.and not go more further with that kind a person.this is what i have been trying to say,not trying to sugar coat or ignore these things.like i have said before,i was not born yesterday. i know what is happening.and believe me,people here are taking steps to take these bars and scams out of here.you do your part and we will do ours.
i know about your laws because me and mu husband talk so much about all kind of things.we inform each other and protect ourselves.
@Irene:
You don't "see both sides" as you put it. Rather, you see things from a distorted, simplistic culturally biased perspective.
Just because men cheat on their wives, does not always mean that the wife is at fault or that there is some deficiency in her, or that he doesn't love her enough. Some men cheat just because they can.
The men who leave their wives for filipinas are doing it because of the gross mispresentations these filipinas make about loving them no matter their flaws/deficiencies. It is the misrepresentation of unconditional love and the flashing of a fresh young body that appeals to these men.
In contrast, Western women whom are geniune and have pride in themselves and are financially secure and support themselves...do not have to resort to that sort of scamming.
Don't you dare suggest that there is something inherently superior in filipinas to make these men so attracted to them. Any 65 year old man is going to find a young desperate filipina appealing. Western women are way better than you filipinas because they don't have to scam and prostitute themselves the way you do. If anything, filipinas are the ones who end up with these Western women's leftovers in men.
@Irene don't waste your time here.
Objectivelyspeaking is a Chinese, Tan is a Vietnamese, Halwick is just a Halwick and Tally is just one Bahamian who thinks her people are known to be good people. ANd Nancy, is just blinded by the fact she is experiencing the pain that her husband and a filipino woman caused(Aside from the fact that her husband is an ass)
Objectivelyspeaking, I was calling you an arrogant bitch because you really are, you should know that there are articles written by a Chinese who hates how Chinese women wants to have a relationship and marry foreigners as well.
Asian scammers and whores are all the same.
@Matemyaz:
But how can they all be the same when Asian whores and scammers are mostly Filipinos?
I realise that Filipinos don't think of themselves as Asian. But they demean and embarrass other Asian nationalities.
Ok that's your opinion. People who believes in what you are saying lives in a box.
Asians do many things to embarrass themselves. One is what you are doing.
@Matemyaz - Why don't you just shut your az up? You are a nothing more than a neo-nazi supremacist pig sneaking around to stir trouble with anyone without white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair. People not of the aryan race whom you call gooks. People who in your warped ideology are inferior to you. This is the real reason you keep saying all Asians are the same. Yeah it takes an arrogant bitch to tell you that stupid az.
@Irene - TanfromAustralia articulated my thoughts. You know what, in the least, you are more courteous than Motherlodes I & II. So I shall just leave that with you here. Good to know people in your country are taking steps to take down the bars and scams.
Just remember this...we still perceive all filipinas coming into our country on fiancee visas as scammers because of those before you.
Your government passed a law to ban mail-order brides. What's stopping them from enforcing that law to shut down any filipino sites for "filipina brides" like the one on the right side bar of this hub? Still waiting.
@Matemyaz:
And what I am doing to embarrass myself?
I am only posting about my experiences. They may be subjective but I am only posting about the truth as I see it.
@Irene what the Bahamas have to do with the Mexicans the ones that live here are hard working people they don't give no problem,and they follow the law only your people think they should break the laws bring their nasty habits and it ok , to show you don't know the shit you talking about.
@Matemtaz:
The only poster who has an agenda in this thread is you. One minute, you're a racist by calling me a "gook" and objectivelyspeaking a "chink", the next you're calling both of us "racist" and then constantly bringing up issues about Vietnam and China which are irrelevant in the context of this thread.
I can assure you that objectivelyspeaking and I don't have an agenda other than sharing our knowledge and experience with the aim of warning people.
I know the truth may be hard for you to digest, but the truth is what it is.
The truth about me is that I don't have an axe to grind against the Filipino people. I have never dated a filipina nor do I ever want to. I have never been wronged by anyone romantically which is why I am not bitter. Your blatant assumptions about me are totally wrong.
This is about you lashing out at me to try to provoke me because you find the truth too painful to accept.
Since I began posting in this thread, I haven't said anything about the Filipino people that is unfair or untrue. I might sometimes have a crude way of expressing myself, but I have never unreasonably attributed anything to the Filipino people.
I have come across many Filipino people who claim the Spanish influence upon their country to propel the vanity of their conviction that they are not really "Asian". That is, they are better than the rest of their Asian neighbours.
How ironic is this? Especially when you consider the fact that Filipino people cause so much embarrassment to other Asian people.
The national profession for men and women in the Philippines is pimping and prostitution. The main source driving their economy is remittances of money from overseas. Thus it is a country which is sustained upon begging and dependency.
In some people's fantasies, the Philippines is still the jewel of Asia.
The Philippines resembles a large pile of dog sh!t to me.
we have Asians living in the Bahamas not one day, we can point finger at them. they come in the Bahamas with a good intention, they operate their business and get involve with positive things,Filipino's they have one thing on their agenda , how to lie, scam, come with the pity party crap.
@TanfromAustralia - I am sure I am not the only one who has observed that when you first came on this board, you posted with courtesy and professionalism. You have not been crude, merely returning poison for poison as of the hyena attack on you by certain filipinos. Nothing wrong with being an upfront straight-shooter. Especially on an issue so laced with hypocrisy, treachery and duplicity.
In fact, I appreciate it very much that you have used some words I couldn't, as a woman.
The whores in the Philippines are the most honest girls over there: Give me a note out of your purse and i will give you half of myself for an hour. If this isn´t fair trade - what then is fair trade!? The worst are those who accentuate explicitly that they are NO whores and earn they money "decently". All those nurses and teachers, sales-ladies a.s.o. While a whore trades her body just temporarily for cash and both business associates know the rules, the "decent lady" trades herself on the basis of stories, lies and name it. And this for livetime. The Philippines is full of such "decent" girls. All guys: just look around, open your eyes and be honest to yourself and see that the best women in the Philippines are the whores.
What can you say about this tally?
You're acting as if you are a holy man from your holy land Bahamas!!
US DOWNGRADES BAHAMAS' HUMAN TRAFFICKING ASSESSMENT
The Bahamas' human trafficking assessment was downgraded even further after failing to satisfy standards set by the US State Department for the third consecutive year.
Despite making "significant efforts," the country was again listed as a destination, source, and transit country for persons subjected to forced labour and sex trafficking in the 2011 Trafficking in Persons (TIP) report - released Monday.
The report, which targets prosecution, protection and prevention of human trafficking, stated: "Despite these efforts - most notably increased government statements of commitment to address the country's human trafficking problem - the government did not demonstrate evidence of an overall increase in its anti-trafficking efforts over the previous year; therefore The Bahamas is placed on Tier 2 Watch List."
It added: "The absence of a formal inter-ministerial coordination body and formal procedures to guide officials in how to identify and address suspected instances of forced labour or forced prostitution were obstacles to progress during the reporting period."
Government efforts noted include the implementation of a "special cadre of prosecutors" within the Department of Public Prosecutions, to be assigned to trafficking cases. However, according to the US State Department, there have been no reports of assisted victims or prosecuted offenders.
Trafficking, defined as "modern day slavery", covers a range of activities revolving around one person "obtaining or holding another person in compelled service." Forms of "service" can include involuntary servitude, debt bondage, forced labour and forced sex work. Tier 2 nations, the category held by the Bahamas in the 2009 and 2010 reports, are classified for their "minimal efforts to protect victims of trafficking" and "minimal anti-human trafficking law enforcement efforts."
At the release of last year's report, Minister of Immigration and Foreign Affairs, Deputy Prime Minister Brent Symonette said that the Bahamas would "do whatever is possible to make sure we're compliant" with anti-human trafficking standards.
However, National Security minister Tommy Turnquest explained that a difference of opinion on the validity of the report may influence the government's view of compliance. At that time, Mr Turnquest said the government took the issues presented "very seriously" but, despite efforts, there was "no evidence to support the claims."
In the report released yesterday, the State Department advised that forced labour and prostitution were acknowledged to exist in the country by senior officials.
"NGOs and officials in the Bahamas are concerned that the estimated 30,000 undocumented Haitians, most of whom arrive voluntarily, are highly vulnerable to forced labour in farming, landscaping, and housekeeping."
The report alleged that there were also cases in which Haitians were "coerced into involuntary servitude" by employers who withheld work permits, and threatened arrest and deportation. This information was alleged to have come from NGOs and local experts. It was reported that the informant groups also held the fears that Jamaican, Chinese, Peruvian, and Filipino workers could also be vulnerable. Children engaging in sex with men for basic needs, such as food, transportation or material goods, were grouped as vulnerable to sex trafficking in the Bahamas. Recommendations for the Bahamas remain the same as last year's, with the exception of the request to implement a national trafficking public awareness and prevention programme. These include: developing and implementing standard procedures for the identification of forced labour and prostitution victims among vulnerable groups; investigating, prosecuting, and punishing suspected human trafficking offenders; and allocating resources for NGOs designated to assist victims.
Andy 11 minutes ago
ANDY WHO WAS DOING ALL THE TRAFFICKING SURE NOT BAHAMIANS, IT WAS PEOPLE FROM PH HAITI ASS AND THE LIST GOES ON READ WITH UNDERSTANDING
when we find out what was going on we put a dent in their business, it wasn't bahamains taking people from PH and leave them in Cuba it was you all own people, as i say on this board dont bring up old shit didn't we clean up that mess so please clean up you all country and stay in you country your people are not welcome we just don't want you all here period
this the reason why we dont want no hoes and pimps because they are the same ones who trafficking their own people.
I married a filipina woman. And in just 6 months I have been asked to send up to 40k pesos a month. Saw into my wife yahoo she talking to an ex about coming to usa to be with him.. to having an affair and getting pregnant by him, fake me as the father. 6 months I was working to bring my wife to be together.. and I see I been used badly. Not saying all filipina woman are like this but... wow did I marry a bad girl.
@James:
But the truly disturbing thing is that she would have played you for as long as she could...if you hadn't found out.
These women are very talented at being 2 faced and conniving.
THAT THE SANE REASON AM DRIVING THEM BACK TO PH WE DONT NEED THEM HERE
Why just single out The Bahamas to attack @tally? Not cool.
On the same page of Google returns for countries downgraded by the US for human trafficking, there is a long list of other countries alongside The Bahamas. Thailand and Singapore in Asia, and of course The Philippines. Please see below:
"US Wants higher trafficking conviction rate of traffickers in the Philippines
BY TARA QUISMONDO - PHILPPINE DAILY INQUIRER (MARCH 15, 2011)
Manila, Philippines - The United States is seeking a higher conviction rate of human traffickers in the Philippines as the country faces a possible downgrade under American trafficking prevention standards, s step backward that might freeze the flow of non-humanitarian and non-trade aid to the country. Read more"
"US to downgrade Thailand's human rights status to North Korea's level
www.defence.pk/.../167413-us-downgrade-thailands-human-rights-st...Thailand
Thai authorities are bracing for a downgrade to Tier Three on the U.S. State Department's watch list of countries with the worst records in. ... The U.S. State Department report on human trafficking is due out in June."
Trafficking of Filipinos in Singapore ‘all-time high’
Veronica Uy, Inquirer, Manila
globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/-116650/Trafficking-of-Filipinos-in-Singapore-all-time-high--DFA
[accessed 22 December 2010]
The modus operandi essentially has illegal recruiters promise young women non-existent jobs as waitresses or guest relations officers in restaurants and hotels in Singapore. They are each charged a minimal S$100 to S$1,000 as recruitment fee in the Philippines, and given roundtrip tickets (sometimes the return ticket is fake), a fake invitation letter, and “show money” for showing to Philippine immigration officials who scrutinize their financial capacity as tourists. Expecting to work in legitimate jobs, Filipinas end up working as prostitutes. They are forced to provide sexual services to customers and earn commissions from alcoholic drinks to enable them to pay the $1,000 to S$4,000 they allegedly owe their handlers. The report said victims who fled to the embassy were provided shelter and assisted in their repatriation back to the Philippines. They are interviewed, their affidavit taken, and are advised to file a complaint either in Singapore or in the Philippines."
Rather than building morally-healthy and family-friendly tourism of their 7107 beautiful tropical islands, PH had an embarrassingly low number of 3.9M tourists in 2011 comprised of many sex tourists, pedophiles and soon-to-be marriage-scam victims. As if that is not enough, PH traffickers also export their village girls as prostitutes to popular tourist destinations in other countries, lousing up the healthy tourist trade of those countries with their filth. What is wrong with this picture? Can someone explain why those of us speaking up against this are repeated being told to hush up??
It would be nice if the US also tighten up their fiancee visa criteria and stop letting the likes of @James' filipina wife enter the country. Of course @James' story is just the latest of the long list on this thread alone.
Guys come on lets start to use some intel around here. First of all there is no such thing as good race bad race. Its people some good some not. Never forget how hard life is for poeple in third world countries and don't be so damn stupid as to think that a huge age gap is going to work for you. Of course the girl will look for someone younger and better looking than a fat tubby dumb ass american. What do you expect. Would you marry a fat old woman who is 30 years your senior??? Get real Dumb asses
That's being overly simplistic. A good number of men have posted here that they are not old, fat, ugly or dumb but got slashed by their filipina wives all the same. One of the reasons: the filipina has a secret pinoy husband or boyfriend a-waiting to be brought from third to first world through the very simple process of duping a foreign man into marriage. A good number of men have reported an age gap of less than 10 years, with the filipina introduced by a "mutual contact" in the foreign country, not anywhere near a bar or red-light district in PH.
Before anyone lashes accusations of "judging a whole nation", recognize that the only way to stay out of trouble is to be wary of them ALL, because many different avenues apparently safe have all led to the same disastrous destination of the men losing all their assets, the most unfortunate few their lives too. It is impossible to differentiate their good from their bad at face value. This makes every encounter with one of them a game of Russian roulette. Men whose life and future have any value or meaning to themselves should take this into careful consideration before meeting a filipina for marriage. That's what we are saying here.
Getting involved with a filipina is like playing a game of Russian Roulette. The gun has 6 chambers and 4 of those chambers are loaded with bullets. Would you take a risk like that? I certainly would NOT.
I get very frustrated with Western men who carry the delusion/stupidity/naivety which propels them to go to the Philippines and hook up with women who are desperate to emigrate.
And why can't they learn from the stories of other men who have been there done that? Are they so vain that they think it can't happen to them?
Why are these men so fucking stupid? They are walking into a classic lose/lose situation. Are they so gullible? Are their egos so fragile?
@objectivelyspeaking he can pull out all the crap am on a mission and none will stop me, i really dont have much time to write him back i have to save my my country from those people.
@tally - I admire what you are doing. Please keep doing what you do. More should be like you, especially in the countries most affected - the US, Canada, the UK and Australia. We will write in support of you.
One thing is clear. The good and educated filipinos who seriously want positive change for their country are not opposing us or arguing with us. They understand this has now become an international collective effort.
LIKE I SAY ON THIS BOARD WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS AND WE WORKING IT OUT , I AND OTHERS DON'T WANT NO EXTRA BAGGAGE'S ON OUR HAND AND I WILL DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO TO KEEP THEM PIMPS AND HOES OUT
TanfromAustralia, how is your best friend doing, if I may ask? Did he ever marry the filipina despite your misgivings? Did she ever sign the prenuptual you prepared for them? Did her true face surface and your friend backed out just in time? Hopefully the latter. Wondering how the story turned out.
@Halwick:
Unfortunately, my best friend is still intent to marry his filipina whore. I understand that her visa application has just been lodged.
I have already prepared the prenuptial agreement, which he will make her sign when she arrives in Australia as a condition to their marriage.
He does not fully trust her now because I have planted the seeds of doubt in his head about her. However, he does want to give this (sham) marriage a try.
He is extremely protective of his assets, which is why it has been so easy for me to convince him about insisting on the prenuptial agreement.
This filipina he is marrying has no idea the situation she is walking into because he and I have fully organised ourselves to defeat her legally.
We have also hidden his assets and moved his life savings into a bank account solely controlled by his mother.
@Tan,
Sorry to hear your friend intends to go through with a potential sham marriage but glad he has a friend like you to help him protect his assets and interests.
Couple of thoughts: Don't know how prenups are handled in Australia, but here in the U.S. if there is any evidence that the woman is forced, coerced to sign a prenup against her will or she does not understand the prenup, the divorce court will rule the prenup null and void, should there be a divorce trial. Be careful how you handle that. Another thing: suggest your friend keep a careful diary to record the filipina's suspicious behavior/activity as evidence of anything that suggests a sham marriage.
Best wishes to your friend's happiness and wellbeing. Hope everything works out okay.
@Halwick:
There are similar laws in Australia pertaining to prenuptial agreement, one provision being that the prenuptial agreements can be void if the woman was forced to sign it under duress.
Many migrant wives have relied upon that loophole to set the prenuptial agreement aside, by claiming that their husband told them that if they did not sign it, then the marriage would be cancelled and they would not get their visa.
In my best friend's situation, I have planned it all out very carefully. She lodged her visa application before he has told her about the prenuptial agreement, so she cannot claim that he coerced her to sign it. In fact, he will not say anything about the prenuptial agreement to her until she arrives in Australia and after her visa is approved.
When he does tell her about it, it will be in front of 3 people who can be witnesses as to what was said and how it was said; these people can give evidence if it goes to court later on because she wants to contest the validity of the prenuptial agreement.
He he tells her about it in front of the witnesses, he will say something to the effect that she has a choice to sign it, because her signing it is NOT conditional upon their marriage going through.
Either way, she 's screwed because if she still refuses to sign it, then she knows he will not go through with the marriage anyway.
She can't even begin to imagine how well he and I have planned all of this out.
If she is going to be a whore and attempt to use him, then all that she is going to get is permanent residency to live in Australia...and absolutely NOTHING more than that, certainly not any of his money or property.
I said to him the other day that if the "marriage" doesn't work out, then at least he would have a whore to screw for a few years to whom he doesn't have to pay any money. Not a bad deal for him, either, if all that she is going to get is the ability to reside in Australia permanently...
Very well thought out and very shrewd. Either way she risks losing face (for whatever its worth to a filipina) if she doesn't conduct herself a cooperative and faithful wife.
@Halwick:
Yeah, that's right. I want to create evidence to be used later in divorce court that she was told she had a choice to sign it or not, but in reality, she cannot say no to it without proving to him that she is really a scammer, because if she is genuine anyway, she would have no problem signing it.
She is totally delusional if she thinks she will get any money from him. Hell will freeze over before that happens.
His mother controls all of his properties now. He doesn't have a father or any siblings, so all of his assets will be safe in his mother's control.
When a foreign man is marrying a filipina, these steps must be taken. There is no other way, even though I know it must sound paranoid and extreme.
I have known men whom have lost virtually everything in these situations. You have to be able to know how the mind of the filipina operates so that you can outsmart and pre-empt her actions.
I used to be a good migration lawyer. But now I'm a even better divorce lawyer.
@TanfromAustralia:
Yor friend has no father or siblings and his mother is his only relative who is executer of his property and assets. Hmm...I had a friend who was in similar situation. He had a wife (a filipina-chinese) whom he thought was genuine, even helped him take care of his mother as she grew. Long story short, mother had a stroke, was transferred to a extended home care facility. After mother died, he inherited everything and then wife's true face surfaced: wife divorced him and got half of everything. It took 20 years before he realized she was patiently planning this all along. Warn your friend never to let his guard down.
A fool is a fool, no matter the country, and a con artist is a con artist, no matter
the culture. Don't be in such a rush; this is the one thing that con artists all have in common, the deal has to be done ASAP. Do any of you honestly believe that the odds will be good that a relationship will succeed if you treat someone like an item from a catalog? it seems that to many, there's never enough time to achieve the goal of a lasting relationship, but there's plenty of time to go through the process of cleaning up the mess when it fails because it was rushed.
@Halwick:
In that example you gave, the wife probably got half of everything because of the long duration of the marriage and because of her non-financial contributions, such as taking care of the mother.
If the wife had planned all of this for 20 years, I think it is a sad and pathetic way to waste her life, especially if she didn't love her husband. That example only serves to illustrate how extensively women like her go to prostitute themselves.
Life is way too short to waste 20 years of one's life for a chunk of property, no matter how much it could be worth.
I would never waste my life that way. You can't use money to buy back the quality time that you have lost. That is why imprisonment is such a bad punishment.
I feel pity for women like that who impose self-imprisonment upon themselves by staying in a loveless marriage for financial gain. They might justify it as a sacrifice, but I see it as stupidity and weakness.
@Tan,
Thanks for perspective. I wouldn't say she wasted 20 years of her life. I would say from my observations she lived more comfortably in the U.S. than had she lived in the Philippines, and she cared about his wellbeing and happiness while they were married and he likewise for her.
My friend doesn't understand why she divorced him as he is a decent man who treated his wife fairly and provided her with nice amenities and yes, did romantically pay attention to her.
When she divorced him she was in her late-40s and still attractive. (She was in her mid-20s, he was in late-30s/early-40s when they married. Can't say how they first met, but she impressed me as educated and middle-class....not a bargirl.). After the divorce, I heard she went back to the Philippines.....with a lot of money and nice things he had given her over the years.
I have no doubt she viewed the marriage as an investment, knowing sooner or later she would get a hefty return when she divorces. She knew how long to stay in the game and walk away profitably. And by the way, many (okay, not all) American women are like-minded, which is probably why he married a Filipina instead of an American; he fell for the hype that they make devoted, family-oriented wives who don't believe in divorce.
I find with wry amusement that filipinas and filipino-sympaticos state they do not believe in divorce (or anullment). Maybe so while in the Philippines. But once outside the Philippines, away from the Catholic church influence and into a liberal-minded country like the U.S., it's amazing how quickly their thinking change.
@Halwick:
In the example you gave, if she stayed with him for 20 years, I could believe that she loved him at one point and that maybe her being with him was not a scam the the outset or thereafter.
However, the reality with divorce is that people (not just necessarily women) are out to get as much as they can in property settlements. This is not necessarily an issue just pertaining to filipinas, if we are to be fair.
Men can be so intelligent and yet so incredibly stupid when it comes to women.
Many Western men carry the fallacy (or delusion) that if they marry an Asian woman, she will be passive, subservient, unassuming and non-materialistic.
What these men don't understand that many of these women come from very poor backgrounds. These women have simple needs at the outset because they fall in love with the notion of being rescued into a better life, not necessarily in love with these men per se in accordance with our Western perceptions of love.
Once these women are brought into the West, their needs and perceptions change as do their standards and demands.
Whilst Western men may initially be attracted to these women's seemingly non-materialistic nature, the biggest irony in the legal context of divorce and property settlement is that these Asian women go straight for these men's jugular, more so than Western women in the same context. This is because these Asian women are likely to have come from very poor backgrounds and they see fighting for assets as a necessary means to survive.
That is why I chose to not go back to Vietnam and marry a Vietnamese girl, knowing what I know about their cultural baggage. I can't choose to stick my hand into a viper's pit and then moan about it when I get bitten.
I chose to marry an Australian girl because I wanted a partner who can be equal to me in every way, including working and making an equal financial contribution to our relationship as well as an equal say in everything in our relationship.
I was a migration lawyer for 6 years and now I work as a family lawyer. My experience has given me a unique insight into an overlay of these issues. But most importantly, my experience has taught me how to protect myself from other people.
@Halwick:
I note with curiousity the last paragraph of your latest post.
It illustrates the artifice of Filipino culture, highlighting the distance between what artifice exists in the surface and the grotty hypocrisy which lies beneath.
The same parallel can be drawn with marriage scammers.
The biggest problem that I have is that Filipino culture is largely a recalcitrant one.
All there good for is to drain youre nuts and youre bank account nuff said and i know nothing.....
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The Philippines is a two tier priced place. On one side you have Filipino prices and the other you have dumb foreigner inflated prices. Basically any touristy place in a major city will be over-priced. Because foreigners will pay these prices and the upper-middle to rich classes of Filipino society will also pay, for the sake of showing off that they can afford to eat or hang out in these kinds of establishments. If you look at the Philippines as a whole, there aren't many places like this. But, these are where tourists usually wind up or they are in the better parts of town, so you are getting charged more for the "supposed" nicer ambiance and better facilities.
I agree that halfway decent hotels are overpriced here, but when every decent place gets away with it, there is no incentive to lower prices.
Lack of quality is a big issue in the Philippines, this is mainly due to Filipinos generally not being complainers so nothing improves much over time. I think the way things improve here is when something just breaks and the only option to fix or replace it with is a newer model item that didn't exist previously. There is no concept of preemptive maintenance, things just get fixed when they break.
Food prices vary depending on quality and if they are local or imported. Anything imported from Asia is generally more a little more expensive, like from China or local SE Asian countries. Anything imported from Europe or N or S America is greatly inflated, but the food is much higher quality usually than what you can find locally in the Philippines so people with money here are willing to pay the inflated prices.
Filipinos have no concept of price competition, they just raise prices, almost never lower them to attract business. For example, if business is slow in a bar the logical thing a foreigner might do is lower his prices to attract business or create special discount days to draw in customers. Here in PI, they think," well, business is slow and I'm losing money. So I'll just raise prices a bit and that will make up for less customers"... I have to agree though that prices have been going up considerably in the last few years. When I first came here 8 years ago it was A LOT cheaper than it is now. Even though the Government says that inflation isn't that high here and thus they can lower interest rates so banks will lend more money, I think they are just spinning a story to get people into debt and spend money just like what happened in Europe and America. So there will be a bubble burst probably second half of this decade in Philippines, will be a good time to buy real estate then...
You can stay here cheaply as a tourist, if you are willing to settle for less and know a bit of the tricks to being here. Mostly you have to have a bit of experience being here first before one learns how to navigate things here, or be guided by someone who already lives here. You can easily have a great life here on 50,000 Pesos or more a month if your single and don't go crazy spending money on nightlife all the time or Western foods and dining. If you want to settle down with a GF and have a family, you probably need to bump it up a bit. With a wife/GF and one kid, your living expenses will probably go up at least 20,000 Pesos a month is you live in the Metro Manila area. This is if you to choose to live a middle class life style or above.
Beauty is subjective to the person. Filipinos are not as ugly as you project them to be, but yes, there is only a small minority which would really stand out for their looks or physical appearance. Most of these women never make it into the dating scene. By their 20's they are usually scooped up by local guys while they are in high school or early college. The ones that do get onto the dating market usually have something going against them, whether it's family, single mother, mentally/emotionally unstable, gold digger/player, a P4P girl, etc. Also, one has to be aware that most families will try to send their kids overseas to study or work so a lot of the better looking girls are being sent off to Uni overseas. The better looking are usually girls from a family that could provide decent nutrition for them as they grew up. The good looking girls with decent social standing are readily snatched up by local guys and the good looking whore girls that many foreign guys run into are also being taken out of the bar market, so there are only left overs usually of average or below average girls. Almost all Filipinos with half a brain want to get the hell out of the Philippines for the most part cause they don't feel they can have a successful life here. So there has been a mass exodus of quality ladies over the last decade or more. So as more leave and more guys are trying to find foreign wives, there are going to be less decent 20 something women to hook up with.
Filipinos have all kinds of looks and you can find ones that don't have the monkey face, scarred legs/face, pig nose or Alfred E Neuman ears, but like I said you gotta take your time and wade though the masses and be patient. I've seen a lot of knock-outs and I could go to any large mall in Metro Manila and find them. But if you look at the millions of people in say Metro Manila, maybe when you go to the mall there are only a few dozen that one might find attractive enough for their tastes. However, most guys over 45 don't care as much about facial looks, they just want a young girl with a half way decent body that doesn't look like the fat older Western girls they are used to having to look at from where they come from (even though most of them are considered fat as well). I personally like a nice body and will overlook facial imperfections to be able to hit it. So maybe a girl has a 8,9,10 body for my tastes, but she only has a 7,6, or 5 for facial looks. Average face and killer body is okay with me, but I think most guys want a killer face and will work with an average body. However if I wanted to get serious with a girl then a nice face is a must, the body can be improved with proper diet and exercise. But with one-night stands or casual humping, I prefer nice body than face. As long as I don't have to put a bag over it.
If you think Filipinos are ugly, don't go to Indonesia! They are way worse looking than Filipinas. I was just there a few months ago and basically you can go days without seeing a good looking girl. But I prefer curvier woman, so girls in Indonesia don't have those characteristics. If you like short girls who are either super thin with no tits or ass, or slightly plump girls who think stuffing their face gives them curves, but they still have no decent tits or ass, then go to Jakarta Indonesia.
You can goto the local nightlife hangouts and spend minimally, but do you want to hang out in a drab place with dirty plastic furniture with roaches crawling around and the bathrooms look like they haven't been cleaned since the building was built? yeah you can still get 20-40 Peso beer prices if you are willing to lower your standards to the local Filipinos male one, but most foreigners can't and the locals know this so they will usually charge higher alcohol and food prices cause they know they can get away with it.
What Winston said about current prices is basically correct except Taxis now are 40 Pesos start of meter and go up 3.5P so often depending on KM and time. So Taxis are a bit more expensive now than they were in the first half of 2011. I would say they went up by a third. I never tip girls from bars in the provincial cities, only give them taxi money like 50-100 pesos. In Manila they expect a tip because there is a larger influx of business tourists that go to the foreigner bars and they often just put their expenditures on their business account. This is why Burgos and EDSA Complex have expensive bar fines and lady drinks. The girls expect a tip also cause they have been spoiled by these guys throwing money at them. So I wouldn't bar fine a girl from those places unless you don't need to watch your expenses and are willing to spend well over 5000 pesos just for the barfine and tip. Pick up girls at the bars in Malate are cheaper but the quality and attitude varies so if you are a tourist with a limited time frame then you may or may not have the best experience there. It's luck of the draw.
I used to be a regular whore monger at the bars but I don't really go to them anymore due to my own life schedule, higher prices and lower quality of girls nowadays. I'm not kidding when I say that the good looking girls are being pilfered away through different mechanisms at an increasing rate of speed than just a few years ago. If I didn't have personal commitments here I would much prefer to go to Thailand or Vietnam and date the girls there. Cambodia, I didn't really see too many good looking girls there so it wouldn't be on my list unless things have changed in the past 5 years from last I was there. The only thing PI has going for it nowadays is English being spoken and used here, but even that is slipping away every year because of the atrocious education system here and Tagalog TV being preferred than English channels. I interview Filipinos regularly and test their English skills and every year their overall abilities have been going down on average. In another 10-20 years the average publicly educated Filipino will be on the same level English wise with all the other Asian countries, basically minimal or none. I'm already seeing it when I travel to provincial cities. I'm also seeing it in metro Manila when I'm not in the larger commercial areas.
The Philippines is self-destructing upon itself, it's just that the population living here that hasn't already immigrated from the country can't really see what's coming around the corner for them, with the increasing population and everything that comes with that problem...The average Filipino really has no clue how shitty their county is getting every year unless they have worked or traveled overseas. And basically every overseas worker I've talked to is trying to get back overseas as fast as they can. It's pretty sad actually. Having just a Filipino passport is a really shitty prospect. I'll live temporarily here or visit but I'm glad I wasn't born here and forced to be a Filipino... That would suck!
This article is true. Be very wary foreigners.
@TanfromAustralia - Thanks for posting those articles. We are all familiar with the adage "nothing is further from the truth". This is the real reason for those filipinas vying to marry foreigners through mutual contacts, online means, "come hither" enticement in their malls or whatever...no matter how much they claim it is all real love. That said, it is also true what some filipinos have posted here that this type of filipinas are not held in high regard by their own, although this is the type foreign men mostly wind up with. So beware.
There are many of them living my community. I see families of husband and wife both young filipinos, living life like the rest of us. Nothing wrong with that. I see newly arrived 20-somethings with much older men in malls, he paying for her shopping. I have met single filipinas in their 40s and 50s with non-filipino last names claiming to have lived outside PH their whole lives or not from PH at all. One common trait is that although they work admin jobs on the average pay scale, they boast nice big houses and cars. Guess where all that came from. I have also met some who have lived here in the west some 40 years with their big extended family, still vying the caucasian men with good assets. It comes out in conversations over how much their live-in's property is worth, comparing notes. It is pretty scary what's in these people's minds come to think of it. Some things never change.
I hope those who filipinos who choose to stay in PH and care to rebuild their country will show the world something new. Some things are worth fighting for. Like one's own reputation and national pride.
While reading comments here my head hurts. There are a lot of PATHETIC RACISTS here. For me, Philippines is still beautiful with beautiful and warm people. To tell you what, the real issue here is YOU!!! You are SELF-CENTERED. I don't believe you're here shouting hate because you care for others, nah don't lie to me. You're here just to express yourself. And you're doing PATHETIC things. Why not help yourself be a better person and shut your mouth. What are you doing these days???
I can't blame this bloke to have this kind of mentality towards most Filo chicks. As a Filo girl like myself, these basic bitches make me sick to my stomach. I, for one is in a relationship with a Australian boy that is close to my AGE and I proved to him not all Filo girls are like that. Whenever he's out of cash, I bail him out, which is what I'm doing right now. It's just so annoying that these girls would rather take advantage of guys like you than to actually look for a decent job. I dunno, I feel that I work too much (16 hours a day) bur I need it to support us.
I am a Filipina. I am well-educated. I graduated with degree in a University and I am professional. My mother is a single parent and she raised me and my sister well. We may not be called rich but we can't be called poor. My mother works hard to raised us well and she depends on no one but God's grace to survive. She taught me and my sister good morals. She may have failed her marriage but she always tells us not to marry without love. We are taught to fear God since childhood. We are also taught by our elders that SEX is only for married couple. These are only few morals the we Filipinos are used to be taught by our elders.
I am raised in a city where clubs and pubs and social happenings exists. But still I managed to have good circle of friends and acquaintances. Believe it or not, I am 28 and single and I haven't been engaged in pre-marital sex. And my closest friends are also the same with me and they waited for marriage before engaging in sex. Engaging in premarital sex is one of our fear. Because we've been taught that it's wrong. Most of us Filipinos are taught the same way because it is part of our Filipino morals. What am I trying to say?? I wanted you all to know that we are not taught to marry foreigners just for money or sex. From childhood, we are taught to love and be loved. It is true that there are Filipinos who married for money and opportunities, but that doesn't mean that ALL Filipinos are like that. You don't know us. Where can you find a lot of women who believe that sex is reserved for marriage? Try to read surveys, and you'll find that a lot of Filipinas believe in that. Our morals may be corrupted by western influence, but we still have strong beliefs in LOVE, and that LOVE makes us Filipinas survive these dying world.
I have relatives and friends who are married to foreigners. But why didn't they have a failed marriage??? Why do you think so??? My cousin is married with an Irish man and they are living in Ireland now, but their three children were all born here before they decided to settle in Ireland. I've been friends with her husband when they were here and he is a very good man. He respects Filipinos and he tried to understand Filipino values and cultures. Their marriage is surviving because they are trying accept and love their differences. Before he marries my cousin who was hard to get and conservative, he really pursued her. He courts her and date her decently. He works hard and shows his sincerity towards her. His family back in Ireland respects my cousin and really wanted her to come to Ireland. I am talking about a story of good people here, that is why they deserves the happiness they have now.
My aunt is married to a Canadian for over 30 years. They love each other all these years and have raised their children with good morals. My Aunt have seven siblings here in the Philippines including my mother but we didn't ask her husband to bring us all to Canada where there are opportunities. We didn't even ask for money. My aunt's husband helped one of my uncle and managed to come to Canada and have his own family. All these years, we have the opportunity to come to Canada because we have close relatives there, but we didn't because we have our own life here in our country. The reason why my Aunt married uncle Marcos is because they love each other and that is why they managed to preserved their marriage.
My only sister who is a year younger than me went to Abudabi and has worked as Nurse for almost four years there. She happened to meet an American tourist and they fell in love each other. They planned to get married. Carlo went back to America and my sister finished her working contract in Abudabi. She went back home here in the Philippines and waited for her American fiancee to come in our country because they promised to get married in the Philippines. They had a great wedding. Carlo's parents didn't make it to come but his sister and her boyfriend came and also his two best friends and a close relative came on their wedding. They have a one year old daughter now and they are living and working in Abudabi now. They love each other and their marriage is not about money or green card or opportunities. And again, I am talking about a story of good people here.
I advise you, know who you're marrying with and marry for love and not for sex or money. Be a good person to others and others will be good to you too. A saying says "DO TO OTHERS WHAT YOU WANT OTHERS DO UNTO YOU". Want to meet good people? Then be a good one. Want to be treated fairly? Then be fair yourself. Want to be loved? Then love the right way. Don't want to be judged? Then don't judge. You don't want to die? Then don't kill in anyway..words can kill so you've probably killed someone here.
WHO marries for PENSION and WHO has PENSION?
---those WOMEN(Filipinas or not) who marries foreigners who are almost the same or older age as her father. Is it even reasonable for foreigners to marry a girl who can be called his daughter and is 20 years or more younger than him? That old man is sick!
---those WOMEN(Filipinas or not) who marries old men who are looking for companion or care giver. Those old men has their choice not to marry at their old age. But they choose to bring it to themselves. From the start, they know that their marriage is not about love. And if they die, they know that their pension will be given to their care giver/wife/companion. Then who has the right to question that old mans decision and who has the right to condemn and judge the woman who receives his pension?
WHO marries for MONEY?
---those who marries not for TRUE LOVE but for the love of money and opportunities. As far as I know, Filipinos aren't the only women who marries for money and opportunities. There are a lot out there who deceives for money and one way is to portray false LOVE. If you don't know how to love the right way, then you can be deceived.
Do not generalized Filipino women. There are a lot of good Filipino women out there. They are generally beautiful and a lot of foreign men get attracted to their charm and that makes the foreign women hate and envy them.---this is the fact. I bet most of the haters here are women.
WHO marries for PENSION and WHO has PENSION?
---those WOMEN(Filipinas or not) who marries foreigners who are almost the same or older age as her father. Is it even reasonable for foreigners to marry a girl who can be called his daughter and is 20 years or more younger than him? That old man is sick!
---those WOMEN(Filipinas or not) who marries old men who are looking for companion or care giver. Those old men has their choice not to marry at their old age. But they choose to bring it to themselves. From the start, they know that their marriage is not about love. And if they die, they know that their pension will be given to their care giver/wife/companion. Then who has the right to question that old mans decision and who has the right to condemn and judge the woman who receives his pension?
WHO marries for MONEY?
---those who marries not for TRUE LOVE but for the love of money and opportunities. As far as I know, Filipinos aren't the only women who marries for money and opportunities. There are a lot out there who deceives for money and one way is to portray false LOVE. If you don't know how to love the right way, then you can be deceived.
Do not generalized Filipino women. There are a lot of good Filipino women out there. They are generally beautiful and a lot of foreign men get attracted to their charm and that makes the foreign women hate and envy them.---this is the fact. I bet most of the haters here are women.
WHAT YOU PEOPLE OF PH GIVE TO THE WORLD YOU CANT TAKE IT BACK YOU ALL SHOW US IT ABOUT MONEY NOT LOVE SO MANY MEN END UP DEAD OR DRAIN FROM THEIR WEALTH,I KNOW OF PLENTY WOMEN FROM PH WHO COME TO MY COUNTRY MARRY OLD MEN WHY , THERE IS NO LOVE AND THIS THE REASON YOU PETITION THEIR TO FAMILY SECURE THEIR PROPERTIES IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THEM,LOVING YOU PEOPLE SO FAR FROM THAT, IT ABOUT COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER WHO CAN MARRY THE MAN WITH THE MOST MONEY AND WHO CAN DRIVE THE EXPENSIVE CARS
THIS BOARD IS ABOUT PH PEOPLE SO LEAVE OTHERS OUT YOU ALL MOUTH, SOMEONE HERE SAY SHE HAVE A DEGREE WHERE IS THE MORALS
@ProudFilipina:
You say that you have many relatives whom have married foreigners. Is this based upon a coincidental mutual suitability or upon a Darwinian natural selection?
What I am trying to say is that filipinas have an underlying economic motivation for marrying foreigners.
There are obvious reasons why filipinas choose not to marry their own filipino men.
Marrying foreign men for economic reasons is not going to fix the fundamental problems with your country.
But it takes a filipino person with a high IQ and inner strength to be able to grasp that and put it into effect.
@ProudFilipina and @WHOareYOU,
The Filipinas are always boasting about how family-oriented and supportive they are. But let me ask you something. When a filipina marries a foreign-born man, who comes first and who is more important in the marriage? Her family (parents, sibling, relatives) or her husband? If HIS parents need financial support, would the filipina wife help her husband support them like she supports HER family?
Of course you are correct, Halwick. There is always an underlying material benefit which motivates a filipina to marry certain men. To them, love is the least important consideration...
Filipinas are also always boasting about how religiously conservative they are, how they prefer to have sex after marriage only.
Well, the whole world knows the truth behind that myth, don't we?
If you're a wise and good man and you come to a country to find a wife, don't look for her in a pub, club or indecent places..you'll just find a trash. Find an educated and decent independent woman in good places and you'll find a good one.
Reading comments here makes me sick. What is wrong with you people? I am a Korean and many times I have came to the Philippines, I also learned English there. There are lot of good people there, and bad people too. But what country doesn't have bad people. We all have greedy nature and those who doesn't accept that fact is so pitiful. Those who only sees the bad things on others and doesn't even notice that they have more evil on them are those who needs good people to surround and advise them. Hey, try to consult a doctor because you need it or visit a church near you and listen to a preacher.
I had a crush on my former English teacher back in the Philippines and she's just six years older than me and I am so bold to tell her and show her that I like her. But she knows how to manage me without offending or hurting my feelings and I respect so much because she's a decent woman. Now I have a British English teacher here in our University and we tried to flirt on her and she flirts back and she's an expert. Now we only respect her for teaching us English but not as a good woman. Who would want a woman who is easy and knows how to play games? Now I can tell that Asian women are more decent than any women in the world.
These big mouth haters here, how many times have you been to the Philippines? How many Filipinos do you personal know? I know a lot of them. And even they don't have a lot of money, they have my respect because they've done nothing bad to me.
For years of my stay in the Philippines, I have seen white and black men and even asian men with Filipinas. You know what's wrong? Those foreign guys show off their money and used their money to be with those poor women and young girls. The thing is, these foreign guys went to the Philippines to demoralized poor Filipinas with their money. As a person and as a man, that is not a right thing to do. Just because they have money, they think they can do whatever they want in the Philippines. Who makes Filipinos see foreigners as money? It's those arrogant men's fault. They are the ones to be blame. They are the one's who keep coming to the Philippines and keep showing their money.
If you buy a woman's heart with money, that woman won't love you but your money. If a man allows a woman to ask him money and everything, does that mean he was forced to do it? No, that man has a choice not to give money. If a woman becomes after money, it's not just because she is bad and user, it is also because of that man who always pays money to get what he wants, it means they are both user. And in no way they can find love like that. They will just end up as both bad persons.
It is true that there are a lot of prostitutes in the Philippines, they think it's their only choice because they are poor and it makes my heart breaks seeing them like that. I've talked to them and tried to know where they came from and it makes me understand them, not because I am saying it is ok to be like that, but because even though they are prostitutes they still have hope that one day their life would change. And it is right to hope like that. No one has the right to judge them for who they are. It isn't their fault that they are born poor but it would be their fault if they die poor. So I would never agree to those people who keeps saying that Filipinos are user, NO..it is because there are a lot of people who allows themselves to be used because they are used to do the same. I would rather call those foreign guys the USERS who keep coming to the Philippines for sex and prostitution. Filipinos don't bring it to them, it just keeps coming to them and because they have to live and think it would help them change their lives someday, they just grab hold and used that opportunity that these foreign men are offering.
Hey haters, you don't know what you're saying. Go to the Philippines and you'll see what you do not know. Try seeing what those foreigners are doing in the Philippines. BAD things happens to BAD people. Those stories that you've make-up about your friends who are being used by Filipinas, I don't think they are ignorant and innocent. Just tell them to find love the right way and not the TRIAL and ERROR thing. If I were you, I would rather shut my mouth and mind my own life because that mouth might and would kill you someday.
TALLY/HALWICK/TANFROMAUSTRALIA
Are you saying that because Philippines has poor economy, gives us no right to marry foreigners? Who do you think you are? I am making a big mistake talking to people like you. You are no better than anybody. You are here telling/warning your race about Filipinos and you think you are on your right mind and position to do this? You are making me laugh and I almost pass out laughing!!! You people think that your the wise and strong ones of your race and that you think better than the others of your race. And that if you don't do this, your race would be in danger. What??? Are your race dumb and foolish and are not on their own minds??? Are you their superheros and they need you to save them because they are weak??? WOW what a SAVIOUR YOU are!!! And your race really needs you!!! And they are asking YOU people to save them from EVIL ones!!! YOU are SICK PEOPLE!!! You're just making your so called RACE pitiful by doing these!!! Did they ask YOU to make them pitiful??? Nah, you're just doing this out of your foolishness and YOU PEOPLE really needs help ASAP!!! If you didn't get help now, there would be no last chance for you. Ahh, I think you need some real love. You are like that because NO ONE has showed you TRUE LOVE. If you don't change the way you are right now, I'm afraid you'll die without knowing to love and be loved. PITIFUL :(((
@ProudFilipina:
I am saying that you marry foreigners because you are poor. I am not saying that you can't do it. I just see it as prostitution, but everyone is entitled to have a different perspective. You can call it whatever else you want to call it.
Tan also marry an australian because he is poor and hopeless hahahahah… All asians who marry foreigners are poor =D
i read the comments but not all cause theyre too many haha but anyway i think all those negative feedbacks about marrying a filipina is funny and fairly predictable. I have maids in and out of the house and they secretly use our study room's computer to go on yahoo chat and talk to pedophiles who want to see their boobs. so basically you married either of my maids or someone's maird or some hillbilly. :) im a filipina I come from a very stable family. and i find foreigners very charming but if marrying a foreign guy and living in his country means doing the laundry, mopping the floor, washing the dishes, cleaning the toilet and whatever household things, then ill pass hahaha. but good luck finding a girl who can do those things for you tho :p
@ProudFilipina,
Had to laugh at your rantings and ravings. And this is how a "loving filipina" has dialogue?
So you admit that Filipinas marry foreign men for money and there is no shame in deceiving and taking advantage of them for personal gain to support her family.
LIKE I SAY WHAT YOU PEOPLE GIVE THE WORLD YOU ALL JUST CANT TAKE IT BACK, so don't blame us you people have yourselves to blame, we only speak of things we have seen.
well the royal families used to marry their own relatives to keep the power within the family. so should i start calling everyone from UK incest? and cause of that sort of marriage theyre most famous example of a genetic disorder, so i should start calling everyone in UK disabled too, right?
haahhahaha that's bullshit
it really strange, those women refuse to marry men from their country, but they willing to marry western me even if they are serial killers just for papers,where is you people morals then they blaming us because we speak up about what going on, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY STAY THE HELL OUT MY COUNTRY LET US BE STAY IN YOUR WITH ALL THE SHIT
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@tally
I dont think they'd marry serial killers... just saying
Do you people have no shame, what you give to the world you cant take back so dont blame us, you people show us what you all about no face, no shame,dam gold digger scam artist so that how we see you people because you show us.
@Purple i say even if they serial killers.and like wise the western men marry this woman without find out who they really are.
my family have been disgusted by this whore who had a long term affair with our loved one and made him dehydrate and starve his demented wife..he has what he wants now and shes filthy
from the east , west north and south see Filipinas as con artist, if you people want to be honest take a break and look a round even the people who you all work with stand off because they don't trust you people all they see is this fake laugh, pity party crap,man trust me i taught the Nigerians was real scam artist but the Filipinas out do them
i pledge my life to make sure every Filipinas go back to their country ass out mines , i don't give a rats ass what you people come here to say get out go back where you come from with all the nasty filthy shit we have our own problem to deal with go home deal with you all own
@Purple noting that was written here is lies some of the stuff is from families who was left without hope because of you people many here speak from seeing friends suffer after marry your people, i speak of what i see and know, when i was told this i was shock so what i did was make it my business to really see for myself, it true every thing that was or still saying is true.i was told by business associate's how women from ph think they stupid , i see your people in action , i have a cousin who is a lawyer i saw with my own eyes this woman from your country try everything she could just to get his attention she could cook and take it to his office and he turn it back when that didn't work she start doing other stuff until he run her and tell her don't ever show up at his office no more and guess how that start he saw her and used to say good morning that all.
yes Filipinas is very religious but that don't mean they really know god yes they know of god but do they portray the things of god no
i have friends who live next doors to your people and they are nothing much a bunch of disgrace.
@tally
im not saying someone's lying. but you just cant label a filipina for what the other filipina did. that's childish. you western people are good at doing that,just like how you label the muslims. just because of the al qaeda or whatever you then start labeling all muslims terrorists.
you have a stupid reasoning. I have dated a foreign guy before and he was sloppy and a coach potato but that doesnt give me any right to think that everyone from his country is an asshole.
Maybe some filipina women were using those unfortunate men as a ticket to go to another country and maybe some were using them for money or other materialistic needs. BUT AGAIN YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to do that. stop being stereotypical. its lame.
I am a filipina. And it hurts me to hear about such bad comments. Its bad to stereotype. And its not even true. Now come to think of it. You seem like a hurt and broken hearted puppy. It's just so pathetic. If filipinas are that bad, how come lots of foreigners are still falling for them? How come lots of foreigners are still visiting our country? how come you americans are hiring filipinos as call center agents and doing outsourcing? how come americans even migrate here in the philippines? Its because filipinos are born kind, sweet, thoughtful, caring and very hospitable. To be honest, Ive met an american guy and he's dating my friend. And he's such an asshole he left my friend and even stole her car! See?
If you wanna be smart, don't fall for any type of girl who is just out for money. You could see telltale signs!
Just be smart. Not just filipinas, even chinese, mexicans or lebanese or whatever nationality.
You just sounded like a racist to me. I think you're ugly .
Hahaha.
I challenge you. You won't find a girl who's as smart,loving, caring, thoughtful and sweet and sexy as filipinas. Trust me.
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do you want to know the truth why most american living in your country it cheaper for business and they don't have to pay tax fools.
I JUST DON'T CARE WHAT YOU PEOPLE SAY SHAMELESS PEOPLE GET OUT MY COUNTRY WE DON'T NEED YOUR PROBLEM STAY THE HELL IN YOUR COUNTRY, WHAT SO HARD FOR YOU PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO WELCOME MAT SO PLEASE GO WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND STOP BOTHERING US.
@tally
you do know that made u sound like a pathetic and poor man,right? hahahah
IF MY COUNTRY WOMEN GOES TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND DOING SHIT I WOULD WRITE AND HELP BRING THEIR ASS HOME AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG BUT YOU PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, PURPLE YOU THINK SO PLEASE STUPID WOMAN
@tally
awww here, take a chill pill :)
and can you tell me who exactly are you? I mean what good have you done to your country to tell other people who is and who is not welcome to go to your country?
Do you have any allodial title to show me that you own the whole country? just you? I doubt that. so as long as you do not own the country, alone. you cannot boss anyone.
CHANGE WILL NEVER COME TO YOU PEOPLE UNTIL YOU EXCEPT THE FACT THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE DOING IS WRONG AND CHANGE, BUT HOW IT GOING TO BE RIGHT WHEN YOU WAS TAUGHT TO FIND RICHES BY CHEATING LIES SCAM TO GET THINGS, WHAT ABOUT THE OLD FASHION HARD WORK AND BE A GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE PERSON THAT BRING CHANGE HOES
AM DOING MY COUNTRY GOOD BY WORKING HARD AND MAKE SURE KEEP YOU ALL DISHONEST PEOPLE OUT, YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS RUNNING FROM THE PROBLEM YOU ALL CREATED AND BRING THE DAM MESS FOR OTHER PEOPLE , WE DON'T NEED IT AND LIKE I SAY I WILL STOP AT NOTHING UNTIL WE WEED YOU PEOPLE OUT
MY FATHER, GRANDFATHER GREAT GRAND FATHER WORKED TOO DAM HARD TO BRING FROM 0 TO SOMETHING AND I JUST SIT BACK WATCH YOU ALL CLOWN COME IN AND CHEAT YOU ALL WAY HELL NO IT MY COUNTRY AND I WILL FIGHT TO THE END TO SEE YOU PEOPLE OUT
@tally
pleaasee... and you think you know what's right? hhahahhahahaha
Since when was RACISM right? Since when was Foredeeming right? even a 4 yr old knows that it's not right to judge a person
Are u even educated?
Cause if you were you'd know that it's easy as ABC..
A and B are two different letters but theyre both from the alphabet. you cant say A is the same as B just cause letter A is in the alphabet, that's stupid. A will never be the same as B. nor B will be to C. they're diffrent bu theyre all in the alphabet..
Filipinas are filipinas but they're not all the same, you stupid boy. so is everyone in every country. heck, no one's alike. so open your eyes close your mouth and go back to kindergaten
PURPLE OK YOU WILL SEE,YOU THINK AM PLAYING TRUST ME , YOU ALL WILL SEE
I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU PEOPLE GO JUST STAY THE HELL OUT IT MY COUNTRY I CANT RUN AWAY TO OTHER PEOPLE PLACE, THIS WHAT I KNOW AS HOME AND IT ALWAYS BE HOME SO PISS ON YOU GO FIX YOUR DAM COUNTRY.WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
Yes, i hope to see you in some kindergaten soon togethr wth a bunch of bright young kids :)
oh I completely understand you. and I love fixing things. Can i help u fix your brain too?
IT NOT ABOUT HATE IT A ABOUT THE SHITS YOU PEOPLE DOING AND THINK WE MUST CALL IT PEANUT BUTTER NO I WILL WORK MY ASS OFF UNTIL I GET ALL THE HOES AND PIMPS OUT WE DON'T NEED NO ONE SMUGGLING MORE OF YOU ALL HERE SO THAT WHY WE WORKING SO HARD WITH IMMIGRATION TO KEEP YOU PEOPLE OUT WHY IT SO HARD FOR YOU PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND
YOU THINK AM NOT EDUCATED YES I AM AND I ALSO HAVE THE THING YOU CALL MORALS WHICH YOU PEOPLE DON'T HAVE.
it's not about hate.. not at all? then why dont you get a fucking life or buy one out of your stupid "I-worked-hard-for-this-money" cause i think you need one.
if you had a life you wouldnt want to spend it all in getting foreign people out of your country. cause that wont ever happen. hahahaha and it's pathetic.
you should get a hobby
@tally
hhahah well hate to break it to you,but we actually do. and we do have a brain too. which i think you dont have. :(
IT MY COUNTRY,WHERE IS YOURS? NOT FOREIGN S YOU PEOPLE WITH ALL THE NASTY CON ARTIST WAYS,MY HOBBY IT TO SEND YOU PEOPLE BACK, IT MY HOME AND I WILL STAND YOU CANT STOP ME FROM DOING THE RIGHT THING, WHY CANT YOU DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY AND TRY BUILD IT UP
I CANT RUN LEAVE MY COUNTRY IT HOME IT WHAT I KNOW MY FAMILY WORK TOO HARD, IF I SEE A GROUP OF CON ARTIST COMING IN WHAT YOU PEOPLE EXPECT ME TO DO SOUND THE ALARM RALLY THE ARMY AND LET WORK TO SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM
@tally
your country's doomed all cause of you and your fairytale.
you see, dear. you need tourists in your country. if youre not dumb, you'll figure that out why and im defending my country, is it not obvious enough?
WE LOVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE A VERY HONEST LIFE BY WORKING HARD NOT LUSTING AFTER AND TRY CON THEIR WAY TO SEE IF THEY CAN USE THEIR BODY TO STEAL FROM PEOPLE.WE HAVE SO MANY WOMEN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHO WORKING SO HARD AND BE A VERY GOOD PRODUCTIVE PEOPLE NEVER ONE DAY I HEAR A CRY ABOUT THEM , BUT HERE COME THE ONES THEM WHO THINK THEY ARE THE SMARTEST OF ALL TRYING TO CON THEIR WAY, SORRY BITCHES WE FIND OUT.
THE NEWS DONE SPREAD, EVERYONE EYES IS OPEN, NO MORE TRICKS HOES AND PIMPS SO CURSE ME ALL YOU WANT IT MY COUNTRY I DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND JUST.
I NEVER SEE NOTHING LIKE THIS IN MY LIFE I DEFENDING MY COUNTRY THEY CURSING ME BECAUSE I STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT , JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW LITTLE MORALS YOU PEOPLE FROM PH HAVE AND THINK NOTHING OF YOUR COUNTRY, I DON'T KNOW NO OTHER WAY TO SPELL IT OUT I LOVE MY COUNTRY THAT ALL I HAVE AS HOME I CANNOT RUN I HAVE TO MAKE WHAT IS WRONG RIGHT, I HAVE TO PRESERVE MY KIDS FUTURE.
@purple YOU SO SMART WOW, WHAT WRONG WITH ME CALLING OUT YOU PEOPLE FOR THE WRONG YOU ALL DOING, WHAT BUSINESS YOUR PEOPLE BRING TO MY COUNTRY,WE DON'T NEED PROSTITUTION IN HERE NO CON ARTIST NO SCAM ARTIST, I SAY IT BEFORE, AM GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN SO YOU GET IT, AM FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE NO MORE FAKE MARRIAGES NO PRETENDING TO BE GOOD MAIDS, WHEN ALL ALONG TRYING TO BED WITH WOMEN THEM HUSBAND, THE THING I FIND REALLY STRANGE THEY DON'T CLEAN THEIR OWN HOMES
Hello haters/Tally/TanfromAustralia/New haters here/Who ever you are
YOU are so funny! Hey guys, I am imagining how ugly you are. Know how I know it? Because you have bad heart and bad thoughts and bad judgments..so your aura is so dark and it makes you so ugly :p
Is your life even worth it to pledge for this??? Nah, how much is your life??? You don't even know what you're saying Tally. You can't even save your own soul, then how can you pledge your life for this??? What is the worth of your life??? Do you know it??? You are giving your life for nothing because this all about yourself!!! Who told you to do this??? When you die, will your so called race cry for you??? Will they even remember you??? Can your life save your race??? NO, no one will ever remember you, there's nothing you can save for doing this pathetic things!!! People may even hate you and then forget you. Others may even laugh at you and then forget you. Your race may even despise and then forget you. Then still the world revolves as it is and people will live the way they want to live their lives. So tell me, WHO ARE YOU PLEDGING YOUR LIFE??? If you can tell me where you're going after death, then your life is worth it. But no, you don't know anything after death. Even if you're a believer of heaven and hell or even if you don't even believe in God, still you can't just ignore the fact that you don't buy for your own life and it was just given to you. Do you think just because it is given free, you can just do whatever you want with that life? Haven't you think that one day, the one that gave you your life will ask you to pay for it? When do you think it will be? When will you die? Of course you don't know anything about your life that your so proud of. I don't know if you believe in eternity, but I do believe in it. Your soul will pay for what you did in your life on earth. This is true. Know why I know it? Simple, there is reason for everything. All things work altogether. What do you think is the purpose of your soul/spirit? The body decays but how about your soul? Answer me. They say we must fear things that we cannot see with our human eyes but can be felt by our soul. YOU are doing these kind of foolishness and even pledge it for your life, yet you don't even know and care about your own soul. Save your soul first and then save other's lives, if you can do it, then your life is worth it.
Filipinas marrying foreigners because they are poor, blah blah blah.. POOR, what is poor? Even you have a lot of money you may even be considered as poor. Poor in heart, poor in understanding, poor health, poor in spirit, poor in happiness..and you can't even buy these with money. Money isn't the only only thing that makes people poor. I can call a country poor if they are dying because of immorality. I can call a person poor if he's dying in sickness and his money can't do anything. I can call you poor if you're never happy even you have every material things because you are selfish. I can call anyone poor who doesn't even know how to understand and feel the need of many who are suffering because they think they will never need others to live.
We Filipinos are not poor. We may have poor economy but we are still rich in values. Try reading TRUE articles about the richness of the people of the Philippines. The people around the world see Filipinos as good people. I can still remember what a Norwegian friend told me, that their family wants Filipino to work for them and be a part of their family. They want their children to learn Filipino values and morals. And she is so proud that most Norwegian wants Filipino helper because they can trust them and they are hard working. What am I trying to say? Filipinos are all over the world because we are working and they need/demand for us. We are not ashamed that most of us are domestic helper, because we have to live for our family. We are hard working and we deserve respect for that. When you go to UAE, they prefer Filipinos than other nationalities because Filipinos are known for excellent work and can be trusted. When you go to Saudi, they prefer Filipino laborers because Filipinos are known for being smart and wise and easy to teach. When you go to Europe, you'll know that European can't live their everyday lives without the help of Filipinos who serves them. We Filipinos are proud even though we are just servants of the rich people. If all people are rich, who would serve them? We may be servant but we won't allow anyone to disrespect us just because we are poor. Everyone needs somebody to live. And whatever happens, we Filipinos will survive wherever we are because we are strong and no can ever hold us down. It is obvious that we Filipinos are wise and intelligent in nature. If it so happens that we are the RICH and have all the highest education, WE may be the ones that REIGN and RUN the WORLD..just saying :D So don't push or pressure us to give the most of our potential..YOU may wake up someday that you're bowing your heads to us Filipinos. Remember, the world is round, maybe those that are on top now will someday see themselves at the bottom. Who knows???
I am a proud Filipina. We are known as sweet and loving and caring in nature. Our family is our number one priority. We think of our family first before ourselves. If we love someone, we fight for that love. We are also known for courage and strength. We are fighters. We never accept defeat. We are not afraid of anything. So be very careful of what you're saying about Filipinos. We will never let you off. You may see our weakness as being poor but you don't know our strength. So SHUT UP and HAVE A LIFE haters!!! Filipinos, HEADS UP!!!
Hello haters/Tally/TanfromAustralia/New haters here/Who ever you are
YOU are so funny! Hey guys, I am imagining how ugly you are. Know how I know it? Because you have bad heart and bad thoughts and bad judgments..so your aura is so dark and it makes you so ugly :p
Is your life even worth it to pledge for this??? Nah, how much is your life??? You don't even know what you're saying Tally. You can't even save your own soul, then how can you pledge your life for this??? What is the worth of your life??? Do you know it??? You are giving your life for nothing because this all about yourself!!! Who told you to do this??? When you die, will your so called race cry for you??? Will they even remember you??? Can your life save your race??? NO, no one will ever remember you, there's nothing you can save for doing this pathetic things!!! People may even hate you and then forget you. Others may even laugh at you and then forget you. Your race may even despise and then forget you. Then still the world revolves as it is and people will live the way they want to live their lives. So tell me, WHO ARE YOU PLEDGING YOUR LIFE??? If you can tell me where you're going after death, then your life is worth it. But no, you don't know anything after death. Even if you're a believer of heaven and hell or even if you don't even believe in God, still you can't just ignore the fact that you don't buy for your own life and it was just given to you. Do you think just because it is given free, you can just do whatever you want with that life? Haven't you think that one day, the one that gave you your life will ask you to pay for it? When do you think it will be? When will you die? Of course you don't know anything about your life that your so proud of. I don't know if you believe in eternity, but I do believe in it. Your soul will pay for what you did in your life on earth. This is true. Know why I know it? Simple, there is reason for everything. All things work altogether. What do you think is the purpose of your soul/spirit? The body decays but how about your soul? Answer me. They say we must fear things that we cannot see with our human eyes but can be felt by our soul. YOU are doing these kind of foolishness and even pledge it for your life, yet you don't even know and care about your own soul. Save your soul first and then save other's lives, if you can do it, then your life is worth it.
Filipinas marrying foreigners because they are poor, blah blah blah.. POOR, what is poor? Even you have a lot of money you may even be considered as poor. Poor in heart, poor in understanding, poor health, poor in spirit, poor in happiness..and you can't even buy these with money. Money isn't the only only thing that makes people poor. I can call a country poor if they are dying because of immorality. I can call a person poor if he's dying in sickness and his money can't do anything. I can call you poor if you're never happy even you have every material things because you are selfish. I can call anyone poor who doesn't even know how to understand and feel the need of many who are suffering because they think they will never need others to live.
We Filipinos are not poor. We may have poor economy but we are still rich in values. Try reading TRUE articles about the richness of the people of the Philippines. The people around the world see Filipinos as good people. I can still remember what a Norwegian friend told me, that their family wants Filipino to work for them and be a part of their family. They want their children to learn Filipino values and morals. And she is so proud that most Norwegian wants Filipino helper because they can trust them and they are hard working. What am I trying to say? Filipinos are all over the world because we are working and they need/demand for us. We are not ashamed that most of us are domestic helper, because we have to live for our family. We are hard working and we deserve respect for that. When you go to UAE, they prefer Filipinos than other nationalities because Filipinos are known for excellent work and can be trusted. When you go to Saudi, they prefer Filipino laborers because Filipinos are known for being smart and wise and easy to teach. When you go to Europe, you'll know that European can't live their everyday lives without the help of Filipinos who serves them. We Filipinos are proud even though we are just servants of the rich people. If all people are rich, who would serve them? We may be servant but we won't allow anyone to disrespect us just because we are poor. Everyone needs somebody to live. And whatever happens, we Filipinos will survive wherever we are because we are strong and no can ever hold us down. It is obvious that we Filipinos are wise and intelligent in nature. If it so happens that we are the RICH and have all the highest education, WE may be the ones that REIGN and RUN the WORLD..just saying :D So don't push or pressure us to give the most of our potential..YOU may wake up someday that you're bowing your heads to us Filipinos. Remember, the world is round, maybe those that are on top now will someday see themselves at the bottom. Who knows???
I am a proud Filipina. We are known as sweet and loving and caring in nature. Our family is our number one priority. We think of our family first before ourselves. If we love someone, we fight for that love. We are also known for courage and strength. We are fighters. We never accept defeat. We are not afraid of anything. So be very careful of what you're saying about Filipinos. We will never let you off. You may see our weakness as being poor but you don't know our strength. So SHUT UP and HAVE A LIFE haters!!! Filipinos, HEADS UP!!!
AM THE BAD GUY AND I WILL STAY THAT WAY UNTIL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND , YOU CANNOT SCAM YOUR WAY IN LIFE AND THINK EVERY BODY SHOULD PUT THE WELCOME MATS OUT.TOO MANY FAMILIES HURTING BECAUSE IF YOU ALL AND I WILL DAM IF I ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT I LOVE MY COUNTRY AM DEFENDING MY COUNTY HOW YOU FEEL IT YOUR BUSINESS THAT THE BOTTOM LINE EXPLAINING TO ME DON'T CHANGE SHIT UNTIL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT NOT A PLACE FOR THE MESS
I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND MY PEOPLE LIKE HOW YOU PEOPLE LOVE YOU ALL FAMILY SO WHAT THE PROBLEM.
Tally
Is this all you can do??? Poor tally :(((
Tally
Is this all you can do??? Poor tally :(((
YOU PEOPLE REALLY HAVE NO SHAME
AM SO HAPPY THAT THE MINISTER WHO IN CHARGE OF IMMIGRATION TAKEN THIS SERIOUS.I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR SHITS RIGHT IS RIGHT WRONG IT WRONG.
I UNDERSTAND why your so NOISY Tally. Because YOU are EMPTY. YOU are just like and empty container, when hit makes a loud irritating and useless sound. But there is still HOPE for you, you can still be recycled and be of good use. You can be recycled as a mere decoration (at least people could appreciate you) or you can can just be filled with useful things. Have a life TALLY. Hating because you said you LOVE? Nah, wrong way of loving will just end up a failure and you'll just hurt yourself more and you'll just hate more and you'll just die without LOVE. So SAVE yourself. I understand where you are coming from. But you always have a choice. So choose to be happy and live with love and not hate. Good luck!
WOW I CANT EVEN SAVE MY OWN SOUL, WOW PEOPLE PEOPLE AM SO SORRY IF THE TRUTH HURTS BUT I MUST DO WHAT IT TAKE TO STOP ALL THE MESS.YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ME YOU HAVE NO IDEAL WHO I AM SO DON'T TELL ME I CANT , I WILL, THE POWERS IS IN MY HANDS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.IF YOU NOTICES I NEVER CALL NO ONE POOR, ALL AM SAYING STAY OUT WITH THE MESS AND I WILL MAKE SURE IT DONE
I UNDERSTAND why your so NOISY Tally. Because YOU are EMPTY. YOU are just like and empty container, when hit makes a loud irritating and useless sound. But there is still HOPE for you, you can still be recycled and be of good use. You can be recycled as a mere decoration (at least people could appreciate you) or you can can just be filled with useful things. Have a life TALLY. Hating because you said you LOVE? Nah, wrong way of loving will just end up a failure and you'll just hurt yourself more and you'll just hate more and you'll just die without LOVE. So SAVE yourself. I understand where you are coming from. But you always have a choice. So choose to be happy and live with love and not hate. Good luck!
"AM THE ---}BAD{--- GUY AND I WILL STAY THAT WAY UNTIL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND "
bingo.
bad and good
right and wrong
dnt fool urself, know the difference.
seriously. grow up.
SORRY HOE I DONT HAVE TIME TO WASTE WITH YOU.OH SHE CRYING THE TRUTH HURTS COME WITH SOMETHING BETTER.IT IS WHAT IT IS GO FIX YOUR COUNTRY PROBLEM DON'T BRING IT TO US, WE CANT FIX YOU PEOPLE, WE HAVE OUR OWE TO FIX ASS.YOU EMPTY IF NOT THEN YOU WOULD TRY SCAM YOUR WAY IN PEOPLE LIFE.HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, GUILTY GUILTY, YOU CANT FIGHT ME, YOU HAVE NO GROUNDS I HAVE THE RIGHTS TO KICK YOU ALL WHORING ASS OUT
THE WORLD SEE YOU PEOPLE AS HOES CON ARTIST SO DON'T GET MAD BECAUSE AM FIGHTING TO KICK YOU ALL ASS OUT
What power do you have TALLY? Tell me..WHAT CAN YOU REALLY DO?
I will tell you what you are doing. --YOU are trying hard to express your own opinion and HOPING that your so called RACE will hear you and follow your advise. YOU think you can dictate what life they must walk. YOU think you van tell them NOT TO and they'll will listen. YOU think you have the power to INFLUENCE them. BUT YOU are so WRONG...I am telling YOU, people will live the way they want to live their lives and won't care about others opinion or thoughts. People like you who thinks they can do something to change how the WORLD is running will just end in BIG DISAPPOINTMENT. You just need to accept and understand the fact that YOU cannot dictate freewill. Just like you, who can tell you to stop this? Of course you will just do what you want to do---just like what others is like. Unless you choose to stop, who can stop you? Just do what you want to do, but ask yourself if it's worth it and what would it makes YOU?
AM SO HAPPY THAT OUR LAWS IF DIFFERENT WHEN IT COME DOWN TO MARRIAGE AND PROPERTIES,MARRY BITCHES YOU ALL WILL NEVER SEE A PAPERS YOU ALL WILL BE WAITING FOR 10 YEARS AND MORE GO BACK YOU ALL CANT GET THEM PEOPLE PROPERTY OR A USA VISA TO RUN LEAVE THE MAN SORRY BITCHES THING CHANGE, THAT SOMETHING WHAT ONE PERSON CAN DO.
YOU GUILTY OF SOMETHING? WHAT YOU SO WORRY ABOUT MY COUNTRY AND WHAT AM DOING , YOU SHOULD BE CONCERN ABOUT BUILDING YOURS TOO AND STAND UP FOR THE ROTTEN NASTY OUTRAGEOUS THING YOUR PEOPLE DOING , I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP GO HELP YOUR COUNTRY.
@ProudFilipina I WILL DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO I ALREADY OPENS MANY PEOPLE EYES.
LAWS of your MARRIAGE? MAN MADE LAWS, MADE MEN LOST!!! Why do you think despite of the strong marriage laws of America and other 1st world countries, they still have the highest rate of failed marriages and broken families??? It's not because of Filipinos, it is all because their PRIDE!!! PRIDE and MONEY is the root of all EVIL. And evil will bring people to damnation!!! HUMBLE yourselves and you'll be LIFTED UP.
MONEY isn't power. IT is the chain that holds people and make them a slave. IT will dictate their lives. IT brings them more evil and will never make them happy or satisfied. Money makes people forget about GOD and makes themselves god. Mankind chose to have their own power because they don't want to be equal with another. Everyone wants to be god and superior to others, and that what makes our world like this now.
Hear yourself Tally and the others here, you are one that makes the world worst. You are no better than those you called Filipino hoes and cons. You are evil in your own way. You hate us because we don't have shame? But who are you for us to be ashamed of??? You are not the one who gave life to us. YOU are no life giver and you have no right to tell us to get lost and YOU are no one to tell us that we don't deserve to live the way we want to live our lives. YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC PEOPLE THAT THE MAKES THE WORLD ROT AND HOPELESS. :(((
WHY YOU SO UPSET ABOUT WHAT AM DOING IN MY COUNTRY, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IT A BOTHER TO YOU.
You are doing nothing for your country but you are ruining the names of Filipinos. You know a little about us but you talk as if you know all things about us. You don't even know what Americans and rich foreigners are doing in my country but still you keeps on saying bad things about us. You are just making yourself pitiful. Just like what I've said earlier, you're just like an empty container, you're just making a useless sound and is irritating.
Tally if you're not yet married or have a love life now, why not find one??? I think you lack love that is why you keeps saying bad things to others. Have you been hurt before??? Ahh, know what you're not the only one who've been hurt because they love. Others chose the same way as you and they keeps on hating but others chose to move on and find love again.
My American friend is beside me right now. I told her to read your post and she was reading one of your post here when she just stopped and said "sick!", she faced me and said "Hey stop wasting your time with that kind of people, they are not worth your time!" So I am saying goodbye now! Good luck! I wish you happiness and peace :)
save the drama for your mama it is what it is mad all you want you can change me from doing the right thing so piss on you hoe
it should be cant change, you so fool getting all mad because am speaking out well guess what the next step will be a march.
I HOPE SHE DON'T HAVE A HUSBAND BECAUSE SHE WILL BE SORRY,
Oh please can anyone here give some piece of their brain to tally? Poor boy cannot even understand what the Filipinos here are trying to explain to him. If you are fighting for your holy country, so we are. We are also defending our country and our people from evil like you. I feel sorry for you, I will now start praying for your poor soul.
TALLY a.k.a. BIRD BRAIN :p
Go have some counseling before it's too late. I have a lot of foreigner friends and some are Americans. Then why are they saying that people like you are sick? They love the Philippines and they respect Filipinos. Some are even in love with Pinays. Are you envious of the Pinay's beauty? Because anywhere we go, they say our beauty are exceptional. :p
TALLY a.k.a. BIRD BRAIN :p
Go have some counseling before it's too late. I have a lot of foreigner friends and some are Americans. Then why are they saying that people like you are sick? They love the Philippines and they respect Filipinos. Some are even in love with Pinays. Are you envious of the Pinay's beauty? Because anywhere we go, they say our beauty is exceptional. :p
huh WHAT YOU ALL GUILTY OF SOMETHING THIS WHY YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO ANSWER WITH STUPID REMARKS
shut up hoes and go clean up your country, am cleaning mines from you nasty, cruel, man killers.
you know what would be so good if they would fight to clean up their nasty habits and their country like how they come here to fight us because the truth hurt, maybe i would visit as a tourist
@ProudFilipina:
I know that you don't truly believe any of the words you have written, otherwise you would be delusional.
Prostitution is do ingrained in your culture that even you have prostituted yourself in this thread. By that, I mean you have sold out the truth for a petty indefensible argument.
Filipinas don't go to wealthy countries like Hong Kong or UAE to work as domestic helpers because they like helping people. If that were the case, why aren't they flocking to poor countries like Africa? Rather, they moonlight as "domestic helpers" in rich countries because they want to fuck their way into a better life.
The way you filipinas see yourselves is vastly different to the way the rest of the world sees you. Filipinas are the most desperate, ignoble women on Earth. They make other Asian women look bad by a similarity in appearance.
Filipinas are beggars when it comes to relationships with men. Men prefer you because you are way too easy and accommodating, not because there is some inherent appeal to you.
So you are Tan, desperate, hopeless, gook Vietnamese who marry an Australian so he can hide his face from the rest of the world. You can run, you can hide but you cannot erase the truth that you came also from a poor country with lot of mafias, prostitutes, gold diggers, scammers... Why don't you help your country instead? Yes you are lawyer, a desperate lawyer!!
If you have a reasonable size Vietnamese population in your home country, then you are probably being dragged into a well organised immigration scam aimed at getting the cream of Vietnam’s working girls into the west where they can make a considerably better income for their families with the added bonus of fleecing you of your life savings in the process. I very much believe these scams exist & that is what happened to me.
Many Vietnamese people are extremely racist. They do not like westerners. In fact, many despise us, but all love our money. When they smile at you or befriend you, they are angling for money & that is all. They do not like you really. When they laugh with you, they are probably laughing at you & the fact they are deceiving you so well. They are deceiving you all the time & hence are always laughing.
Entire families are aware and fully approve of any scam on Westerners. Mothers & fathers work with their children to pull off scams and this behavior is part of what the hoa hao feel is their birthright and feelings of guilt are almost non-existent. They actually hate Americans even though you’ll find a different version on the internet. The Hoa Hao woman all call each other sister even when there is no relation. They all call themselves soldiers and group together to commit crimes. Their vow of silence is astonishing, all of them take their secrets and methods with them to their grave which is why knowledge of who they truly are has been a secret until now. They actually use advanced technology to cleverly communicate. They send messages to each other by passing encryption keys through HTML5 embedded videos and images that are used to unlock other encrypted secret messages hidden in help files or image code within public video websites that the Hoa Hao know where to look in order to keep checking for new messages. The Vietnamese government has a very hard time combatting this method of communication.
@TanfromAustralia those people are so clueless all they can think about is money.
NO MORE WOLF IS SHEEP CLOTHING,I HAVE PULL OF THE WOOL AND EXPOSE THE DAM KILLERS,REMEMBER THEY SLOW POISON THE MEN UNTIL THEY FALL SICK AND NEVER RECOVER,so they can get everything that poor man worked for all their life.
@ProudFilipina,
You didn't answer my question re who comes first. Instead you went on a temper tantrum. Are you afraid of admiting the truth?
THEY THINK THEY WAS SMART TRYING TO MARRY FOR PAPERS WELL WE HAVE INFORM IMMIGRATION MINISTER AND EVERY LAST PAPERS WILL BE LOOK AT SO IT BETTER YOU RUN HOME, YOU CAN IMAGINE A 23 YEAR OLD MARRY A 60 YEAR OLD MAN WHAT THEY REALLY THINK IMMIGRATION FOOL NO PAPERS HOES
@HUH?:
Those things you post pertain to your country more than any other. You are looking at yourself directly in the mirror.
Do you not get it? its simple, really.
everyone is different. PERIOD
you cant conclude that FILIPINAS are prostitute just cause 5 or 10 or whatever worked as one. besides other people from other countries work as a stripper or hooker or prostitute too.
you cannot conclude that FILIPINAS are just in it for the green card just cause 8 of them did it
you just can't jump to conclusions. you have no proof that all of the FILIPINAS are that.
and that is what we are trying to say
we are not telling you love a filipina, no. were not telling you to marry one or whatever. we dont care if u hate filipinas, for all u know they hate u too. :)
but again youre not stating facts. you have no proof that every single filipina is a prostitute and a gold digger.
but please tell me if you do. then maybe ill listen to your whines ahahhahaha.
@Proudfilipina:
Please don't use all your religious retoric to try to defend the evil done by SOME Filipina scammers!!!! Twisting Holy words only changes the truth into lies. I might add that "pride" goes BEFORE a fall so speak in the fear of God. When a person points their finger at another, they have 3 fingers pointing back at themselves. Being so defensive makes it impossible for you to hear what others are saying here. YOu have completely missed the point of this thread. There is truth in these posts and you only harm your country by not HUMBLY listening, being teachable, and admitting the truth spoken here by others: many filipinas are scamming western men---not all filipana but many do. I am surprised that you show such hardness of heart for those of us women and children who have been harmed by a scammer filipina. Do we forgive? Yes, we must. But do we trust others? Not really until they first prove they have good character.
Also please don't say how the marriage rate is so terrible in 1st class countries. Your country is no better. You don't HAVE divorce laws so there is NO divorce in your country. However, I have read blogs of people who just leave their spouse for another and never bother to get annulment. They live as serial adulterers. How does that make Filipinos more righteous?
Your put downs to Tally are tiresome and unimpressive to me.
@Purple:
No one is saying ALL filipinas are scammers or gold diggers. PLEASE GET THIS---NO ONE SAYS ALL FILIPINAS!!! But because our American Govt. knows it is a FACT that this has happened to many American men, they are more cautious to issue a fiance visa without proof of a genuine relationship. Still some are so deceitful, that they can still scam our govt. and get in the US anyway. You make it sound like these scams are hardly ever happening. If you keep reading, every few days you will see another new person posting who has been scammed. It is not infrequently happening---it is happening a lot and our govt.'s increased screening for visas shows it is true. All laws and new govt. policies are created to address specific problems and help people live civilly towards one another.
@nancy
no those guys, are clearly saying that all filipinas are.
Not all, but most...
Hey Nancy our Gov't knows that there are lots of marriage scams happening not necessarily with A Filipino woman.
Tan most of the filipino women you have encountered and not most of the entire nation.
And Nancy, you mean another new name not necessarily another person. I believe this channel is for some people who are desperate and can't do anything to deal about their problem..
For example Tally has been whining about Filipinos destroying her so called paradise, damn this is not the proper channel so it's obvious that she's just here to piss off Filipino posters and keep this Thread alive. Good strategy I might say.
And Nancy, you should not hate the woman more than the man who almost destroyed you but then again i believe you are better off with that ass and that's all that matter. Since i was 12 I am working already to help our family survived plus the fact that me and my 2 sisters had to take turns taking care of our youngest which was still a baby, and mom works in the morning and had to finish a degree that time. My father left and moved to another state very far from us. Never did i hear my mom whine about money we should get from dad and put the blame on the woman which an American too because dad left us and without any support. And by the way mom is very religious.
@Matemyaz:
If you say that, then this is also "note the propert channel" to talk about Vietnam and China, either...
Oh what a day of endless online tantrums. Who really is the empty vessel on this board these past 24 hours? Rather than cry poor, why not examine the reasons for being poor? Is it the selfish, irresponsible and individualistic “devil may care” approach to life? Or the blatant disrespect for the law and disregard for societal principles that impact the whole? Or, is it the perpetual escapism from accountability? This is the type of destructive mentality that @tally and the rest of us are standing against, so our countries don’t wind up like PH. Yet, the real empty vessel here dared preach that to @tally? Ignorance + Insolence sure is a fine recipe for self-ridicule.
Too many times we have seen how a filipina argues along the lines of there being others just as bad, there being bad people in other countries too. Hey says who that equates a licence to add to another country's problems? In 7 words, @tally said it all: DON'T BRING YOUR SHIT TO MY COUNTRY. What's so hard to understand.
Even a stray dog knows how to make itself scarce when shooed off doing its business on someone’s property. And what the heck has Hoa Hao got to do with warning foreign men about marrying Filipinas from the Philippines? Hokum is, well…just that.
“European can't live their everyday lives without the help of Filipinos who serves them.” Really? Nobody is indispensable. Secretaries have been replaced with PDAs. Just one example. Real strength comes only from standing on one's own feet. Dependence on external support will only lead to instability and impending doom.
What does it matter whether it is “no not all” or “many” or “most”? In their self-absorbed narcissism, filipinas like to believe foreign men fall at their feet for their “beauty”. If that’s for real, what’s with the stupendous efforts in marketing themselves to foreign men at every conceivable opportunity imaginable?
The mounting impressions of foreigners and expats in PH about filipinas are indicated on other boards by men as follows:
“Saying that a Filipina is dumb and immature is nothing extraordinary, since over 90 percent of Filipinas are like that.”
“I have lived in PI for many years. EVERY expat I know who has lived in the PI for several years all agree that they are dumb, immature, primitive, cannot think long term, cannot think, etc. etc.”
“I have an expat friend in Palawan, who has a super high IQ and is a genius, and even though the Filipinas he meets there are nicer and more wholesome than in Angeles, even he still says not to trust Filipinas and that they are extremely immature. It's a no brainer. Every foreigner here agrees with it.”
“My experiences and encounters with many Filipino-American and FOB Filipinas are as follows: They are very shallow and vain, all they talk about are celebrities and watch soap dramas, they are heavily influenced by peers and family, they lack any real depth to them, they're vicious go-getters, their two-faced personality - nice/friendly to you only when they want something, but turn ugly and sour when you don't give them what they want. Fake politeness can only go so far until the real character underneath all the superficiality emerges.”
The above comments were posted by men who have been intimately involved with filipinas for prolonged periods of time.
It is best for the people of PH to own up to the facts, clean up their act, build a nation the world can respect.
"No, not all", "many" or "most" all inevitably lead to the same statistical conclusion: don't trust a filipina...
An autistic can have a high IQ too.
Objectivelyspeaking you are dumb for me. Do you know what Arabs think of China and Chinese? How about some Americans?
Tan I dunno about Australia but here's a thing. I have a friend there and he said sad to say that there are lots of uneducated filipina women who happens to be just married to an Aussie. So there i won't argue with your not all,many or most Hypothesis. But still your knowledge with filipinos are still limited to those women and not the entire nation.
Tally, you are educated right? Try to search internet etiquette.
You desperate lawyer from Vietnam and your friends objectively from China, and who?? that funny Bahamian are stereotyping the Filipinas and lambasting our country, so we don't care if we also talk about your holy country here. You are giving us reason to do it. Why Tan you cannot accept the dirt of your country Vietnam that's why you run away to Australia. You are working as a desperate lawyer for the Aussies, why don't you work for the victims of the evil mafias on your country Vietnam? wow what a bastard!!
@Matemyaz it is the proper channel i got so many people who didn't know what those women was doing, after i came on here it open many positive respond, we had form a group and things is really working well thanks to the person or persons who created this thank you so much, so many men in my country realize they was been taking for a ride for papers so it working for my country, how the table turn and i got even the immigration personal involve
it seems to me they where program to do things because they cannot think out the box for themselves, they call ever last person dumb who will stand up to them and fight, so strange and they all like that nasty bunch.
if you people are so educated why selling your body to try get men to marry?
Then good for you, now that you have a group, your government is involved and you know how media can make it all happen, the soon your goal will be achieved. If I will show this link to my government, probably i will just get a laugh. We base the facts on real people, real names and cases filed. And when attracted by the media, sure it will spread like fire.
Matemyaz Matemyaz GO CLEAN YOUR HOUSE.
my country my people i choose to do what is right so talk all you want it don't matter to me go fight for your country and stop trying to fight over mines ass, why people from PH SO gullible
having lived in the Philippines for 7 years don't get me wrong,,,but you will be truly loved by a pinay here but for your money only.
Its the land of the great pretenders.
@Kane:
This thread has a lot of filipino pretenders as well.
"Not all", "but I'm different", "don't stereotype", "you're racist"...
pinays stop trying to play nice when you know the motives to scam men or who ever you can.
Tally Tally did i offend you? You are picking up a fight.. From a minute I though you are genuinely fighting for your country but now it seems you are one hell of a Crap. Just keeping this thread alive. Loudmouth
The number one pretender here is you tansfromhell hahahaha funny old ugly woman, pweeeeeeee, your a real gook lolz
@Carmela Bhakta is from the PH SHE WROTE THIS.I never felt the same agony since I totally agree with everything listed. Philippines need change.. and unless the people and the government stays blind about what’s happening, keeps convincing ourselves that Phils is still a great country, and denies about what other people sees, then we are hopeless. We need to accept that the negative remarks we get is just enough to make us think about what we need to do to change what is happening to our country.
@Carmela Bhakta wrote this.I never felt the same agony since I totally agree with everything listed. Philippines need change.. and unless the people and the government stays blind about what’s happening, keeps convincing ourselves that Phils is still a great country, and denies about what other people sees, then we are hopeless. We need to accept that the negative remarks we get is just enough to make us think about what we need to do to change what is happening to our country.
@Matemyaz - I am not just dumb to you. I am also an arrogant bitch and a chink, remember?
And what's your point on autism and IQ? An autistic person can have normal to high IQ, but it doesn't mean a high IQ person is autistic. And why am I explaining this to you? Oh yeah now I remember...you are @Matemyaz, that's why.
women from PH will friend you as long as you can do something for them.
@HUH? - Let's cut this crap about who's friends with whom on this board, and focus on the topic at hand: Be very CAREFUL when marrying a Filipina from the Philippines.
@Matemyaz This why am fighting for my country before it become like how you people have yours.
You are stillan arrogant bitch and a chink to me and additional to that you are a dumb chink and read my comment again dumb chink. An autistic can have a high IQ too. And why i have to repeat that again? Oh yeah you are a dumb chink.
Is that so Tally? Well then I will just remind myself to be rude to any Bahamian living here. Oh i take that back because not all Bahamians are like you. That's how a human being thinks Tally.
Still looking for excuses to pick fights with your gooks huh @Matemyaz? You can try talking in circles, but I am dumb, arrogant and chinky enough to know exactly where you are trying to take this.
Everyone has a reason for landing on this board. What's yours?
YOU ALWAYS MISSING THE POINT,WOW WHY AM I REALLY WASTING MY TIME WITH SOMETHING LIKE YOU.
His real agenda here has nothing to do the topic of our discussion. He hates all non-whites yet wants to mix himself up with us on this board. Goodness knows what he does to himself each time after he makes a post here.
yes my country women and men feel the same away they don't like people who always looking to milk us for the wrong reason
Milking foreigners for the wrong reason is what PH people are adapt at doing, from so many reports we have seen from multiple sources.
@Tally/TAnfromaustralia and other haters out there.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I can't help but laugh till my head hurt! really.
How old are these guys? 5?10?15? oh my goodness. Shame on you.
And Tally, I notice you love the capslock key. Haha.
HEy anyone, filipinos out there, I wanna say im proud to be a filipino. We have MAnny PAcquiao, we have Jessica Sanchez! who won 2nd place for American Idol! ISnt it great?
How about you Tally? Tanfromaustarlia? what are your talents? Oh i know. To bad mouth filipinos. Yeah, thats your talents. Haha. So ignorant and pathetic LOSERS!!!!!
I have also one ahter who commented on my blog.
So pathetci.
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looking at the whole picture , women from PH who married Bahamian never seen in public together, they always cursing their husband call them fools in their language telling their friend they don't like them and their families , i hear them all the time , they make fun of our people and smiles , this the reason i can speak out and fighting to send them home they mean these men no good
those stuff i hear them women speaking about would turn your belly they don't want them men only using them for papers and poor fool them marry them and cant speak their language, call them black and ugly all kinda nasty thing.men am so sorry for you all pretty face and no morals it all you get and left broke.
they would do anything just for that papers how can women stoop so low,risk their life , they dont even know who they getting married to,like wise the men.then you people telling about well educated and bla bla, stray dogs have batter morals them you people.
if you run a stray dog it the last time you will ever see that dog but these people have no morals if you allow them they will put you out your house and move all their friends in. i can tell you things i hear coming out those people mouth to the point i had to confront them, remember they never speak English when their friends around and poor husband there laughing like ass don't even know they trying to cut his neck.
Oh Goodness Tally.
it's not just filipinos who are like that. I see you really hate us. Im sorry you felt that way. I guess its time for you to be open minded about a lot of things.
But all I can say is, Filipinos are very talented, very nice and very hospitable. Filipinos are sweet, caring, loving and thoughtful. We are very patient as well. That's why my american friends loves me so much. Im a loyal friend to them. In fact, one frined of mine begged her mommy and daddy to let her stay in the Philippines because she just loves our country and teh people!
Before saying bad comments about us and about our country, try to visit the Philippines.
It's more fun in the Philippines!
Shopping, nice beaches, summerhouses, food, cheap shopping at Greenhills!, Boracay, Flea markets, etc. You can live here without a hassle. And even if youre bad mouthing our country and our people, we would still welcome you with open arms. Thats how we are filipinos.
Good luck to your hate of filipinos. I hope you already get the satisfaction of it.
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when will you people learn what the board is about, it about you people so shut the hell up if you dont want to see it leave ass
This wasn't written by me:My friend married to 2 Filipino women. The first one stole his money and he divorced her. In the process, she ruined his credit and he worked hard to support her. She was a bartender who didn't make much money at the local bar. This is the guy who were in the early 20 at the time his first marriage. So he thought there are some bad people out there no matter their back ground are . He thought he shouldn't judge all Filipino the same.
when he was in CA in the mid 90" he met a woman at the gas station working as a clerk. She is Filipino and told him she has a cousin who lives in the Philippines would like to marry an American. He took the phone number and started contact her. This woman already had a child from her other relationship. He started working 2-3 jobs from McDonald to being a firefighter to send money oversea to support her and her child. Meanwhile she was still fooling around and he even bought birth control pills and sent over there so she won't get pregnant. He borrowed his parents 10k to bring her and her child over. When they got to the states, he continued working 2-3 jobs from washing car at the car rental to fast food to support this woman and her child. Since he was also in the Navy at that time, he was able to get a mortgage loan without down payment. After a year living in the states, she got pregnant. Now, he has to support a family of 4 with a small salary. He finally went oversea as a contractor so he can make more money. Meanwhile she started having an affair with another Filipino woman and had sex in his own bed. He gave her power of attorney since he worked in Iraq, he didn't know what would happen to him at any moment. The pay check direct deposit 10k a month but they were always short of funds. Later he found out she went to casino, taking trips, buying luxury hand bags for herself and her daughter now growing up.She took the money (20K)and loaned to her cousin, yes the same woman who introduced them but she never paid back . He also bought them new car, sent $ to the Phil. While he was away, she abused the power of attorney and got an equity line of credit and spent all of the money. She didn't make the payments on the loan and screwed his credit big time. He gave her everything. She didn't have to work. Grant it, this guy is not smart at all but has a good heart. when he came back from Iraq, he filed for divorce and had to leave again. On his R&R, he came home and the house was empty. She took everything. Since they lived in CA, the law is on the woman's side and she knows it. How did she know you may ask?. because the Filipino community teaching their women of how to rip American men off. She said she is entitled for all of his earnings and the stuff in the house because she married him. Here she is a lesbian without any intention to ever marry a man is entitled for everything he earned. she kept suing him for more child support. Her daughter, the one he raised and sent to college, paid for her room and board, bought her a new car and every weekend she came home from college, he washed the car for her now in court made up lies about him and testify against him. He also bought a half of a million dollars life insurance and their names was on it. Every Filipino woman who married an American man all have life insurance. What a coincidence. I think not.
While she was in court demanding more money (after ripping him off) all of the sudden, she has to have an interpreter because she doesn't understand English. First, that was the daughter he raised, the second time that was her other lesbian friend. She had no problem signing the loan without any helps, now she's playing a victim who was treated so unfair by American husband and Ca law is so dumb to see this crook takes advantage of the system. On top of that, every email she sent him. It was always talking about God. How hypocrite is that ? This is one of a thousand American men who's married to Filipino women. If you watch CBS, there was a 48hrs reported that they even invited these men to their country and killed them over there so they can collect the life insurance. This is a true story. My friend is still paying for his mistake. His mistake was trusting people, caring for them and supporting them. At 46, he has to start his life all over again. How can someone can be so evil and walks around and nothing happened to them? I believe in karma. You can't just cheat, steal and lies and talk about God in the same sentence. Anyone who is thinking of marrying a Filipino woman, you have to think again because you will get ripped off and lie too. Now my friend wants to die because he couldn't take it anymore. By the way, the money supposedly paying back his parents never paid. He told her when he was oversea to pay back the loan to his parent- the loan that used to bring her and her daughter to this country never paid. Now he's no longer making the money he used to make, she
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I am half Filipina. My mother is from the Philippines and was naturalized an American citizen. She came to the United States on a visa of her own. She wasn't looking for a husband for a green card. That being said though there are women who seek husbands to make it to a Western country. My mother and her family have contempt for those women. There are some men who do it, too.
@Cheryl Azarraga:
That was me that posted on your blog about the damage done to me and my children (present and LONG TERM damage)by a greedy, selfish Filipina woman. I am curious why your response to my comment on your blog was somewhat nice, but this is the comment you wrote on THIS site about it: Quoting you: "I have also one ahter (must be HATER) who commented on my blog." Just makes me wonder if you are really trying to "look good" on your blog so you are careful what you say there---but not so on this site.
Also I did look at your photos and read some of your stuff. I have looked at a lot of FB sites of other Phlip chics, too, and they are similar to you---taking tons of photos of themselves in seductive poses and skimpy clothing---you carefully pulled your shirt sleeve down to expose your shoulder in a rather prevocative poses. YOu talk about loving to shop even if you can't afford it. It made me wonder if YOU were looking to pick up some hot guy online, but then it looked like the photographer was your husband. Don't really trust you seeing that you are different on your personal blog than you are here. RED FLAG. I thought this thread is about chics that act like this. I don't put much credence in your comments because you are one person on your blog and seem to be a different person here.
Personally I am here to learn from the experiences of others to help me do some healing from the damage my kids and I are going through---things that put us near poverty level in the US while she is rich!!! There is no justice in this!!! I am moving on in life but healing takes time. Accepting that some Phlip chic essentially robbed my family is a difficult thing to accept---EVER!!! Yes, much of this thread is about robbery!!!
I hate the name calling that greatly distracts from this thread but I do very much appreciate the honest comments of people who want to dialog to help others with this PROBLEM.
they not only teach them how to rip american but each and every country they goes this why i expose them here in my country
The stories described by @TanfromAustralia in his law practice and others on this board, the British men on the NatGeo Scott/Delfino board, the cases on the Angeles private detective site introduced by @rastadave much further up this board are so starkly similar to the one just posted by @tally above. Who would have thought it has been happening in the Bahamas too - a world-renowned tourist paradise.
A bigger picture is starting to emerge. It looks as though these filipinas were all schooled at the same source that taught them the same tricks and modus operandi how to rip foreigners of their assets. I was just told that even the OFW maids that were fired by the first employer for shifty behaviour are taught at the PH embassy in the host country how to lie to the next employer to gain employment and avoid repatriation. Honestly, what kind of evil is really coming out from PH, tearing up the whole world. So stop splashing us with sh!tty deflections. We are seeing ever more clearly through you all now.
Very observant of you @Nancy. You just nailed one right smack in her two-faces. Good for you! It is time we stop allowing ourselves to be taken for fools. My family member and her children who were hurt so many years ago still have to live something they can never erase. This is why I had said so many times the damage is permanent and irreversible. I hope that you will move upward and onward for the new and better tidings awaiting you in the future. So that the damage by the shameless people of PH will not leave a permanent scar in your life. That will be the only way to triumph over this.
we not talking who never do what we see what you people doing
you invite me where, i don't eat or sleep in nasty places
Apprehended Violence Order
Often used by Pinays seeking to get rid of the husband while retaining possession of the family home. Need to explain how it works. This is something every western guy should now before finding out the hard way.
While still living with husband or immediately after moving out, she files a complaint with local police about domestic violence. Police takes a statement and files it with the local court. Sometimes the husband is served by summons, other times not. If husband is served he will often not defend it believing it won't succeed or simply too busy with work.
Even if defended an order will be made anyway (against the husband) UNLESS you or your lawyer attends and request the order to apply to both parties, and will usually be granted.
1. If the order is against the husband and the residence of the wife is shown as the family home: Cops will come and evict the husband. This is the wife's INTENTION.
2. If the order applies to both parties: If the husband is in the house he gets to stay, and the wife cannot come back to take whatever is hers and whatever she wants to steal (usually comes with BF while husband at work). If both are in the house, the person in who's name the house is in, stays.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Yes, I am moving on and am so thankful my ex left---I gladly regift him to this selfish phlip chic. What goes around WILL come back to him.
Since my ex illegally signed me out of his pension as the survivor spouse, then I believe he gave the PH chic his $50,000 retirement savings thinking he could withhold that money from me so I would not get compensated for his ripping me off. Thanks to a very smart CPA's idea, the judge forced ex to get a $200,000 life insurance policy and I am the owner (so he can't take me off as beneficiary) and he has to pay this monthly until he dies. If I die first, then my kids will be the beneficiaries so we actually got a better deal (he screwed up and I got a better deal thanks to God watching out for us.
Like Tally, I will do all I can to protect others from evil that these scammer women do. I don't say it is all of them----some I believe have good character, but many do NOT.
@ NAncy
Oh wow.
Now you already judged me based on my response to your comment in my blog and you judged me based on my pictures!!1hahahaha
I am not being nice or rude or anything for that matter. I am just stating a fact. You are all haters here. And im just speaking on behalf of filipinas because really, you are all shallow minded when it comes to people and culture. AGAIN, Do not GENERALIZE!
I understand most of you here had bad experiences about filipinas.But you dont have the right to judge.
And you judged my photos, how did you know im provoking someone? how did you know im seducing or whatever you call it?
I have a husband, 2 kids and I post pictures because i am a fashion blogger and stylist. i blog mostly about clothes. i dont go online to look for guys because i am married!! And you dont even know me. Its just so funny how you reacted about my comments here and my response on my blog.
And mind you, i dont wear skimpy clothes, You call that skimpy?
TSK TSK
By all due respect, I just dont know why you americans have this big hate for filipinas? especially american women? maybe because your husbands divorced them and replaced them for a filipina?
I really dont know. But if we are all that bad, why do you americans keep on coming back here in the philippines?
This thread is like WWII Its just so funny
Nancy, you are free to comment on my blog and i can post it if you want.
and to some of you here, you can feel free to comment on my blog if you like, and i will answer it. feel free to browse my pictures and tell me if my outfits are provocative and skimpy. If taht is your idea of a skimpy outfit.
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THERE A STORY ABOUT THE PH CHIC WHO IS HIV POSITIVE , SHE WENT TO THE DOC AND THEY TOLD HER SHE WONDERING WHAT THEY TALKING ABOUT, SHE WAS CLUELESS ABOUT AIDS MAN I ALMOST DIE WITH LAUGHTER NOT BECAUSE SHE HIV BECAUSE SHE SO CLUELESS LIKE THE REST OF THEM
@ Nancy, OMG! i can't believe you did stalk Cheryl! LOL! you judged her character based solely on her pictures and clothing she wears! that's very tacky and pathetic!!! hahahaha! i'm not surprised now why your husband left you! there's something wrong with you girl!!
Hey, Cheryl my advise to you please delete blog address here...people who hate filipinos here are very dangerous. they can't seem to move on as they hate their life so much so they're blaming others.
It takes a person of questionable character to post slutty pictures of themselves on the Internet for the world to see...
BEEN POOR IS NOT A CRIME. WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE JUST WORK HONEST AND MAKE A LIVING FOR GOD SAKE WHAT WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
Thanks for your last post @quoter. We should all gather info from relevant resources and share them here.
@Nancy I am so glad to hear you will be proactive in protecting others from being scammed and robbed. Some time ago, I came across a link to a women's group in the US tracking pinay wives who entered the US on fiancee visas. It seems the percentage of fraud and failure is very high according to the findings of this group. I will find that link and post it here. You may find it useful in the next steps you will be taking. Good job on the part of your CPA. This is something every victim wife can learn from. We mustn't accept a bad turn hands down and let the culprits get away scot-free.
@nancy I guess you are somewhat uhmmm same age as my mom. And yes at the age of 63 she finds women nowadays very different that includes working for her, always gossiping and always cursing those women by the way have green eyes.
But of course this is your theraphy so you have rhe right to continue hating Filipinos until you come to your senses.
@Cheryl none of these haters are American. A bahamian, A vietnamese and a Chinese.
The hub is intented to warn foreigners especially Americans. But you see Americans are aware of these things. Every race here has their share of bad eggs.
@Matemyaz:
The only "haters" are a bahamian, Vietnamese and a Chinese?
You must have been selectively reading this thread...as well as the entire internet.
I don't think you are stupid or delusional or ignorant. I just think you're dishonest and immature and hypocritical.
Just wanna say hi to the 3 Saints here!!
Saint Tan from the holy land Vietnam
Saint Objectively from the holy land China
Saint Tally from the holy land Bahamas
I agreed with @matemyaz, and it's really really funny as in hahahah that these three saints are not even the American victims of those scammers, yes many Americans shared their bad experience here about Filipinas but unlike the 3 of you, you already dedicated your life, posting hates in this hub hahahah pathetic.. O come on, you Asians just experience the life outside your country and now your acting as if you are a westerners.. eeewww to you!!
This is a group of scammers from butuan city, several members.
rangen2005@yahoo.com
baby_girl_2012@yahoo.com
jen0648@yahoo.com
pricious.moment@yahoo.com
lovingladyjane21@yahoo.com
girl025@rocketmail.com
girly25f00@yahoo.com
perfect12right@yahoo.com
shally_yu2000@yahoo.com
as far as i can tell its a family or group of friends who share emails and steal/beg from men. all of these emails have been reported to the proper authorities, as well as the individuals associated with them, good tip is do not send money to any women you met online, especially ones from the philippines, certainly some families there are poor, however there are many women who do this for a living in the philippines, it is acceptable there, they may say they have not eaten in days, but then how did they afford renting computer time at 30 peso's per hour, begging/stealing/scamming is their job, a true honest lady down on her luck will have a very hard time asking for or even accepting help. they will tell u mom had a stroke, my sister died, my baby is sick, whatever it takes, then that night they will go get drunk with their boyfriends. They dont love you, they might need you, but they will leave you when a better opportunity arises. good luck guys. and to those who scam, yawa ka. maaaring ang mga apoy ng impyerno dilaan sa iyong mga paa para sa kawalang-hanggan. Telling a man you love him, to get his money is as pure as evil gets ladies.
Quoted from other sources
"i HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING A FILIPINO AND HER SON FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS 2 WEEES AGO i SENT HER MONEY FOR HER PASSPORT AND VISA TO COME TO USA (2500 US DOLLARS) TO THIS DATE i HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER NAME IS SAIRYL AUNGON AKA LADYTANYA789@YAHOO.COM FROM ROXAS PALAWAN I ALSO SENT HER THROUGH COLLEGE TO FIND OUT SHE PLAYING ME AMERICAN FOOL I SHOULD OF LISTEN TO YOU GUYS BEFORE THIS HAPPENED."
to be honest he one stupid man, how can someone send their hard working money to someone he never see or know.
I DON'T CARE WHO HATE US FOR THE TRUTH,JUST DON'T BRING YOUR NASTY CON ARTIST ASS IN MY COUNTRY PERIOD.I CANT SIT BACK WATCH YOU PEOPLE DO EVIL AND THINK IT AWAY OF LIFE FOR EVERYONE, YOU PEOPLE SELL YOUR CHILDREN SO IF YOU PEOPLE DOING THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO
RIGHT NOW 7000 YOUNG CHILDREN BEEN SOLD FOR SEX SLAVE IN PH BY THE PARENT, WHY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIVE THE LIFE OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS,COME ON PEOPLE AND YOU ALL TELLING ABOUT LOVE YOU MEAN THE LOVE OF MONEY.BEEN POOR IT NOT A CRIME USED THE LAND TO SUPPORT YOURSELF.THEN YOU PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING THAT SHIT TO MY COUNTRY NEVER.
@objectivelyspeaking, THANK YOU PLEASE POST THE LINK, let stand for what is right for our country.
nancy, you can take this to your mayor and petition it so they can pass a law for it.
@HUH:
You should stop comparing your sh!thole country to the rest of Asia.
The Philippines is an embarrassment to the rest of Asia.
The fact that prostitutes exist in other countries does not mean that the streak of sh!t appears less prominent on the Filipino flag.
Even if I still lived in Vietnam, I wouldn't prostitute my daughter the way your father probably prostituted you. I would rather eat dirt if I had to.
I am not experiencing life as a Westerner, but you are a filipina whore still stuck in the Philippines who has delusions that she is living the Western lifestyle...keep on dreaming.
Oh wow I think the kind of sh!t like you is the most embarrassment to the rest of Asia, so you better hide your sh!!ty face in Australia.
And if I am your daughter, I will be very disappointed and feel humiliated having a desperate father like you, almost spending his whole life to this hub to hate others as if he is living a righteous life.
And I'm sorry?? Why would I dream of living in Western countries? I'm not like you hahaha.. I could just visit other countries if I want. My family and I use to travel 3 times a year to different countries. We can travel whenever or wherever we want. And I will not suggest to my parents to go to your country Vietnam if we can only meet there is your kind and evil mafias there are everywhere, scarrryyy..
And the most funny thing here is.. you have no idea how young I am to argue with me. This hub is really entertaining, I cant believe a lawyer arguing with teenager hahahah, you are degrading yourself.. Funny and desperate lawyer.. Sir please get a life!
@HUH what is your purpose on this board?
as a teenager, your parent is not doing a very good job, do they send you her to sell you? sorry we don't purchase children we save them from the pimps and hoes.
@mxoxo. Thanks for defending me. I guess this thread is never gonna end. Evreyone is already fighting.
I just hope some realize what you've been saying about filipinos. And @Tanfromaustralia. Philippines is not an embarrassment to Asia. You know why? We have a lot of talented people here and even gets recognized and known all over the world! Fashion designers, cartoonist, boxers, singers, etc. Why? Because we're hardworking. We know how to treat a person with respect. Even if you come from a different nation. And I guess some people here just got a wrong perception. And Let me tell you, filipinos are well educated! @ Tally, watch your vocabulary. And try learning english. You need to go back to school my dear.
All I can say is, I'm proud to be a filipino!
These are enough reasons why.
1.Philippines cited as best in bussiness english! and were top 1!
http://manilastandardtoday.com/2012/04/26/ph-cited
2. Jessica Sanchez, who's mother is a filipino, won 2nd Place of American Idol!
3. Manny Pacquiao, worlds best boxer!
4. We Brandon Vera, a UFC MMA fighter!
5. We have the Azkals!Who were tagged as one of the best Football Team
Actually, the list are endless.But you get the point.
So, be smart. Act smart. Nothing will happen if all of you will just post bad comments here, you can't wipe out Filipinos. You cant vanish them. Even if you create a UNION or even if you go on holding signboards you will just look patethic!
To all of you. Have a great day and lets just be positive and be happy and smile.
Happy Weekend!!!
???????? -to all chinese out there
hanno un grande fine settimana -to all italians out there
haben ein tolles Wochenende-German
avoir un grand week-end-French
h?nh phúc cu?i tu?n-in vietnamese
Etcetera...
ph people fail their country and their children big time and want to come to my country trying to sell their children sorry we don't do that kinda of business, your ass will get lock up
mother's selling their daughters, father's selling their son's for a better life, what nasty low life thing that is.and you people trying to bring that shit to my paradise NEVER
if Bahamians are all like you tally, I won't go there anymore. I'll cross your country off my destination/ tour list. Sorry but a country full of racist and discriminatory people won't get any of my travel and leisure money...don't ever think for a second that you are helping your country by posting nasty things here about a certain race, NOPE! you are an embarrassment!
@Huh? - Let me be the second person so far to ask why a young filipina like you would be interested in 1) A hub about filipinas marrying American men and 2) A website like stickmanbangkok?
Since it appears you have not been taught at home and in school, here's something for your learning pleasure: It does not take a saint to care for the common good, to step up and speak out for others who have been wronged, to the initiative on civic mindedness and social justice. This is how common citizens in the good countries outside the Philippines live life.
Next question: What have you done lately to consider the fate and future of the poor in your country?
@Mxoxo we dont need no more scam artist here.
i write things that i know is true,all the women who here from your country only marry here for two reasons papers and money and the man who they marry only have few years left to live.Even if they have kids it not the man own it belong to someone else, this is fact.
remember i speak your language, i hear many conversations.all i say poor men
Makes me think that Bahamians are all like you tall... stupid and racist. Your country's population is mostly black! For a black to be racist is pure hypocrisy. I thought black people know what it's like to be discriminated against but i was wrong! OMG! LOL! and yes i'm generalizing! What is something well-known for The Bahamas? beaches? Oh please, lots of Asian countries have awesome beaches than what you guys have! Give me a break! Without your beaches your country got nothing! so much for being arrogant, eh?
LOL! so you automatically assume that I'm from the Philippines? because i'm defending Filipinos? hahaha. I'm a Canuck you fucktard. And yes my country is richer than your country so shut the fuck up!
@Moxox:
Who gives a sh!t about your country? We are talking about the Philippines...
According to the United Nations Children's Fund (Unicef)an estimated 60,000 to 100,000 children in the Philippines are involved in prostitution rings.you people need to fix it and stop trying bring that here.
and who gives a sh!t about the Philippines? oh you! LOL! hahahaha. poor fucktards. go ahead talk about it. but i want to talk about the Bahamas fool. you gotta a problem with that fuckface?
(I FOUND THIS ARTICLE)A girl child in the Philippines is discriminated upon early in life due to culture-based and family reinforced gender biases. For instance, despite her special nutritional needs in preparation as future mother and nurturer, the girl child is allotted less food than her father and her brothers. When money for education is scarce, her brothers are given the preference.NO WONDER.
I so wish there was a moderater on this site to kept posts clean and without name calling. It doesn't accomplish anything but more anger and less listening. Then the situations can not even be addressed anymore.
What's the problem of the haters here?
tally...in 149 countries worldwide with HIV/ AIDS infection...your country Bahamas is currently ranked at number 30. That means 17 per 1000 people have HIV/AIDS living in your country and blacks are mostly the carrier. Philippines is currently ranked at 143... 0.11 per 1000 people have HIV/ AIDS in the Philippines. You know what that means? It's almost like non- existent! So why blame the Philippines? dumbass monkey!
@Nancy - They are resorting to name-calling precisely in the hope that this issue cannot be addressed anymore. Name-calling started about 6 months ago. Our tenacity is what's brought the discussion to this stage. More American men (and also menfrom other first world countries targeted for fiancee scams) are coming on board to contribute useful information, joining in the discussion. Let them call names. The more they call, the more they use crude, foul and offensive diction, the better the world can see what these people really are. Their online antics have come to a point where one can tell where their roots really are no matter where they claim they are today.
@ objectivelyspeaking: so now i know you aren't very western. Name calling? are you freaking kidding me? It's very obvious you didn't grow very western then... Why are you bitching about it? and now you're coming clean about this "name calling" thing? Like you didn't do it? Dude, you've called the people of a certain a nation lots of names...makes me think where your roots really are, not very western man.
@ tally: because of your racist and discriminatory comments here...you aren't helping your country to attract tourists...you are scaring the people away instead! I for one wouldn't want to visit Bahamas anymore! I'll tell my friends not to visit as well. such backwards and ignorant people! plus your country's HIV/ AIDS case is one of the worst! Yuck!
@ Mxoxo
Take note of the "however"
http://www.avert.org/aids-asia.htm#contentTable4
The Philippines
An estimated 8,700 people were living with HIV in The Philippines in 2009.59 The country has traditionally had a very low HIV prevalence, with under 0.1% of the population infected. Even in groups such as sex workers and MSM that are typically associated with higher levels of HIV, prevalence rates above 1% have not yet been detected.60 In the case of sex workers, this is possibly due to efforts to screen and treat those selling sex since the early 1990s. However, there are reasons to believe that this situation may not last. In early 2010 the Department of Health in the Philippines stated the country was now on the brink of a "concentrated epidemic", due to a rise in prevalence.61 Condom use is not the norm in paid sex, drug users commonly share injecting equipment in some areas, and among Filipino youth, there is evidence of complacency about AIDS.62 63 National HIV prevalence among the most at risk populations which includes sex workers, men who have sex with men and injecting drug users, has increased more than five fold from 0.08 % in 2007 to 0.47 % in 2009.64
@ quoter:
Dude the link below is the latest 2011 survey. Just check wiki as it's more reliable and you'll see... Philippines has 0.10% and Bahamas has 3.00% on HIV/AIDS infection. Oh please, you know very well that Africa and the Caribbean countries have the highest percentage of people with HIV/ AIDS...It's a known fact!
The Philippines have 98 million people to date and out of that 98 million only 8,300 people are with HIV/AIDS... The Bahamas? Bahamas' population is only at 313 thousand but out of that 313 thousand 6,200 people are with HIV/AIDS and that's a pretty high number of people infected considering that their population is pretty small...
@Mxoxo - I have identified my gender and ethnicity a long time ago on this board. Have never pretended to be western. I have never called out anyone just to call anyone names. Calling people what they are is not name-calling.
On the subject of HIV, I have read an online article that just because the official percentage is low, it does not mean the real number is, because those infected are not tested, therefore not reported. The ominous indicator is that the most recently reported cases have centred around call-centre workers who work for international companies where physical checks are required by the employer, and because they have health benefits that cover the cost of such tests.
Common sense should tell us that the official data on HIV in PH is questionable given its status as Asia's #1 sex tourism destination and exporter of prostitutes to the rest of the world.
This is what makes the situation even more dangerous because coitus is largely unprotected on the filipinas' insistence in their bid to get themselves impregnated by foreign men.
@Mxoxo you know nothing about your country, the bottom line is stay out of my mines with all the crap, go see how you can save some of them children. instead if coming here talking shit about something you so clueless about.
HELP CLEAN UP YOUR COUNTRY, DON'T BRING YOUR MESS TO US.I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU PEOPLE TO INVADE MY COUNTRY, I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PEOPLE HIRE THEM AS THEIR MAID BEFORE CHECKING BECAUSE I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR KIDS AND HUSBAND, THEY WILL SELL YOUR KIDS TO THE HIGHEST BID REMEMBER THEY LOVE MONEY AND DON'T CARE HOW THEY GET IT AS LONG AS THEY GET IT.P;EASE PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN.
@Mxoxo. am doing great things in my country to prevent you people from smuggling children to sell to the sex trade worldwide , Cuba band all people from the PH to enter their country because they found out there was a lot of smuggling through Cuba to our country to the USA.also stop the women from marry old men just to gain papers and their properties
people from PH don't see nothing wrong with selling themselves or their children to gain wealth, well i know it wrong and i and others don't want it here so this the reason why am working so hard to prevent it.
@objectivelyspeaking:
Those are very good observations.
@TanfromAustralia – We are ignorant only if we choose to ignore the facts. There is no need for me to elaborate on the universal standards of how samples are used to draw inferences about a whole population.
The call centre HIV scare was sparked by a study conducted by the PGH (Philippine General Hospital) giving free rapid HIV tests to 406 male respondents from November 2009 to January 2010 - what they considered to be the highest risk group comprised of gay men, bisexual men and sex workers. Only 385 disclosed their occupation. To their surprise 130 (or over 25%) were call centre workers, yuppies who have at least 2 years of college education.
Here are excerpts of the articles, news sources originating from PH:
"...few walk in to clinics to have themselves tested. So we were the ones who went out to administer HIV tests to them," explained Dr. Louie Mar Gangcuangco, an internal medicine intern at the PGH.
The study found that 48 or 12% of respondents were carriers of human immuno-deficiency virus (HIV), a virus that destroys a person's immune system.
Over half (26 people or 54%) of those found to be HIV positive were call center agents. However, this number only comprises only a small percentage (6.4%) of the total sample size.
Though HIV-positive call center agents comprise a small group in the study, PGH doctors like Gangcuangco find the numbers ‘alarming.’"
"According to 2009 data by the National Epidemiology Center and the United Nations Development Programme, HIV has spread in the Philippines at the rate of 3 people per day."
"'Vulnerable groups' are OFWs, out-of-school youth, street children who are sometimes forced into prostitution, and MSM communities (which cross-cultural studies said comprise 10% of the Philippine population).
All HIV cases were transmitted through sexual contact, with 36% of cases transmitted through homosexual contact and 89% of cases caused by unprotected sex."
Source: Report from Jay Ruiz, ABS-CBN News
Here's another one from an official Philippine source:
"Teresita Marie Bagasao, Philippines country director for UNAIDS, the U.N. agency for HIV/AIDS, told AlertNet.
Philippines HIV infections 'doubling every year' – UN
In the Philippines, infections are rising partly because of the low coverage and quality of HIV prevention programmes targeted at high-risk groups. They reach less than 40 percent of the most vulnerable populations, and of those groups, only 14 percent have accessed HIV testing and know the results.
Many cities have no HIV/AIDS prevention programmes, Bagasao said. And even in places that do, attitudes and behaviours towards prevention methods, including condom use, remain negative.
Poor knowledge of the risks is pushing infections higher. For example, less than a third of men who have sex with men use condoms, while stigma and discrimination hamper efforts to reach out to them, Bagasao said.
There are also concerns over funding to strengthen prevention programmes at a time when contributions from donors for HIV/AIDS responses are declining across the world.
In the Philippines, only a fifth of annual spending on HIV/AIDS comes from the government. The rest is from external sources, including the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the United Nations and the U.S. government development agency USAID.
In response to rising HIV infections, the government is seeking to amend the Philippine AIDS Prevention and Control Act, which critics say is outdated and conflicts with recent legislation. The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act, for example, stipulates that a condom can be used as evidence of prostitution, which is against the law."
Further to @tally's post on filipinos being banned from entering Cuba, holders of Philippine passports can only visit 25 countries worldwide without a visa, mostly Asian and third world countries in Africa and the Oceania. The Bahamas is not on that list of 25.
for the Bahamas they must have a visa to enter.
correction to that post, we are working on banding them from here.
am also trying to work with others like the USA because they using the Bahamas as their first smuggling stop then take their people to Florida on boat.
@tally's post above proves one point made by @TanfromAustralia - the problem coming out from the Philippines is like a disease that needs to be quarantined. This is what we mean.
We thank you for your initiative and efforts @tally. Please stop at nothing. We will continue to be your voices in support.
There are a lot of one-day privately-operated cruises going between The Bahamas and Miami. That is just one major weak spot. Lots of university students and young people party in Florida all along the coast. Lots of Canadians vacation and own properties in Florida too. Imagine the impending danger. This is why we have to be on full alert and start sounding the alarm bells now.
@objectivelyspeaking i will never stop it took me 5 years to get everything together, where i can go to the minsters of cabinet and say to them here is my proof let start the fire and get these things done before we sorry so far they are working with we on it.
I was talking to a friend out of Barbados this morning and he told me , they too was having a bit of problem with them
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"Frankly, every Tom, Little Diddle, Harry or Bomb (in this case) is proud to be whatever nationality they are. It also does not mean a thing!! If you were born in a Malaysia instead of the Philippines, you would be proud to be Malay! I would rather be an individual who is proud to be a good human being, and have the honesty and decency to point out the pitfalls of being a certain nationality. Gender, race, nationality, religion etc, are things that most of us derive our identity from and a more evolved human being recognizes that as being relatively uncivilized and frankly very clannish or tribal."
@objectivelyspeaking:
I have learnt not to accept anything about the Philippines or it's people at face value. It is always very necessary to look (very) deep below the surface for the truth...
@tally, @quoter, @TanfromAustralia - your last posts are all so true and I completely agree. We are not the aggressors but defenders here. The link to those lurid photos posted by @hmmmm! of what goes on as "normal" on PH's Puerto Galera beaches foretell what can happen in Daytona or Miami Beach if we don't put a clamp on PH's human trafficking into the US through Cuba and the Bahamas. It is the little drips that can collect into a reservoir big enough to swallow us whole.
For many of us posting here, it is not a spur of the moment whim to join the crowd and "yak" about a certain nation. We have been watching this very unimaginable debacle unravel before our eyes for some very long years. 9 years of awareness and 5 years of prep work in tally's case. 6 years of direct professional dealings with filipina marriage/visa scammers in Tan's case. I have Chinese-Filipino friends and extended family members, have them in my employment at intervals over the years, have always looked upon them as neighbours and part of my community. I kept mum after what happened to my church leader, family member, grandma and some of my home-country friends with their maids for more than 20 years. I thought those were temporary things that happen with people that will pass for good. I was wrong. A few months of internet research changed everything. It is hard enough to trust anyone in life and business as it is. Even harder with those who bear the marks of such an open-book bad record.
I agree 100% with the post.I believe,its true that all most marority of filipina women are opportunistics.
They just care about usa dollars and green card nothing else.
Becareful, USA is a big and beautiful nation among the other nations in world. dont spoil usa culture and you can find plenty of true girls at usa itself.
emievil 2 years ago
Uhm, not that I don't agree with what you wrote here but I think these traits are not exclusive to Pinays. Other women from other countries exhibit them as well.